Trail Vs Enduro eBikes - Is There Really A Difference?

[@rsanoian]

Rode a Santa Cruz Heckler for a couple years, just bought a 2022 Specialized Turbo Levo Expert and installed a 180 kit on the front and Cascade Components LT link with EXT E Storia coil (165mm) and its absolutely amazing! I love the adjustability on the Levo, being able to adjust height and head angle is a game changer. Had several problems with the Shimano EP8 motor, not very reliable and too many failure points with their Di 2 cables. I raced DH in the 90's and wanted something in the 170 range for an all around trail/enduro bike, with a motor it just makes sense for what I ride. Love the channel guys, best EMTB content on the web!

[@richdevil77]

Rode both bikes on a Demo day and on paper the Strive ticked all box’s however was shocked to find the Spectral so much easier to find the best line. I ride a gen 1 Levo SL with a 170 fork up front and feel the Strive too long and chunky for the tech stuff. The Shimano EP 801 also felt better than expected and that 900 w battery may just seal the deal for me 🤘🏻

[@embn]

Do you agree with Steve and Adam's ideas on Trail and Enduro EMTBs? Which category eBike do you ride? Share your thoughts with the EMBN community!

[@nunofreitas9059]

How mutch difference is in both of this 2 bikes when using the same amount of motor output in terms of climbing time and speed? Kepping the rpm e efforts at the same?

[@michaelandrew6394]

Both of these bikes are Enduro...the neuron on is canyons trail bike

[@vashon100]

@@nunofreitas9059 much vs mutch , keeping vs kepping

[@weenan]

Keep in mind that the Spectral got updated with a longer travel fork but Canyon never changed the geometry numbers. So I suspect it has 0.5 degree slacker headtube and a little shorter reach than specified.

[@jonnybrown5715]

Was torn between spectral and strive... went with spectral as have a great sale at minute and got a better spec, great video, keep up the work lads

[@jonnybrown5715]

Correcting my post, spectral was shocking build, not sealed well enough for UK weather and has the stupid knock block!!! Bike went back and went for a levo gen 3 carbon, components not as good as spectral but much better frame, motor, etc and can upgrade components over time

[@andrextr]

With motor , why not long travel e-bikes ? Love my Husky’s 180

[@scottpratico1315]

Nailed it guys. It's horses for courses. If you blast fast all the time, get more travel. If you like tight and technical less travel may be right for you. I tide a 160/150 and find it works well everywhere.

[@topjmmi]

I just bought the Spectral ON 8 with the 900wh battery and I'm glad I did, I put 24 miles on it today keeping cadence up high as much as possible with 3300 elevation and was down to one red battery bar left lol. I am a heavy guy so not a big surprise but anything less and I would have been walking. I don't like the look of the down tube on the Strive, it's huge! Spectral is a sweet bike.

[@Raumance]

Bad choice. Shimano ep8 has the least range and weakest motor. Almost 20% less range than competition.

[@phantombigballs8165]

Shame the spectral has the shimano motor... I would have got the spectral. However just ordered a strive as it has the bosch motor

[@bradsanders6954]

@@Raumance That's online BS, in real life the shimano works just fine. I can do 60 miles on my EP8 bike.

[@gisho9]

Only 24 miles with a 900wh battery and EP8 motor? Yikes. I put 21 miles on my measly 540wh YT decoy with old E8000 motor with similar elevation 50/50 boost/trail and I weigh 200lbs. I really hope that it would get more mileage than that with a 900wh battery!?

[@spayrex_]

@@gisho9 depends on how steep you are going... with bosch cx and 625wh i can do 20km climbing a hill and like 110km going straight...

[@SembiZombero]

Kierkegaard: "Comparison is the end of happiness and the beginning of discontent."

[@Dannyjones1]

I'm very fortunate in the fact that I have a trail/trials EMTB with 160 travel and have a 180 travel enduro EMTB on the way next week for bike park/ steep techy trails and ultimately racing. Both are MX or Mullet.

