EMBER, the BEST Warframe you will NEVER play...

[@MHBlacky_ENG]

What is your opinion on the new Ember?

[@TheNeverPoet]

She just like me for real...

[@anamaykapoor6042]

I don't rly play ember but it was good for clearing the star chart (non sp)

[@anamaykapoor6042]

This video is fire. (I'm sorry)

[@qraid]

she need an actual rework not just some insignificant changes to her kit

[@qraid]

she need an actual rework not just some insignificant changes to her kit

[@yaboi3710]

"Ember is good but gauss is better so shes irrelevant" brother some people play this game for fun, not strictly meta. Calling a frame irrelevant because there is a better one is cringe, by that logic 3/4th frames are irrelevant.

[@Noxims47314]

by that logic we're all better playing S-rank frames and being meta-cucks. no thanks... I'll figure it out on my own, earning my dopamine hit by doing more then pressing a button with a evident resultant outcome.

[@jonaichi_09]

Well I mean, I play Trinity and I got the "Wisp does everything she does but better" once or twice till now. Don't mind it brothers, play what makes you have fun. That should be the game's main goal as well as ours.

[@kentalacrucia]

You say as Hydriod exists

[@AlejandroRodriguez-co4ul]

He is just saying is irrelevant BC she is u r crybabies if U wanna play her do it she is still irrelevant

[@zeothesnowwolf2937]

​@@AlejandroRodriguez-co4ulmaybe people actually enjoy playing something besides the same 3 frames?

[@YD-nd1be]

You’ve made some points. But don’t forget, at the end of the day, it’s the Warframe’s ass that we constantly looking at during the game. And THAT guass sadly can not compete😂

[@xada5166]

Ember is not in a great state at the moment this build shown definitely isn't her full capability, but even with the proper min maxed build and heat-inherit she still lacks a lot of dmg compared to other frames, as an ember main and an entire clan dedicated to her, i tweeted at Pablo about her problem she's having, so hopefully with the new skin release she gets a NICE buff to her (4) but my main point is that pre-jade shadows she was alot better now she lacks alot due to HP going up on every enemy and her buffs she got dont really do anything, so i suggest a PASSIVE increase from 5%-10% and give her (4) inferno A LOT more base dmg!

[@chronodis]

Remove the overheat from her 2, and buff her numbers. That's all she needs

[@Mars23223]

Her 4 needs to do 10% max hp as damage per second

[@chronodis]

@@Mars23223 she isn't a health tank that makes no sense

[@Mars23223]

@@chronodis what are you talking about? I mean enemy max hp

[@chronodis]

@@Mars23223 that would be way too strong

[@mornebecker3464]

Subsumed her 4. For eclispse With the augment fb frenzy I get from minimum 216% to max 614%. With eclipse and molt augmented and 2 red tau for strength im at 98.3% dmg reduction Gun buffer ember :) plus she cruises through SP now. Paired her with torid is stupid strong. But its your warframe, you mod how you want :)

[@Bill_DeBerry]

I still miss the old ember, used to go into defense missions and just hang out with my buddies while her old 4 kept us perfectly safe. Was a good afk credit farm back in the day. Sucks that they nerfed her entire kit because ppl liked to afk on her.

[@TobiramaDE]

They nerfed the entire AFK Farm ending up getting nothing If you stand still for too long

[@RossKyle95]

Never mind the fact WoF scaled off fast even in old game lol , her kit is actually better then again part of that was heat rework

[@syrihellborn55]

I think they need to change her 4th ability in some why so it scaled better into late game. It can be quite strong with the right setup but it starts to fall off pretty fast.Maybe a scaling factor based on enemy hp would be the solution here.

[@17400]

14:28 well, gauss can do that. There's an augment for thermal sunder that allows him not only get heat damage onto your and allies weapons, but also cold damage. And it also works as an area effect so the duration can be renewed just like temporary wisp's motes...

[@vos_is_boss7623]

Love ember, the energy economy change was such a good change. She may not be the strongest... but... FIRE

[@astragor9905]

About that heat infusion that Gauss doesn`t have... Yeah, he has it. To say more - hes got cold infusion too. Check out his 3-d ability augment - does exactly the same as Ember, but its better, because both cold and blast are meta now. I do not claim my opinion as an absolute one, but im pretty sure thats how Gusses augment works (at least from my POV, thats exactly whats going on). Correct me if i`m wrong, and im gonna be real happy if that helped

[@akiothearsonist480]

Hey Blacky! I love your videos and was wondering if you could do a Garuda build some time?

[@CatteYokai]

Personally really feel the difference between using exothermic and not, but that might be copium.. Might also depend on what frames other people are using.

[@roxasoranightcore]

Ember was the first prime I ever bought so she is always my favorite character

[@Moona.S]

Ember mains RISE UP! LETS COMMIT ARSON! wait why is it just me here? Helloooo? Anyone here?

