Emax Babyhawk R 3" + the little Avans

Summary:
The BHR is one of the very best values in its class. You cannot go wrong with any option and they all perform great. That being said, the 3" BHR is much better than the 2" BHR but the 2" BHR with 2.5" arms and the Gemfan 2540 props is best. Unfortunately you will need to buy the 2.5" arms aftermarket and install them yourself. If you do not want to touch the quad, definitely get the 3" version. I highly recommend 4S ~550mah for the 3" and 3S ~550mah for the 2"-2.5".
Babyhawk R 3" - goo.gl/FiHuz5, goo.gl/PTmtak
Babyhawk R 2" - goo.gl/v5HNte, goo.gl/PTmtak
2.5" arms - goo.gl/rQknT3
a good 550mah 3S - goo.gl/wsFo58, goo.gl/zsTK88
Look for a ~500-650mah 4S for the 3". I don't have one off hand to recommend at the moment.
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[@BuzZ.]

I don't like pre-built quads, I love building. I think I'm addicted on building 😂 And it's best feeling when you build something and it works 😄

[@alexcrowder1673]

BuzzCola 3 I'm exactly the same way. I took apart my 1st bnf quad before I even tried it out. I decided I needed the parts for anothet build. I STILL liked the Babyhawk R though. It's literally the only bnf quad I own that I haven't completely dismantled for parts.The only thing I've done to it is adding the 2.5inch arms and the 2540 gemfans. It really is a great little machine!

[@dis3nchant3d42]

You know what's rare in quad review videos? A definitive sensible recommendation. Nice to see such a succinct conclusion.

[@Kabab]

Yeah I'm not into wasting people's time however I don't really like to be negative....but there is a lot of crap out there...

[@dis3nchant3d42]

We all appreciate that perspective and the quality of your info

[@gitech7450]

Ditto! :)

[@Daniel-hp8dg]

This is the best BHR review I have seen yet! All great points.

[@dronereviewman9580]

Sweet little quad and it is hard to pick props!! So props on the new props!!! Hahaha i need a babyhawk-R. Great post!! 👍🚀👍

[@DashzRight]

Just bought this guy... And oh my lol, the attention to detail, the build quality and the fight performance are stelar, it flies and handles better than my 5" setups and I spent a lot of time on these. Just out of the box. I had my doubts since the micro quads are more expensive than a 5" build and for Rtf stuff I believe one always builds them to last opposed to something preassembled, but after 2 flights with the 3" Babyhawk R I'm blown away, I'll probably stick to this one, I see no other reason to keep flying the 5" as I don't use gopros. With this little beast, I can go anywhere, it barely makes half of the noise that my 5" do, it is super efficient, with 5:30 minutes of mild flight time but as powerful as you ask him to be, the flight experience is superb, it is rock solid... Very happy with the purchase.

[@Kabab]

It is very very good. I personally think the TinyHawk is an even better product. Really fantastic.

[@blackmennewstyle]

Well that babyhawk is growing up pretty darn good if you ask me :) I know a couple of people who will definitely buy the 3"! I wonder if a Split micro could not even fit in it with some DIY jobs or just starting a build from scratch! You are pretty active this week ;) All the best for the next one!

[@Kabab]

I don't think you could fit a mini cam into this thing. Maybe someone can?

[@almondjoy590]

Hell yes

[@fitrillu]

I just upgraded my 2 inch quad to my 80g spc110 2.5 and there's a huge difference :) Those gemfan 2540 are almost perfect, thanks Bob

[@Rvalivesound]

I just got back from the park after flying my Babyhawk R3" first time out. It was great. I used a pair of Tattu 650mah 4S and a pair of Pulse 850mah 4S. I have a 3S 650mah Infinity on the way, but I wonder if I will like it now... On the bad side I had a time getting used to the camera angle. It seems high to me for starting out so I pushed it down 5 degrees. Also, all four motors were quite hot and I enjoyed the power so I didn't hold back. I didn't expect it to fly as well as it did. My DYS Elf is not in the same category and my Furibee VX140 is powerful, but it's weight makes it a tank and not as quick as the Babyhawk! Its the best little guy that I own right now and all my 5" are being repaired or rebuilt so it is a breath of fresh air!