[@michal.stachanczyk]

Something in the middle, so Spectral ON + 170mm upfront :)

[@thebikeyear1969]

Had the spectral CF 9 a week , great spec ,great up and down , its a mint bike

[@bradsanders6954]

Ive had the spectral ON CF8 for almost a year, it has worked great everywhere I take it. Im one a those freaks that still rides my amish road/mountain bikes way more than the EMTB, variety is a good thing.

[@RideShagbark]

Any word on if Canyon is bringing more eMTB models or spec levels to the US shores? We keep seeing great models and spec level options on the channel here, but selection is a bit lacking.

[@almostawesomewithwill9251]

What about the torque:on 7 vs the spectral:on its got 180 in the front. Is there a noticeable difference. Should i care? I live in florida lots of switch backs

[@PatParvum]

Sometimes i forget just how good Steve is downhill. And now also uphill with emtbs!

[@grantnewby3756]

Love my Lev Alloy Comp and what it allows me to do and where I can go. Just need MGU to top it off.

[@ioannisparaskevopoulos1120]

I want the extra travel even if I will not use it...and if needed, why not have it? Also, higher bottom brackets lead to less pedal strikes on rocky climbs.

[@johnh4650]

I hear you but on the "why not".. sounds like you give up a little ease of cornering carving ability

[@chriswiles87]

I have never swapped a EMTB battery. Max I have done is 50km take a break and charge for a few hours and then do another 50km.

[@Magoo71]

Wireless Shifting and Wireless Seat Dropper are something that I will never replace as there is no replacement for how the operation works with every use! Good Job Adam and Stevie!

[@advwxyz]

thanks, really informative in terms of things to consider... well done team.

[@craigbest8644]

Does the Spectral ON come in alloy? Thought it was CF or CFR only.

[@gastonice5203]

170 mm and Removable batteries its a must for me! or those we live in an appartment and we must leave owr machines in the parking garage, interesting thing, those rubber plugs that covers the charging connector are same as scott ones

[@ashpunting]

So i guess im ok with a 150 140 travel with a 29" wheel 650/wh battery 85Nm vitus E-Escarpe for my first proper electric mountain bike 👍🏽😊

[@Bosko1000RR]

Hi. Great video, can you tell me if its a big difference on steep hill climb & and which one you recomended more?

[@JohnnyDeep76.]

@emtb would love to hear about sizeing in the market for a spectral on, I'm 5'6" with a 29" inseam long arms

[@razorree]

Steve: "cable and manual derailleur", but a few minutes before he was praising auto-shift... (which is electronic, right? :) ) ....

[@johnh4650]

Yea .. I thought this was weird also. BTW: I recently went to a wireless GX transmission and found it to be a game-changer! I couldn't care less about the aesthetics of no cable. The ability to smoothly shift under load is huge on a Torque monster e-mtb not to mention the extended chain life.

[@MrAndrew2509]

Kenevo sl all day long. great show guys.

[@MTBPerspective]

My Giant Trance E+ seems to handle everything (I'm willing to ride) in my region and going to the Reign would be wasted on me. Get what you think you need for what you are willing to ride where you ride the most. Rent something if you go on a trip and really need more/less bike

[@BeatstormX]

Giant Reign e+1 is great value for the price, around 6k for 170/160 travel with fox factory and kashima coating

[@marklouieadame]

Still in my opinion 90-100XC Bike, 110-120 DownCountry 120-140 Trail, 145-155 all Mountain(mini Enduro) and 160-175 Full Enduro. 185 and above are Downhill bikes.

[@DelDelap]

great video, i'd love either bike maybe the Strive more thou ;-)

[@ericphillips9240]

Weight matters, weight makes a lot of difference when you’re doing uphill, black diamonds, and downhill black diamonds

[@bradsanders6954]

The weight of the rider is what matters of course.

[@islandaerial3414]

Good luck getting your 'mail order' bike warranteed WHEN the DU packs it in...

[@myphotos]

Does 5mm here and there make much of a difference what if my arm is 5mm difference to the next person? 64 degree angle Vs 64.5 degree would you truely notice?😊

[@johnh4650]

I thought they covered this with a " really does not matter that much"

[@neilelliston]

Which one is easier to jump?

