Cheap Bike Vs Superbike: What's The Difference?

How much difference is there between a Canyon superbike with the Shimano Dura-Ace R9170 hydraulic groupset, and a bike bought from eBay for £90? Matt and Si compete in four challenges: climbing, descending, braking, and time trialling, to see how big the difference is between the two bikes.
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[@NormEllison]

I live in a city where Super Bike very likely means it will someday become someone else's bike.

[@ricktimmermans5969]

This comment is underrated😂😂😂

[@kareemyasser5445]

Oooooh that scares me 🤣

[@thetechfromheaven]

If I get a $6000 meme superbikr OF COURSE I Will invest at least $100 in a concealed GPS system

[@imneveruploadinghere7180]

>someday I think you meant "soon"

[@itqanadiguna831]

Everything will he stolen in my country

[@danilolala]

Here in Brazil, the “cheap” bike is an amazing bike. The expensive one is just a dream 😂😂😂

[@viniciuscologna]

Macho, chegou aqui como? Kkkkk

[@danilolala]

vinicius cologna kkkkk

[@lr44x13]

The "heavy" bike is light bike for me becouse my bike weights 18kg

[@andreasnussbaum5409]

well u can join a cartel, sell drugs and kill people and afford an expensive bike :D

[@danilolala]

@@andreasnussbaum5409 kkkk I better keep out of trouble and enjoy my ok mtb :D

[@dickharrold3096]

I’m an old guy approaching 90 years. I took my bike out of storage after over 30 years, washed it off and had it gone over by a repair guy to be sure it is safe and that everything works. All I’m interested in is getting on the bike, not falling off nor running into somebody. I’m not interested in cutting off a second or two going to the store. My fake knee is improving as a result of my bike riding. But I have to admit I enjoy watching the Tour De France etc.

[@quickce]

I hope when I am approaching 90, I can still get out on a bike! Kuddos to you!!

[@ashketchum4608]

That’s amazing to be able to ride a bike at the age of 90

[@ivangarza2453]

amazing

[@glemmstengal]

keep it up brother, biking is one of the most enjoyable and relaxing ways to stay in shape. great for exploration too.

[@thepub245]

Well done Sir! Enjoy.

[@pieterd5376]

I love how they treat the cheap bike with respect.

[@green_building]

👍

[@chees720]

me too, I own a newer raleigh and I love it

[@OblivionRatula]

I bought a used Raleigh Intrigue 2.0 2 weeks ago as my first road bike, and the beginning of the video had me a bit bummed out, but by the end, I was pretty content again with what I’ve got for now. I definitely feel like a dog on hills, but I can improve my legs and fitnness faster than I can make a spare two grand.

[@user-tw4pm9rc2t]

是的

[@bazil4146]

Not everyone can afford a thousand dollar bike. People with a tight budget just pick the best bike within their budget. Props to them

[@techerino]

This is the strangest episode of top gear I have ever seen.

[@BiggieCMAN]

Pat Seb you almost made me piss myself, well played 🤣😂

[@shlimothy]

it's two Richards but tall

[@TheMscmerez]

😆😆😆 it's better!

[@quatro2468]

This is not topgear I think.

[@cha1k916]

Jermy and James look,s younger I wonder what filter they used

[@DylansDIYWorkshop]

I have a cheapo bike. I took the paint off and put a cervelo sticker on it. It just got a lot faster.

[@emmams5]

Very impressive, I want to triple the value of my bike and sell it on, do you have anymore stickers?

[@thatguythatdoesstuff7448]

Now all you need is a Lance Armstrong jersey, and you're sure to never test positive for PEDS.

[@stephenstephen6754]

Dylan's DIY Workshop ahàhah ahàhah ahàhah ahàhah

[@SyntaxTerr0r]

A Campagnolo cap can also make you 10% faster.

[@jbirdperez6003]

hahah!

[@glocktane5743]

Gcn: 11KG is too heavy Me, with a 17KG steel frame old rigid MTB: come again bruh

[@smirnoffvodka2618]

Me, with my 22KG old dutch bike overtaking small mopeds: come again bruh For real though starting on a heavy bike is great, because once you switch to an 11KG (which is considered heavy) it will feel like an absolute feather. People saying bikes over 10KG are heavy should show themselves out.

[@Matt-ll1hd]

Right? Those old MTB's fucking rock!

[@shamuslamont100]

@@smirnoffvodka2618 I have a 6.6kg bike (among others). it's amazeballz on hills.

[@myobboy9973]

My posh French e-bike cost £2700 and wieghs over 30 kg, silly to even call them all the same thing. Still for a fat old git of 70 it does at least keep me riding, sort of. I will build an illegal 2KW machine using a £90 Raleigh bought off eBay, then I will beat the lot of yuse. ;-))

[@myobboy9973]

@Vaas Montenegro Yes, and I have brake repair costs to prove it. Yesterday I did a 6,700 foot assent for 8p of electricity and £12 in future disk brake wear costs. One day, a half decent e-bike will be equipped with a 3KW regen brake system, but in the meantime, burn baby, burn!

[@johnmcgovern5372]

I've been riding a £65 Ebay Raleigh R100 as a daily bike for a few months now. It does the job but the main thing for me is my peace of mind locking it up in town for hours. If I had that Canyon I'd be terrified leaving it anywhere.

[@fisty539]

same they left out the main detail, it may have 100% more stopping distance @45km/hr, but I never go over 15-20, far too dangerous on city roads/pavements. Also the 'cheap bike' is 100% cheaper, I'd never leave the £1k one anywhere I had a piece of shit £40 bike and it still got kicked in while locked up, if they can't steal it they'll break it

[@johnmcgovern5372]

@@fisty539 It's been a year since i made that comment and I'm still riding around on my R100 daily. My mate has had two bikes stolen in London in that time.

