Emancipator Exo-Suit is Terrible - Helldivers 2

New mech suit is terrible in helldivers 2
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[@captaintruth]

this only feels underpowered because you are underskilled

[@OhDough]

so true

[@Drekschaedl1]

pin of shame🤡

[@somemeatball368]

Coping much? Lmao

[@Boiswalkin]

Honestly, yeah I agree with this (terminids)

[@eskeladder7751]

Hi Alex

[@ZanderTheUnthonkable]

Friendly reminder this suit in helldivers 1 had: -250 shots per arm with 500 total -Could fire stratagems, even while moving -Trampled all small enemies for an instant kill with zero self damage -Had sufficient resistance to tank several minutes of fighting on frontline -Moved significantly faster -Had more damage per shot and aoe than this suit -Had heavy armor

[@berserkerpride]

And I think you could repair it too.

[@kohth5027]

​@@berserkerpride yeah that was the repair beam support weapon could heal friendlies and sentries too. Also all vehicles had a bleed out state allowing you to get out of him safely if heavily damage enemies would also focus them to allowing you to runaway if needed.

[@Faceball12]

For a 10 min cooldown and only 2 uses I’d say that’s a good trade off to make it good but not op

[@shemsuhor8763]

Man this game Helldivers 1 sounds really good...

[@TheTrueHolyDarkness]

@@shemsuhor8763 I recently started playing Helldivers 1 locally with friends. The mech actually feels the way you think a mech should feel in that game, not a deathtrap you'd be a fool to bring along.

[@redcenturion88]

Dont rely on your primaries, theyre only for trash clearing. Dont rely on your support weapons, theyre only for trash clearing. Dont rely on your strategems, theyre only for trash clearing

[@dineshsadhwani3717]

Helldivers are now officially Trashdivers

[@blackmaster993]

You vill use ze nerfed guns and you vill be happy

[@momma_bal]

​@@dineshsadhwani3717Call them the Junkdivers X3

[@RichSmithson]

@@blackmaster993You Vill Eatz Zee Termanidz and Live in Zee Hellpodz

[@neziaojuara1768]

Repeat with me: "YoU aRe sUpPoSeD tO bE aN eXpEnDaBlE sOlDiEr."

[@loganberkheimer1857]

Arrowhead - "Players are falling off hard, we need something cool to bring them back in" Also Arrowhead - "The new mech can't aim slightly down and it also doesn't shoot where you aim it"

[@AccordYeen]

don't forget the part where it can barely damage heavies!

[@Someguy6571]

@@AccordYeenIt's not meant to be heavy anti-tank.

[@anorouch]

@@Someguy6571 Too many armor levels. Even with 4 players, the first armor levels dont count, and end up as nothing but chaff.

[@Uri0000]

@@Someguy6571 Then whats the purpose of it?

[@Pr0m3th310us]

​​@@Someguy6571 it's shit at add clear so if it not meant to be anti armor then what purpose does it even have for existing?

[@Winters004]

Elevation issues and misaligned aim from the left side weapon are the exact same issues the Patriot Exo suffers.

[@droughty666]

If only there was some device that can tell us where we're aiming, I don't know maybe a... laser.

[@berserkerpride]

@@droughty666 Or a reticle that used to work just fine.

[@Someguy6571]

These issues only became a thing AFTER they tried (and half assed it), to fix it. Before you could aim almost completely down a hill and shoot it.

[@joshizfly]

​​@@Someguy6571I liked it better with the risk of shooting yourself in motion Edit: at least you could aim

[@RichSmithson]

Didn’t they change the mech to make it more realistic too? These devs still don’t know what fun is.

[@Inverted_Official]

the Pelican bringing the mech in does more damage than the mech itself

[@janmoy4670]

Thats because the pelican has the highest armor penetration of 10.

[@fresnel149]

I've been using the free exosuit stratagem to whip it into a big patrol, the Pelican lights up the patrol group and the exosuit draws aggro while i mop up the survivors.

[@TheMissle]

We need a pelican cannon

[@Lucios1995]

Wish a Dead player could use the Pelican for air support, or at least when arriving on Evac

[@joshfritz5345]

The mech is actually very solid against bots. It's not meant to kill superheavies, but it's really good at clearing hordes of mediums which is something you really need against bots.

[@fringehouse]

first and foremost all mechs should have heavy armor, it makes no sense that our guns bounce off Hulk armor, yet our heavy mechs take damage from light arms and bug attacks. mechs should laugh at bot machine gun attacks and only take damage from rockets, grenades, tanks, and explosions in general. bugs should be chargers, bile spit, and bile titans. it wouldnt be terribly op because of the extremely limited ammo they have but I shouldnt be running away from hunters

[@arizonaanalog389]

These devs are play testing in difficulty 1-3 so go forward with that knowledge.

[@eskeladder7751]

​@@arizonaanalog389 exactly, i find it hard to believe that the guy who said all the weapons in polar patriots are S tier is playing in any diff highter then 3

[@eskeladder7751]

@fringehouse Exactly!!! I remember using the first mech suit on a diff 6 bot mission and it getting absolutely rekt in a couple of mins. The state of the mechs dont fucking justify how long and limited it's uses are also.

[@Just-A-Bit]

Right

[@Tamachii12]

One thing i found funny on his video, why the factory strider isn't ripping him to shreds with it's dual gailting guns...

[@thatonedude8313]

AH Devs: helldivers need to use more stratagems! Meanwhile the new stratagems

[@JadeKnightfall]

Also most modifiers in higher difficulties hurt your stratagems. "So glad I spent my super samples to decrease my stratagem cooldowns by 10% just for most high end missions to increase my cooldowns by 25%!"

[@rainbowkrampus]

They said more, not new. So obviously everything new has to be trash.

[@Tamachii12]

@@JadeKnightfall Not forgetting the, AH: You should use your stratagems more, here this -1 stratagem modifier.

[@joshfritz5345]

The Emancipator is excellent against bots. The only things it struggles against are tanks and factory striders, which is understandable because it's an autocannon mech, it's not supposed to kill superheavies. It kills the hell out of devastators, gunships, scout walkers and hulks though.

[@achillesa5894]

You are so right at the end that they're being the fun police. Someone sat there and thought "you know what would be terrible? If players could bring both mechs". Someone went out of their way to specifically make it so you can't. Just like they made it so you can't place sentries on high ground, or like they made it so you can't land your hellpod in creative spots. They waste dev time "fixing" patrols, "fixing" rocochet, "fixing" the Patriot while the Spear has been broken since release and enemies still spawn right behind you if you do a 360 of the camera. It genuinely starts to feel like malice at this point.

[@Deadsnake989]

It's not malice, it's incompetence. Alexus is a genuine moron who's already ruined one game with his low IQ.