[@ruftime]

Nice bob! Finally some good t-mount 3” props coming out. Been running my 3” eclair lite with the 2540 gemfans on rs1106 6000kv. Tried the rotorx 3044 but too much load on 3s even with extensive tuning. 3” frame with 2.5 props is like running a stretchX, flies awesome:-) happy flying!

[@theromanempire9236]

This video sold me on this quad, i just got mine as my first actual quad other than in inductrix, and it is absolutely amazing.

[@Kabab]

It really is.

[@ktmjay9920]

You just recommend my setup exactly. I'm a new flyer and I love this the setup.

[@zachbates555]

This looks really cool!

[@jezeesanderz4420]

Which one is better theEmax Babyhawk-R RACE(R) Edition 112mm F3 or the HGLRC HORNET 120mm

[@28daballa]

Love the informative videos bro. You got me on the audio too.😂🤣

[@rickvestuto]

My 3" will be here from Heli-Nation on Tuesday.......Cant wait And your completely right on the fact that for $145 you can put all these components on a better frame and save money ;-) Thank for your videos Regards, Rick

[@minwards1983]

Hey man thanks for the vid! I'm wondering where you can get the 2.5" arms from in the uk. Is it best to convert the 2" to 2.5? What about converting the 3" to 2.5?

[@MFalcon215]

Bob your recommended set up is the exact one I have! 2.5" on 550 3s is amazin! How do they make it fly so big!!!??

[@JNastyFastime]

Might I suggest trying some kingkong 2840 props on your 2.5" babyhawk R. I'm getting 4min flight times and 17% throttle hover on a gnb 550 3s battery .

[@actionfiguresinc9453]

I bought a 2.5 inch iflight frame and I love it

[@nicksmith3431]

on the dys f18a 4in1 esc, can i trust the wiring diagram? intuitively it feels wrong.

[@Iyyobr]

Reason for 2.3” props was Emax listening to community’s requests for better props for the Babyhawk V1. It was/is released with rando 2.3” props. Anyway good content as always

[@Kabab]

I said that in my first take of this video but it didn't make it into the second take. lol

[@AmpHibious]

built a custom on slimphast 3 inch frame with babyhawk r parts and it feels a lot like my 5 inch but since its lighter it accelerates like crazy, but the props are so small and light that it falls like a rock.

[@DangerDavefpv]

ive got 3" spintech race 1 frame with 1106/8000kv spintech with avans and it has stupid punch on low end

[@TydraGaming]

Great video! Did you see diatones response to your video on the gt rtf quad?

[@Kabab]

Lol, yeah, I posted a link to it in the description of the other video.

[@EazyRed]

Awsome 😀 you gained another Subscriber ☺️

[@TiredFlyerFPV]

Weird that I am rewatching some of your older videos on micros. Used to fly a 6", but now I just have a desire for a lighter setup.

[@du4-fpv777]

I was like WHOOOOW! I'm getting 2! Lmao awesome review! You definitely got me at first....

[@Politicallyhomeless957]

On my Vortex150 I think I have 1306’s which is ideal for 3in IMO great vid Kabab. I went the Torrent110 route cause I use Spektrum but think I may need another micro. Do you think that frame can handle the bigger motors?

[@Kabab]

The torrent? It flies very well on the motors it has and 2.5". No need to upgrade.

[@ktmjay9920]

Micro's worth every penny. Depending on flying area.. Keep em coming

[@bentarr17]

Kabab have you ever thought about doing a live q&a?

[@Kabab]

I haven't put the effort into figuring out how to do that. I think youtube does it since there's a 'live' button on my phone... one day...

[@bentarr17]

Kabab FPV there’s probably a tutorial on KZbin lol. Live q&as would be awesome! I would watch every single one of yours that I could.

[@jmoore3854]

Yes you had me on how you did the audio. You should try putting some RCX 1304 x 5000kv motors on that 3" babyhawk and see how it flies.....