[@rzkzkr20]

My first bike is $75 and when I buy my second bike for $500 man what a difference. My advice is buy cheap bike for your first bike so you can appreciate a better bike.

[@surenxavier8915]

Agreed! Same here! Hand a sh!t $75 Walmart Huffy, then had bought a 2011 Specialized Hard Rock Sport for 70 percent off its normal price!!! MANNN A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD!!

[@nguyenthienquang7911]

@@surenxavier8915 what a discount, how can you get it?

[@caesarvi1803]

I did the same!

[@lunaticprophet]

The first bike "I" bought was a $120+ cheapo from Montgomery Wards in '85(??). Bought in the spring, rode it thru the summer... probably 90-100+ miles per week. By the end of the summer it was TOAST! Threw it in the garbage! Three years later I bought a Schwinn Sierra MTB for ~$450+ ('88). That was a goodly expensive bike for the time - not the most expensive, but def more than most. 32 yrs later.. I still ride it to pieces! It's been thru untold crashes/damage but it just keeps working. It gets dusted by 27-29" wheeled bikes that are common today but for a grandad of a bike (& rider-- ME). I & it still blow past many other MTB riders! lol At this rate... it'll probably be the last bike I ever own!

[@jessicachou4483]

Same here! Bought a second-hand four year old Merida mountain bike for 40$. Then the same day I got my new bike I broke quite a few of my personal records LOL

[@echterwel]

To place to whole test in perspective: The cheap bike is 98% (!) cheaper and only 10-15% slower..

[@lichking3711]

braking makes a big difference

[@IFCKEDAGOATWICE]

Lich King but braking makes you slower. If anything take the brakes off! Remember, no brakes no mistakes

[@HexlGaming]

Actually it just occurred to me that if you keep everything oiled and maintained a bike like that could be the even better option compared to citybikes etc; especially compared in terms of speed. +If bought cheaply you can modify it yourself without feeling any guilt or anything... I could just ride everywhere that I need to go without too much of an inconvenience, fairly quickly (especially around town), cheaply & I'm doing something good for my health while heaving fun... I need to look into that. I love the minimalism.

[@legolas66106]

@@lichking3711 Indeed, but you can replace the break pads with better ones for a much better braking experience, also you could probably tune/adjust those brakes a bit better as well. Sure it still won't 100% match the braking performance of the Superbike but I reckon it can get quite close.

[@mizinoinovermyhead.7523]

My question is if you swap the brakes over to something more akin to the superbikes, swapped wheels and tires and then increased the number of gears to be better geared: first how much would that cost, and second how much would that narrow the gap? If you can get 4 or 5% between then then you have a chance of making the difference in skill or training. I'd bet its completely possible to not pay anywhere near as much as the expensive bike and yet still compete with it.

[@TeunisD]

"The bike doesn't feel that different" I think that is the conclusion of the review.

[@daveedwards3531]

The trouble with being a keen cyclist is you can’t hold up 11kg with one arm 😁

[@Matt-cj9lm]

Matt's Beeping TT count downs were pretty damn on point.

[@atinybusiness3676]

DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY! In 1970 - 1973. I won road-races with a heavy tank - a Schwinn Supersport 10-speed. I beat lots of guys with fancy, expensive bikes who drove to races with their bikes in and on their cars. I often rode 10 - 20 miles to my races on my Schwinn, and then raced, won, and rode back home. I won, not because of my "fancy" bike, but because I rode for fun, almost every day. I was always in shape for a race, I didn't train for them. I regularly see light-weight road-racing bikes made in 1980 - 2000+, for real cheap at garage sales. I recently bought a top-quality Raleigh road bike from the 80's or 90's for only $10. I'm now in my 60's and don't ride much, but I know I could win races with it if I were in shape. In my opinion, don't waste BIG money on a bike unless you are Olympic quality and do lots and lots of riding, and have lots of free-time to spend alone on a bike. A high-tech, feather-light bike hanging from your garage rafters does not win races. Just ride every day, lose 10 pounds, then you'll have a faster bike!!!

[@renatobassani6796]

Absolutely rigth. I did almost the same at the 80's with a Peugeot, a not special bike...

[@bmw-e30]

Agree, its all about the horsepower pedalling the bike.

[@audunskilbrei8279]

But if the other guys also have horsepower a superfancy bike might just tip the scales in your favour.

[@UnseenSpirit]

In many ways, riding a heavy bike trains you to be stronger

[@freelingsrolle]

True

[@r0mpastompa]

8:39 you can really see how much time, love and effort he put in the good calibration of the calipers. Any Shimano dual-pivot brakes with good KoolStop Pads will give you plenty of stopping power for a fraction of the costs.

[@dalechen521]

I think going with a cheap bike for as long as possible is better for your wallet and fitness. I feel more motivated to put out more power to keep the same speed as fellow riders, and I end up improving more than I would with a super bike.

[@lee155912000]

Exactly what I needed to know "Its doesnt hurt any less, you just go faster"

[@Chris_Harris]

It's a LIE. The geometrics of your bicycle are the most important part of your bike. Lets remember these two idiots rode the original Tour De France on original bikes. They really aren't good at gettint the nuances. I rode 1000 bikes, got myself sized and into a my first 5000 bike and it was like the bike was riding itself. So easy to ride and so much more performance. Mostly though because it was setup for me, my body didn't seize up all over. These two missed the point of the better bike. It's meant for people who ride A LOT. It's not a bike for people who ride to the store for a bag of milk and frown if their breathing gets a little labored while they do it.