[@Tamachii12]

Not forgetting you can't climb certain places, like your character is wearing Goku's weights... lost count on how many times i almost got killed becayse my character refused to vault a 1m mound...

[@KJT45]

True. Every last one of these changes its easy to give the benefit of the doubt on in a vacuum but altogether while they have more pressing issues to address it just comes off as malicious. When the game came out I was thinking thank god this game doesnt try to force fake difficulty by keeping you from high ground like many other games but slowly but surely the game has swung in the opposite direction. This is 1/1000 ways theyve noticed people succeeding and taken away without any legit reason. It doesnt make the game more fun in any way and just seems like a power trip.

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

It would be WAY too OP if you could bring TWO mechs and swap them back and forth the whole game. Do you not know what "balance" is?! The mechs are the most powerful strategems with being able to kill stuff with more ammo and giving you protection. It's good as is, and the main use of a stratagem is to HELP you, not make you completely invincible and break the game🤦🏻‍♂️

[@KJT45]

@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 None of what you said is true and it would be kind of you to delete your comment to save us all our remaining brain cells and prevent us from becoming stupider by reading this trash. You are commenting on a video that proves you incorrect.

[@ADHD_God5489]

How does a game about killing hordes of aliens and robots manage to make mech suits not fun to use at all?

[@PolishHelldiver]

this new mech is really fun to use and its powerfull bro try it. A lot of dmg armor pen hp and ammo what u want more?

[@Pawsizedcandybar]

They make everything not fun to use, every weapon that has been fun has been nerfed into the ground and when they try and “Buff” the underperforming weapons it’s either a nothing buff or.. Im the Eruptors case, a literal fucking nerf.

[@yenkiwong7980]

@@PolishHelldiver my brother in christ you can't even aim down

[@SAKURA-gt8ns]

@@yenkiwong7980people need their daily dose of copium

[@ema-hx1br]

@@yenkiwong7980 bro what do you want more? Now you are Gona say " could shoot were I'm aiming" don't be silly 🪿😜

[@louiswinterhoff334]

The heavy devastators have INCREDIBLY durable shields, why can't we have mechs using that material?? Mechs should at least be able to resist small arms fire, like from infantry units.

[@justanotheropossumchannel5304]

Yeah, we play and have to strategize against 10 levels of armor. Meanwhile, not even our mechs bounce small arms off of their armor.

[@Cyboogie.the.Cyborg]

Having a mech with a shield and a heavy machine gun would be so dope

[@Deadsnake989]

I think a more important question is why are our exosuits less durable than the chest plate of a basic devastator. Meanwhile the mechs 100 year ago had the same armor level as a charger.

[@lordepichax3755]

Our mechs should be at least as armored as a Hulk.

[@janmoy4670]

Heavy Devastators do not have durable shields. They have invincible shields. Weapons without explosive damage will not hit through that shield.

[@Wip3ou7]

The fact that they released a new mech without first fixing the aiming is so infuriating. I'm an indie game dev, and I know about 5 different ways they could fix this problem. Holy shit. The SIMPLE solution would have been to just turn off the ability for projectiles fired from a mech to interact with the mech that fired it, and limit the allowable angle that a rocket can exit from the launcher so its not shooting sideways. If the projectile owner and the vehicle owner are the same, no collision occurs. But, in my opinion the best solution would be to move the camera to the center of the mech instead of the right side, and then ray-cast from the camera to whatever surface the camera is aiming at, having both weapon arms aim at that spot producing accurate shots with both weapons. Both arms would be adjusting their aim by 50% of the convergence necessary. Right now, the right arm aims along the forward axis of the mech's torso and aligns itself to be the same axis as the camera over time, and the left arm aims parallel to that axis with no convergence (That's why the left weapon misses). Previously, the right arm aligned with the camera and the left arm had 100% of the duty to converge with the right arm's ray-casted aiming position (what the camera is pointing at, and is why this way produced accurate shots from both guns but caused the left gun to shoot itself), ofc they did away with that. Presumably, the advantage of the offset camera would be the ability to see more of what is directly in front of you and would be obstructed by the mech itself, but as it is they don't let you aim downward anyway, so just center the camera. I don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to aim down, though. If you kill yourself by shooting a rocket at your own feet, that's on you. They could also just enable the button that switches the side of the character the camera sits over. You can switch from right to left side camera on foot. Why not in the mech? They could play MechWarrior 5 / MWO for a great example of how to do this properly.

[@Someguy6571]

Yeah its pretty terrible that this kind of crap still persists. Same problem now with the Patriot. I just don't understand. It would aim down before.

[@Gentleni]

😂 work for them and help us 😂

[@crestfallensunbro6001]

one of many: give the off side guns their own little barrel circle so at least players know where the different guns are pointed

[@shemsuhor8763]

***AGAIN*** This isn't even the first time they've done this exact thing. Scopes? Misaligned. Mechs? Don't shoot where you are (apparently) telling them. Guns? They do no damage. Lol

[@declanpollock2475]

don't forget how many issues their having to tackle all at once, it's not easy and all problems aren't going to be done in a snap of the finger.

[@Boamere]

60 durable damage compared to the 300 of the AC turret, or the 260 of the handheld one. It does less damage than the handheld one, what were they thinking!?

[@Someguy6571]

Agreed. It needs to be at least on par with the AC man portable one.

[@rainesorrow1986]

They weren't, and I honestly believe they never have been.

[@kohth5027]

Probably the player can control it so it would be overpowered if it did full damage, and I'm like yeah it should be overpowered it's a vehicle with a 10min cooldown and limited uses.

[@Boamere]

@@kohth5027 Exactly, such a limited resource should be OP

[@user-ve3fz3bm7z]

regular ac is lower penetration, so a lot of the time it does 130 durable, then the mech is supposed to fire 2 bullets simultaneous they probably thought they want similar time to kill than the shoulder fired one

[@soybean9098]

I already see people talking about how insane it is for the next 3 days, then everyone forgetting it exists in like 2 weeks.

[@santy6486]

just like the other one

[@soybean9098]

@@santy6486 Patriot was quite good against bugs at the beginning its just the shadow nerfed it and made the reticle not function killing enjoyability.

[@achillesa5894]

@@santy6486 Patriot was really good when it came out - then Alexus saw us having fun and decided to ""fix"" it by misaligning it, making it so it can't shoot down, and also nerfing the rocket damage...

[@Phynellius]

@@achillesa5894 they did the rocket damage nerf in a sneaky way though, by changing the penetration value used when meeting the armor limit. I don't understand why the mech rockets aren't allowed to do the same damage as a recoilless shot, would have made it worth using

[@Nartanek]

2 weeks? I tried it once, got bored with how little ammo it has and how little damage it does as well as being made out of tissue paper and forgot it even existed already.

