Solas gives us some Archdemon lore | Dragon Age: The Veilguard

[@fffx2]

A first Warden being skeptical about an Archedemon after the 5th Blight is hilariously inconsistent writing. Its only been 20 years.

[@samwiseb2799]

Yeah I have to agree. Like the whole point of the wardens was to prevent another blight and to do whatever it takes to stop one, short of consorting with demons. The First Warden being skeptical about another blight is so stupid that it’s like of the Knight Commander refuses to hunt down demons and blood mages cause they are skeptical demons or blood mages exist.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

The writing is very bad.

[@Kimberliearcher]

​@@samwiseb2799In order to understand the writing, we need to look all nook and canny of the lore, as Dorian said, first Warden is more of a politics figure than someone who actually care about Blight. He doesn't believe the blight are "gods", he just consider the event as another " normal" blight where they just need to slay the archdemon and die as usual

[@thedarudecactus3179]

well, in history blights only occur once every century or so on, so one blight popping up after 20 years is kinda on pace.

[@Derhone]

No Hero of ferelden put in end the 5th blight so fast people's questioning the last one was a real blight or just a huge dark spawn infestation.

[@SoraJustAGuy]

-I propose a bargain, i answer your question if you answer mine -what? -you are an idiot, that's what. My turn.... They really revised the lore a lot. In the inquisition Solas was against killing the archdemons, ridiculing the notion that killing one somehow saves the world though he did admit that it would "buy people time". In the Trespasser DLC you can discover Murals that depicts various elven gods bound by 7 seals, 4 of which are greyed out while 3 of them are still active. One for each archdemon(remember Morrigan managed to preserve the soul of the 5th archdemon in her child and Solas later would retrieve it). Archdemons were ancient spirits though their true nature was undiscovered Solas considered murdering them an act of unspeakable sacrilege. And it was implied that each one of them served originally as locks. It was implied that it wasn't the dragons that Tevinter mages heard but the Evanuris themselves. They baited those mages to breach the veil and enter the prison(that they thought was a gold city) if only for a moment but that was enough to release a blight into the world. Blight that would command darkspawn one and only thing....look for dragons, corrupt them as that would destroy the seals and allow Evanuris to go free. Now they are reduced to weapons and no longer Solas sounds sorrowfull at the mention of their demise. How can Gaider defend this writing? These people destroyed his world. Please read "A detailed analysis of the Trespasser murals, with supporting evidence | Part One" a great read if you are DA lore fan...as i used to be.

[@BelieveIt1051]

Because GayDerp didn't write all of it. Only some of it. There were other, more talented writers working on Origins that added more to the lore than what GayDerp wrote. He basically only wrote the novels. The games and the details of the lore were filled out by other writers.

[@B1izzardHawk]

Spoilers It was later explained why Solas was against killing the archdemons. They were linked to the evanuris, when they died after being tainted, so did the god. The evanuris lifeforce is what's fueling the veil, should they all die, the veil collapses, that's why Solas didn't think killing them was a good idea.

[@BelieveIt1051]

@@B1izzardHawk But Solas wanted to destroy the veil anyway. So killing the tainted evanuris would have been the best way to do that.

[@B1izzardHawk]

@BelieveIt1051 he wanted to tear it down, yes, but it's like blowing up a building, he wanted to do it in a way so that casualties were minimized. If it just collapsed without warning, then the casualties would have been astronomical.

[@BelieveIt1051]

@@B1izzardHawk No he didn't. He didn't even see mortals as people. He was planning on tearing down the veil as soon as he reclaimed the orb from Cory after being unlocked.

[@BelieveIt1051]

The Hero of Ferelden could convince the Wardens. Oh sorry, this game doesn't recognize any past choices.

[@azureheart2846]

Truth be told, there’s a good chance they would have refused to listen to the HoF. According to Alister in DA2, the Order wasn’t happy about all the political stuff we got involved in (not that they don’t appreciate the political power and standing they received). Not to mention the potential alliance with The Architect. In fact I don’t think it’s a stretch to believe that the HoF would but heads with the First Warden on how things should be done. No way would the HoF allow Warden-Commander Clarel to do what she did, and the HoF probably would have personally have the Warden of Orlais and Ferelden split from Weisshaupt

[@verar2247]

​​​@@azureheart2846 and that is the more reasons why we should have had HoF and First Warden fighting for the future of the order in Lands meet manner, our Warden as possible new leader seems like the realest conclusion of their story

[@BelieveIt1051]

@@azureheart2846 I'm referring to the rank-and-file Wardens though, all of whom would hold the Hero in high regard depending on choices. And of course the Hero/WC would be in opposition to the First Warden, and possibly other WCs from other countries. Then it would be up to Rook to make the difference and back that one.