[@lolzonezzzz]

Caliban mains:

[@mattc1502]

Everyone is gonna play her on July 20 lol

[@lolzonezzzz]

That’s where all the ember mains are coming from 😂😂

[@NekuKanashi]

hii blacky, im new, can you make a vid explaining syndicates? i want to know which i should pick and what i can get from them :3

[@ulfricstormcloak7629]

well you can look at offerings and scroll down. syndicates are more flavor than anything. you can get warframe augments and cirtain syndicate version weapons (some are good some are bad) and you can get some armor pieces.

[@NekuKanashi]

@@ulfricstormcloak7629 which ones do u recommend?

[@umaninstrumentalityprject2989]

I will play her with all that on her prestige skin

[@QTEila]

Bros entire video got shot down by someone with barely 200 subs. Hell you don't even get her passive right. Please god do actual research. Literally yapping about something you barely looked at.

[@hammerheadcorvette4]

Who, so I can watch the vid?

[@stardust26261]

@@hammerheadcorvette4 "MHBlacky is WRONG about Ember..." by Zethax

[@xBDYKTNxPlaysGames]

​@@stardust26261I laughed when he said embers kit doesn't do damage 😂

[@hammerheadcorvette4]

@@stardust26261 Thanks for that. I kind of knew MH's opinions were a bit off when the Citrine video came out and 3/4th of it was "Why you should use Harrow instead" Which this video was "Why use Gauss over Ember instead. . . "

[@walker3288]

Roar acts as a faction multplier for her abilities meaning double dipping on heat status procs as well as overall higher flat damage on top of the double effect from archon vitality. I've never struggled to kill enemies in normal steal path with her and she only begins to fall off closer to lvl1000+. Also I noticed a lot of times you showed her abilities "not doing enough damage" you didn't even bother using her armor strip. It should almost always be cast with her 4 and that means casting speed shards are much better for dps than any of your suggestions.

[@cyanidescourge]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I miss World On Fire

[@wilderuhl3450]

I do too, but I also like the more synergistic play style that ember has with her abilities now.

[@YISP7]

Unpopular? I think 80%+ wants it back.

[@xXCasta21Xx]

Me too that ability was too over powered if built right. I think I got MR 20 with it by just walking around the test.

[@Saevustus]

Hey, Ember main since the early beta days here! Only just started watching, but, correction! There is no hard cap on her passive, in high density missions you can regularly spike to over 400% strength with her passive. The 'cap' you're observing is the spawn cap of the simulacrum at work, 20×5=100. Just wanted to respond to this one while it was fresh in my mind, might edit this comment with further responses as I go if anyone cares. EDIT: yeah im not even gonna bother, this video so quickly devolved into 'lmao look how bad ember is', and while she could use a bump to her damage scaling for sure, it was honestly just insulting. We can SEE that those enemies are even fully armoured, you know. This is like acting as though Lavos' abilities do nothing because if you only cast one of them, it's ineffective. They're supposed to go together, my guy. I've watched quite a few videos of yours, but seriously, I got excited to see Ember getting some attention from you, only for you to spend most of the video saying 'ember bad', then talking about how great Gauss is. Why not just make a video on Gauss?? There's plenty more i could go into, but i genuinely just dont want to lmao. So yeah, dont expect any further updates to this comment, for anyone that was curious about corrections, genuinely just not worth it. Also, I know we're warframe players and we have two collective braincells haha funny meme etc etc, but seriously, I think your audience is probably smart enough to grasp the concept of "Cast abilities, meter go up! Cast other ability, meter go down!".

[@TheBigWetWillie]

Embers 2 and 3 are enough for me to play her regularly, armor strip and survivability is great

[@RealDrDoom]

Ember also has by far the nicest booty in the game. The heirloom skin is all I need to be convinced into playing her

[@StudMuffin07]

real tho 😭🙏

[@demomanmane1888]

Fax

[@Eltanin]

Ah yes, my favorite Ember skill: Emulate.

[@Syly56]

Nintendo biggest opp

[@JoseGarcia-uf7jc]

I understand your point but if we look at it from that point of view, most warframes are irrelevant. That's because there are OP warframes out there that dominates their niche. You want a weapons platform? Go for Saryn. You want nuking? Gauss. You want true inmortality? Revenant. Etc, etc...Making the rest of the warframes "irrelevant".

[@xBDYKTNxPlaysGames]

Talk about misinformation, her passive doesn't have a cap and saying her abilities don't do damage is laughable. You can easily solo steel path content if you know how to build correctly.

[@DavidUtau]

How to play ember: 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 4 hahaha

[@koolkaleb19]

@@DavidUtau3 4 1 if you subsume her 1 with Roar, Eclipse, Xata’s Whisper, Nourish

[@Zach-cn4lb]

Bro definitely played a single hour of Ember with a single (bad) build and then made a video about how bad she is lol

[@arakemi1080]

so basically, if you want to play Ember, play Gauss instead, cuz Ember is basically useless compared to him, still gonna play Ember, especially with that heirloom she'll get.

