Cheap E Bike Vs Super Bike | Is A Top Of The Range Electric Mountain Bike Worth It?

[@jazzman_10]

The back tire of the hartail was so worn out... That is a huge difference right there.

[@stevejones7956]

Tyre wasn't worn out, it was simply not a great tread pattern

[@shaldon08]

Wow, who would have thought a worn out tyre would struggle for traction? I’m amazed as thought it would dig into the mud just like a new tyre would

[@likeher9]

Yeah Me too, I was amazed when it didn't grip? You can see how Steve was confused, complicated, tricky!

[@TheAquanomad]

What was the point in this video? It's hardly a bombshell moment to find out the bottom of the range bike with worn tyres is worse than the top level bike with decent tyres. Why not get Blake on the low end bike and you on the high end bike and test the jump performance?

[@skyviewdroneimagery5408]

Would have been good if you at least put the same tyres on both

[@johnchristopher5075]

I’ve now watched this several times and quite frankly I’m stunned into incrudity that Steve could have been part of this unholy mess, unless that is, it was some kind of joke. This is the only rationale I’ve been able to apply that makes sense. I ride a Giant Fathom E+3 29er which I brought as my first entry level e-bike for £1800. In the 18 months I’ve ridden it, I’ve uprated the front shocks, the brakes, the rotors, saddle and a dropper post along with another set of rims and a mega set of Maxxis DH and Aggressor boots to go along with my Maxxis Ardents. Most of the people I ride with have opted for the HT and I can count of less than one hand those who have splashed out on a all singing all dancing E full suss. The reason is pretty self evident for anybody who has taken notice of 2020. In this era of Covid, the people I know cannot justify either to themselves or anybody else to spending £5K on a mega super E-MTB. Simples!

[@W0rp3D]

How about doing a more reasonable comparison, budget hard tail Vs high price and budget full sus Vs high price, and possibly a high priced hard that's about the same price as a budget full sus

[@linxdude]

With all of these silly embn comparisons, I read the comments first to see if it’s worth watching. Thanks for saving me from watching this one. Even if it was a fair comparison, I’m sure Steve’s answer would be, “ It depends” anyway.

[@johnchristopher5075]

Does anybody else here smell “hidden agenda” with this tale of two Haibike’s?

[@likeher9]

Yes! You can actually get away with this, if, and only if you don't make it so obvious. Stick with it though because next week they're pitting a brand new Ferrari against a 40 year old Trabant... It's gonna be tight!.

[@stevetaylor2818]

I used to really enjoy your reviews but they are getting more and more pointless! I have a budget bike, but I don't have worn out budget tyres or a small gear range. Appropriate tyres for the appropriate conditions are the single most important part of a bikes setup. Followed by an appropriate gear range to get you up the climbs. Yes, we would expect the superbike to win, but we would like to see an honest result of superbike against a budget bike, that a keen budget bike owner would actually ride in these conditions!

[@jordidiego3391]

this is an unfair comparison, instead of getting the worst budget bike get a budget full sus, first or second in the line starting from bottom, with same tires and the difference won't we as big.

[@paulhusky580bts]

Wonder how All mountain 7 would done if run in same power mode both on Hi

[@kevinshort3943]

Or just one without a worn out rear tyre?

[@johndarch5439]

Wouldn't a comparison between a bottom of the range full suspension Haibike (SDURO full 7 1.0 - 2,799 euro) and the All mountain - 6,199 euro be fairer. (Prices from Haibike site)

[@christianmeer6415]

This just reminded me to get new tyes for my very old very cheap hardtail meat powered go anywhere freedom machine thanks

[@EmmetPowermootski]

Serious bias on this channel towards full suss, expensive machines that are out of reach for most, almost a snobbery, I do enjoy some of the videos but I do fear the channel is becoming somewhat elitist in its outlook on emtbing !!

[@nazriennirwan3504]

Do a comparison with china full suspension bike with bafang motor, come on, we consumer will want to see

[@stevetucker2439]

This channel is getting pointless, I'll give them a couple more before I unsubscribe .