[@BelieveIt1051]

@@verar2247 Exactly. I envisioned it as the Hero returning with the cure for the taint, helping settle things at Weisshaupt, and then peacing out to go to Ferelden to use the cure on any red lyrium infecting the South. This would give the Hero a reason to be involved directly on-screen and also indirectly off-screen. But BioWare didn't want to put the work in.

[@ZeroOmega-vg8nq]

​@@BelieveIt1051HOF coming not just with the cure to the taint but an upgrade to warden abilities via the research avernis granted him depending on what method the HOF chooses. Humane experiments vs Renegade experiments. And of course plenty of other aspects to make the HOF a bigger political nuke if he lets the architect live and helps him and if he had the god baby with morrigan but oh no....choices dont matter but here....have a nonbinary qunari we all would rather throw in the cage instead of sten

[@carolinedormant6798]

I do recall Solas in Inquistion saying that there is nothing connecting old gods with his people so now it is connected?

[@TheAns51]

All i remember on is this: " Cassandra: Solas, the dragon Corypheus commands - could it truly be an Archdemon? Solas: One assumes that if it were, we would be facing a Blight. Cassandra: So what is it, then? A corrupted dragon, simply another darkspawn? Solas: It is connected to Corypheus. Such a relation goes beyond mere control - it is a bond. Cassandra: It makes you wonder if that's all the Archdemons themselves are: pets to beings who no longer exist. Solas: I would not go as far as that. This dragon is a replica, spawned from a creature who aspires to greatness. No more." Solas could be lying or just holding vital information. Too much information that is true could have revealed him being something more than just a mage who spends a lot of time in the fade talking with spirits. Also he could be meaning that archdemons aren't just "pets to beings who no longer exist" but much more and shares more than just a bond with their elven masters.

[@NATIK001]

Inquisition left the question open, especially considering since Solas has never been a reliable source of information. Even if you totally trust Solas though, he only spoke in vague hints about this, he did not come straight out to confirm anything in either direction. It was heavily hinted that the Evanuris, Old Gods and Archdemons were linked in some way through many sources, but the link was never confirmed nor what type of link it is. I still don't trust Solas as he is a very biased part of the whole conflict and has been from the start. However he does have the knowledge of how it all fits together, he just cannot be trusted to give information unless it helps him directly.

[@BelieveIt1051]

He said nothing in the elven legends connect the old gods to his people. A lie by omission. The real problem is with Solas' aversion to the Wardens killing the old gods before they can awaken. If they are tied to the remaining evanuris, and they are their weapons he forgot about, then he should have been completely on board with their plan, thinking it would serve his own goals, especially if that meant weakening the veil's power source.

[@chrome289]

@@BelieveIt1051 I think his issue with killing the Archdemons is that it will also kill the corresponding Elven God hence why we see only 2 of them escaping and why it was necessary to bind Solas to the Veil like they were after killing the two who escaped. Telling people the Archdemons were the pets of the Elven Gods would have only made things worse of the rest of the Elves. Also killing the Archdemons would have liked lifted the Veil in a less "delicate" manner while Solas made it clear he was trying to minimize the damage that would occur.

[@azureheart2846]

I think I remember him saying that there’s no "evidence"

[@Byzantine_Orthodox_Christian]

Yikes, 20 years of lore down the drain, remember when the old lore hinted that the Old Gods were the forgotten ones who fought the evanuris to a standstill, to the point the evanuris killed a titan to turn th tides.

[@SoulessStranger]

Pepperidge Farm remembers 😢

[@BelieveIt1051]

No, since the Forgotten Ones were three, while the old gods were seven. But this should have gone the route of the old gods being more powerful than the evanuris, and rivals or sources of power for them to contend with. Not tools to be easily enthralled.