[@Sourceful101]

Her heirloom is amazing

[@nahfr.]

​@@Sourceful101GYATT

[@lucfal5978]

Ember is one of the most mishandled frames in the game. She was punished for “nuking” low level enemy farms years ago when she wasn’t even the best at it simply because she could do it afk, so they nerfed her into the ground. Now she’s getting a few QOL tweaks which make her easier to play but her actual role as a dps frame still hasn’t been fixed. Her ult is used for managing immolation meter and stacking cascadia flare for you if you run that, and besides a mild CC, that’s it. Her DPS ult does not DPS, even with Roar it scales atrociously on steel path. The overguard augment is okay but Frost’s is infinitely better since it gives more per enemy, and isn’t hindered by LOS like hers is (and it’s getting buffed even FURTHER). All they gotta do at this point is get rid of the LOS restriction for her 3 (especially since enemy eximus units don’t have that restriction), and make her 4 actually do damage and then she’ll be good. Rn she’s just patching her terrible damage by being a mediocre gun buffer that is easily replaced by half the cast let alone Gauss.

[@IPlayFreakFrame]

Gonna be honest as on old ember main when I saw that the heirloom skin was available I bought it instantly

[@gangstersnow]

bring back world on fire

[@heymorado4372]

*sees video about ember and is excited to see how I can use her better* *immediately told she sucks and go use a frame I dont even have the knowledge to farm or play* Very cool

[@Klara988]

"The best frame you will never play!" Click "nuh uh, Gauss better"

[@lanoche]

13:50 Have you tried stripping their armor first before hitting them with her 4? I feel like you're making sure to not strip their armor to prove a "point" about her 4 being weak. The ability is fine even at SP since her spamming 3 is practically a free armor strip to enemies then you pop 4 to does more damage cause no more armor.

[@F0rger513]

i just wanna shake the hand of whoever was in charge of animating that killer dumpster.

[@Deveshkha]

Sevagoth >

[@SourSpace]

I miss world on fire everyday :(

[@urx4]

WoF ember was peak. It’s a shame that DE devs hate people having fun. I’ll still be buying the heirloom skin but ember will still be ass compared to other frames

[@shadowandroid758]

I still miss World on Fire.

[@jt_productions140]

Gauss can't infuses his wepons with heat... thermal transfer exists so yes he can.

[@D3monicHusky]

Haven't played ember since they took away her world on fire I'm in protest

[@apexgear2340]

They took it away from ember and the ended up releasing gyre who does it better, lmao

[@TigerMaster10XR]

They need to return her world on fire ability! Idiots kept crying about it and they nerf her. Either way, i want her back cause when i did a “soft reset” lost all progress on Warframe, PSO2, The First Descendant 😅😭 Anybody got extra set i can get for 50p? 😅

[@nataliesantana3309]

You may not be wrong about the Gauss vs. Ember comparison but I REALLY do NOT like playing Gauss. I know everyone loves him but just I just don't get it. I find him completely uncontrollable and the whole Redline mechanic is insufferable and completely unfun. FWIW, I don't like playing Volt either for similar reasons with the whole speed thing. I really like the interaction built into Ember's kit with her 2, 3, & 4. I find it fun to cycle those abilities and have really enjoyed her since her rework.

[@floppymcflop5427]

Why i mastered gauss prime and practically insta sold him for space lmao

[@Sandragon124]

Honestly if ember is worse guass, I'm ok with it. Honestly a "hot" take, but I don't like how guass plays, so ember as an alternative is great. Thanks for the great build.

[@venusstar2963]

Plus Ember has something Gauss will never have. An absolute dumptruck of an ass

[@Link-tq9ef]

Charging Gauss's battery is way more annoying that embers immolation meter

[@raiserverg]

you literally just use 1 and a short 3 and it's charged

[@Link-tq9ef]

​@@raiservergExcept you have to do it every time the ult end. While losing charge coz of kinetic plating. It gets annoying to break the gun play to ram your face repeatedly into a wall just to do it again later.

[@Hunaka_Diamante]

I miss embers old ultimate

[@CulturedHeaven]

Switch Ember 1 with Gauss ability 😂

[@KenoTerra]

Thermal transfer for the cherry on top

[@stormtrooperisgb]

I love Ember and I do agree that she's a solid enough frame. But still, idk man, she's underwhelming. Her main problem is still there. Her kit just works against itself. All that power build up for what exactly? 90% DR? Full armor strip in 1 ability instead of 2? If you keep her at that overheat state, you get just the DR and you can't use the armor strip. Then it starts to drain rapidly until you *have* to turn it off or goodbye ability usage. Maybe they could work with the fact that her kit works against itself. What if they boosted her abilities to nearly OP amounts if you decided to stay in that overheat state long enough? It would give her a reason to build up her abilities with a massive pay off instead of just a punishment. Sort of like a momentary Super Saiyan mode. So you can either cool her off from overheating to keep a status quo with her. OR. Let her overheat and go sicko mode for X amount of time and leave her with very little/no energy when she's done. TLDR: Let me enjoy my 90% DR for a little while with some added destruction and hellfire 😇

