Elven Gods Created the Blight, Solas Reveals Origins - Dragon Age: The Veilguard

[@Costin_Gaming]

Old DA Lore: the Maker created the Blight to punish the world. Solas: Oh you were just dealing with a fraction of it's power, and the Elves created it. Tevinter: So we aren't the bad guys for purging the elves? Orlais/Chantry: Or for destroying the Dales. Solas:......

[@raynortownly7098]

I always wanted this story focus to be just about Solas, trying to break down the vail. You would spend most of the game hunting for leads, for his agents and foiling his plans and then at the end you would find him and confront him. Instead, this is how the game starts and it was all the Elves fault, theyre behind it all, gotta raise the stakes. Instead of delivering on a whole games narrative setup.

[@DavidSantos-ix1hu]

It wasn't really lore just dogma from the chantry we never really knew where it came from except it had to do with the golden city

[@nevermore7285]

Not lore though, that was the official chantry story, which the actual lore did contradict in places. The Chantry added the Maker into the actual story. And the Elven Gods created it, who are also the Tevinter Gods. The Elves were basically always their slaves in the end.

[@nikushim6665]

Everyone involved with the original are long gone, most of them jumped ship when the company started to become vary badly mismanaged in the years leading up the EA buyout. David Gaider who wrote most of the original quit the company back in 2016.

[@DavidSantos-ix1hu]

@@nikushim6665 especially the main writer,mans carried the whole series on his back.

[@fumarc4501]

Elves, both the original cause and eventually part of the solution to all fantasy setting’s problems. Glad people are starting to come around to the Dwarves’ way of thinking.

[@xiriusthesoulwatcher3955]

What do you mean starting?

[@user-ww1gk5ku1w]

So basically the Black City was never the Maker’s home but rather the Blight’s prison

[@AliensEatPeople]

If you're looking for DA lore from this game, you might as well throw poop at the wall. Most of original DA team in Bioware left the studio after Inquisition. This pixar team should stick to kid shows.

[@MrJordwalk]

Which confirms what Corypheus said in Inquisition. The Magisters DIDN'T blacken it, they found it that way.

[@user-ww1gk5ku1w]

@ Yep, and that the throne of the Gods was empty

[@alexloponte7056]

The maker doesn't exist

[@user-ww1gk5ku1w]

@@alexloponte7056 Well yes but one could think that if demons and such are a thing than maybe the Maker is too but now it’s even more obvious that he probably never existed

[@amberkennedy1151]

The delivery in this scene really threw me off. The origin of the darkspawn etc has been this huge mystery since origins with all of these hints and lore trails just for Solas to be like "well now you fucked up my plans, i guess i'll tell you". I had to reload to make sure i had heard what he said right. There is a serious lack of tension building in this game so far, it's like they're just flippantly tying off loose ends

[@stevenceja4706]

I feel like whoever wrote the story decided to look up what fans were speculating at the last minute and just decided to roll with it. Then, they proceeded to explain things in the cheapest and most generic way possible 😑

[@fumarc4501]

It could be argued that the secrecy was intended to protect the modern elves from being blamed for the Blights. But seems that’s the least of their worries now… hmmm

[@RedAlpha101]

I mean it makes sense. The 2 gods are literally causing chaos rn ofc solas is gonna give as much info as possible

[@ShadowProject01]

@@fumarc4501I get this for sure, it the way it’s revealed. This is a HUGE plot twist in the entire franchise’s lore. There was no real gravitas to this revelation.

[@artorius4809]

Well to current bioware,where the dialog is half assed and the role play is gone from rpg

[@narcosys6934]

None of this explained about how they separated a titans soul from itself. This caused it to go mad and that's what created the red lyrium and from there the blight. Also, they didnt create the blight, they used it.

[@jrvazbakerboy]

Lyrium dagger

[@narcosys6934]

@jrvazbakerboy ya, i was saying that's something the video should have included

[@arishokqunari1290]

Where did you get this?

[@narcosys6934]

@arishokqunari1290 it's all in the lore. Biggest reveals are from dai and now veilguard. in solas memories and harding side quest

[@deathstalkerx4415]

But didnt Harding say that that Red Lyrium in the TItan was different than the blighted Lyrium?