[@depfeffel6455]

It's hurts more when your friends disappear up a hill and two old ladies nattering in a front garden know you're the "unfit one" as you pant "hello!" with the full knowledge they know you're unfit

[@diverd8347]

You should do a race: Ride 5km in downtown London. Lock bike up outside overnight. Ride 5km Back.... I think the cheap bike would be faster by well, an infinite amount of time...

[@gromm93]

Haha! It's funny because I saw "someone" park a Cervelo S5 at the train station every day for a whole month last year. With a cheap lock! And it never got stolen! It just so happens that the S5 just makes it across the $5000 value mark, and that means that no thief is interested in stealing it, because it would carry a higher penalty in court. Especially considering that it was almost certainly lojacked by the police.

[@devesh42]

At 90 pounds on Ebay, I think that cheap bike has already been stolen once.

[@SuperDeinVadda]

Even if the bike is still there it might be damaged by careless people locking their bike next to it...

[@madthumbs1564]

I had a $700+ bike next to a friends ~$90 bike; his was stolen.

[@sarahs5575]

Great video! Loved seeing the differences, with the humor sprinkled in 😂

[@mountainssea9642]

Great video guys. Always very detailed and well thought out videos. Cheers from the States.

[@PhillyChease81]

I want to see the $900 v. The $3,000.00 bike. Maybe not cheap vs expensive but affordable quality vs expensive. Us riders have a different idea of a cheap bike.

[@doncamillo2771]

Yes please

[@Malarkey93]

This when

[@uweclaunitzer7170]

"It's not about the bike, it's about the drugs..." Lance Armstrong

[@johndelorean7353]

🤣

[@r.c.christian4633]

Whether cheap or expensive, street bikers are arseholes nonetheless.

[@paulpuljic6855]

If Lance in France Wearing Stretchy Pants had both of his nugs removed, would that leave more room on the seat for faster pedaling as they're not in the way?

[@seangarrison7942]

The sad missrepresentation of poor Lances legacy...

[@grumpyoldman9071]

@@seangarrison7942 Was it not he who set his legacy?

[@MS88nyc]

This was a fantastic video - from production quality to the informative content. Very compelling, real and understanding. Keep up the great work! CAADX 105 SE 2020

[@ramdobe9276]

Amazing editing and showing you guys! Keep up the hard work!

[@imanhakimi9994]

I am using that cheap bike this time. I cycle with it almost 900km. I am not from a rich family, i bought it using my money that i save from money my mom gave to me for eat at school. My dreams is to buy one of superbike and become a profesional track cyclist. From my opinion, cheap bike or super bike its all same. The differences is how you ride it and how strong is your spirit. (Sorry for bad english, i am from malaysia) peace.

[@fritzwalter1112]

Good luck with your dream

[@phalix9806]

I think you just wrote the best thing I read all day. :)

[@johnritch837]

Iman Hakimi same here bro, but hey! its all about our love for the sport :)

[@Chiefbigcorn]

Kill em dead bro!

[@lansiman]

Iman Hakimi if 2 person has the same strength and spirit, the one with more expensive bike will win, sorry but it's not the same, especially at professional level

[@CLASSICALFAN100]

One of the comments below says it best: "Lose 10 pounds, then you'll have a faster bike!"

[@brianutley5636]

🤣

[@doclee9178]

@@brianutley5636 I tried and I gained more weight.

[@pythonix144]

Just read that 😂😂😂

[@horaciogonzalez5749]

I weight 160 all leg muscles. And ride 3 hours a day every day. Im fucking jacked

[@roodick85]

LMAO!!🤣

[@22fret]

When I started with racebikes almost 20 years ago, it was on a Peugeot Aspin 14 with downtube shifters (Shimano 105) and 20mm tyres. A true classic. I purchased it in a relatively worn out shape on eBay and restored it. AFAIK it was a steel frame, but despite its shortcomings, I loved that beast to bits. Climbing hills out of the saddle using big gears make it bend like rubber (I weigh around 100 kgs @ 1,96m) and it felt a bit wobbly over 65 km/h in descends. Nevertheless it was great fun riding it. An accident separated us after 4 years. After that, in Jan 2007, I bought a new Cannondale CAAD5 105 (2x10) with WHR 550 wheels. I had no idea then how different a bike could possibly feel. It is extremely stiff, lightweight (8.7 kgs with a 63cm frame) and very stable in fast descends. Over 75-80 km/h it feels a bit nervous but I'm not quite sure if that's just me or the bike. The wheels are OK but certinly not Shimano's finest. I still have it to this day even though I ride much less these days. I don't think I'll ever sell it. It's a real beauty in red with its black wheels. Sometimes I just look at it with a smile on my face... :-)

[@ianluigilastra1850]

i love this channel :) i am a newbie here in the philippines and i am learning a lot from this channel :) thank you so much

[@tarmacsurfers]

👀 Would be interesting to see a £1000 carbon bike vs a £7000 one?!?! (But with the same gear ratios)

[@DirceuCorsetti]

tarmacsurfers yeah! That would be a proper comparison.

[@jimiefoxx]

Yeah!!! Wanna see that!!!

[@hoodyps]

or same frameset with diferent wheels and groupsets. cheapest bike in range vs the most expensive.

[@tarmacsurfers]

cerebellum true actually, better finishing kit...

[@johnholmes2517]

Or 15k bike

[@steezymtb5876]

To all the guys climbing hills on 12 kg bikes, just think about the training benefits over guys on lighter bikes. Your absolute power and fitness are most certainly better.