[@4g3nt06]

The power of fire can go so many different directions but in warframe a void entity pirate does more damage

[@RossKyle95]

Soon as you hit her 3 2 drain stops and resets actually , plus the big drop in energy costs is noticeable she largely sits at 90% after serval casts due to each cast of her 1 and 4 increasing the rate , between that scaling with fireblast energy cost now

[@stormtrooperisgb]

@@RossKyle95 ​ @RossKyle95 Yeah exactly, that's what I was referring to. She just resets and that's really it. No pay off for doing so other than the energy drain goes away. Plus the changes made her more energy efficient which is definitely an improvement. She's in an excellent spot, like Blacky said in the video. And he also touched on a point about her purpose in comparison to Gauss. They can be similar in playstyle but why does Gauss' overheat mechanic strengthen him, while Ember's weakens her? If they leaned into her overheat mechanic as a strength, like some Super Saiyan state, that would give a better pay off than what she does currently. She's fire, which is exciting and spectacular. She deserves a grand finale for overheating and not the indifferent "turn it off" that she has.

[@RossKyle95]

@@stormtrooperisgb I mean her damage actually goes up and she gets casting speed increase , her 1 gets dumb strong the actual combo multiplier goes up and the thing can headshot upwards of 30x multipliers haha , the damage is noticeable on the inferno rings now that it will actually status prox

[@stormtrooperisgb]

@@RossKyle95 What's great about those too is that she can stack those without being overheated. And on top of that, her damage bonus to both abilities scale with her heat lvl. That speaks more about the abilities themselves more than the heat lvl. It has nothing to really do with her heat cap at all, it simply stops everything there. That's the focus that they missed their opportunity on. The cap could've been something crazy instead of stopping all bonuses.

[@johnclaws4609]

Ember is a caster NOT a weapon platform. This is not the optimal way to build her imo. Been playing her for 5 years. Jus sayin' 👍

[@grimzael]

how would u recommend to build her somewhat optimally?

[@Yawnhy]

@@grimzaeloverguard, defenses, efficiency and heat inherit makes her melt pretty hard.

[@Thep00psc00p_]

I'm not in front of my game so going off memory, brief respite to shield gate if overguard falls off, rolling guard, archon vitality, equilibrium, stretch, umbral intensify, healing flame, primed continuity, cunning drift or PSF in exilus slot, arcane energize, molt augmented. Nourish over her 1. I have taken this build to level cap, but it was hairy the last 20 exolizers. I am changing it up tomorrow to try a proper shield gate build with primed redirection, aegis over augmented, etc. I love ember and I think she is less micromanaging then gauss.

[@XC11301991]

I really wished the recent update would change her into a pure caster frame again, but currently she's more of a weapons platform. It's strange as her counterpart Frost does pretty much everything she does but much better. Ember is good but she feels still limited by the whole overheat mechanic, I feel like her 4 needs a major buff in damage as with her passive feeding into roar and full armor strip it's still too weak. Does not help the armor changes makes it where there's a lot more health now and you can really see how weak her 4 actually is. Frost, her counterpart also in one button can armor strip, better CC, and increase damage; the buffs to cold makes it even more beneficial for him. Ntm he too can stack defensive buffs easy with an augment much more reliably than Ember. I think Pablo needs to just get rid of Ember's overheat mechanic OR make it where her damage output is going insane at max overheat like for Gauss in Redline. Allow her 4 to actually do significant damage in line with the more recent Warframes that have been getting good damaging Ults. Like Qorvex and Dagath have a good kit where their Ults can melt enemies quite fine. HELL, JADE's weapons are heat based where you can just stack heat damage only and she does significantly more damage than Ember's Ult.

[@krafaKhan]

Ember < gauss < ember skin

[@lolzonezzzz]

Gauss < Ember < Ember skin

[@donhall2812]

The issue you brought up with ember is easily solvable by putting thermal sunder on her, and you can use fireblast for the overgaurd and healing

[@YD-nd1be]

They should remove sight check on her 4 and increased the dmg

[@pixelschubser2556]

If you run out of energy with embers immolation, you're using the wrong build.

[@theforkedman3030]

I preferred classic world on fire ember. She was a glass cannon but she did damage.

[@gipsyavenger13]

Idk man, the Gauss argument is very weak, because this makes 3/4 of warframes irrelevant with this argument. (which is far from truth). Not to mention, Thermal Sunder is Gauss' helminth so that makes HIM irrelevant LOOOOOL. Because warframes like Garuda can do what Gauss does but with better synergy.