[@Lionheart40529]

Us: The auto-cannon turret performs better than the exosuit Arrowhead: You're so right! *nerfs auto-cannon turret to make them in line*

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

They’ve still yet to nerf the handheld AC thankfully

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

This mech suit is awesome! It shreds any automaton unit, and it can take down Bile Titans and have plenty of ammo left, unlike the old mech using its rockets and only having a machine gun that bounces off of stuff. It's not terrible at all, because it's so useful!

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

By the way you have that backwards. You can fully control the mech, with multiple autocannons. The sentry only fires at random things and often kills you and teammates

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 we found the one guy who managed to get around the pre-nerf

[@enatsu_shiroi]

@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 nice copy paste job

[@Tracker947]

Wait, Bile Titans take LESS damage while spewing?! Yet another small asinine design choice among many 🤣

[@reyes7198]

Right? I could've sworn before that was the moment to shoot so it dies quick

[@berserkerpride]

Because their head hitbox phases into their body one. So the head stops taking hits.

[@justanotheropossumchannel5304]

@@berserkerpride is that when it preps to spew or during the spew?

[@DustyOrange]

​@@justanotheropossumchannel5304 During, the forehead is the weakspot to kill it with EAT/Recoilless/Quasar. The forehead clips into the body for the entire duration of spew, making it harder to 2-shot the Bile Titan.

[@MrJohannson]

It hides the brain inside the body, hitting its jaw does very little. Gotta shoot the brain

[@seventwo7223]

It’s like they want us to stop playing…

[@Reader99220]

I'm pretty sure they do, at this point I'm almost sad I didn't just put in for a refund from steam and am close to uninstalling.

[@taoday118]

Indeed rhey do want us to stop playing. And guess what - I did

[@Thesavagesouls]

Been almost two weeks, i'm waiting for El famoso patch that is supposed to fix everything.

[@PolishHelldiver]

@@Reader99220 guys this new mech is powerfull and really good. Heavy armor penetration a lot of ammo huge dmg and its really tanky and fun to use. Please tell me what u want more? Come on boys, they did good job this time dont complain once

[@Gioreadercharmander]

Please cope more what crack are you smoking?

[@NoNo-xh7ru]

Well, there goes the thing that was gonna bring me back. God forbid they make the game fun.

[@achillesa5894]

Same dude. It doesn't look exciting to use at all.

[@matthewjennings1523]

Can't even run both mechanics and do a mech build... fun police strike again

[@glaciarch6424]

Same. I’m going back to DRG lol

[@nocommentarygaming2644]

At least a huge balance patch is coming soon and it sounds like Pilestedt is in on it this time. If they screw up this patch, I'm done.

[@shanedog007]

@@glaciarch6424 Fuck em, I am not coming back, not after that Sony PS account shit

[@koggle5213]

did buddy just un purchase the mech at the very end

[@ema-hx1br]

Hahahahahahaha made me laugh so hard

[@rektgaming8392]

copers are trying to justify why using 25 shots on a bile titan head is fun. That's 1/3 your entire ammo. WEAKER than Autocannon Sentry. They dont understand that logic.

[@arizonaanalog389]

Because they play on difficulty 4 where you can take 3min to kill 1 Bile Titan

[@nihili4196]

Not for long, if constant spawn buffs are to go off of

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

Have you even PLAYED Helldivers? The autocannon isn't a full anti-tank weapon anyway. But with more of them and not having to reload, it's more powerful. It CAN kill Bile Titans. You can expect to one shot the bulkiest enemy unit and kill everything else like the autocannon normally does. It's perfectly balanced and it can kill ANYTHING in the game and have extra ammo which is the good part. You can't expect to just one-shot everything on a mech with more ammo. The Emancipator is a great ALL AROUND mech.

[@jooot_6850]

@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 COPE COPE COPE EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH HE THINKS THE BUGGY UNFINISHED MECH IS FINE GYAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

[@kokorochacarero8003]

@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 it takes TWENTY FIVE HEADSHOTS. We dodn't want it to ONESHOT bile titans. But at least make it 6 or 10 TWENTY FUCKING FIVE TO THE HEAD WHILE OTHER TWO TITANS, 4 CHARGERS AND A HUGE SWARM OF OTHER BUGS COME AT YOU IS A BIT MUCH

[@dukeof2499]

new patch: "mech no longer destroy bushes"

[@ldcnu]

"Mechs ragdolls with the rocks on the map"

[@convergence1point]

ALEXUS strikes again!

[@MrJohannson]

The dude plays on Trivial and thinks he's the "Bringer of Balance". His comments also indicate that he's playing on the dev build only. Imagine working on a game and not actually playing it for enjoyment...

[@wanderingwisp4542]

Why can’t they just fire the guy? Man he’s gonna tank the game at this rate. 😒

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

What? You mean Joel. The guy that everyone talks about of being the all powerful Overlord in charge of the game.

[@arandomguyfromnowhere9939]

@@fuzzyotterpaws4395Joel is the guy who does the story

[@ace_does_internet_stuff1817]

​@@fuzzyotterpaws4395 Joel is more like the game master. He controls the events and general war campaign. Alexus is the "lead balance dev". If you have a problem with how things are balanced, he's the guy to blame.

[@user-yv1bf4rx7r]

Mechs should be literally immune to attacks from chaff enemies

[@davidballantyne4492]

got killed by scavengers as I tried to stomp them last night :(

[@icata12345]

you are a helldiver in a big mechanic suit made of steel and you get slapped by 10 willburs

[@joshfritz5345]

They almost are. They can absorb dozens of hits from bot rifles with no visible damage, they can even tank a few rocket hits. The only thing that really kills them easily are cannons carried by tanks, gun towers and factory striders.

[@JKurayami]

They should give us like a second to eject when the suit dies. But also, they should have us be able to enable a Hell-bomb styled self destruct on it.

[@graycatsaderow]

Imp gw2

[@kohth5027]

The thing is you could in the first game vehicles had a bleed out state allowing you to bail out of them. The husk also acted like a decoy.

[@jooot_6850]

Protocol 3. Protect the Pilot.

[@ZephyrKitten742]

It'd be sweet if once you ran out of ammo you got a booster option + self destruct, a la D.Va's ult from Overwatch. Just a way to get one final use out of the mech once you'd depleted its main weapons. Just having to ditch the mech and see it sadly sit there after it's out of ammo is so disappointing.

[@zakkmarchant]

They should also add something like that for the hmg emplacement I'm so sick of getting instantly killed by one stray rocket that would usually do only 30% of my health or a mortar explosion that's just barely in the radius of the hmg emplacement

[@cold_ultra]

Alexus is so scared of fun, if you show him the PLG 40mm with the hyper propelant or nuke overclocks from DRG he will probably faint and wake up with PTSD

[@youdontneedmyrealname]

TDLR: It's a piece of shit.