[@zekeisme1]

what micro do u prefer? i sometimes don't like to drive to go to fly so i want something small to fly at my house i dont have much room, live in the city. do u think baby hawk is greater value then building my own?

[@Kabab]

Yes it definitely is a better value than building your own

[@LaserGunNun]

Could anyone recommend a decent 4s battery for the 3" please? Preferably from banggood. Great video, subbed.

[@MrStubbs8157]

Is there something about a new tinyhawk version? A 1s + 2s depending on space you fly in? Perhaps a less boring frame? I wonder, if I should wait for all these Emax products before I buy? :)

[@Kabab]

Wait. There is a wave of things coming in the next month or so.

[@CubAndMine]

1407 3600kv for 3 inch : too much or a good idea ?

[@outcastfpv]

hey, I recently received the pyrodrone 2.5 inch arm upgrade and installed them on my 2" babyhawk-r, I used the gemfan 2540 props on the stock RS1106 6000KV and a tattu 3s 650mah lipo but I got some mid to high throttle oscillations even on lowered pids and higher tpa and very very hot motors, I think the 6000KV is too high on a 2.5" prop. I went back to the avan micro props but I was considering getting 4x RS1106 4500KV motors and going 4S with "D" in the low 10-12 range (I prefer to fly 4S 450/650 on my stock 2" babyhawk-r, its insane, having low "D" 10-12 and "P" 24-28 it feels locked in with no oscillations and only warm to hot motors) have you had any experience with how the 4500KV would handle on 4S with gemfan 2540?

[@Kabab]

All but one tiny motor has gotten blistering hot for me all the time. The only motor that didn't get super hot is the hawksky 1107 6500kv. Hot motors is par for the babyhawk R and other small motors unfortunately. The PIDs are usually a lot lower for 2.5" than stock. Almost half I believe.

[@rcpete7055]

I've set my 5"floss up on betaflight and it's arming good but it's spooling up. I've downloaded blheli suite but when I plug the usb in it doesn't connect so I cannot read esc to configure.. do you know how to remedy please..?

[@sjcajw7]

Peter Hollett do you have your lipo plugged in as well? BLHeli cannot recognize the ESCs unless they have power and the USB cannot supply enough juice

[@Kabab]

The spool up might be air mode and that's just normal attitude. It'll perform right in the air.

[@alexdalton7290]

You could try impulse driver fixer and when you go to blheli make sure you 1st plug quad in 2nd press connect 3rd plug in battery and click read setup

[@pointnozzleaway]

I can't decide on the 3". . or getting a 2" and doing the 2.5" arms ! Is there maybe a plus in getting a 3" and putting 2.5" arms on it ?

[@Kabab]

I HIGHLY recommend the 2" and getting 2.5" arms. It's much better imo

[@mircoheitmann]

So I just got my first quad, a Vortex 230 and I am really happy with it, already flies great on 3S. But I don't really feel like I'm able to judge how good/bad the parts are, so what do you (Kabab/Community) think of it, if you have one?

[@Kabab]

The vortex is a pretty good and reliable RTF quad. Move to 4S when you're comfortable.

[@mircoheitmann]

To be fair, I already feel rather comfortable, but I'm not 100% sure on the supplier. Thanks for the answer tho :]

[@theFPVgeek]

Thanks for your review. I realize you mention 2.5" setup is the best but what setup has the closest physics/flight characteristics to a 5"? 2", 2.5", or 3"? 3s or 4s? Power isn't my priority, it's getting the physics closest to a 5" which is the highest of my priorities for a micro.

[@Kabab]

I don't think you can actually get it just like a 5" but the closest is gonna be an 1107 or 1108 on 2.5" or 3" with an AUW of maybe 150g max

[@theFPVgeek]

So for 3" and suggested AUW is that with 3s or 4s?

[@snoopyfpv8549]

Hi Bob, could you ask the guys over it Emax if they plan on having an upgraded Magnum stack,? Mybe to an F4 chip with a uart rx and tx. On the babyhawk r 3's current stack I got the crossfire Nano connected and it flies great, but there is no uart TX pin (tried remapping) on the flight controller to receive information back through the receiver, so I have to rely on the information on the OSD. I could just switch out the flight controller for an at 4 but I really like the pinstack design. Don't mean to Ramble On, thank you for your time sir.