[@gabrielsalinas4386]

gauss helminth is nerfed and dmg capped on other frames but yeah, thermal sunder garuda and rhino are far stronger than ember 😂

[@gipsyavenger13]

@@gabrielsalinas4386 even with the nerf, it's still spammable like no tomorrow. You can put that on Ember and do the same thing. Gauss other abilities are very boring in comparison to garuda, ember and rhino. His 1 often gets ignored in direct fights, his 2 keeps him alive (although it doesn't protect him from everything) and 4 is just fire rate, attack speed and fire rate buttttttttt. Arcane acceleration does increase fire rate and you can use that on buffing frames like Mirage and get way better results so, idk man, lolz.

[@b3njamindupuy587]

​@@gipsyavenger13tho I am a gauss fanatic have you played gauss to say any of that ? Sure his 2 doesn't protect you from everything but the enemies that don't deal IPS blast heat or cold are quite the rare ones Not having to use fire rate attack speed allows you to run other arcanes But it doesn't change the fact that gauss doesn't make ember irrelevant "because he does certain things better"

[@InfameSnake]

Build at 10:53

[@emperor_prime2011]

I still don't like the way Immolation works. Losing constantly and at an increasing rate energy just to get more damage reduction and armor strip isn't worth it. Without the energy drain the ability would be finally good. In the meantime I freeze whole rooms with my Frost Prime, kill them with my Tenet Glaxion (which gives me energy back), then rinse and repeat.

[@lucfal5978]

The energy drain especially after the tweaks is severely overstated. I can very easily manage immolation and gloom with excessive range and not even full efficiency at this point. Immolation isn’t the issue, it’s that her ULT does nothing besides slightly CC enemies and charge her heat meter at this point. It’s dead as a DPS ability which is the type of frame she’s supposed to be.

[@exostorm]

Immolation is actually easy to manage if you really think about it

[@oysteivi]

The sad thing about Ember is her entire kit feel like she should be an ability nuker with her 4, but it's just underwhelming in steel path. While in non steel path, just pressing 4 clears everything, making her a one button frame.

[@Scudboy17]

Sorry, but I can't trust a guide made by someone who runs Ember with a syadana. You are literally obscuring the only reason to play Ember.

[@justagamethrower]

You literally have wisp at your disposal

[@dev4159]

​@@justagamethrower there needs to be more.

[@mightymushroom4980]

If you're playing just for ass then you're playing the wrong game, there are better ones on other games 😂

[@OrloxPhoenix]

​@@mightymushroom4980You haven't noticed the amount of ass that is on Warframe then

[@saadallahfriou6438]

Bro i was loading my brain in this comment and then im like Ohhhh i get it

[@pilot1730]

But does gauss have that ASSet compared to ember heirloom skin?

[@CorpusGreed]

No. And that means:

[@Warframe_Rhino]

Ember is better than gauss

[@rgabi91]

"You have to rely on a weapon to deal damage in steel path"??????? You what??? Tell me you don't play Ember without telling me you don't play Ember.

[@unrealdraven6854]

Alright then, how would you play ember? I'm not even being sarcastic, I genuinely want to know

[@iwancarnifex]

So you can kill level 500 by using her inferno?

[@iwancarnifex]

Im still waiting for your answer

[@lolzonezzzz]

You probably doesn’t even play Warframe ☠️

[@zh112]

dude, seriously? i think u might use ember in normal mission and thought u were using her in steel path mission, am i right? or as this other person said in the comment, u never played warframe before lol. u were being funny, i understand. total noob u are.

[@decat4]

most op ass in the entire game

[@SjejsjejJxdjjedjej]

REAL

[@EddyKane6]

Gauss is maybe better, but Ember is hot.

[@kapsaysin]

So true

[@Naya_Griffin]

🔥🔥🔥

[@AshN1ght]

I miss old inferno man...

[@kortex5130]

YoU wIlL nEvEr PlAy dude she's my most used frame. my main

[@abysswalker7712]

I am glad you like her, but he is referring to the majority of players here, and honestly.... Even though I don't hate her, I also, like most people, never play her. There is nothing she does that another frame can't do better. Even if you use the argument about having variety and playing more than 3 frames, we have over 50 frames in the game now.... She needs more tweaks, specially because Heat Inherit exists, and most people don't know about it. So in all honesty, you could be making both your heat procs and your teammates do considerably less damage with your skills.

[@kortex5130]

@@abysswalker7712 I loved her through all of her incarnations, even when she was nerfed down too much. This latest tweak made her super nice imo. I use exothermic and the updated healing flame which now grants over guard, providing defense and energy regen. Molt augumented and arcane energize for better energy sustain and more power strength and made all of my stats balanced with a focus in str With roar over fireball, it's a pretty dope sustainable build that nukes on low levels and nicely debuffs for your AoE weapons later on. Yea other frames can do her job too, and arguably better, but the playstyle is different. That means I actively avoid the "better" frame because their play style is just worse and kinda boring imo

[@zeothesnowwolf2937]