[@TheAns51]

How does this contradict that? The forgotten ones were "bad" elven gods. Their war with "good" elven gods was a kinda civil war. They took the forms of dragons and could be seen as old gods to mortals and normal elves and as dragons were old creatures even then which were powerful and intelligent. They could also have been used by titans against "good" elven gods which led to titans vs evanuris war which led titans being "killed" and made tranquil which led titans memories to become mad and corrupt without mean to enter their bodies thus the blight was created. Victorious "good" evanuris discovered this blight and started to use it for their own means thus corrupting themselfs at first and then spreading it by taint. For all we know, those "old gods" the forgotten ones were already corrupted by titans by other means, for elven (spirits) using their blood (lyrium) to craft bodies for themselfs and thus some of those elven "gods" became warring and crazy. This way "good" evanuris could control and be linked to "old gods" as a way to subjugate them because they all were corrupted but "good" evanuris had learn to somewhat control and use the blight. Solas didn't know of this connection as he himself wasn't a true part of the evanuris, even tho he was somewhat influential through Mythal. Thus evanuris trapped in fade (black city) were able to control "old gods" trapped in underground (deep roads) once link with taint has been made and after tevinter magisters were able to break into a black city but unable to release evanuris caged there. Imo it makes perfect sense and nothing has been drainded down but expanded.

[@roanc3709]

That was never the lore lol. This was always the lore. There’s been a document explaining the lore of the setting written since before origins, this was always what was in it.

[@vladdracula8103]

@@Byzantine_Orthodox_Christian Yeah that was your theory! Congrats, it was wrong but never established lore!

[@orihime2u913]

Thank you but this is not Dragon Age... this is some off-shoot in a parallel universe like Marvel stories. I don't think I will play this game and I'm certain I will not spend a penny on buying it, just to ruin my mood. If this was my first game in the franchise I would definitely not buy it, but since I'm a fan, I hope that my decision will make the developers reconsider and actually listen to the fan base to do it justice 1. Make our choices matter - that is the core of this game since its inception; don't strip us from it, you are just watering it down every new release 2. Include our decisions from the previous games, previous characters, everything: from Feynriel to Zevran to Dorian. They should be a part of this game, we should live and breathe the world we created. 3. Stop rushing the release I'm sure others can give more feedback... but will you listen (EA)?

[@SoulessStranger]

They will not, they already announced no DLC and the work moved fully to the next Mass Effect which does fill me with dread rather than hope for the poor Mass Effect universe

[@orihime2u913]

@@SoulessStranger don't we all... I don't know whether to laugh or cry everytime they announce something like that. It feels hopeless... That's why I like indie games, they at least try to listen; or old cRPGs - they were the GOAT. It's sad that when I see a new game I know it will not be up to par to the older ones. At this point I would ask for a game refresh of the older titles. Especially ones that EA has bought. Surely they can't mess this up right? Right?

[@SoulessStranger]

@@orihime2u913 Im just sitting on my old physical copies of Mass Effect and Dragon Age like a hawk waiting for when they will inevitably be taken off Steam for not being "up to par with the modern audiences" or reworked into something unrecognizable. At least Larian and Indie devs seem to pick up the torch from the AAA gaming dumpster fire.

[@BelieveIt1051]

Same here. Won't buy this non-canon slop. Won't even play it for free more than likely. But I think this is the end for BioWare. The end of Dragon Age at least.

[@FullRamenAlch3mist]

What a wasted opportunity regarding the wardens. How cool would it be if your past choices culminated in the HoF coming to convince and lead the wardens???

[@sugoiboi8160]

wait, so dumat, urthermiel and the other archdemon are just tools of the evanuris, the wardens killed 5 because there are 5 blights already, does that mean the other elven gods are dead in the fade? what happened to the magisters of those gods? corypheus is dead, but what about the architect?

[@Nyrufa]

The answer to all your questions is simple: BioWare doesn't care.

[@BelieveIt1051]

The evanuris linked to those archdemons are dead. The Darkspawn Magisters are not, as we saw Corypheus was still alive despite Dumat being dead. The Architect was alive after Urthemiel could be slain. The Architect likely dies in Awakening unless the Warden sided with him. What happened to Urthemiel's soul in a Dark Ritual worldstate is unknown, or even if that soul is really one of the evanuris or not, like June's for example.