[@federicofraschini13]

I just did

[@userbarny6271]

You on the right way

[@TheWeardale1]

complete waste of time...feel like they're just trolling now

[@jimasquith9007]

Rubbish comparison, hard tail with worn out tyres? What a set up, change the tyres and cassette! I’ve had my Cube hard tail for 3 years because it’s what I could afford. Great fun and more skill required on difficult terrain. Get a grip (literally)!

[@dangerfulmind]

Your family of cycling channels needs to start putting more effort into these comparison videos and also stop with the sponsorship for them too. Totally unfair.

[@robinyuill5137]

As much as I enjoy the channel this was about what? Lowering the standards of reviewing.

[@CamandBass]

Newsflash, more expensive bike is better than cheaper bike. What a revelation!

[@herrlue3639]

This Must ne the most stupidest comparison what anyone did on EBikes. You are not comparing two bikes in the same category. One is a hard tail with really bad tires and a brand new Fully Haibike. This is so wrong. Really bad comparison and it shows me you have no idea of what you are doing.

[@Benjamin_Jehne]

Would have been more fun to see the budget bike with better tyres. The brake test was more a tyre test and also the uphill in the beginning, you see the wheelspinn that stoped you. Would be more interesting to hear, what yor really need to just have some fun. Whats is the lowest range for a fork, do you need 160,140mm or is 120mm maybe enough. Something like that would be more interesting to see :) .

[@ChannelZeroOne]

Enough with these biased test. The like to dislike ratio seems to show others are feeling the same way with this pointless and biased test.

[@MTBs]

The most expensive eMTBs are ridiculously expensive - I would go for something in between, there are many competitors in that segment.

[@lewiss66]

Nice Vidéo. Maybe next time choose the stilus decathlon as budget bike for comparaison.

[@losslessification]

Does the cheap bike leave the factory with a worn tyre? Thanks for at least explaining that a beginner doesn't need to pay a £5.5 barrier to entry.

[@e.u.sheridan9727]

Tyres are consumables,to test the bikes you need the same tyres surely!

[@chiefsilverback]

Given you can put new tires, brakes and drivetrain on the 'cheap' bike for under $500 to address the main issues identified, it would be interesting to see how it compares...

[@riggy42]

Love your vids very entertaining and informative but worn out tyre on the cheaper bike, really?? Not a fair comparison.

[@Nigel345]

I think he just really hates hardtails

[@herrlue3639]

I did not even finish watching the video, so bad from your side.

[@beepingmarvelous.]

You know, if that cheap bike is cluttering up your workshop then this guy would be happy to give it a loving home. 😂

[@MegaNayton]

That rear tyre was no way the original tyre for that budget bike and I have a feeling it was changed to a crappy tyre to make the higher priced ebike look alot better than it is. For one the rear tyre isn't even matching the front tyre. Not sure of you but every bike I've ever had brand new always came with matching tyres. You may of well said this cheap bike is shit because we want to push this higher priced bike more so our sponsor will be happier. I used to like the show but now it seems you just want to push the higher end bikes more. For instance the high end bike had more camera shots of it and even had more information given about it yet the cheap one didn't. Plus when Steve was introducing the cheap bike it almost seemed like he wanted to call it something else as he paused before saying it was a budget bike.

[@RocketMagnetUK]

It's been a long time since I personally considered even normal MTBs Superbikes in the Sub 6K Category never mind an Ebike with their price premium however that Haibike does look reasonable value relative spec wise to many others. I'd like to see entry level Vs the Superbike version of the same model. Still it's a fun little article and clearly not serious and I suspect designed to promote "comments" .. well done it worked on me :)

[@geraldmaybebaby1585]

Please (a quick scan through your videos, I didn't find, or missed) make a video on legality of electric bikes, (road use) May buy a conversation kit 250-1000 watt rear hub And I discovered the derestriction button to switch from 250 to 1000 is illegal for road use, even if it's switched to 250 watt limit. I'm told switch has to be disabled or unconnected to make road legal...a video about that kind of thing. And the thumb or twist throttle is only allowed as a start assist up to 3:7 mph.??