[@big_petebear8535]

Nothing makes a game epic like massively important lore drops through droll dialogue in a grayed out setting. Bioware died with mass effect 3

[@Drezdenez]

Literally lore written by those who played inquisition at best. Blight being weapon was already theorized since Origins. And since then it turns out I was right that archdemons weren’t elven gods. If anyone interested: 1)nothing explains in lore what blight is or how it came into world (only known that it was found during elven war with titans). 2) devs specifically said that they will never explain maker in dragon age to leave it on player’s beliefs and judgement. 3) nothing about titans.

[@zero0092]

If i recall correctly the evanuris weren't thrilled and tempted by the blight they feard it ,andruil the goddess of hunt tempered with it and almost died, the evanuris helped her to not get consumed by it ,did they just changed the lore for this game

[@faberofwillandmight8758]

No. It was always the case since Origins. Bioware left scattered hints throughout the games. Especially in Inquisition. The first most obvious one was Fen'Harel's eyes around the black city in the murals in Skyhold. There were at least 20 more hints including in the chant of light.

[@Tlevids]

I don't think there's ever any suggestion in Origin that the elven gods were the source of the taint. But at that time, the lore seemed to hint that the Archdemons/Tevinter Old Gods were the Forgotten Ones sealed underground while the Creators were sealed in the Veil. Also the writers of Veilguard appear to confuse "Blight" and "Taint". The latter is used in Origins for the corrupting substance of the darkspawn while the former is used only to refer to an event where an Archdemon is awakened and invades the surface.

[@andrewvincent7299]

​​@@TlevidsWrong. When Tamlen looks into the Eluvian in the Dalish Origin story, he's says he sees a city that is underground( Origins lore claimed Tevinter buried it underground) he says they saw him and then gets pulled in. You later find him corrupted by the taint. That is exactly what Solas' just said the Evanuris did with the Magisters. Not only that but 5 old gods were defeated, 2 remain. Only 2 Elven God's came out of Solas' ritual. Come on. I get the game is shit and Neo Bioware sucks but you're letting that cloud your judgement on all the lore bits in this game.

[@andrewvincent7299]

​@@TlevidsBioware changed the term "taint" which was used as the infection of the Blight to just the Blight starting in DA2 I believe. They probably changed it because of Taint's other definition in our real world lol

[@Tlevids]

@andrewvincent7299 I see what you're saying, but I am not convinced. The Dalish Origin lore was left ambiguous, and any connections drawn by later games are more likely later lore additions. As I recall, all that we learn is that there was a (probably) human ruin, with a statue of an elven deity inside it, and an eluvian connecting to a tainted location, which Tamlen apparently reconnected with. That left the writers enough space to develop that lore in what way they saw fit moving forward. And there were 8 Creators and 7 Old Gods/Archdemons in the Origins lore. The 7/7 equivalence was only made with the later Mythal lore in Inquisition (her being killed off in ancient times). It's not impossible that they had all the details spelled out from the get-go, but I don't see anything that definitively proves that in Origins where the deeper lore was left ambiguous (which would help with later writing as ambiguity means there soft retcons can be made without direct contradiction). I still think it's more likely that the Archdemons were Forgotten Ones sealed under the earth in earlier lore, and the Creators perhaps also draconic entities sealed beyond in the sky (beyond the Veil).

[@fivedaysfitter5225]

Every other sentence you have a guide sub script telling you what you decided to say in case you didn't understand what you were choosing to say.... truly some of the worst writing and hand holding in the history of RPGs

[@Tlevids]

Agreed. That subscript also spoils replayability by spelling out exactly what consequence was the result of what decision, rather than allowing you to figure that out yourself organically in subsequent playthroughs.

[@iceiceice914]

This game encourages people to replay its combat, which is much better than all previous GA games.

[@Tlevids]

@@iceiceice914 I disagree. I miss the tactical RPG/strategy gameplay elements that have been continually watered down with each installment. This gameplay is button mashing by comparison.

[@iceiceice914]

​@@Tlevids Nevertheless tactical and action RPGs are two different types of games that are hard to compare, character builds are the one comparable aspect. There were much fewer options for builds in previous games. For example, there was a few synergy between the gear and your abilities.

[@PallyChan]

Yea, just going to pretend this game never happened and appreciate the other games for what they are.

[@afrobanditx2972]

@@PallyChan cool bye

[@delta2372]

​@@afrobanditx2972games a piece of shit made by activists, you wanna feed them money so they can keep infesting gaming with their trash then go ahead.

[@GrimPhantom]

I wonder what David Gaider thinks about this load of tripe. For all my antipathy towards him, his codex from DAO was truly the work of art. And now it has come to this...