[@robbchastain3036]

And it also freaks 'em out when you're riding a heavier bike and singing in the rain like Gene Kelly.

[@KivonGaming]

JP Hovi yeah!!!

[@NiKo-fu9yp]

Heavier bike does not equal better training unless ur trying to keep up with stronger cycling mates. Si explained this in a few videos and it made quite a bit of sense.

[@maniac0303]

If you can sustain 300 Watts over a 20min ride on a cheap bike, than you can sustain only 300 Watts on a super bike again... A watt is a watt...! No difference in power...

[@Smt_Glaive]

i only ride mountain bikes on the roads....everyyime then when I jump on my friends road bike.....I murder the roads....😁😁😎

[@fpereira77]

This makes me feel kind of better for not being able to keep up with other local cyclists, when I see them riding bikes that cost around 2000-5000€ and I'm on one that costed 250€ lol

[@vackrakristaller]

on my $80 single speed I have the luxury of literally never being overtaken by somebody on a shittier bike -- and if/when it happens I'll be proud of them, haha

[@fisty539]

lol same, I'd take my £200 aluminium, 18 gear, v-brake over a £1k carbon fibre, 21 gear, disk break any day, I use it for like maybe 1-2 miles/day. And I've seen these £1k just get smashed to pieces coz if they can't steal it they'll break it. Always lock up next to a fancy bike

[@parrotbrand2782]

It is more of your legs than the bike

[@coskungemici]

I love it guys. This video is so valuable for me. Loves from Turkey.

[@aecrim1969]

The best bike is always the one you have

[@trashman5710]

Wholesome

[@shiro2654]

True that

[@fueledbymusic3]

I like my ebay Eurobike xc550

[@janvesely6353]

Thinking about amateur racing career years ago on the cheap one and looking at the older Campa Record on my wall with some dust to clean, I would even say, the best one is the one you ride.

[@KandiKlover]

I would like that cheap bike he has. There are no used bikes in my area for sale except over priced very damaged department store bikes. My Walmart huffy was totaled years ago and I can’t even replace it because I broke. So no bike for long time.

[@GordonMoat]

The best bicycle is the one you look forward to riding every day.

[@gcn]

Amen to that Gordon!

[@CurvedSlightly]

A mountain bike?

[@PACKERMAN2077]

Chuck Norris doesn't ride mountain bikes... he makes bikes out of mountains.

[@Crit1cal57]

But that would mean no one like there bike

[@Mokky12345]

Gordon Moat agree

[@AlexBaylymusic]

Love the channel guys getting into cycling and your videos have been informative and fun!

[@mex1111]

You guys crack me up!! Love GCN vids 😂

[@aleveraj]

My dad was a bicycle master builder and shop owner, with 50+ years of experience. I raced for the first time when I was only 10, and the last time when I was 20 (Motorcycles became more atractive at that time), I always had two bikes for the road: one for training up to 5 days a week, custom regular steel tubing frame, steel rim 28x1 5/8 wheels with clincher tyres. I think it was a 10 speed. My racing only bike setup was: tubular tyres, Reynolds 531 tubing, 12 speed, mostly Campagnolo Super Record series. All in all, the racing one was barely over 9kgs and the trainer was nearly 13. And it made a huge difference. To jump on the lighter bike on race days, was not only a pleasure, but also helped to achieve the best results possible. So I have to agree, if you are going to race, start small (and cheap) and work your way up, you will see a difference. But if you only want the bike for weekend outings with your friends or to stay fit, your regular off the shelf mid priced bike will do just fine, if not better.

[@chasinsunsets917]

My new MTB is 29 er, Carrera Sulcatto, my mate (money no object) has a cube road bike, we went for a spin, him on his cube, me on my Raleigh Ritmo! Absolutely trounced him on the hills....shows doesnt matter what you have, is what you do with it!

[@canalespanya007]

Really i want one bici but low price how much i live in spain

[@irlrp]

90 pounds for that bike !! That's an amazing deal ! I bought my bike 90€ too, and i'm so happy with it, i think it was a 1000€ bike when it was new... It's 20years old but the original owner cared for it like 110% he gave me 2 saddles, an extra wheel, ... when i went to buy the bike the guy was gone for a last goodbye ride with his bike... We spent 2 hours talking. That was amazing.

[@Superman20000]

irlrp you should visit him

[@MrKachannie]

Why did he sell his bike?

[@seanmckeegan1923]

leslie graham dude he meant he cared for it extremely well, people say “I put 110% effort into that ride” or use as he used it “cared for 110%” because the person put extra care into keeping the bike new. You obviously have never heard of figurative expressions and sound very young which explain why you may not have heard that term.

[@juanaromero9655]

Learn basic English and basic math. You don't know much either.

[@keltthehornedgod5335]

Anyone who is familiar with basic English knows the definition of hyperbole.

[@ClassicGal]

Thank you. I am actually in the process of purchasing my first road bike; although it won't be anytime soon because of the bike shortage. I don't plan on spending much on my first road bike though, but I will make sure I get some good breaks if I get into some serious cycling!

[@abdulmalik3437]

My two favourite things in life are library and bicycle. They both move people forward without wasting anything.

[@backtotheorigins848]

Cycling is pure happiness

[@BananaGamingYT]

Amen

[@salsalawyer]

#truth

[@grez6330]

Tis.