[@RichSmithson]

I was going to jump back into HD2 today. Don’t think il bother now.

[@BackwardsPancake]

The best I can say for it is that it's playable against bugs - About the same efficiency as the Patriot in general, slightly better efficiency at killing Spewers, and it can also close bug holes with every shot. But this comes at the cost of being really inefficient against Titans. The core problem is still the same as with the Patriot too: With how restrictive the cooldown and use limits are, I would have expected way more of a power spike or at least more sustain from it. It's a change of pace, but for sheer efficiency, it just doesn't hold a candle to other stratagem options. And of course it's a deathtrap against bots, because it's a big slow target that's too cumbersome to efficiently use cover, the bots have several units that can one-shot-snipe it out of nowhere, and on any difficulty where you'd actually need its firepower the sheer amount of incoming fire will usually hose it down in seconds.

[@Mr_Jish]

I'm for one entirely too distracted by "Too Didn't Long Read" 😂

[@Tamachii12]

@@BackwardsPancake TLDR: it is a piece of shit like the patriot, why bother sacrificing one stratagem slot for a glorified nerfed AC turret with legs on a 10min cd with 2 uses only ?

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

Not true at all. This mech suit is awesome! It shreds any automaton unit, and it can take down Bile Titans and have plenty of ammo left, unlike the old mech using its rockets and only having a machine gun that bounces off of stuff. It's not terrible at all, because it's so useful!

[@pensive8552]

Major order achieved! Fun successfully mitigated.

[@ema-hx1br]

Hahahahahahaha lmao

[@joshfritz5345]

The Emancipator is legit a good strategm. It's excellent at sweeping the skies of gunships, and it can mow down huge hordes of devastators and scout striders.

[@herosupport1606]

some other people have pointed out that the weapon has armor pen 5 and the damage is 300 and only does 60 structure damage so it's going to absolutely suck againts things you want to use it againts like chargers, bile titans, factory striders and anything else that uses structure over normal. auto cannon sentry 300 normal and 300 structure. auto cannon 260 normal 260 structure.

[@Ka0ziun]

I think the word you are looking for is "against".

[@Underground3]

The fact that the Autocannon sentry dish out more damage then this. Shows the clown state of this game balance.

[@herosupport1606]

@@Ka0ziun ty fixed it :)

[@cd8086]

It doesn’t suck versus chargers or factory striders tho? Charger is 8-10 shots (4-5 double shots) same as strider. Only biles are annoying as it takes 1/3 of your ammo to kill them…

[@eskeladder7751]

​@@Underground3 a 3min cool down sentry vs a 10 min cooldown with 2 uses only startegem. You would think the second would be alot better 😂😂😂

[@trashduck]

Doesn't even stagger the titans. This must be one of Alexus's final hurrahs before Piles took over.

[@maxaudet5177]

Pretty sure they pulled the thing from storage without really working on it. Must've been already that way before the MO was even planned

[@NotLegallyAGeologist]

i genuinely don't think it's supposed to be used to nuke titans and only titans besides you have teammates, ask them to pack something that can damage the titans

[@trashduck]

@@NotLegallyAGeologist The other two auto cannon examples were capable of staggering the titans before the balance guy started irrationally adjusting stagger on the only enemies people would care to stagger. Which are those above chaffe which had abilities you would want to interrupt. There’s some tone deafness in the common rebuttal being “Ask a friend to bring something that can do the thing you think should happen with the thing you’re using”.

[@NotLegallyAGeologist]

@trashduck i mean fair point i don't really have an intelligent response to that

[@Error-mn4el]

im genuinly baffled by how bad the balancing is in this game, honestly if i had the option i wouldnt mind just playing the release version of the game, sure the build diversity was meh but at the least the meta was fun to use, granted, without the ps5 bug killing titans was a bit irritating but whatever, the titans have only gotten worse over time so it would still be an improvement ironically enough (no seriously, why the hell are they tankier when vommiting, what kind of a psychopath decided that this was a good idea?)

[@tehevilengineer7939]

Have you seen how convaluted the damage system is for the game. I can garrentee most of the designers don't fully understand how it works and the aren't design docks to make template guns/enemies.

[@Boamere]

It HAS to be malicious at this point, I genuinely believe that alexus hates "gamers" and wants to make them suffer. Either that or he and his team is so incompetent that it doesn't make sense.

[@Error-mn4el]

@@tehevilengineer7939 my knowledge goes as far as knowing that apparently armor pen goes from 1 to 10, granted this tells me nothing because i dont know which weapon has which armor pen level but oh well

[@RichSmithson]

@@Boamereprobably time the community rail agains this Alexus guy. He’s doing more damage then Sony at this point.

[@KJT45]

@@RichSmithsonI want to be against targeting someone personally but at some point it has to be done if the powers that be at AH are going to give him this long making this terrible decisions when they should already know ablut the other game he ruined.

[@Althir1992]

The former CEO should have fired the whole "Balance" dev team before he stepped down...

[@FrostyPixelsOG]

He stepped down to CCO, so he *should* have more power now. Fingers crossed they fix it soon. It was so great until about March.

[@ghoulbuster1]

Don't worry, the new CEO will add plenty if paid DLC!

[@SavageThoughtz1]

@@ghoulbuster1 new dlc is a bad thing huh? More content so bad ☹️

[@bringbackpluto4134]

@@SavageThoughtz1 r/whoosh

[@SavageThoughtz1]

@@bringbackpluto4134no sir i get it…i just dont get how people complain about optional dlcs unless they are priced ridiculously high

[@JacketBurger]

I heard it was pre nerfed from long ago, not surprised…

[@arizonaanalog389]

They for sure had enough time to fix it before this major order. People need to realize these devs have their vision and anything they say to us is lip service

[@zenks5883]

@@arizonaanalog389 it's defo a bug not a feature but i agree, hopefuy former CEO will fix balance, im waiting for that patch, and for now i just got bored of using 2 same guns every time so i stopped (everything else feels like im shootin myself in the foot)

[@arizonaanalog389]

​@zenks5883 honestly stop with the bug thing. It's an excuse the devs use to avoid being criticized and the community parrots it. The exosuit has been the exact same since the leaks. It's working as intended. The Eruptor isn't bugged either its doing exactly what the patch notes intended. The devs are just bad at designing a fun game. Period. Done giving them excuses.

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@arizonaanalog389 Their vision is ass and nobody likes playing that way.

[@PolishHelldiver]

it wasnt pre nerfed

[@sebastiansilva6058]

Yoo they dropped a peashooter mech

[@apisitprasan8766]

Which one?