[@WilderWraith]

@@GrimPhantom Yeah, poor guy

[@andrewvincent7299]

This is probably one of the things that remained consistent. This was always the origin of the Blight and was hinted at throughout all three games.

[@GrimPhantom]

@@andrewvincent7299 Keep on coping, my man. Surely the new rainbow-haired writers didn't dumb down and retcon everything they didn't like or properly understand about the lore of this universe. There's definitely no evidence of the contrary, that is plain for all to see.

[@SplendidFactor]

@@GrimPhantom This was hinted at since Origins. The Darkspawn worshipped a halla altar, dedicated to Ghilan'nain.

[@graye2799]

Dude, for all the issues the game has, the wider lore reveals aren't one of them for the most part. Everything was built up to be this since at least 2 and even awakening.

[@WilderWraith]

Does this not contradict the lore of the past 3 games? I understand there was some obscure lore possibly connecting Andruil and the Blight, but this is coming across as lazy, bad writing. Like, does EVERYTHING have to be about the Evanuris??? WTF. And this is coming from someone who LOVES elves.

[@faberofwillandmight8758]

This was always the case. There were so many hints in Inquisition and also some in Origins, particularly about Ghilan'nain. In Origins the Darkspawn worshiped a halla altar and there was a codex entry stating what if the Archdemons were not the old gods. In Inquisition there was the Andruil Codex, Solas' murals in Skyhold, some whispers in red lyrium in the fade, a mural in trespasser about the titans and another about the veil and also abelas' words.

[@WilderWraith]

@ I mean I guess, but what about the entire opening scene of Origins which details the Chantry myth of how the blight came to be. And what about the Architect and Corypheus? Are they just going to completely ignore the chantry story??? Idk

[@nevermore7285]

⁠​⁠@@WilderWraithThe Evanirus/the Old Gods tricked the Magiesters into opening their prison(the golden city) where the Blight got them. The chantry just added the Maker into it.

[@genechanloui]

​@WilderWraith let me ask you something are myths and religious stories reliable historical documents.

[@andrewvincent7299]

No it doesn't. This was always hinted at since Origins. The Dalish Origin story gives the most clues. When Tamlen peaks into the Eluvian, he says "I see a city...it's underground....oh no..they saw me!! They're coming!" He gets pulled in only to be found later corrupted by the Blight. So that whole thing hinted at him seeing Arlathan (it was claimed to be buried underground in the lore in Origins) and he says "they" saw him, pulled him in only for him to be corrupted. Who do you think "they" is? This was always meant to be the origin of the Blight. There are seven old gods and seven Elven Gods. 5 old gods were defeated and 2 remain. Only two Elven God's came out of Solas' ritual. It's not lazy writing. It's probably one of the few things consistent in the lore

[@Titantro]

So Dragon Age Inquisition was the end of the series. Fine by me. Never gonna pay for this turd

[@delta2372]

Inquisition was turd itself and paved the way for the mess that is this crap. Dragon age as a series hasn't had any direction to go in ever sense origins, 2 was a piece of crap with interesting ideas but poorly executed. If only bioware didn't sellout to EA maybe things would have been different for both dragon age and mass effect.

[@jeep3r]

Well, at least in this game we won't hear Varixk constantly talking about his crossbow like he's about to fuck it.

[@samuraichicken2315]

I'm watching this and I keep thinking that the faces are so lifeless and devoid of expression. It's like the animations were done back in 2010 or maybe last year by the same team that did Starfield.

[@vancejohnson-beal8142]

So question is if this is the way the original creators wanted it to be or if they changed it that way?

[@robertagren9360]

The easy answer if it wasn't there in the past why should it be here in the future

[@assassinb460]

A lot of people here defending this game say it was always like this. But if you have a brain, you will remember there was this little boy you conceived with Morrigan that had the soul of an old God. If he was one of the dickheads that killed Mythal, why would she want one of them out? Also, the whole "Mythal crawled, and crawled to the ages to me. And I will see her avenged!. For a Reckoning that will shake the very heavens!" That part got totally forgotten for the sentimental bullshit finale we got in this game. It also doesn't explain why Solas was so angry at the Grey Warens for trying to kill the last 2 Archdemons. The whole explanation that "he didn't want too many people to die" again contradicts dialog like "Your people has to die for the elves to return." It's very clear to me and many fans of previous games that the Old Gods were something more than just dragons. But the fans of Failguard are gonna defend the bad writing and the rectoning of this game no matter what.