[@hans6304]

I believe in this

[@grez6330]

@@hans6304 yes I know how you feel it's absolutely wonderful isn't it cannot agree with you more enjoy your cycling hope you get some lovely weather where you are thank you for your reply

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

I think the big conclusion is ONLY 7.1% IN THE TIME TRIAL, with a cheap bike that has a longer head tube (lesser aero position). This is the proof that for the average Joe who doesn't do time trial competitions, all this "aero" marketing BS is a big waist of 💰. And notice how they don't talk about it in the video to avoid frustrating the sponsors. As Eddy Merckx use to say: "don't buy upgrades, ride up grades".

[@127ibenedict]

Sylvain Michaud nailed it! These guys love to insist spending rich man levels of cash is worth it for average consumers.

[@jakegarrett8109]

I mean, its a pretty massive difference, just like a road bike vs mtb on the road... The difference is, are you wanting to pay 70x more? If yes, there you go. If not, turns out a $100 used bike isn't too bad after you replace that nasty bar tape.

[@finlaysandham6935]

Ian Benedict it's still the difference between winning or not if you're racing

[@magnacircenses]

One bike you keep up with your pack, have a great ride, the other you bonk half way through and are left twisting in the wind after being dropped hard. Long way home...

[@aarontucker6236]

But 7% faster is a ludicrous amount if you are racing your hardest and simply don't have the cash to keep up with the Joneses.

[@JMathinteractive]

Congrats on 10 Million views! Nice video with some good information

[@PeterGuyton]

I'd love to see another version where you take the cheap frame bike and upgrade it: stick an 11sp group on it and similar carbon wheels (though rim brake of course) and try again. As in: is it better to spend $7,000 on a new bike or $3,000 on upgades?

[@ronbell7920]

As a long time rider of a cheap bike, all I can say Peter is that would be like putting lipstick on a pig. The frame is the heart and soul of the machine. Cheap bike frames are just that. I rode my cheap bike again today to the YMCA for a leg workout. It is a hilly 14 mile trip one way. I kept my HR in Zone 3 and enjoyed the experience. The difference is about 3 mph on my average speed. Who cares about that? So 45 min. one way trip on my road bike, 54 min. on my cheap bike.

[@edith2511]

i think this is exactly the thing they should suggest for riders. where's the point of diminishing return? Yes the $100 bike is 10-15% worse, but if you spend $2k you'll probably get within 1-2% performance of the $10,000 bike.

[@rokhudoklin750]

Matt always cheers me up when he clips in in his first try and he always gets so happy, what a lad

[@Mububban23]

Gotta enjoy the simple things in life :-)

[@danielmejia1850]

rok hudoklin you talk funny

[@simonbradley7031]

The big result here is the amount of bike you can get for 90 quid 👍

[@parttroll1]

I'd be happy with that bike and just replace the bar tape.

[@countspokeula539]

Simon Bradley Add a half decent set of wheels and a better groupset and you've got a pretty decent ride for under £500!

[@johnrichy2k6]

Ive had several sub £100 roadies and never had a brand new more expensive bike, typically I'll change the gear/brake cables and put decent tyres on and just go out and ride! for a weekend toy I don't see the point spending any more, if it suits an individuals needs you can get a lot of bike on a budget!

[@sieve5]

It's nuts really

[@frozenfrog777]

Wow, this comments section is full of retards who think biking has something to do with speed or fitness. It is in these assumptions they miss the true import of a light, expensive bike. SO SAD!

[@SimonTekConley]

I would love to see a follow up of upgrading a cheap bike into a better bike

[@gcn]

Nice idea!

[@markallsop2240]

I just got into cycling. I can't imagine spending that much for a bike, but it's been incredibly fun for my cheap bike. It'd be a dream to ride a bike like that someday, but for now i'm enjoying what i have. Plus I don't have to run the risk of getting that type of bike stolen.

[@matthewsum1752]

and trust it hurts when u scracth or fall on it

[@saintupid7034]

Biking is for fun mainly so dpnt spend too much if you are not going pro

[@geoff3725]

This answered many questions I have been asking for years. Magic!Thank you.

[@sattvavasavadasengupta711]

Canyon Aeroad price: Around 7000 British pounds(9200 USD) Raleigh: 90 GBP(118 USD) Total Differnce in cost: 6910 GBP or 9115 USD. Spend that money saved on 1) 2000 GBP wheels or 2600 USD (Mavic Cosmic Ultimate or Campagnolo Bora Ultra 50. 2) 900 GBP or 1200 USD on a Carbon stem, handelbar, seatpost. 3) 1100 GBP or 1500 USD on a Dura Ace Mechanical Groupset. All components could be bought for cheaper from ebay (Used) Total: 4090 GBP or 5395 USD for a top notch bike vs almost 7000 GBP or 9200 (Almost Double) for a new Canyon. I know I will get blasted for used a raleigh frame with ultra high quality components. Thanks for the like! Cheers!

[@krollpeter]

That not but I would not compare an old standard bike vs a new superbike. They both need to be new.

[@mufaddalalazher2381]

Me watching this while owning the same Raleigh: 👁👄👁

[@dreas_dreas1014]

great lil message at the end

[@lazeran4900]

Now compare 1000$ Shimano 105 Bike with 10000$ Shimano Dura Ace Di2 bike with power meter and tell us average power consumption in 40 km/h. (I bet it wouldn't be more than %5)

[@ck166666]

Lazeran me too but I can’t see any manufacturer agreeing to the test and if GCN did it they probably wouldn’t be welcome at too many trade shows 😁

[@erasmomartins]

30km/h is real World

[@jordanstebbins1949]

105 for the win!

[@guanxichen4400]

that would be a real value/pris killer!