[@jasonpoole6284]

The log challenge, Any normal person would just either go around the log or stop and lift the bike over. rather then taking the risk of smashing either bike up. Pointless, along with many other things going on as mentioned in the comments.

[@johnsshed995]

Bit silly realy ,its like comparing a Austin A40 to a Lamborghini.

[@jaycee2203]

Why didn’t you point out that the budget bike was also Haibike?? Wouldn’t they let you?

[@paulhusky580bts]

are they both same power in mode in Hi 70nm only extra power only 80nm on Yamaha not 85nm that on What power on Bosch

[@heatleynoble]

What bike was the elusive hardtail?

[@geovannypacheco9770]

Get around and have fun.

[@dataanalyst5704]

I suspect Haibike are wanting to sell the cheap ones too? All the ‘big sellers’ have cheaper models so they must be shifting them. EMBN used to be the only EMtb channel I watched but I now watch numerous channels as I don’t think you give the ‘average’ electric mountain biker much inspiration to get out on the trails or information relevant to them, I personally find myself defending my £2700 bike whilst watching. 90% of us are riding sub £3500 bikes. I watch you guys for the same reason as people watch Top Gear.....I may one day win the lottery and buy a koenigsegg Jesko Absolut rather than a Ferrari Dino, ie. I know what I want if my financial situation changes. I know you have to be pulling in the £’s through sponsorship and product placement to survive but you are providing less and less valuable content for most of your viewers and a reduced chance of a smooth segue from analogue to electric powered mountain biking for the majority of your subscribers. Just saying... Still enjoy your videos.

[@rampchamp9283]

As always very entertaining 👍 wish I wasn't working and out on the trails. So hopefully...

[@kevhantamarshall7640]

You really don't need expensive bike to have fun

[@mariokajin]

As you said, “horses for courses “.

[@MegaProtius]

What price do you have to pay to get an ebike that is a better than the cheap bike but more realistic price than super bike? Or just get a better full suspension non ebike for what you pay on cheap ebike.

[@Egcmikey]

Is that model of Haibike really £5599??? With that spec??

[@esotericman22]

Could barely watch this for the ads.

[@deanbattisti4363]

At the end...it is all about the money...to much diference in every aspect,so....unnecessary comparison

[@nazriennirwan3504]

How about do a comparison between hi end western bike vs china bike like dengfu/luna or frey bike, i think they might not dare to do it, all bike frame and component comes from china

[@johndarch5439]

The current bottom of the range Haibike hardtails also have to new Yamaha motor!

[@MumsTx]

Review the elyxon ourea 🤘

[@FlyingFun.]

Funny comparison, totally useless and both bikes are too expensive imho lol. I'll stick to my 30mph £300 conversion kits lol.

[@coreyadams_]

never clock the brake

[@Magnuss576]

the pwx 2 has only 80n nm not 85

[@boggybigpants9462]

Get the best you can afford ...you only live once...next year never comes ...ebikes really are an awesome piece of fun

[@josiahgolding7826]

This would be very helpful for someone who is looking For a ebike for sure!

[@danielchapman3875]

You are great and helpful

[@andythurlow1614]

Looked like a thinly disguised advertisement for Haibike. You've lost your credibility for this pointless none comparison test. Maybe if you'd gone for the best full SUS bike under £2000 against a superbike but as it was it wasn't worth wank

[@tobyehillier]

Softboy living in a hard man's world....

[@paulsimpson6041]

Great channel ,very informative, and got me hooked I am trying to buy a ebike it is proving difficult a local independent retailer sells Gepida bike , anyone had experience of the brand ?

[@Burn377]

That's not a budget bike...