[@N7Allfather]

​@@assassinb460 veilguard itself says they are more than just dragons so really just outing yourself as not know wtf you're talking about

[@thelastdragonborn8739]

Easy, just look the team who did Dragon age Origin, if you cant fond 70% of name in the credit of Veilguard, the awnser is no they didnt wanted that. I can give you the exemple of Halo 4 that make complety shit with the Lore of Halo, but you still have """fan"""" who will said that was the original idea. The truth is more simple, new creators who think they can make better than the previous team, it just a ego thing, they want so much show they have "better" idea of what is the story that they cant understant what make the first one so cool.

[@16Vagabond]

Look at dragon age origins, in darkspawn camps you can see they pray to altars that look like Ghilan'ain

[@orrthehunter]

Not entirely, they did find the Blight and study it but one of the side quest involving Solas past shows that they found it somewhere. Ghilan'nain's interests in the blight lead the Elven gods to learn to control it but the origins still remain a mystery. However, the secret ending shows who are suspected to be the true creators of the Blight.

[@АртемИванов-б9ъ4б]

The elves fought Titans and made them tranquil. Their thoughts trapped in the Fade and became corrupted out of rage and desperation and thus gave rise to The Blight

[@xHelios-Solx]

"Everything Dragon Age: The Veilguard Got Wrong" heres a video where true lore is

[@xHelios-Solx]

what they did with the lore in this story is shit and counteracts facts that were already there welp their was ever only three dragon age games

[@brandonraymus3026]

So if the black city is the throne of the maker turn blighted... and solas imprisoned the elven gods in the veil... and the magisters actually found solas' veil prison, and the ancient tevinter gods are just the elven gods. Solas IS the maker. And Mythal is Andraste. Theres way to mamy clues now pointing in that direction i feel like. Or at the very least, Andraste was a host of Mythal just as flemeth and morrigan.

[@Timothy1395]

Seems likely that it was Mythal while she was possessing Flemeth. But then I wonder what the Urn of Sacred Ashes was?

[@itarH]

​@@Timothy1395they will retcon it or just say it was created by illuminatis to further their goal.

[@sayres99]

So the Chant of Light is nothing more than fiction? I wish i could see the look on the Chantry's face.

[@BIGBOSS-bu1jt]

varric "Commander. sorry wrong life time."

[@Magic_Turtle123]

I like the comments you added

[@exhale451]

Do you enjoy the game Costin? Is it a good game? Is it better than DA II?

[@eastbow6053]

its awful dont spend your hard earned money

[@sebastianlecroix5469]

But is the blight non-binary?Thats very important for the game

[@F4n74.]

The blight is a spectrum 🤡

[@ShadowProject01]

What I am wondering is, what was Mythal doing during the time Fen’ Herel was rebelling against the Evenuris? Did she help Solas? Did she go independent and began her legend as the With of the wilds?

[@gremlinmann340]

Solas rebelled in response to Mythal being slain by the Evanuris. She was the driving force behind basically everything he did. The timeline is not explained well in game but it’s like this. Mythal and the other sprits who will become the evanuris use raw lyrium to form physical bodies. This drives the dwarven titans mad and creates the blight, also starting a war between the first elves and the titans. Mythal seeks out Solas who is obviously a powerful spirit and asks him to create a physical body as well. He does so. The evanuris then seek to be proclaimed as gods instead of respected elders or leaders and worshipped by their people. Solas disagrees and insists they are not gods. Mythal joins the evanuris so as to maintain the peace. At some point the evanuris begin using the blight and trying to weaponize it to win the war with the titans which Solas obviously doesn’t want to happen. Solas convinces Mythal to make the gods stop. The evanuris kill Mythal in response to her speaking out against them. Solas performs a ritual to form the veil and binds it to each of the evanuris, banishing them to the black city and then falling unconscious for millennia

[@AulisVaara]

I think the original idea was that Mythal was so powerful that she didn't need (involuntary) worshippers, so letting Solas rebel was a nice little way to keep the other Evanuris from amassing more power for themselves through followers. Not that the writers of this trash game have enough braincells to see that.

[@gremlinmann340]

@@AulisVaaratotally subjective. It’s not the game everybody waited 9 years for but it’s far from trash. They answered almost every question we as fans have asked. What’s so bad about that?