[@sasun636]

For a serious roadie, it's often not though. On the flats, going 35kph isn't too hard for someone who trains actively and to reach an average speed of over 30kph, you're gonna be going 35 for a lot of the time.

[@jainilajmera9997]

"Cheap Bike vs Super Bike | What's the Difference?" Price.

[@kevindewilde7970]

Jainil Ajmera nop

[@samuel90497]

this too

[@gregbertin8748]

Price is right, unless you race

[@CraigE415]

Just shows the more money you have the less fit you need to be to compete. Worth the purchase for events if you are a competing athlete. So many people spend this money on their commuter as they think it makes them better.

[@smilo8905]

Haha|

[@green_building]

This video comparasion is really cool 😎👍👍

[@jevadajones1645]

Perfect perfect perfect and easy to set up!👍🏾

[@yoda112358]

This is the GCN video that I've been waiting for for like 2 years.

[@janwillemkuilenburg7561]

Helicase21 Yes very right. I’ve been bombing GCN with this request the last two years!!!

[@Doubleteverything]

Same

[@virtualspeedster]

Doubleteverything oaLl2

[@tonyragusa5680]

Helicase2

[@seanvityaz]

Don't make the mistake I made when I bought my first road bike, I spent 1k on a carbon roadbike, wrecked it in a few months and spent 300 quid on a used well maintained alloy bike with near/equal spec to the carbon bike and I found the alloy bike to be more comfortable, quieter, more fun to play around on and much easier to push to the limits, only buy a carbon racer if you want to compete, otherwise stick with alloy or even a finely crafted steel frame!

[@127ibenedict]

seanvityaz steel is real dude! The comfort steel brings is worth every gram of weight in my book.

[@manumercado1127]

thats true, i have two bikes, a carbon trek madone 3 and a alum domane 2, both with shimano 105 11sp, and my best times are with the alloy bike!, found it more stiff and confortable, weird but true.

[@robcollinson9508]

What? What did you do to wreck the carbon frame? I spent 1.5k on mine and 50,000 km later it's still completely fine. Nothing at all fragile about Carbon.

[@mattparsons7240]

seanvityaz literally did that word for word: crashed into stone wall and shattered four parts of the frame! Now got an alloy!

[@reginaldscot165]

Agreed, I have spent most of my cycling life on aluminium. I got a carbon bike and it cracked in 4 months. Peace of rubbish. Now upgrading to Titanium, all the advantages of carbon with non of the problems.

[@scorellis]

Every time I hear talk about bike weight I’m like “I need to lose 20 lbs”...

[@ilmaestro5893]

In kg...?

[@Ben59910]

@@ilmaestro5893 about 9kg lol

[@ilmaestro5893]

@@Ben59910 thank you arancina chi pedi ❤

[@Ben59910]

@@ilmaestro5893 What does that mean?

[@ilmaestro5893]

@@Ben59910 i love you ❤ in arabic

[@bobbybreaker629]

Great Segment on differences. I bought a Cannondale Caad 7 with 105 Shimano in 05. Put Campy Centaur on it in 07, everything came off the frame the only thing that isn't Campy is the bars Blackwell Research Carbon. Amazing difference in all respects. Now it's time for another Overhaul paint & all. Thanx, keep the rubber side down.

[@deanhenthorn8674]

Fun Video boys. With the cheap bike I also could afford two fabulous vacations with a lifetime of memories and get fitter. Riding bliss doesn't come from the bike. It comes from the activity.

[@EditioCastigata]

Indeed. For the difference you could buy a home trainer, Elite Rampa or Kickr, and ride it even more often outdoors and indoors than the expensive one.

[@bjthedjdutchdude1992]

Dean Henthorn what about the cyclist? I have two bikes. One cheap. One super. The cheap does some things better than the super. For example, Parts and light-weight

[@patricksheard1648]

Woah that’s a Raleigh big difference!

[@danieliroh]

ha!

[@jakubindustriesprofisoluti4254]

Lol

[@JustinDoesTriathlon]

Get out of here Dad. :P :D

[@matthewkluge5441]

Patrick Sheard clever !

[@TommyShlong]

Holy shit You just one yourself a Raleigh great bike with that comment

[@Gabriel7727]

Obrigado por colocar legendas em português, por favor continuem assim!!!

[@rodrigo591ify]

When I want to ride fast... I ride my motorcycle. When I want to workout, I ride my bicycle.

[@N13J]

In a sense, if you already own a Raleigh, you can just swap in a Shimano 105 groupset, a decent set of Chinese carbon wheels and nice racing tires. You will achieve almost identical result.

[@gavinsullivan9015]

And upgrade the brakes...

[@bradcomis1066]

105 Brakes are pretty good and would be included with a 105 groupset. Even just a pad change would make a big difference.

[@gavinsullivan9015]

Good point!

[@grmishady]

I ride a Cannondale cad4 frame from 1995. It's 22 lbs. I'm super happy with it but I wonder what the best bang for the buck improvment I could make is? Carbon wheels is what I'm thinking..anyone care to suggest anything? A bigger engine is what I want the most....im working on it!! Lol

[@keriezy]

I had disc brakes. I crashed that bike, and now have 105s. Discs are WAY better. I had to dial my riding back a lot.

[@lockharj]

If you put descent tires on the cheap bike you could have controlled for rolling resistance. Multiple sites claim 15-20 watts per wheel with bad tires, and this could account for most of those time gaps.

[@njbchannel4466]

Great information brother

[@DDV217]

I have a an old 1980’s Cannondale 3.0 road race series. It’s aluminum frame. The shifters are on the down tube! My friends thought I was crazy for buying it but I love that thing. That’s my little Seabiscuit right there lol

[@paulmitchell5349]

The cheap bike won't be a theft target.