[@AnnaAnna-sd6ol]

Sorry you just compared something ridiculous to a proper bike. But by saying that.. that cheap bike is it came from the shop with ruined tyres? That gear is it what it came with? Besides just compare cheap up to date full sus to higher price full sus.. and cat the c***. Seriously disappointed who came up with this episode .. someone who sniff glue and has no clue or what 🤔🥴😖

[@krymsix574]

The lower end bike is clearly specced for XC, mild trail riding, bike paths (paved and dirt) and maybe even being used as a commuter hence the tires that feature a very light tread on the center with grippers on the outside for better cornering grip in light off-road conditions. The super e-bike looks built as a true all mountain bike that can bomb down descents, tackle any terrain going up and over all manner of obstacles and it gets tires and power units to match that usage out of the gate. As so many others have said this review is at best incompetent and at worse it's disingenuous to lead folks with limited biking knowledge into spending 2k more than they need to because they will fear not being able to get up a hill in rugged terrain or slipping for grip in places where for the cost of tires the bike could have handled these challenges so much better. The tires make such a difference that this review is a moot point since they took the more affordable bike as stock and put it completely in an area where they had to know the tires would let it down. This review could have been so much better had they switched the tires on the affordable bike to match what came on the quiver killer e-super bike and then made their case. Yes the more expensive bike would still ride a little better but it would have been more like the super bike shifts much smoother even when under load, the extra power mode is really handy on a steep section where you might be fighting for grip etc. And not "this $4000 bike is useless you need to buy the super bike or It's a waste." For the cost of tires and eventually a groupset you tackle all of the supposed shortcomings of the affordable bike. I'd also add that they should have taken both bikes to a more manicured, flatter trail, dirt bike paths, on road or paved bike path and tested both bikes out there as well and documented the differences there. I suspect on terrain the affordable bike was intended for it would do just fine while the super bike would have a cherry on top of the cake for sure it would have been completely unnecessary on that type of easier terrain. This review tells you nothing because this review is on par with comparing apples to oranges when making an apple pie.

[@federicofraschini13]

This video is truly terrible

[@TheDudeminator]

Yards... only in the UK...🙄

[@akabukiman]

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[@MadLFC]

This farce video is just a vehicle for Steve to empty all of his subjective hate onto a hardtail emtb. I've owned both and my old hardtail had many great attributes that made me enjoy many successful rides on it. My full sus IS a different beast of course but that's because of what I use it for. My old hardtail excelled at what it was designed for. This video is a ridiculous comparison.

[@johngray8798]

That is hardly a budget Ebike.

[@garisport]

To be fair, same wheels.

[@CurvedSlightly]

If you are a good rider, you will find the limitations of a crap bike and it's components. And, if you ride regularly, you'll find the components don't last long thru wear and tear and damage thru harder riding that a better rider would inflict on the cheaper, inferior components. When I rode in the 90s we didn't have much money so just bought cheap crap, it fell apart after 2 rides as we got better so wasted money on sh1t bikes and components. If you've got the money, get a nice bike, f**k those who hate, it doesn't matter what you ride. Don't look down on people with cheap bikes and don't think those with £10k Specialized are BMW/Audi driving, gel dropping, trail wrecking, loud mouthed nobs... which they usually are :D

[@FCD844]

Pointless

[@userbarny6271]

Come on it must be possible to urn more unlikes then likes, steve you on the right way to anoying your followers, go on cancel EMBN

[@craiggarnett1987]

Seat dropper really bugs me it's a dropper seat post 🐑🐑🐑

[@charliewilson3528]

83rd thumbs up! My ebike wears out brake pads to soon. But I do go fast a lot. And they all ways go out of adjustment every couple rides. There cable disk. But I think the levers are suspicious. Great video!

[@palindar3448]

It must take some creativity to come up with these test..

[@mclifer]

"Lets waste some time"

[@mogeking56]

So..... all I have to do is sell a lot of blood 🩸 and sperm and I will have a super bike and a fat head baby 👶 somewhere

[@curtisf.r6233]

Cool video Steve,👍😎 I would say that budget ebike was more for the road than off road. For £2k an couldnt get up a steepish hill? Better to save up extra £2-3k imo

[@johnchristopher5075]

And your cheque is in the post.........

[@CarlosGlatzos976]

Too many haibikes lately, the ugliest bikes out there in my ipinion. Completely useless comparison anyway because at least they should use the same tires on both bikes. Theres an cheap Fischer Fully with that price tag which would be a far better bike to compare it with the hai.

[@andrewgilbride7546]

Pointless