[@Kabab]

I ask these things but they don't always go through. The guys here in the US are working hard but the Emax company is another story. They have a hard time taking any feedback from anyone.

[@smerkkwads3235]

Yes you did get me. Nice editing! 😁

[@Alvaroeduardo]

Great review as always! What about de 3" BH-R with 4S 450 mah lipos? Have you tried that lipo? if so how much flight time can you get? thanks

[@Kabab]

3" with a batt that small will struggle to give you even 1min if you push it. Probably a Max of around 3min if you cruise around

[@Alvaroeduardo]

What kind of 4S lipo would you recommend for the 3" BH-R?

[@Kabab]

600-800mah is your best bet

[@Bamadrone]

Can you recommend a frame to transfer everything from the 3-inch babyhawk over to?I'm loving my 3inch hawk but the arms are soft and a bridge jumped out in front of me and I can't find 3inch replacement arms.Do you thing these guts would work for a 2.5 setup?

[@Kabab]

They will work on 2.5 but the motors are low kv so it won't be as zippy. Right after China new year I'll have 3" arms that are much stronger and the same weight available from pirofliprc.com. The stock frame is really an excellent frame. They just cut the arms odd now to make it easier for them to assemble. A bit unfortunate...

[@scootroter4859]

Wo0ow! The 3" looks like it will be so0o much better! I think they should have come out with it in 3" in the first place! 4g more weight than the 2" and all of a sudden it's not an over weight, heavy, 2", but is a much nicer svelte 3"!! SweEet! And...$6 more! Ha! The 3" is a gimme in my book! Now this is a great deal on a quad that looks like it's got what it always should have had! Nice job Emax! :)

[@DangerDavefpv]

so yeh my spintech race 1 with 1106/8000 would be fast with avan 3" but after finding out my issue with flip of death and doing lots of demag/esc timing with no fix i took the props off and put on lol the gemfan 2035 bullnose and no issues/flip of death gone but lord it sucks becouse the speed it had was cool but now its nothing. so would my esc need to be upgraded becouse everytime it would freak out i hear the esc reset. any thoughts? i would love to run 3" props but whats the point if i cant do my acro flips?

[@Kabab]

It could be. Difficult to say but for that issue I usually start with the esc.

[@DangerDavefpv]

Kabab FPV who makes best micro esc 4.1? That would take more amperage

[@Hellmuthsilva]

Is this better for beginners or the emax hawk 5 inch? Which one would you recommend?

[@Kabab]

See the video description. I recommend babyhawk 2" with the 2.5" arms.

[@BumpierDrake960]

Bob,For alot of us micro only guys, it’s not about that you can build a 5” for the same money. It is about having the best performance in the smallest package in order to fly it and race it in more places. This new class of “performance micros” is not in the same class as a entry level Banggood clone micro for $90. Of course you already know that. Love your micro findings!

[@Kabab]

Yeah and I'm with you there. I want the best performance I can get in the micro package. Unfortunately we're the minority and for the majority, they really gotta ask if it's worth the extra money for essentially the same amount of fun.

[@deathlinguine4582]

How loud is the babyhawk r 3” on 4s with stock props? Don’t want to disturb my neighbors 😁

[@Kabab]

Pretty moerate. About half as much as a 5" maybe

[@DanikFPV]

Hey! How is the audio (motors) recorded ? All I got in recording is noise :)

[@Kabab]

read the text on the screen at the beginning

[@DanikFPV]

Kabab FPV Good one :)))

[@JoeyDunn]

does the vtx have audio built in or did you need to add a mic?

[@Kabab]

I don't believe it has audio

[@kiefmaker]

absolutely love my babyhawk r, got my 2 inch babyhawk on sale for $115, the way i saw it i could buy 2 babyhawks or build a custom 2.5, so i ordered 2 ahaha

[@PinchTune]

Are the stock motor wires long enough for the swap between 2" to 2.5" arms? I know it's only a .25" different, but I probably should ask.