[@joshfritz5345]

Try the thing out, it actually tears shit up. It can take out a hulk in like 5 seconds.

[@FrozenRaven-uh3kb]

​@@joshfritz5345bile titans and striders is were the problems are

[@joshfritz5345]

@@FrozenRaven-uh3kb It kills factory striders in 10 seconds if you aim for weak points.

[@unfortunatecircumstances8870]

​@@joshfritz5345So do some primaries lmao

[@Boamere]

I really feel you at the end there, I'm wondering if alexus is actively doing this on purpose.

[@nonyabusiness890]

Not to go all conspiracy theory here but I have often thought this. For some reason many of the woke hate this game and most game devs are woke as hell. Would not surprise me if some devs, CM's and even Sony hope this game fails to stick it to the chuds.

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

He absolutely is, he did this before with Hello Neighbor 2. IDK what lies he’s been feeding Arrowhead about what he’s doing, but Pilesdt or the new CEO needs to kick him off before he adds another game to the list he ruined for the sake of how HE, not the players, thinks the game should be

[@DarthTitanGaming]

Arrowhead: "It's all coming pre-nerfed so they can't complain about it."

[@Bober077]

In first game mecs feel good - they are beefy and powerful, but in the second game they are useless and clunky. Also why did they change original design of mecs from first game?!

[@justanotheropossumchannel5304]

no idea. they legit had a perfect template to launch off from in the first game. All they had to do was mirror that and balance to the game being over the shoulder. This whole game was a massive fumble and im just gunna say, their first fk up was hiring that alexus guy.

[@Someguy6571]

They are not changed though. The EXO-44 stomper (now named Patriot), is the same thing as the first game. Without the stratagem launcher of course. And the emancipator (formally known as the EXO-48 Obsidian). I feel the EXO-51 Lumberer is the next mech to possibly make an appearance.

[@shemsuhor8763]

"It's the same thing except for that it's not" Lol. Lmao even.

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

This mech suit is awesome! It shreds any automaton unit, and it can take down Bile Titans and have plenty of ammo left, unlike the old mech using its rockets and only having a machine gun that bounces off of stuff. It's not terrible at all, because it's so useful!

[@jooot_6850]

In the first week of release the game was fun. I don't know quite how they managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[@YureiOni]

It’s like you’re at work and you’re waiting to play the game. You get home and start playing the game just to wait more time to play the game with these cooldowns. It’s a game. Make it fun.

[@jooot_6850]

they somehow unmade it fun

[@eris7472]

I left Hell Divers a couple weeks ago. Just tired of the same tired content,recycling the same old armor effects,and them nerfing the fun out of the game. This gameplay doesn’t give me any enthusiasm to return unfortunately. Thanks for what you do and the content you make for the community Dough, but I honestly don’t think they care about what the community wants at this point. So sad that a game that I loved so much has fallen to such a sorry state.

[@vini7539]

Hold your horses fellow diver, Pilestedt is cooking up a patch that hopefully arrives tuesday or wednesday that'll un-nerf a lot of shit back to their former glory. If they somehow fuck that up, then by all means it is your right to leave.

[@Boamere]

@@vini7539 Do we know that it's coming next week? I will hold until then, but I haven't played for a month

[@robcall8660]

me too ... been about 2 weeks or so ... what suck is my initial impression was "holy shit this is the best game I've played in _years_" and I haven't been able to get back there. Death by a thousand cuts and folks are finally bleeding out ... the scaffolding for something extraordinary is there but I don't think Arrowhead has the resources to capitalize and the growing pains are evident. Better problem to have than a flop but if they don't figure it out they'll lose THE opportunity of this (or any, really) live-service generation.

[@justanotheropossumchannel5304]

@@robcall8660 I havent actually played since the sony thing. The nerfs on top of 1/5 of my discord being Filipino, im legit the only person even logging into claim medals. I dont dive at all anymore.

[@Pr0m3th310us]

​@vini7539 dude I been hearing that the mythical Pilestedt will come save us for a solid month now. At this point I no longer have any faith in empty words

[@youngaspi]

FIRE ALEXUS ALREADY

[@beh256]

Speaking facts

[@RichSmithson]

Reddit need to start a new Sony style campaign against this guy. Otherwise I don’t even think the illuminate will bring people back.

[@denhawken]

Don't like it leave.. Give alexus a raise because he's showing how much yall are just sjw children

[@jjprs3062]

Maybe not fire him but demote him far enough down the chain so that atleast a person with a brain can first oversee his inputs and perform quality control.

[@quanlinglingdingle6122]

​@@jjprs3062just demote him to janitor at this point, dude ruined 2 games now

[@25xxfrostxx]

Whenever the devs talk about "fantasy" I want to vomit. My "fantasy" is to play a PvE game and not feel like I'm the bottom. The (former) CEO saying he wants to get some time for the team to actually play the game is pretty telling.

[@rainesorrow1986]

I'm not even surprised they managed to fuck this up. It's expected of them to be nothing but colossal fuck ups at this point.

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

Blame Alexus, this isn’t the first game he’s “balanced” into oblivion

[@SovietUnion_]

​@l1ghtd3m0n3 no its the entire studio to blame. You can't just make one guy make all decisions regarding balance without consulting with others to the point where even CEO goes : "Yeah we f%&%d up"

[@joshfritz5345]

Dude, the Emancipator rocks, this guy is retarded.

[@GooiYingChyi]

Wow, you are more frank than other KZbinrs! "Terrible;" not just "is it good?", or "it is not that good".

[@ema-hx1br]

Bro one of them is telling for 20 minutes that this mech is insane while laughing about how much beautiful it is

[@GooiYingChyi]

@@ema-hx1br it is, if you have all 4 players using it against a single bile titan, you can down it pretty quickly. We won a Helldive evacuate essential personnel mission with 6 minutes left. All using mech 99% of the time.

[@ema-hx1br]

@@GooiYingChyi yeah 4 of them but in the video he is the only one, I'm sure 4 mech became good

[@sidekic1109]

@@GooiYingChyi most weapons become good when you have 4 of them focus firing one target

[@NorthzYT]

Yeah Autocannon is just more fun to use, I like not being a big slow moving target and being able to trust my reticle somewhat.

[@jooot_6850]

They should give us something more like power armor from Fallout 4 as a stratagem. Allows you to move mostly like a normal person, but maybe with medium armor and far less recoil on stuff like the HMG and Autocannon. Basically turning your Helldiver into a Devastator equivalent. That would be too much fun though, I can see why they wouldn't want to implement that.

[@redshift_j29]

Dude you just said everything I've been thinking ever since the patrol buff patch that ruined the fkn game for me

[@nonyabusiness890]

Same here the patrol buff "fix" destroyed any enjoyment I had for this game.