@@abysswalker7712 Majority of players don't care about meta or being optimal. it only seems that way because all the tryhards flock to KZbin and reddit comment sections to flaunt their superiority complex. And this is coming from a Mesa main, sometimes playing the "good" characters gets boring fast as hell and some would rather stick to something they enjoy even if it isn't "good". I only ever play Rev for EDA and it's boring as hell because even if my weapons suck I can just spam my mesmer shield and make the run effortless. I only play him for that and void cascade and I don't have fun doing it. Meanwhile playing Loki with Rakta dagger or Equinox is fun as hell and allows me to challenge myself and overall become better

[@abysswalker7712]

@zeothesnowwolf2937 You are kind of reinforcing my point indirectly here. I never once talked about meta, I am simply acknowledging that people prefer other frames, even the non sweaty ones. If you enjoy her and are having fun, I am genuinely happy for you, I also like frames that are not mainstream like Banshee. But going back to the video title, it's unfortunately true that most people won't play her, and the Heirloom isn't going to change that, it might have a spike for a short while, but it will go down again. As a nuking frame, she falls off really hard on SP and above (where most sweatys are), and in base missions (where most players are) there are many other frames that nuke faster and with much less investment, they need to keep tweaking her. Most people don't have access to energy economy sources, like shards and energize, to upkeep her consumption well, and it doesn't help that she saps more energy than other nukes, specially if you don't play her that well, it's like you are constantly being chased, frantically casting, when you are without any good economy on her. Why would a regular player use her instead of Volt, for example, that nukes faster and easier in lower levels, or Mesa, or any other frame that just plays better at lower levels. Ps. The Heat Inherit thing was supposed to show how she can actually lower most people damages. It's not supposed to be the core of what I was trying to convey.

[@abysswalker7712]

@kortex5130 I am glad you like her, I also enjoy lesser used frame like Banshee and Limbo, I was mostly trying to explain that most people don't play her, not just because there are "better" options, but because there too many frames in the game that can nuke, and most players don't have good energy economy on their builds, so they end up using other frames that nuke faster and are easier to use. Her changes were good, but I think that unlike Frost, she could do with being tweaked a little more.

[@VincentRoyceMorgan]

People say Gauss is better. But you still can't argue Ember doesn't have the better backside.

[@adamswing6115]

Gauss has vibrating armpits, does ember have vibrating armpits?

[@bernee8162]

I think all outdated basic element abilities should just have their augments infused into the ability and unlocked when the ability reaches its max level except for saryn, chroma can have the same thing on his one but nerfed bcs he can switch between them and scales with his other abilities. ember's four needs a buff for more utility.

[@Noxims47314]

the amount of augments that should just be baked into the builds without filling up a modslot. its almost like Incarnon system tree branches should be implemented into abilities and exalted weapons.... cough.

[@DragonFangX]

Something I think gets a bit overlooked with some of these videos comparing two Warframes is the WHEN a Warframe becomes available and therefore how strong SHOULD the Warframe be out of the box based on when you can acquire them in game. Ember is first available at Saturn while Gauss is available at Sedna. Therefore to me it makes sense Gauss should be a little stronger. So if anything, Ember could also be considered a good introduction to such a gameplay style while Gauss is the later upgrade. Nothing wrong with that, honestly.

[@Fedico7000]

Nothing wrong with it, until you consider that most of the players who will user her for more than 1.2% of their account time will want her to work in the other 99.5% of content they will end up playing far FAR beyond that point.

[@FranzNF]

My reason to chose Ember: I have her prime and haven't farmed Gauss

[@Dima666Air]

i have 1 problem with ember her entire kit feels like "we will punish you for using your skills But we won't give anything in return"

[@The_Quaalude]

The ability spamming gets annoying at high levels. The overguard gained from her 3 and the damage from her 4 is very low once you fight enemies in the hundreds.

[@naw613]

That’s because she’s still not meant to be an overguard frame. It’s only there to protect her after using her 3. This is because her 3 resets the damage reduction from her 1, so the overguard protects you while it builds back up

[@gabrielsalinas4386]

my exact problem with her thats why i subsumed off inferno for roar and play her with heat weapons its fun and her passive help sanpshotting big roars

[@ashamane]

Out of curiousity, why 3 blue archon shards to replace Flow (150 energy from archon vs 300+ energy from primed flow) instead of 3 tauforged reds for power vs unbuffed umbral intensify? (45% from 3x tauforged vs 44% from the mod). I guess the prime argument is tauforged is more for highly played mains vs regular for the typical frames and a rarer resource. But I guess to anyone intending to play Ember often, or once you hit the point you're swimming in shards with plenty procc'd tauforged, why not use Primed Flow and 3 tauforged red for the power instead?

[@clinz4867]

Because of heat inheritance if you hit an enemy with her 4 then use the kuva nukor or any status weapon all of the heat procs applied will do the same amount of damage of her fourth ability so if embers fire does 2000 damage, and yoy apply 20 heat procs they take 40000 damage a tick no matter how strong the heat procs are.