[@AulisVaara]

@@gremlinmann340 "They answered almost every question we as fans have asked. What’s so bad about that?" They contradicted the past lore of every question they answered as well as every character. > "It’s not the game everybody waited 9 years for but it’s far from trash." My conclusion from the answer to your question is that the game is not just trash, but absolute trash that insults the fans' intelligence. Eternal shame on the people who made this game happen.

[@gurdjieff9282]

@@gremlinmann340 you are partially wrong, Solas was not an Evanuris, was one of the first of the elves but a powerful mage and a spirit speaker, less powerful than Mythal or Elgar nain

[@briangronberg6507]

Sweet Andraste, no!

[@hanaminima3205]

I’m confuse so if the blight from elven gods I get that and this blight happen because the veil is weekend But the other 5 blights the veil didn’t weakened how did the gods get out then ??

[@hanaminima3205]

Weak*

[@gurdjieff9282]

it makes sense that the blight comes from the titans mad dreams caused by Solas striking them with the lyrium dagger and severing theyr material from spiritual , the blight started on the underground and never ends , the Deep Roads are 90% blighted, thats the reasons why the Dwarves are almost extinct.

[@enzomax2553]

Costin, you may be a bastard for executing Alistair and other countless ruthless acts… but at the least you were always immersed into the role, nvm have more sense than this lumbering plot! I am saddened you must endure this tripe. Keep that murder knife always honed and at the ready!

[@rilius7138]

Pepsodent-Smile Solas!

[@hawkeyesblue9254]

Well thanks for the huge spoiler in the title i guess...would have liked to learn that in game but watever...

[@LyllianaofMirrah]

made by desperate elvens? no fucking way...

[@gurdjieff9282]

why? didnt you see how big and means are the Titans...there was no other way to win the war against them.

[@Hrdrockr]

Retcon

[@genechanloui]

Please just let the videos play i dont want to hear about napoleon

[@jaykay1848]

that random rook is so cringe.

[@boodstain]

The dumbest lore change ever

[@TheAns51]

What is? Lore being that since DA:O?

[@eastbow6053]

@@TheAns51 elves burried the blight they didnt use it, evanuris in da3 started using it at the end they didnt create it it was something unknown dangerous but they wanted power and thought they could handle it even though they had to burry it to survive it in da3 solas was mad the wardens were killing the archdemons why should have been mad if according to this turd of a game they were killing his enemies? no the archdemons were there to seal the blight and the source of the blight bioware ruined everything

[@narcosys6934]

​@eastbow6053 that's untrue. They did bury it, but because of solas war they became desperate and used it again. Killed mythal, and he sealed them. Which shows he didn't want to kill them. He still cares for their spirits, which is what killing an archdemon does.

[@sveipr]

This was literally set up in origins.

[@assassinb460]

​@eastbow6053 Not to mention, this re-writing ignores Kirean. Why would Mythal want one of the idiots that killed her out? And why Kirean wasn't evil? But yeah, let the fans of this game tell you the writing is brilliant!

[@Shetyre]

wasnt it a horse in the napoleon story?

[@robertagren9360]

The horse died but got beaten many times

[@jcdenton7891]

Fuck this game and it’s cheap retcons, I’m sick of elves being behind all lore, it’s so lazy and unimaginative.

[@entertheunknown3554]

Yep, i definitely won't be buying this game, dragon gods are far more interesting than the elves

[@TheAns51]

Yet they never were dragon gods 🤣 There literally was hints to lore being just this from the beginning of DA:O

[@entertheunknown3554]

@TheAns51 i don't give a fuck if it was hinted at, it's less interesting

[@TheAns51]

@@entertheunknown3554 Well boohoo crybaby🤣

[@darthsol658]

​@@TheAns51 Keep shilling for a woke game

[@assassinb460]

Yes, they did Morrigan and Kirean dirty. Your son never existed was not important, Mythal "Reckoning that will shake the very heavens!" It was just her, being a drama queen. The Grey Warens never pissed Solas off. The vaults of the old gods were built by smurfs, the Evanuris try to murder themselves by directing the Blight from the Black City to taint their own dragons and had them all killed, because the dumbasses haven't learned the Grey Wardens can destroy their pet dragons and they haven't noticed that Andruil, Falondin, and the others are dead in their prisons. Solas should have waited for the Grey Wardens to kill the last 2 dragons it would have avoided this game.

[@АртемИванов-б9ъ4б]

So, the Maker was never existed that's for sure

[@ironheadgaming6270]

Ha I knew it was all the knife-ears fault

[@sugoiboi8160]

bro are best buddies with Vaughan Kendells 🤣