[@Notfunnygamer-ne1db]

yeah I don't even know what they did but there was helldive before the patch and there is helldive after the patch. straight cancer to play now, non stop rocket devastators just eating my lunch lmao.

[@bridgebaxter1425]

60 durable damage on the emancipator is just ridiculous

[@LaserTractor]

I'd be 20% less mad if they've TOLD US that it's not gonna be same autocannon that is mounted on sentry variant. But nah, same model, just damage vs some enemy parts is FIVE TIMES LESS!!!

[@apersonthatis7007]

Alexus getting his payback for hello neighbor 2 once again

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

More like doing the same thing again

[@JulioLopez-jj8pi]

I just don´t get it, what is the problem of being ¨over power¨ in a PVE game where you just want to play for fun?

[@ema-hx1br]

There right there you said already, the problem is the fun

[@bruteng836]

If it gets too overpowered, it gets less fun. The game has to be at least a bit of a challenge. That being said, holy SHIT they need to hire a new balance team. They have just been nerfing and nerfing and nerfing until 99% of your arsenal just shoots BBs.

[@ali6ism]

Yeah I don't get it. In other games I love it when they have a God mode and you just go around destroying everything, that's actually fun for me

[@johnnybgoode8104]

The stats on these were posted a while ago. It goes god awful against armor..Its better to bring the sentry

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

And the sentry has a lower cooldown and no usage restrictions. If you put it in a safe spot, it can absolutely go to town.

[@jooot_6850]

@@Spectacular_Insanity Curious how the mech doesn't just have 2 sentries bolted onto its shoulders. Must've been too fun or something.

[@SPACE_BOOOOOST]

Now that we have the guy from Paradox as the new CEO, it's only a matter of time before they release a paid DLC that allows you to actually shoot where you aim.

[@dineshsadhwani3717]

Ammunition Guided by Managed Democracy DLC pack

[@maxaudet5177]

I heard the guy was already out the door when Paradox switched their marketing to the dlc heavy focus Plus Johan is still chairman of the board so I doubt that's gonna happen

[@valenkierkegaarde3824]

The only thing emancipator works it's for me to emancipate from the game

[@PolishHelldiver]

Bro this mech is really good whats the problem? It has a lot of dmg armor penetration ammo and hp they did really good job

[@valenkierkegaarde3824]

@@PolishHelldiver LMFAO no. - Can't aim down. - Doesn't have first person, nor combat interface (Titanfall for example), which makes shots inaccurate sometimes, plus limited ammo :) - Oneshotted often by pinpoint accuracy cannons - Not a single countermeasure like dodge or armor - Long ass cooldown - Often bugged by terrain - Lack of utility - Boring Why would I use that mech when I can do better with an autocannon? You are the reason we can't have nice things.

[@givenchymamajama3859]

@@valenkierkegaarde3824 I think you’re the reason 😂

[@valenkierkegaarde3824]

@@givenchymamajama3859 I assume by the "you too" and the emoji you're under 18 yo so I can't be mean to you. Also don't think too much I don't want you to have a bad case of brain hemorrhage.

[@valenkierkegaarde3824]

@@givenchymamajama3859 Can't take a chap like you seriously lol

[@sebk3640]

Mechs are just flawed at a base level. Honestly, what they should do is make it where you can only call in one mech, but you have the ability, much like eagle one, to recall the mech back to the super destroyer to be repair and rearmed. This would allow the mechs to be used alot more in missions, reward good players for not letting the mech get destroyed as they only have one, while making sure they can't be spammed. Apart from that, the auto cannons on the mech should be stronger then the regular auto cannon, one identical but 4 of them. Alternatively, a more wild change me and my friends thought of, keep the mech as one stratagem but one you can customize, allowing interesting hybrids of what we have, like a missle/auto cannon mech.

[@bruteng836]

THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING. ITS SUCH AN OBVIOUS MOVE TO BE ABLE TO CUSTOMIZE THE MECHS LIKE ARROWHEAD PLEASE IM ON MY KNEES

[@wifflewaffel]

120 shots per arm, more damage, and a fix to where the left arm doesnt aim correctly would be a great start for the yellow transformer

[@craigrobbins2463]

great, now I have to call it Bumble Bee from now on.

[@Psychedel1x]

technically, you CAN aim with left arm, you just need to swap the camera from right shoulder to the left (mouse button 4 by default I think). It is working with Patriot mech. Problem with emancipator is you want both arms shooting at the same time for better dps and if you do that you cant aim another arm

[@quanlinglingdingle6122]

Too bad, we will get 60 shots per arm, nerf the damage and HP, because alexus the incel still in AH office

[@HenryDorsettCase]

It's incredible how consistent AH is.

[@LydianMelody]

28 shots to the head on the bile titan? Wait but you were firing both guns so 56 shots??? That is MENTAL.

[@OhDough]

I was probably missing a bit but it's definitely an investment considering multiple titans spawn. mechs don't have the fun factor or the power to make me think about using them > other stratagems.

[@LydianMelody]

I love Arrowhead and I’m absolutely rooting for them, but I feel like they really need to rethink how they play test.

[@ShahabSheikhzadeh]

@@OhDough you were missing less than other youtubers. I keep seeing people post Crazymrpipz 's video as evidence of how bad this is, but he keeps hitting side armor and hitting other parts of the body and it took him 10-20 more shots.

[@user-bm7mo2ck6r]

Just give us more ammo man why are the devs so obsessed with making ammo low

[@DUDEDUDE33]

Another disappointment, I'm tired boss..........

[@denhawken]

Don't like it leave.. do it now...

[@huevote9474]

@@denhawkenKeep on fighting the good fight for Arrowhead! Maybe they will let you drink their spit if you defend them enough.

[@bruteng836]

​@@denhawken The last person who said that was the Battlefield V PR team. Did not end well for them.

[@heidedgar]

@@denhawken less players to fight the war...you must be on some silly juice.

[@denhawken]

@heidedgar 😆 🤣 😂 again don't like it leave.. there are more people playing hd2 now than b4 all the bs drama.. Now either nut up or shut up

[@KawaiiPotat0]

another s tier stratagem from alexus

[@DocDictator]

Takibo posted data comparing the damage this mech does in comparison to the Autocannon Support weapon and the Turret and in summary the mech does the same damage as the turret, but only against light or non armored units... A crude and simplified explanation: There are 2 damage values in the game, Normal Damage and Durable Damage, normal damage is the base damage which is applied to any non armored unit and Durable damage is the amount that goes through armor to reach the target HP. (there are extra considerations related to Armor Pierce 1 to 5 but those would only complicated this explanation) The Autocannon Weapon and Sentry Stratagems have equal values on both damage types, 260 and 300 respectively, but the mech has 300 normal damage and only 60 durable damage. When firing against fully armored parts, instead of deflecting the shots you do register them but dealing only 1/5th of your base damage, you get the visual feedback of damaging the target, but it takes a thousand years to destroy it. So basically speaking: This mech is shait vs Rushing Light Units (Wilburs, Hunters, Blade bots and Jetpack bots), because they rush you down and you cant fire at targets too close to you; This mech is shait vs Heavily Armored Units (Chargers, Bile Titans, Hulks, Factory Striders), because it only deals 1/5th of the damage against them; Making it useful only against Medium Class enemies (Both Spewers, Brood Commanders, Hive Warriors, Hive Guardians, All Devastators) exclusively at mid to long range, it also closes down bug nests, explodes factories and can take down most objectives the Autocannon support wapon is capable of.