[@clinz4867]

Just to add on, because roar effects the fire procs from her ability twice if you have a 50% damage buff with roar and her fire does 2000, + 20 heat procs you have 40000(1.5)(1.5) which equals 90000 damage or 2.25x damage just from using roar with 167% ability strength

[@Mars23223]

​@@clinz4867Which is nothing because enemies now have 10s of millions of hp😂

[@casinoqedan]

Ember uses 1 tau green, change the first skill for hidroyd first, you use exptermic (4th skill augment) and there you go, you have a zone nuker that also has animation struggle, making her a really nice sector defender

[@jacobdrummond294]

dope build

[@fatguyinalittlecoat4695]

Ima try this and get back to you

[@Its_Might]

This is like saying something like Protea the best warframe you will never play. “Protea is good but xaku is better so you shouldn’t play protea” what type of logic is that brother. And on top of that ember can clear steel path just as effectively as gauss if not better with the right build.

[@TrySomeFish]

especially when there's 57 warframes in the game. There's always gonna be overlap and always gonna be a more meta character. play the warframe you like more, unless you're just in love with minmaxing and nothing else.

[@lolzonezzzz]

Wanna play protea, play protea but if you want something BETTER use xaku that’s what he’s basically saying. 🤦

[@majula1518]

i hate meta warframe youtubers, for the millionth time any frame can be good and can take care of business. by that logic half the frames are useless

[@quadirdenson333]

honestly cause ever frame can pretty much be built to do it all just like ember and gauss

[@majula1518]

@@quadirdenson333 it’s a power fantasy though you can take a shit frame and build it good and perform well, same with weapons. there is no competition and the term meta in warframe is just so stupid

[@watercactus9441]

If you dont like his weapons and opinions why are you here?

[@gabrielsalinas4386]

spot the inaros main

[@majula1518]

@@gabrielsalinas4386 inaros is my most played and he’s fun to me and it makes no difference because i don’t do level cap. most people don’t do level cap anyways so it doesn’t matter

[@yin-fire3263]

First comment, let's gooo 🎉

[@emadhosseinbor2821]

Idk why no one mention that gauss with his augment thermal transfer also can fuse heat and cold to his weapons but the way they combine with you weapon element is bit weird actually

[@TheLoneCrusader]

I thought gauss had an augment to infuse his thermal sunder damage onto his weapon. And with high enough duration, you could do what embers heat infusion does, but better

[@albBuBi1]

Until that skin releases and everyone will play her :D

[@rickdiculous2477]

I was a little surprised when you said Gauss. I was expecting Dante, cause once I played Dante, I thought to myself "This is exactly what I wish I was doing on Ember." But Gauss makes sense too.

[@tye2322]

hey lil off topic but do u think u could do a video on what someone should focus on getting with ducats during tennocon? theres a lot of primed mods i dont have (lets be honest i have 2 in total lol) and it would be nice to know what should be grabbed first, or if there is anything else worth grabing from him during would be nice to know... cant imagine im the only one who would like a guide on this :) love ur videos :)

[@brandonstronko1673]

I would love this

[@adamswing6115]

Shock 60/60s, then primed mods for the basic ability buffs like flow, stretch, continuity yada yada. Those are priority number 1

[@kmyczek1273]

Doesnt gauss have an augment that infuses the weapon with heat/cold damage?

[@s0r03]

Yep I said the same thing his thermal sunder augment gives you that

[@walpurgisnight7]

If you can't manage her energy well, throw on Equilibrium.

[@lolzonezzzz]

**Sabbuchi would like to know your location**

[@walpurgisnight7]

@@lolzonezzzz He already has it. There's an understanding between us lol

[@1skapero]

My opinion is, if we talk gauss, he is so much better than ember, but this rework on ember is great for the old player who loves ember, now is more viable, and that is enough for playing this warframe again, at least for me

[@CephalonSilva]

Good video though it may have been received better if it was focused purely on Ember and her changes while giving Gauss a short 15 second shoutout similar to what you did at the end for Frost.

[@Waelleto]

My biggest problems with Ember is that her kit works against herself, an overheat mechanic on a heat warframe doesn't make sense (saryn doesn't get sick, volt doesn't get electrocuted, frost doesn't get frozen) and the OG doesn't make sense on a warframe who thrives on armor/dr/health

[@azurebliss152]

just compulsively turn it on and off, lol. unless you're really struggling you'll pretty much never need it to be full. slap on an adaptation and some passive regen and you're good forever.