[@Kabab]

Yes they are long enough to even go to 3" I believe

[@PinchTune]

Thanks. I'm big into building... and top mounts. But I spend too much time tinkering. Maybe I'll get this Babyhawk, make it 2.5" and just go fly. :)

[@ryan3859]

When will the 2.5 arms be back in stock? After CNY? Also, can you make a top plate for the hyperlite evo hd spec frame designed for top mount battery? I have 2 that I have been running top mount on anyway, but it would be nice to have battery strap slots. There really isn't a top mount multi gp spec frame unless you run the hyperlite that way. Of course, who knows what the hell multi gp is doing with the spec class this year?

[@Kabab]

The Evo is actually going to be discontinued soon. We've got a bunch of new frames coming. Well, same things with some tweaks and adjustments. It's all being reorganized to make it easier to understand.

[@misterdanish1]

So, you prefer 3S batteries for the 2.5“ setup over 4S packs? What do you like more about 3S? Thanks for your input!

[@Kabab]

I like the lower weight of 3s and the motors are high kv enough to be plenty quick

[@familywakandaforeverwakand5955]

Yo.. you got me real good. I was like 1.how does his BH sound so thick and 2. Wait...how did he get sound, lmao. Thanks for the review man.

[@shortdoggkk]

Kabab, I have 2" BabyHawk R and waiting for the 2.5" arms to come in to mod it. Do you think it would harm the motor or gain some performance if I put 3" Avan props in the back (assuming it may fit) but still put 2540 GemFan props in the front after I add the 2.5" arms?

[@Kabab]

It would fly fine but just put the gemfan 2540 all around. They're really really good.

[@shortdoggkk]

thank you for a quick reply, I really appreciate it. I can't wait for my arms to arrive and make those changes.

[@shortdoggkk]

I been flying with the mod done with gemfan 2540 and it felt really good but for some reason my PID change without me changing it and I'm too new to tune it myself. Would you mind letting me know what PIDs you are running on 2.5" mod with gemfan 2540. I'm running Roll-D at 30 and Pitch-D at 32 and just did a little hover in my garage and felt little hot but I remember flying this past weekend and I don't recall motor being hot.

[@JadonBaker]

How'd you do the audio? I need a good way to add some to my recordings.

[@Kabab]

Audio at the beginning?

[@Armagedis]

The 3S battery you listed has a JST/XT30 connection. Shouldn't it be a XT60? Or does it work too?

[@Kabab]

Pieter Van Leemputten xt30 for these tiny packs.

[@imperialreptiles1]

Have you tried the babyhawk 2.5 inch? Would you recommend getting the 2.5 over the 2 and 3 inch?

[@Kabab]

If getting a babyhawk I still recommend the 2" and getting 2.5" arms and props for it. Much better value

[@imperialreptiles1]

@@Kabab really appreciate the advice!

[@engizmo]

How will your 3" compare to this one? You are aiming for a light 3s beast on 1108's is that correct?

[@Kabab]

I was but I dunno anymore really...

[@ryanzimmerman2375]

When will emax just sell the frame that way we can put our own parts in it?

[@Kabab]

I told them to do that when I saw the BHR 2" before it came out. Awesome little frame.

[@RADERFPV]

How did you get audio on the dvr? I own this quad, and don’t recall the vtx having a mic.

[@Kabab]

Read the text on screen at the beginning... 😂

[@RADERFPV]

Simulated audio - face palm, lol

[@Armagedis]

Hey Kabab, what's your recommendation for a receiver for the R 3 for a FrSky radio? Any suggestions on where to install it?

[@Kabab]

There's an option that comes with one. It goes on top of the stack. You need to use the smallest one available.

[@Armagedis]

Thanks for your reply. Are you talking about the BNF option and if it comes with it, do you have to install it yourself?

[@JNastyFastime]

Great video, hard to beat the price with the babyhawk R 2" on sale for $109 and the 2.5" arms for $15 and then have a 2.5" screamer can't even build that cheap not with those components.

[@pantac4493]

JNASTY FASTIME what site was selling it for $109?

[@mafiafpv3469]

So the 2540 wont work on babyhawk r 3?