[@hyakkimarufluff534]

Yup

[@nicksutcliffehockey]

Cheap bike or not.......the thieving beggars don’t care

[@salsalawyer]

ANY bike would be a potential theft target. Perhaps a lot less of a target than a superbike but a target nonetheless

[@pendulum1997]

Errr thieves will steal anything not bolted down

[@samsonluavasa4474]

@@hyakkimarufluff534 77

[@Goriaas]

the good news is 10% uphill and 7% on the flat means road cycling is NOT exclusive it's pretty much open to anyone, even poor people can get into it just fine with a few hundred squid. Unlike some other sports

[@gcn]

Really great point Goriaas!

[@andreablsph]

Great, great, great content!

[@jdoe836]

Just watched and this is great! I have a 2001 Trek 1000 (Red, Wite, & Blue). Best thing I ever did to the bike was convert it from a 3x8 to a 3x9, replaced the Sora with Tiagra shifters, changed the rings from 52-42-30 to 50-39-30, and a new cassette. For a short ride it’s great and fast for a ~25lb (11.3 kg) bike, long rides leave you whipped. Best part, I was able to hang with riders on much lighter bikes that cost thousands more than mine. Even better, I hit 95+ kph on a descent once and have the picture of the gps to prove it.

[@KKowboyPKR]

I would have loved to have seen this on a realistic "cheap" bike. An entry level road racing bike is about £500-£1000. Totally depends on if you are going to be racing or trying to be King of Strava lol

[@muhammadjibril4079]

King of strava 😂

[@compgeke]

For anyone wondering, the Raleigh specifically looks to be a 2011 Raleigh Race 16. Parts list as follows: Shimano 2300 Derailleurs/Shifters (low end stuff, not even given a word name) Aluminum frame w/ steel fork Miranda 50/34 Chainrings 12-25 cassette "Alloy Caliper Brakes" "Deep Section Wheels" w/ 28mm tires. All around a fairly low end bike, but still a fair step up over a GMC Denali or that black\green thing Walmart's selling now (or your country's equivalent). It'd make a decent college commuter or city grocery getter, being cheap and reasonably alright. Won't have to worry as much about theft. I know I wouldn't be as upset about my £100 bike being stolen if it was that vs a £7500 bike.

[@TypeVertigo]

Seems like the bike they used got an 11-30T cassette though. Also, 2300 was the immediate precursor to Claris 2400.

[@Bianchi77]

Nice video, thanks :)

[@darkproject3368]

I ride an old 160 pound MTB I bought 5 years ago. The ending made me feel better though :)

[@knelson3145]

There's a lot to be said for not having to worry about a crash destroying your 5k bike. I tend to really baby expensive bikes and that takes the fun out of it.

[@CarnutMM]

Which is the fist bike to get stolen. The expensive bike wins this one too.

[@jackfederski7646]

In 1990, when I purchased my Bianchi, I thought it was safe because of the puke-green colour. Unfortunately, some young kid in the bike shop was really excited and said I was lucky to buy that bike. I spent three days making the bike ugly, taking off everything that said Bianchi, and turning it into "supercycle" complete with lettering. I think that is a Canadian brand several tiers below Raleigh. I still have the bike.

[@ALPHAHXCORE]

u dont leave out the expensive bike.

[@ragingmcqueen]

LSanti well... how many people actually know an expensive bike from a cheap one? I dont:/....

[@miguelnieves9915]

What a racist.

[@imapigeonyoupeasant1489]

@Michael please never breed

[@jeffersonho6886]

I got a 1980s Fuji espree road bike and that thing is amazing. I picked it for free and slapped some free rims with new treaded tires that I had also found and now I got a bike. I can go everywhere now I even tried riding on gravel trails and it still works just a little bumpy.

[@ajs8069]

New subscriber here from Philippines.. always love your videos. Always hoping someday can have same bike as yours..

[@tarmacsurfers]

Sod the comparison.....MATT CLIPPED IN 1st TIME!!!!!!!

[@th_js]

This is unbelievable!!!! 😀

[@conorw1ll1ams]

Did it twice too

[@JMise]

They had to film that many times, that Raleigh was new when they started.

[@tarmacsurfers]

JMise 😂😂😂

[@tarmacsurfers]

TOMI HENRIK JOHANNES SAARANEN I know. I spat my brew out ☕️ 💨

[@roddyweir804]

I'm disapointed how GCN has become basically an advert channel for brands

[@bikesmart5540]

I respect your final comment so much, being somebody who trains hard but hasn’t got the money for expensive bikes I really appreciate it. I have a Boardman Hybrid and a 1988 steel framed road bike and still have a hell of a lot of fun. My bikes may not be the best but I can still pass people on expensive bikes occasionally. It’s all about the ride and not so much about the bike, though of course like us all I crave that high end ultra aero carbon framed beauty that weighs no more than the mrs’ handbag 😅.

[@hobbybaschtler7896]

the problem with expensive bikes is, that they get stolen.

[@georgestate9384]

that's bs.. evry bike gets stolen if it's owner is an imbecile... i have 2 bikes, one with tiagra and one with ultegra and i NEVER let any of them outside to be stolen.

[@torianc9195]

@@georgestate9384 not everyone has the luxury of being able to take their bike inside with them mr genius.

[@georgestate9384]

@@torianc9195 if puting your bike inside is a luxury, just leave it outside;) and i;l look for it on ebay or wherever else.. ..PS:.. it's a fucking bike, not a truck ;).