[@fadjarroosdianto6079]

I think e bike built for all mountain. Enduro is just a mini downhill, no need electric that much. A 140-150mm fork just is just perfect.

[@michaelandrew6394]

This video isn't even accurate because the neuron is the trail bike...this is Enduro vs Enduro...

[@freerider4148]

What is the range on the spectral with the 900 battery.

[@Wiroe]

That tiny front rotor on the Spectral looks a bit out of place…

[@tomquimby8669]

What these guys (viewers) need to know is why are these bike so expensive.

[@benmulleady7266]

Did anybody mention bike companies just capitalising on "names"?

[@pcarts232]

Exactly 👍🏾it’s all bollocks imo , any trail embt can be ridden on an enduro trail it’s all about comfort, longer travel definitely soaks up the bigger bumps etc but it’s no more capable than a 150mm travel bike!

[@Rui_Caridade]

Hi, can some one help me to decide if buying a used (or service) Moustache Samedi Game 6 from 2021 is a good choice? Or should I buy a new Stylus e-All Montain from Decathlon? Thanks for your support.

[@mikerbwind]

Capability is the difference.....but that comes from a sum of the parts not any single component. A full on enduro bike can do it all but only really comes alive on fast gnarly gravity runs. Dial it back a bit...probably mostly in terms of geo and you have a bike that is fun in all but the most extreme conditions......and very few emtb riders ride the extreme stuff...or race.

[@Raumance]

Same amount of emtb riders race as normal riders...

[@pcarts232]

Exactly! Like I said if you pay £9500 for the new Orbea Rise and it can’t be ridden on an “ Enduro” trail then it’s probably down to the rider

[@Raumance]

@@pcarts232 Pretty dumb comment. BB height matters. Lower or slacker HA matters. In general bikes have genuine differences that translate into how they work and handle.

[@pcarts232]

@@Raumance not as dumb as yours but you comment on every post . Enjoy 👍🏾

[@drfasthousevonbrainstorm]

Not everyone rides in race mode 100% of the time. I ride 50miles a week, 10 miles in FastHouse mode.

[@Ken-pz1qb]

When is Strive On getting released??

[@ianlinnell5189]

I was split on these two bikes. In the end, went for the strive as don’t like the Shimano cockpit and preferred the Bosch motor. Nothing in it though. Both great bikes, although 900w battery would have been nice!!!

[@Raumance]

Shimano ep8s have almost 20% less range while having less power. All other motors do 1400m+ vert on a 750wh battery while shimano does 1200+m. So no you don't really have a 900wh battery when it's on a shimano bike.

[@Stefan-yw7ce]

I do 1100m climbing with the old 504wh battery and e8000 motor. And that isn't on eco mode.

[@Raumance]

@@Stefan-yw7ce ep8 is the newer motor.. The weakest in the market. It's the highest mode. No one cares what you do on lower modes. EP8 will do a little over 800 meters on a 500Wh battery. Other motors will nearly a thousand.

[@bradsanders6954]

@@Raumance Steve has clearly shown the shimano does more than your saying, where do you get your ides?

[@spayrex_]

​@@Raumance are we talking about ep8 or ep801 because right now it comes with 801 idk if it was the ep8 10 months ago

[@ForbinColossus]

@10:18 In the USA, Strive only has the EP8 motor - not the Bosch (damn it)

[@weenan]

There is no Strive in the USA yet and also there is no Strive with an EP8.

[@bradsanders6954]

The Bosch makes a lot of power....are we talking over 1/2 HP in real world terms? 46HP is where it gets interesting. The lower bottom bracket on the spectral ON, the sag needs to be set pretty exactly, pedal strikes can really suck. I run a little less sag than called for.

[@guambra2001]

For e-bikes enduro is the way to go unless you’re riding a lightweight ebike, and in that case I’d go for a trail instead of enduro.

[@Raumance]

I wouldn't want an Enduro geo on an ebike. Most of the riding is trail pedaling. So not do slack and higher bb is beneficial. Use to do Enduro before switching.