[@Kabab]

It will but the Kv is too low on the motors for 2.5"

[@KrotowX]

By the way - if you are a builder/tinkerer type or simply already have some micro quad parts than you will build anyway :) At today if i would start from scratch, I'll probably would buy this Babyhawk because I like how it is designed and how it flies. However I for example already have frames and parts from previous micro brushless quads enough to make a micro brushless comparable to Babyhawk performance. I only don't have that fancy plastic cover which I would have to be hermetic now due to winter :)

[@tekstyle1679]

Anyone else having issues with the gem fan 2540s falling apart in air ?

[@Kabab]

Never heard that.

[@KrotowX]

Bob, which KV motors in your BabyHawk-R have? Banggood now ship it with Emax RS1106 4500KV. 4500KV is kinda for 4S although I have a bunch of 550 mAh 3S and 2.5" and 2.8" props left after my previous micro who gone AWOL 2 days ago. Interesting, are it will flow on 3S with so slow motors Ok and not like a pregnant cow?

[@Kabab]

4500kv is about right for 4S on 3" I think. I don't remember what mine had. I gave it to Sergio to do a give away with it.

[@KrotowX]

Erm, Ok. Banggood have it on preorder now with veeery nice price... pretty tempting... and previous micro is gone. I'll probably take it.

[@alfredosaugus705]

Only flown 1306s and 1407s with a 3" prop. is there any performance gained by fitting a lighter motor like a 1106 with higher kv? given all motors are running the same battery-prop-combo, 3s-4s which ever. Most 3" builds are going with 1407 these days, but I still enjoy my 1306s same as my 1407. I only freestyle with these kwads if thats a factor.

[@Kabab]

1306 4000kv is the right size motor for 3" props.

[@Kabab]

but no really good 1306 motors exist today

[@alfredosaugus705]

yup, slim pickings for 1306, emax or dys. heard some good things about cobra 1407 so giving those a try...

[@KrotowX]

To be honest I now wish to have hermetic Babyhawk who can crash in wet grass and snow without shorting. Nearly 2 months without getting outside thanks to our stupid climate with wet snow :( I'm curious how slow that thing flies on 2S batteries :) I still have a bag of 2S 600 mAh 45C batteries from 1103 2" quads.

[@jeramiebentley4054]

i have 2" and a 2.5". I hate flying the 2" now. Going to throw the 3" arms and props on the 6000kv motors for the hell of it.

[@dronemaniacsdpreston8497]

Sweet mini

[@Mewted]

babyhawk-r or diatone 2018 gtr-90?

[@Kabab]

Aaron Nope I would recommend babyhawk R

[@Mewted]

GT-R90 is showing up tomorrow =X heh

[@Mewted]

Kabab - In case you're interested - I didn't think I'd regret this because of the names involved, quality components and supposed build, but I do. Arrived today. Out of the box: One of the motor wires is sliced open. The soldering & placement is poorly done on the motor wires. Even the shit stock props don't clear them. Gemfan 2040's would just cut everything (they sit slightly lower). The VTX Antenna is loose from the frame ( zip-tie isn't even attached..just hanging there for no reason) & doesnt clear props. I'm going to have to fully replace some motor wires, re-solder and build the thing back up before I can even use it. I spend my time building/fixing my other quads..the whole point of getting this was less work and more fun in between. Only got so much time to divide up. Sigh. I've contacted their support and provided them pictures. Whatever that does for me.

[@alexdalton7290]

How do you feel about the 1304 motor vs 1106 motor ?

[@Kabab]

I haven't tried th 1304 but I hear it's much better overall for 2.5" and 3". The people with the 1304 haven't tried the 1107 and 1108 on 2.5" however and I bet the 1108 is best on 2.5".

[@RCFlyer85]

Been telling you for a while to hop on the 3in train Bob... Now get a XJB 145 and a Diatone M3 and let's ride.... Choo chooooo lol

[@Kabab]

the issue is the lack of proper motors. For 3" we really need like a 1207 or 1306 motor in 4000kv with 600mah 4S packs and ~175g AUW. This combo doesn't really exist yet. Emax is working on the motors however...