[@NATIK001]

The High Dragons/Archdemons are tools, not the gods themselves. Solas is basically saying that by leaving the High Dragons alive and sleeping in their prisons, he left a backdoor open to the Evanuris prison, allowing them to influence the world even while locked away. If what he says holds then any god not tied to a living dragon would be left locked in the fade without a backdoor to slip out of. This doesn't mean they can't be let out again, but they cannot release themselves without a High Dragon tied to them. Piecing things together suggests that when the Warden's kill an Archdemon they disrupt its ability to reform after death, but that doesn't mean the spirit is gone/god is dead, just that it can no longer reform. Essentially any god that had a High Dragon turn Archdemon and die is just as locked up as if they never had a High Dragon in the first place. Overall my reading is that the gods will continue trying to escape the Fade even after all the Archdemons are dead, because all they lost were some tools they had tried to use to pry open their prison's locks. The cosmology of Dragon Age suggests that one should not expect something like the Evanuris to truly die, probably not even something like the Magister's Sidereal, I would expect their spirits to always exist in some form in the Fade with their ability to manifest and to influence things dependent on the various factors, but never quite gone. If you are versed in Tolkien's mythology then I would liken it to how defeated and banished fallen Ainur always exist in some form trying to manifest in Arda once again, but each defeat leaves them weaker than they were before. Killing members of the Evanuris in the physical world is likely to set them back far more than killing their Archdemons or locking them behind the Veil ever did, but I wouldn't count on it killing them for good given how the Fade and physical worlds are linked.

[@BelieveIt1051]

@@NATIK001 Nope. The game says that the Warden who kills the archdemon is actually killing the evanuris linked to it. So now all the evanuris are dead except possibly the one who posed as Urthemiel and was captured through the dark ritual.

[@faberofwillandmight8758]

​@@BelieveIt1051which according to the codex is most certainly June.

[@blood10dragon56]

Sooo... what made the 5th archdemon so important that Flement wanted to preserve their soul?

[@DanielRodrigues-so3id]

power

[@Dabutlergames]

Plot armour.

[@Phantom19913]

because its the soul fragment of the Evanuris who it was bound too it could be an evanuris who didn't have a hand in Mythals death and she was wanting to restore them the same way she was restored or use them to take her revenge on the others evanuris.

[@hunacean]

It is still an Evanuris. It is possible that Flemeth/Mythal, ever the mediator dosen't want too seer brethren murdered, no matter their transgressions

[@assassinb460]

@@blood10dragon56 No reason. Your choices don't matter.

[@lellosbarello90]

why do they put this stupid reminders of why a character says something (0:59), of course Solas remembers what we told him before, it should be taken for granted unless he's demented. I hate it so much, they are highlighting basic features of dialogue as if it's something special and it completely breaks immersion.

[@NOSTALGIAZOOM]

It's kinda like in a Telltale game now, that had this type of thing too

[@SoulessStranger]

I guess it is for the young tiktok kids these days who cannot hold a thought in their brain for more than half a minute. Else I have no explanation.

[@hunacean]

For what it's worth, you can turn it off.

[@Garthorium]

@@hunacean It inherently being a feature indicates that the original design intention was for the - as someone else called them - 'tiktok kids'. At least in Telltale games it served a purpose as to indicate that that specific dialogue choice WOULD be brought up/made relevant in a significant choice. It was few and far between instances in those games, here it's nearly every 2nd or third thing you say which has other implications.

[@hunacean]

@@Garthorium I understand. I'm not saying this to defend the game or anything. I'm just sharing a tip that might make his experience a bit more fun.

[@assassinb460]

Then why was Solas angry at the Grey Wardens for trying to kill the last 2 Archdemons sleeping in their vaults? It would have avoided this game 😂😂

[@trafalgarlawn7124]

Its called bad writing.🤣

[@ratedjentertainment]

Warden-Commander Clarel was trying to save us from The Veilguard, and she died for it.

[@trafalgarlawn7124]

@@ratedjentertainment Seems we were the real villain.🤣

[@SplendidFactor]

From what I gather, it would have meant that no Evanuris was bound to the energy of the Veil. Once those 2 archdemons were slain, the Veil would collapse and the sealed Blight in the Fade would destroy the world. Solas wants to bring down the Veil, but he wants to do it in a way that still keeps the Blight within sealed.

[@da.loulou]

@@SplendidFactor You are correct. Solas wants to restore the world to as it was pre-Veil, not destroy it in a Blight infested mess alongside the other effects of an unchecked Veil removal. But that would require these folks to actually read as they play to know!

[@SoulessStranger]

What in the Andraste's twisted knickers is that bad lip sync? Like did no one look at the dialogues before they ship the game out and noticed the lip sync is off or not even matching the right words? It's like watching bad dubbing.

[@thanellen8757]

How to get rid of the first warden?... With laughter peak writing right there BOYS AND GORLS!