[@KenoTerra]

You wouldn’t have to worry about this if you continue to cast her abilities, she is not a weapons platform. She is a caster. if you continuously cast her abilities, she will continuously stay at 90% DR. Not only do you stay at 90% DR you are constantly armor stripping, constantly bombing the room, and your abilities only get stronger the more you use them I understand if you can’t deal with a trade-off on a frame, but don’t call it bad because you can’t deal with it . The trade-off encourages you to use fire blast. Then you learn that you have to cycle the abilities we win you start going in a constant motion of casting & CC

[@Waelleto]

@@KenoTerra I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but ember is horrible and deals half the dmg of other casters with twice the restrictions and if you think otherwise you're coping

[@azurebliss152]

@@KenoTerra actually, sorry to break it to you, but ember is VERY versatile and can be a very good weapon platform, i use her as a hybrid for weapon AND casting. thats all i had to say, the rest is fine and youre 100% right, just keep casting stuff and it works... beacuse fire, LOL

[@azurebliss152]

​@@Waelleto yes... and no. its not a straightforward warframe, thats all. just like oberon you gotta know how to use her, not just asume her abilities will do everything, or simply use her as a weapon platform. she is better as a mix of the two, think of it like an armor strip support, with the armor rework shes quite fine right now even in damage (altough, obviously doesnt compare to caster-dedicated warframes). its not for everyone but with some sustain and knowing how to balance her, you can get pretty far, in fact she has become my favourite warframe since a while ago for her versatility.

[@jh9794]

Most of embers abilities require you to maintain at least positive strength, scaling more with immolation. That said you do want more strength, just don't go negative.

[@anicrimsonruby]

Gauss: Does everything Ember does but better. Ember: Cake. I mean... cake is meta, no?

[@azurebliss152]

tbh in my experience with ember, she is better focused for weapons that can benefit from the fire damage buff, built as a tank and having some cc from its sentinel. if you're having trouble just spam anything and it will work because fire + armor strip rework. she is my goto warframe for basically any mission due to how easy it is for her to get out of any struggle, from entranti labs to the halls of lua, slap a few crystals, archon vitality and get some passive regen plus the arcane that heals when casting abilities and it just won't die, whatever happens just spam your stuff, nobody in your team will die either cause you throwing heals constantly by using your stuff to strip armor from whole rooms, this way effectively supporting the team in both damage and heals while also CCing even the biggest rooms. btw if you're struggling to CC enemies with her 3, just jump in the air, midroom, and throw it while you're up there. itll hit everyone, no escape. not enough? do it twice, armor strip will reach 100%+ and it bypasses overguard. (even works with shielded enemies if they have armor below it).

[@timmonreal5499]

Why not put dispensary on her first ability so u have infinite energy protea hemlith ability

[@internet2oup650]

idc how mid she might be her heirloom skin is enough to make me main her for atleast a month (I don't even play that often)

[@krivejkrivex8690]

Yeah but if you take Gaus and Amber have same roles the play style is totally different.

[@Wrazzix]

I knew Gauss was gonna be mentioned, so i did a terrible thing but been having ao much fun. I put Thermal Sunder in number 1 with Archon Vitality and boom, big damage 😁, i really enjoy the playstyle!

[@James-9999]

Thermal sunder aug can give your wep fire, cold or explosive dmg😭😭😭😭

[@jameshaston5427]

As melee lover player, still stick with my Voruna😂

[@hexerin]

The problem is that Ember doesn’t scale for Steel Path. Her damage needs to be increased, and the %chance on Exothermic needs to scale with ability strength.

[@lolzonezzzz]

Ember main rising from the dead after the heirloom was leaked 📈

[@loct5370]

Let's just say I'm gonna pass on any cape syndana lol

[@ttungstenn4842]

Replacing her 1 with Roar will provide huge damage to her abilities. The key is cast her 3 to apply heat in a large AOE, hopefully getting you 150%+ extra ability strength from her passive. Use this high strength for Roar. Then once Roar is active, using her 3 will again give that huge ability strength buff AND armor strip enemies, then her 4 will easily nuke level 300+ SP. Her abilities are not weak.

[@MetaDargon]

You also have to wait for the meter to fill if you want to armor strip on gauss, unless you are at 100 percent

[@dev4159]

F@ck meta bro, i play what's fun

[@gabrielsosa6936]

Ok

[@gabrielsalinas4386]

meta = fun just face the reality

[@dev4159]

@@gabrielsalinas4386 Nah, if the meta isn't according to my taste and play style it isn't fun, face reality. Not everyone goes for the best of the best.

[@lolzonezzzz]

@@dev4159big numbers = fun admit it

[@SR-de8rd]

My issue with the "rework" is that her 4th was completely ignored, the supposed ultimate ability that effectively works as a glorified heat primer (which is what Fireblast is supposed to do) everywhere outside of the normal path, when the latest frames such as Dagath, Qorvex and Dante have ultimates that deal tens of thousands of damage at base

[@OrloxPhoenix]

You can target enemies like 5 meters behind you, and now is a bit more consistent targeting. That's about everything they changed with the ult.

[@SR-de8rd]

@@OrloxPhoenix and that is part of the general LoS rework so it doesn't even count

[@OrloxPhoenix]

@@SR-de8rd it's an indirect buff. Whether if you count it or not it will stil be there.

[@OctoDADDY.]

The best warframe you will never play... As I'm literally playing with her right now.