[@RCFlyer85]

Kabab FPV Don't knock it till you try it lol... Though I agree with you IF your build is super light

[@goingcrazy00]

Kabab FPV I have some amazing 1507 4200kv for 3" that are unreal. Almost 700g per motor on 4s.

[@madforit9661]

Nice vid

[@dakotasnow1174]

If you want that low end Id give the sunnysky 1106 6500kv a try. They are freakin insane. 1/2 scale racers for the win.

[@MadNitr0]

i fell like i keep asking this with each vid.... so is this the one? or should we wait for the next one?

[@Kabab]

I recommend the 2" babyhawk r with the 2.5" props. It's the best of all worlds and a damn good deal.

[@MadNitr0]

Kabab FPV yes but what about the stuff you have herd about coming down the line

[@ueigerchaves5726]

Kabab 3"inch frame with 2.5"inch Props is bad?

[@Kabab]

No it's fine if the motor is appropriate

[@ueigerchaves5726]

@@Kabab on a babyhawk 3"inch

[@Kabab]

@@ueigerchaves5726 oh sure. You may need the 4S then

[@robbinkoot2154]

What is the flight time ?

[@Kabab]

2-5min depending how you fly it.

[@WCO3]

Why not keep the 6000kv? To much amp draw for the esc on 3" prop? 😂 Bummer.

[@Kabab]

Yeah that's what they felt.

[@tehllama42]

Dangit Bob - I've been trying to get the 2.5" arms when they're in stock, and now they'll be in demand even more.

[@Kabab]

They should be in stock now. No?

[@tehllama42]

Negative - I think I have a local shop with some on the way - I shall instead beat on my other flossy builds.

[@scootroter4859]

Bob, how are 12A / only 15A burst 4 in 1 ESC's, able to go 4S? Spinin' aggressive 3" props! Hmmmm.... I know the lower KV motors have a great part in it, but seems like a gamble, no? Please explain... Thanks!

[@Kabab]

The ESC board works fine. There are definitely higher rated and higher quality boards, but I can't fault the quad on this. The performance is pretty darn good as is the price.

[@scootroter4859]

Kabab FPV... Thanks!

[@jeffreypalovchik5842]

The 2.3 avan props is for the original babyhawk.

[@wesselvandewal5162]

babyhawk r 3 inch or babyhawk r pro 2.5 inch?

[@Kabab]

I'd say get the babyhawk 2" and just put 2.5" arms on it. It's a better deal and overall performance is about the same.

[@wesselvandewal5162]

the only thing is that i live in the Netherlands. and if I would do the babyhawk 2 with the 2.5 arms (out of england) it is going to cost me the same as a banggood babyhawk r pro. Should i go for the babyhawk pro then?

[@Kabab]

@@wesselvandewal5162 yeah then it would make sense to just get the pro

[@systemsky7921]

This or the hglrc xjb 145?

[@Kabab]

If the HGLRC actually works and doesn't break or burn, it will probably perform better but it's coming from the other end of the spectrum. motors are too big for 3" and the quad is likely on the edge of overweight. They're both really the same level of questionability but the HGLRC will probably be faster. You'll need a slightly bigger battery for the HGLRC.

[@Zachsnotboard]

Room for internal dvr?

[@Kabab]

Unlikely to be able to cram one in there.

[@gitech7450]

Yes, you got me for a few seconds! :P lol

[@NumberOneChina]

Love my 2.5"

[@snoopyfpv8549]

I would love to fly that baby hawk! Can you get me one? Lol.

[@keepinitbasic04]

It is the best value I will say, but you pay for what you get. I have had a few that catch fire. Getting kind of tired of EMAX almost burning my house down. Brand new out of the box I armed it and it caught fire lol.

[@Kabab]

Unfortunately that's sometimes how this hobby goes.

[@ofiasdfnosdf]

How about: buy the 3" BHR and put 2.5" props on it?

[@Kabab]

I wouldn't. The motors are only 4500kv. I want to actually put 5S on the 3" but the ESC won't do it.