[@NATIK001]

As much as the writing of the game in general sucks, I don't think this is a good example of that. Solas is telling Rook a parable which holds a possible answer to the problem, he isn't saying "go up and laugh at the guy, and he gives up, always works." The subtext is that the First Warden's confidence and total control of the Grey Wardens can be undermined, laughter is just one of the means of doing it. When critiquing media with shallow writing, don't make the mistake of assuming all of it is shallow and without depth or subtext, you will only make yourself and your critique look silly by failing to appreciate the rare moments when there is a break from form into something deeper.

[@BelieveIt1051]

It's not a bad answer per se. Mockery is an effective political tool. It's just that BioWare doesn't understand the tactic on anything other than a topical level.

[@amf1435]

All dictators absolutely hate to be mocked. Putin, Kim, Xi... They want to be adored and feared, not laughed at. And so, in not being able to not take themselves so seriously, they get smaller and weaker in people's eyes

[@thanellen8757]

@@amf1435 these were "gods" lol don't excuse shitty writing or insult our intelligence, please x

[@erikwilliams1562]

Wait what?! So how does that explain the Blights? Or the Darkspawn?

[@TheWyrmofIron]

What is this? Did every writer leave bioware after Origins?

[@Northalix]

I don't know, according to some sources there are still few veterans there but most of them have left it seems. Also around 50 people mostly veterans were fired not long ago.

[@B1izzardHawk]

I freaking knew it. Ever since trespasser, i knew there had to be a link between the old gods and evanuris since the amount of old gods matched the number in the pantheon

[@MrJordwalk]

Jaws Of Hakkon also suggested what the Old Gods really were: spirits bound to the bodies of high dragons through ritual, a suspicion of mine informed by the fact Hakkon Wintersbreath TALKS to us when we fight him at the end of the DLC and this scene in The Veilguard PARTLY CONFIRMS my suspicion. The Old Gods weren't spirits bound to the bodies of dragons, but rather, pieces of the Evanuris. Just like Corypheus did with his dragon in the base game.

[@hassamlatif1169]

Bit disappointed they trivialized the tevinter old gods this much.

[@Shige2213]

This is not canon, the old bioware doesn't exist anymore, this is bad fanfiction from someone who bought the IP

[@chrome289]

Well apparently a lot of these reveals line up with what the old Bioware had planned out since Origins according to Gaider(apparently he made a lore doc)

[@DanielRodrigues-so3id]

lmfao that's not true. even origins was setting up and teasing the events and discoveries that happened in Veilguard. it's all connected. the lead writer for origins confirmed that recently in an interview.

[@Shige2213]

@@DanielRodrigues-so3id cope

[@DanielRodrigues-so3id]

@@Shige2213 thankfully I don't need to cope because what I said is fact and I also loved the game. you're the one forcing yourself on hating something 👯

[@serenth8310]

​@@DanielRodrigues-so3idI cannot believe that you can overlook your favourite franchise having dialogue suited for Saturday morning cartoons regardless of your political opinions. Did you really enjoy playing your 100th explode pods to open a door or have you never played any other video game and think that's quality gameplay😂

[@trafalgarlawn7124]

This utterly destroys the lore and makes the whole Morrigan god baby choice that much more meanongless (which I thought was not possible after DAI). These days, I simply pretend that DAO was the final game in the series and that everything afterwards is bad fanfiction.

[@roanc3709]

Bad news bestie: the groundwork for this lore is in origins because this was always the lore.

[@vladdracula8103]

@@trafalgarlawn7124 You really gotta replay the Dalish Elf Origin, or the whole series. This was always going to be the case, no lore has been destroyed and this was always hinted at. But I will agree that I’m disappointed they never touched on the old god baby, that was a mistake

[@Zodragoss]

story was better when the blight was humanity's fault and not a trick of the elven gods

[@faberofwillandmight8758]

It was always the elven gods. Ever since Origins there were hints, like Darkspawn building altars to Ghilan'nain.

[@ДобрыйХаосит-х6ф]

​@@faberofwillandmight8758What? Where did they do that?

[@almamater489]

​@@ДобрыйХаосит-х6ф remember when you go into the Deep Roads and see those weird crescent moon flesh building? Looks pretty much like Ghil'anain

[@Tlevids]

@@almamater489 Except Ghilan'nain didn't have the crescent crown until Veilguard. Previously she's been represented very differently, like in the fresco in Inquisition.

[@Tlevids]

@@ДобрыйХаосит-х6ф There are no darkspawn altars to Ghilan'nain in Origins. There is a corrupted halla skull on a darkspawn forge in Ostagar, but it's more probably associated with the trope of orcs corrupting nature/goodness/living things than connections to elven gods. The modified statues in the Deep Roads appear to be attempts to create depictions of the Archdemons with elongated skulls and "wings" added to them (also no suggestion of connection with elven gods).