[@Tamachii12]

AKA don't bother with it, -1 less stratagem to use on higher difficulties.

[@ForkliftCertify]

"emancipator is broken!" *shows mangled emancipator on the floor*

[@quanlinglingdingle6122]

Yep literally "broken"

[@Betoni]

Havent played since the winter warbond came out, looks like it stays that way for a while. God i wish i could be a fly on the wall in their meetings at the studio so i could understand the logic behind some of these decisions.

[@elcarlosjosegonzalesrodrig2837]

16:00 It honestly feels like they never wanted a player base this big so now they just ruin it until the player count drops below 10k like on helldivers 1 Or all of the balancing team just for some reason started to hate the playerbase in april

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

I think that was around the time Alexus was made lead balance dev

[@elcarlosjosegonzalesrodrig2837]

@@l1ghtd3m0n3 xD

[@EntropicalZSR]

I used it one time and immediately realized it was bad when 3 of us shot at a bile Titan and it took like. 30 mags from everyone to kill it. I’ve shot them head on and nothing has happened

[@arizonaanalog389]

Anyone that doesn't play on 8 or 9 can't understand that there needs to be way more avenues to deal with Bile Titans QUICKLY. Arrowhead imo has drawn a line in the sand and it's clear. They want artificial difficulty and they'll make you as weak as possible to achieve that.

[@Brakka86]

I'll take the Spear any day over this thing..

[@Faceball12]

The question the devs should be asking is, “Why bring this over a 500kg or rail cannon strike?” Right now there’s no reason to bring this exo suit cuz 500kg can do both mob and anti tank and rail cannon completely out paces it damage

[@Zambicus]

The CEO did say a week or two ago that they probably made stuff too weak recently. Takes some time to actually implement things based on that (but yeah, that time *is* ticking)

[@quanlinglingdingle6122]

New buffs : add more mags New nerfs : NERF EVERYTHING

[@steamlink4803]

what I also noticed against the bots: Every bot that has a lign of sight to the exosuit gets aggro on you, even if they are across the map.

[@tomyorke3412]

The CEO demoted himself to become the head of the balance team and have the final say in things and this is what they do...

[@LaserTractor]

He never said he's joining the good guys side😂

[@quanlinglingdingle6122]

​@@LaserTractorremember, they will never nerf autocannon because pielsted loves it

[@mik0z474]

legit havent touch the game for 2 weeks.

[@quanlinglingdingle6122]

Sony wounded its reputation hard and alexus the dumbf*ck ruined the game even more Havent touch this sh*t for a month now and this vid convinced me to uninstall the game

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

I'm at the point of giving up to be honest. The big balance patch better be amazing for me to not just move on permanently.

[@crestfallensunbro6001]

IMO for mechs they should have two of the little circles one for each side and just let them be separate, lets people work around the guns not being aligned. A way to resupply the mechs would be awesome, maybe if the statagum button in the mech let you call in a mech resupply with the resupply code while in a mech

[@Faceball12]

It would be cool if there was refill stations on the map

[@circleofsorrow4583]

Or maybe if the developers were competent they could make the cannons converge on the target. Mechwarrior games have been doing it for the last 30 years.

[@crestfallensunbro6001]

@@circleofsorrow4583 long term obviously that would be what's needed, I mean as like a hotfix

[@user-kz3fl7bq3n]

if theres spit in my food, i dont forgive the chef, if the food is burnt and i get sick they should be fired no questions ask.

[@motodrang4287]

I’ve left this game about two weeks ago and went back to darktide. A game where 95% of the weapons have a place. Seeing this mech in action gives me no reason to return.

[@RagnaRebellion]

It's because they never truly fixed the aiming with the exo suits. They f*****d it up when they "fixed" the self death with the rockets and destroyed the aim with it. And it still hasn't been acknowledged

[@15daflynn]

You can currently bring 2 mechs, but it's most definitely a bug. By selecting your first mech and then selecting a sentry (like the Machine Gun), then backing out and replacing the sentry with the other mech type, you can take both. Enjoy your 6 mechs today, or at least try to, but it'll probably get fixed soon.

[@cold_ultra]

Probably will, they fix bugs that are beneficial to players way faster than more serious issues like spear lockon, scope alignment, etc...

[@ema-hx1br]

@@cold_ultra they even fixed some fun on the tutorial before fixing all this stuff imagine their priority was to fix som Fun from the tutorial

[@cold_ultra]

@ema-hx1br yeah, I just don't get it... you have this big ass list of stuff to fix. And there are the 4 random items: players can sometimes get 8 grenades, players can drop on high ground, charger brake animation is bugged, bots shoot through the walls. Two of those game breaking bugs were fixed, you can guess which ones

[@ItsNorthernStar]

Bro, this was my FAVORITE stratagem in HD1. This "mech" is a complete downgrade, holy shit. This is actually useless. Takes way too long to kill basic enemies, has next to ZERO meaningful ammo, and is even misaligned. It's probably running off the same logic as the Patriot, since it would probably kill itself with a single shot of its cannon like how the Patroit was able to hit its own body by turning too fast. I haven't touched this game in weeks and the last time I played I couldn't even stand the game long enough to do the long sessions I used to do around release. I went from 6 hour long game sessions and racking up nearly 300 hours while working a full-time job in about a month and a half to barely finishing a single operation a day to never wanting to play again. This game has had a massive fall from grace, and I'm just immensely disappointed in this game and AH

[@mrbigglezworth42]

In other news, Earth Defense Force 6 should be releasing sometime soon in the West. Wait for that if you want to shoot a lot of bugs and aliens and actually have fun doing it.

[@petercottantail7850]

July 25th is what Google said is the release, dgr season 5 will be some time in june atleast. i just wanted this game to last till eldenring dlc next month 😫

[@balex55lp]

Devs killing the fun again

[@TheRealName7]

Takes about 70 bullets in mission to kill a titan with all the other crap making you miss a few shots in between. In the most ideal scenario it probably takes 50.