[@marcopaganotto9125]

Gentlemen, you're debating whether a bike with 5mm to 10mm additional travel is better than the one with 5mm to 10mm less travel! Frankly, 1cm +/- travel will literally make zero difference!

[@bikespike711]

Commercial - a tad long though

[@eduardoguillen6385]

I just ridiculed, I have a BMC agonist with 120 mm travel and I can ride any trail even downhill no big jump or anything like that if you have dissent skills you don’t need all this bikes. A good bike with 140 mm should be enough for any kind of terrain, trail, enduro, even downhill.

[@BryceLovesTech]

The future is going to be 200mm travel bikes. 140mm is so five years ago.

[@chriswiles87]

no 4k?

[@22Jeffers]

I’d buy the one I could afford! 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@S14AA]

more of a challange style video each rider each bike each obstacle or task more so

[@sidneyscott3683]

Trek E caliber.

[@REDIUS999]

The price of canyon is just horrendous … only rich folks can buy it If I wanna put 3 to 6k€ in a bike better buy the DJI bike which is way ahead better than any other brand

[@locar12]

"all mountain bike" it is

[@redleaderone8429]

Ya it sells more bikes duh?

[@riley6723]

Just fast forward to 45 seconds left on the video.

[@YTOnlineReviews]

Scarce riding

[@daliborsabolek8861]

Neznam šta pričate jer vas ne razumijem a volio bih vas razumjeti

[@pcarts232]

I’d never buy a Canyon the paintwork is awful quality but not as bad as their customer service. 0/10.. As for the bike I have the Orbea Rise M10 it’s a good alrounder that does everything, it’s just about what trail you ride it on , but for the average rider it literally doesn’t make the slightest bit of difference

[@jharsh3376]

Unsubscribing. Another canyon commercial. They must pay well.

[@ashnose]

Bye bye

[@phantombigballs8165]

Goodbye you won't be missed

[@guambra2001]

Person gets mad at free KZbin content. Just don’t watch if you don’t like it.

[@davefreeman9347]

There’s me thinking all those people who will struggle to find clean water to drink today have got problems, Jharsh is frustrated by his free KZbin viewing, thats real problems folks.

[@davefreeman9347]

@@adamproph5106 I’ve heard similar things around Canyon buddy

[@frankdepasquale8715]

Auto shift is for lazy people I want to shift the bike myself you got a motor what else do you need stop being lazy 💪

[@jordanmackay3568]

Sick of manufactures spurting out 150 travel bikes. With a motor why would you not want 170 or more. And don't say some trails only need 150, I've never felt over biked even on a 180 / 180

[@earlytimz]

Not everyone enjoys a 60 lb emtb.

[@tomquimby8669]

Me and Adam?? what is it with the bike network that disregards English grammar. No wonder the youth prefer free wheeling tiktok as no rules apply

[@lglimited]

Does anyone with a Strive use it for jumps and bike park?

[@Chris-ve5vo]

All I know is I'll never buy canyon or specialized because of how the riders act. None of those made up classifications will make you ride better, just like your skinny shorts and hard shoes don't. As a MTBer since the 80's, I haven't wanted to be associated with MTB since it came out because of all the overly pretentious crap you guys care about. I can beat 9/10 riders using an old beach cruiser with MTB tires. None of that stuff matters and you guys preaching it, makes the sport even worse.

[@scottpratico1315]

You sound very judgemental. Been doing this since '84 and have ridden with every type from Lycra to Denim. Most cyclists are cool as......except recumbents.....bloody philistines.

[@pcarts232]

The difference between 150mm and 170mm is hardly noticeable, I had the Orbea wild with 180 mm and now have the Rise with 150 mm , I ride both bikes in the same places , no difference whatsoever imo . If you pay £9500 for the new Orbea Rise it should be able to be ridden anywhere!

[@richardlj13]

Which do you prefer to ride?

[@phantombigballs8165]

No but the people selling you the bikes would make you believe that there is 😮

[@Raumance]

Bb height is pretty important on an ebike. The amount of pedal strikes on an ebike is exponentially higher.

[@earlytimz]

@@Raumance 160mm crank arms on my Rise sure helped a ton!