[@IlBorreG]

So.. the lore of archdemons of DAO DA2 and DAI is a lie? the old gods, bioware just ruined all the lore in transguard

[@roanc3709]

It was never meant to be true. The “lore” you’re referring to is the chant of light, in one of the first conversations we have in ostagar in origins alistair says that the chant of light is a story and not necessarily accurate. The entire series has been us learning the truth, and the foundations have been laid since origins. The arch demons were always linked to the evanuris. Many people figured this out years ago because of the breadcrumbs in the entire series.

[@vladdracula8103]

@@IlBorreG Nothing has been ruined, this has been hinted at since the first game.

[@Jay3up]

The lore of this series has been so thoroughly f***** it’s not even funny I hate how everything is now connected to the elves. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out the maker was actually an elf

[@faberofwillandmight8758]

It was set up since Origins. They had dragon heads as Symbols of the Evanuris and darkspawn making altars to Ghilan'nain.

[@hunacean]

I understand a lot of criticism about this game since there is a lot of cringey dialouge, but this is a quite logical conclusion of plotpoints setup in previous games. We knew that the number of old gods and evanuris were the same since Origins. We knew that soul binding to a Dragon is a thing from Corypheus. This knowledge was also reinforced in the Jaws of Hakkon dlc. And the first inquisitor, around whom that dlc revolves, you guessed it, was also an elf. It has been heavily implied since D2 that the qunari are also results of experminents trying to bind humans and dragons togheter. And nothing about the subtext of anything that these games have shown us about the maker indicate that he is even real.

[@namedmangreg7625]

You may hate it, but I honestly feel this was the plan all along. Don't get me wrong, I was disappointed that the old gods were not opposing pantheon.

[@calinissetehtarello4126]

@@namedmangreg7625 Yuppp, I also hoped for it. It would make things make more sense.

[@vladdracula8103]

@@Jay3up the taint is literally coming through an Eluvian in the Dalish Elf origin in the first game. What are you talking about? It’s always been hinted

[@almamater489]

How are Tevinter pagan gods just regular high dragons? If Dumat was a regular male high dragon, he would just be a drake

[@healsallwounds]

BioWare took the laziest, dumbest route possible with the Old Gods. Yet one more reason why I refuse to consider Veilguard a true Dragon Age sequel.

[@faberofwillandmight8758]

This was always the case. Origins had plenty of hints that this was the case, but people just didn't want to see it until Inquisition gave a ton more hints.

[@Tlevids]

Agreed - this direction completely cheapens the Archdemons which were intelligent and mysterious entities in Origins and other DA media. It's sad that they're now merely the mindless pets of poorly written generic Corypheus-clone villains. And I've yet to see any convincing evidence (that isn't *heavily* interpretive) that suggests that this was BioWare's plan prior to Inquisition.

[@vladdracula8103]

@@faberofwillandmight8758 Yup, this was always going to be the outcome. David Gaider hinted to it way back in 2009 after Origins was released.

[@healsallwounds]

@@vladdracula8103 He did not. In fact, Gaider suggested they were alien to Thedas, and pointed out it didn’t make sense for the Old Gods to urge Tevinter to attack the elves if they were elven deities.

[@vladdracula8103]

@ No, what he said was that it was possible for the Old Gods to be based off the elven gods. He then questions why they would whisper to Tevinter to destroy Arlathan, but we have the answer to that now. Because they were slavers and tyrants, and most likely wanted revenge against the unfaithful for the rebellion.

[@francisong94]

Can somebody give me a brief summary. Really curioua but dint wanna watch the vid. Thanks

[@wildfree1409]

"Yea the Archdemons are gay"

[@ImperatorCaesar1]

This is a disgrace.

[@vladdracula8103]

@@ImperatorCaesar1 no, you just never paid attention to the past games

[@ImperatorCaesar1]

@vladdracula8103 I've been playing and replaying this series since 2009. This is a blatant retcon. Solas states in idle banter in DAI to Cassandra that the old gods ARE NOT pets or tools of the Evanuris.

[@vladdracula8103]

@@ImperatorCaesar1 He never says they are not pets. He says he wouldn't go as far as to speculate that they are. He already knows the answer and is leaving it out. He's the god of lies and trickery ffs.

[@vladdracula8103]

@@ImperatorCaesar1 The taint COMES FROM AN ELUVIAN in the Dalish Elf origin I mean come on.