[@torianc9195]

@george state you sound exceptionally stupid. That’s what I expect from KZbin savants though.

[@georgestate9384]

@@torianc9195 not more stupid than the one who rather leave his bike outside and have it stolen than bring it inside. ..if you want to spread your stupidity, do it in your own house, in the toilet.

[@waveriderz]

.. bought a Raleigh SuperCourse in 1970. Rode often and included a West Coast ride of 1500 miles. It still worked fine, with regular maintenance, until 2017 when i finally sold it. Might not be as fast as a superbike, however it got me anywhere i wanted to go for 47 years, at a fraction of the cost !!

[@waltermills2037]

waveriderz that is awesome to hear

[@jpdemer5]

Well that sort of takes the piss out of my 1975 Raleigh Super Grand Prix, which sits against the wall behind me as I type this. Acquired custom wheels way back then, and replaced bits and pieces as they wore out, but it's largely the same bike. That's a lot of transporation for probably $20-$30 a year. Fun fact: the bike is now a rarity - I could sell it today for about what I paid for it. :-)

[@waveriderz]

Walter Mills ...i might think differently if i was a racer, however like most of us i enjoy just getting out there. Not worrying about the cost of repairs or anyone trying to rip a bike off. Enjoy life, it's pretty short, yes?

[@nigel9068]

waveriderz you shuld had kept it because it is a vintage bike

[@cessrcd]

I still have my Carlton Criterium, it's had three chains, numerous brake blocks, still the same saddle, and it's as comfortable as the Cannondale Supr Six 105 I borrowed for a summer when I stripped the Carlton down to blast and repaint the frame. Yes the Cannondale was quick, but I was very pleased when I got back on the Carlton.

[@Allaluca]

Don't know why I'm watching this, I don't even ride or have a bike lol.

[@dashpash]

Made me giggle

[@svfutbol20]

Get one!

[@7amid-]

svfutbol20 planning to buy merida reacto 500 .. 9.50 kg full ultegra .. what you think

[@marksaunders7846]

Hahahaha

[@svfutbol20]

@@7amid- Never heard of that brand, but I've been eyeing stuff from Ribble lately, you get a lot for your money. I think the only downside is that you have to wait for it to be built.

[@lajosnemeth9690]

That was a badass downhill ride all along in the oncoming lane

[@ericyoung957]

Thanks guys, helpful video. I think I would have preferred a closer range though. A bike at £9k against one at £90 is a big gap, and I'm not planning on spending either sum on my next outfit. My interest is the difference between say a Specialized Diverge Sport carbon at £2750 and a mid range aluminium Allez at £850.

[@carmelidor]

great video but would have been so much more relevant for so many of us if you compred the super bike with an entry level brand new bike (something like 9 kilos...)

[@flanners41]

That would not happen as these shoot outs are almost akin to Top Gear for the relevance

[@colombianflag717]

I loved your videos guy's. Very informative

[@pablok2854]

that Raleigh is absolutely beauty! for the price looks like the best option for any amater rider who wants to try something professional

[@kanon0n]

i bought a fixie with track bar for $84.37 in 3 months ago, not even 2nd hand one hi-ten steel frame with horizontal top tube i love it

[@SurpriseMeJT]

Simon mentions the large gaps in gearing of the 8 speed cassette in this video, but reasons that it isn't as much of a significant factor in the video on 1x systems. Hmm?!?!

[@PrzemyslawSliwinski]

I think these differences are less noticeable there because the ratios between high gears are smaller.

[@andrewnorris5415]

but that just means you lose out in range of gears. also 8 speed chains are thicker and last longer for the same money spent on a chain. you soon get used to the bigger "gaps".

[@robbchastain3036]

I am reading comments about this being an ad for Canyon and I see it differently--this is an ad, in my opinion, for how much bike you can buy for so little and for how well a used bike can actually perform. And the Raleigh with better wheels and brakes, well, complete bliss, I think, and time for fisticuffs should a Canyon try to ease past, at least for those of us who don't like being overtaken. Such fun and pain, too.

[@DontheNewbi]

Great review bro...

[@valerieshaw5212]

Thanks for the information very interesting I enjoyed biking I don't do intense road biking but I bike as often as I can't thank you

[@gcn]

Great to hear you enjoyed it Valerie!

[@jubuttib]

Just for the interested ones among us, I calculated the braking Gs from the test, assuming they were accurate with the 40-0 km/h and the measurements. The cheap bike only slowed down at about 0.6 Gs, which is similar to a road car on snow with studded winter tyres. The super bike slowed down at about 1.16-1.17 Gs, which is similar to a modern road car on dry tarmac with normal summer tyres. Would be interesting to see if there exist grippier tyres (softer compound, wider perhaps?) for the bikes, and see if they could match the top crop of modern sports cars on the best rubber, capable of braking Gs in the vicinity of 1.5+ Gs.

[@fatboydiesel8270]

That and the cheaper bike had v-brakes instead of discs.

[@jubuttib]

@Advanced Driving Locking the front wheel is always my biggest nightmare. I've had it happen a couple of times in slippery conditions, and the front just disappears from underneath the bike...

[@cons9053]

Amogus

[@tinienteabanil2922]

Sus

[@Dhungerf60]

That’s a lot of bike for 90$. I’d say that It’s the overall winner.

[@adamfigurski1209]

I ride my Wheeler cross bike with steel frame for 25 years and I still love it :D

[@johnnylaw348]

I really enjoyed this video. It goes to show that an entry level or older bike can work quite well for most casual indoor trainer (Zwift) setups, which is great for budget minded riders. Cheers from Texas!