[@OTBASH]

"This is Weeny Hut Jr difficulty." lmao I fuckin love that.

[@Reviitox]

You *are* able to strip the charagers leg armor, but it still takes a lot of rounds

[@lukedavis3408]

The issue is how the camera, It's aiming below where it shows as the weapons are below the horizontal axis. 0:25 play on quarter speed for the three seconds. The way that the gun is interfacing with the player camera is creating this off axis issue. It was extremely noticeable in the machine gun on the other exosuit. Players just didn't have to care as you had 1000 rounds to play with. Personally the only issue i had was the rockets blowing me up and improperly tracking directional rotation. In conclusion. It appears the Exosuits, are camera based shooting, while primary secondary and support firearms track barrel to target. And the camera based axis is off in only engine based calculation. Probably 1 to 4 degrees, which as we see here makes a massive difference, below 20 meters.

[@isaaccallaghan4585]

Another W form Ohdough. Top tier content man. Thank you for giving us a voice against this bullshit. I can’t believe Alexus is still allowed to balance shit. Mind boggling

[@smokyjo5245]

Man's had it up to HERE with these updates

[@skylarc6063]

This game is on its way out. EDF 6 is going to slaughter it.

[@Ryansorenson99]

Wow what a surprise fuck this game I’ve never seen a dev self destruct a game this bad they shouldn’t of released it if it was garbage they should have known better with how hostile we are right now I’m losing hope in this game all together

[@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke]

It is the low durable damage that is killing it. That it inherited the patriot rocket's aiming issue is annoying though.

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

That's one thing. Crappy aiming like with the Patriot is also a major issue. Both mechs also need a big durability buff to be worth using against bots.

[@YamatoCannon985]

You can equip both exosuits, its just buggy right now.

[@davidweaver4436]

Exo-suit aim has been a huge issue since they started messing with the rocket launcher on the Patriot. I basically stopped using the first Exo after that happened. Now the second one apparently has the same problem. It's pretty sad that I kinda preferred the version of the Exo suit that could blow itself up. At least it could aim where I wanted it to.

[@Tamachii12]

You'd have hellbomb with legs.

[@Heinskitz]

- Fix object distance detection to correct weapon accuracy - Give UI indication of where gun are ACTUALLY aiming - Allow 1st person aiming - Provide basic zoom magnification All of these changes don't even re-balance the mech -which it would likely still need- they just allow a player to use it effectively (a.k.a. within what would be expected). If you can only engage bugs without getting melted within seconds by bots, at least allow the player to engage at reasonable distances. Ultimately it needs better DMG to ammo ratio, accuracy (a given) and improved armour.

[@Historyrevenge777]

Maybe if they just bring back weapon and vehicle upgrades we could raise the power of stuff by choosing AP rounds larger mags ect it worked just fine on HD1. We dont need 3 mechs just let us choose what arms to install on it then people can customise beforehand

[@castlesbard1547]

Or... before adding that back, we could have actually *good* equipment so those upgrades wouldn't just get sucked into mediocre weapons/armors and used as a reason that X is too powerful and needs tuning downwards.

[@Kenny-yu6gc]

This mech head-on against a tank is terrible. It'd take at least half the ammo to destroy a tank from the front, around half if you hit its sides, from the back is as expected. But the time it'd take to get around to its flank takes too long, and the tank would most likely take the mech out in one shot long before you can get behind it and your practically sitting ducks against the automatons above a certain difficulty (diff). I think if vehicles had the ability to resupply and repair, we could make do with how weak it is for higher difficulties. Thinking the patriot exo is the entry-level mech for all-round use, the emancipator for medium-armored enemies and chaff, and who knows, maybe we'll get a dedicated AT mech/vehicle for heavy armor enemies. Pretty sure balancing has been so bad because the balancing team devs play strictly diff 4 or 5 at max where there's very little chance for chargers, BTs, and tanks, so everything has been balanced around that diff so far.

[@berserkerpride]

Its fun against bots but you need a recoiless or quasar to take out tanks and cannon turrets. Mech can't do jack from the front as you say.

[@D-S-G.]

The ap has to be a bug. If this mech's guns had the same Ap as the turret, it would be amazing, and even with the handheld, it will be solid against medium targets. As of now, the ap feels effectively the same as a Liberator Penetrator.

[@juan0808]

The problem is not the penetration that is actually higher and on the same level as the sentry. The problem is a secondary damage type calculated against armored targets that's way way lower than other cannons. That's why it takes so many rounds to down titans and other heavy targets.

[@Popsickle666]

It's because they gave it low durable damage for some reason

[@lustreaux]

it deals less than half the durable damage per shot than the autocannon turret or handheld autocannon

[@herosupport1606]

it does the same damage has the sentry turret(300) except for structure damage which is only 60 on the mech where the sentry does the full amount of 300

[@Octi-ku4yf]

Both have level 5 AP but they do very different durable damage

[@jalontf2]

I was cautiously optimistic about this mech. Imagine my surprise standing on the edge of a heavy bug nest and realizing I couldn't shoot the bugs down inside 🙃

[@fallout1116]

This mech suit has actually been "in the game" (in the code but just not accessible) since early April, possibly longer. No work has been done on it recently, so it's probably got many of the same issues as the Patriot mech suit. The guns are the same one on the Pelican nose gun.

[@randomdude64yt]

if they just switched the arms around on the Patriot, it would actually be usable and outclass the Emancipator by A LOT.

[@ShadowNetBG]

To me it looks like this was added in one of the previous patches and they just unlocked it. A balance patch and new stuff should be coming, now supervised by Pilestedt, we'll see how it will turn out.

[@berserkerpride]

This mech has been in the files for a long time. Seen a ton of modders add it ingame in leak videos. I hope it gets buffed.

[@zuido9715]

10:26 "to the left!, to the left!, 10 steps to the right this time!" It just looks funny how the bugs keep in sync with your movments

[@TheAlbertos]

A cool idea is to add a vague “mech” stratagem which we can customize the arms of. Imagine being able to run two miniguns or a minigun and autocannon. Epic

[@elfireii328]

speaking of weapons that feel good. The laser weapons. They dead "good" damage, but they feel terrible to shoot. The charge up time feels bad. Its not a "skill issue" its a "balance" decision. They buffed the damage a ton so that players will feel more inclined to use it without fixing the actual game feel.

[@Tamachii12]

That's one of the reasons i don't use lasers, they are a fucking pain to use when enemies are shooting at you and making it go everywhere except where you are aiming.

[@NateValeci]

ohdough - you cant aim down Bots - this is where the fun begins

[@Corrupt-R]

Balancing in this game should take place purely in how many enemies we face, they can add more or less until the missions feel challenging to the right level. Weapons should ALL kick ass, every single one.