[@MikeLaRock88]

To me, smaller is better because I fit in tighter places, i can go to my small park across the street without scaring the neighborhood seniors, they break less and legal faa reasons. Under 250g and can fly like a 5" of course it's going to cost you. Especially at the beginning of the micro era. Just a couple years ago we couldn't find anything that flies like the 3" or 2" quads today. Now we finally have micro 4 in 1 chips that can run amazing software, micro cams and crazy motors/props. Like when the GEPRC Sparrow came out, it was ahead of the game by far, so they knew they would get thier money worth. New tech is going to be pricey until companies like EMAX start setting the others straight. But then again does size even matter to price? Just because a 5" is bigger makes it better? And Isn't it harder to manufacture such small components that can take abuse and keep up with bigger "clunky" quads? Wouldn't everyone just fly 7" or more? I agree, they need to be a bit cheaper, but you have to see why these ill guys cost so much right now. Aaaaaaannd have you ever seen the price of a "quality" 5"? Look at the rotor riot site or DRL. Those things are almost 1k..

[@hateeternalmaver]

Will you ever fly a 5" again? ... ;)

[@Kabab]

lol yes. Just waiting on some new stuff...

[@hateeternalmaver]

Good to hear that. I do enjoy seeing you fly the smaller stuff too, but not as much like the bigger ones. ;)

[@goingcrazy00]

Put those 1107 6500kv on that thing and it will be another animal. And without putting those components on it with a Piko blx and some 20a single esc's you can get the price for a bad ass 2.5" or 3" for about $135

[@samsonfpv8902]

Lol audio matched pretty well at first

[@ktmjay9920]

New 2 in. Arms are one piece now.

[@Kabab]

Oh interesting. Didn't know that. Must have done it to make it easier to manufacture.

[@migfpv1790]

What size capacitor is on the babyhawk?

[@Kabab]

Don't remember but I believe 35v 450uf

[@migfpv1790]

Thanks

[@silicosick]

25v 330 on the 2 2" ones I have.

[@Sully365]

Micro quads are cheaper to buy than make...5" is the reverse....

[@RCFlyer85]

Five Freaking Onion Rings Only when most of the products come from the same OEM

[@Kabab]

For a top quality micro, it's the same price as a 5" and that's the problem for me. I don't agree with spending the same money for little even though I realize that it takes all the same materials and efforts to make the smaller ones. This is where Emax shines. Because they make everything in house except the FPV cam, they can offer these crazy prices. Because they have real pilots from the community now managing their designs, they're coming out with top notch stuff. Best of all worlds. There are still some performance and quality bumps to be had with a DIY high spec build, but you really need to ask yourself if it's worth the extra money...

[@KrotowX]

From other side if you already have a practice in racing/freestyle quad building, you can build a better micro brushless quad as well from parts which you wish and tune it in way what you wish. It even will not cost much more and you are free of thinking where to put all stock crap parts that you will swap for something better in later upgrading. Betaflight 3.2+ make tuning part a child play - already defaults usually are 100% flyable.

[@alexcrowder1673]

KrotowX Very true. I bought a handful of rtf quads only to modify most of them and sell the rest. Now days I spend far more time building and studying flight theory than I actually spend flying lol. Also, most rtf quads tend to have a couple parts that arent very good. This is especially true of micro rtf and bnf quads. Sometimes itll have badass motors only to have a crappy 25mw vtx thats nearly unusable. Other times itll come with a bad camera with aweful lighting or possibly even come broken right out of the box! Its things like this that make building your own more practical IMO. This way you arent spending money on parts you dont even want. I have so many crappy parts that I replaced from bnf quads I could probably build an entire quad. Itd be a flying turd though lol.

[@zacjohnson8404]

@@Kabab actually fitting the same amount of technology into a smaller package does cost more... having said that, I recently bought the parts for a 3" and it was cheaper than my 7" and I didn't shortcut on the parts. That includes the split camera too so don;t have to spend money on a HD cam. Basically sold all my quad gear including the 7" and replaced it all with "better" radio (qx7 to x-lite), better goggles (ev800d to aomway commander), and a 3" quad all for what I got for the 7" with change spare.