NEW 2025 Trek Rail+ Gen 5 & Exclusive Santa Cruz Interview | EMBN Show 351

[@jokermtb]

I like that Trek is staying with the removable battery platform - that's crucial for us frozen climate emtb'ers

[@daver2156]

I have to say.. i remember when I had my first emtb when they first came out.. there were a some interview with Santa Cruz.. they quoted that they weren't interested in ebikes and they would never produce one.. funny how things change 😂😂😂

[@keith6872]

To reduce weight, I remove the battery on my Trek Rail 5 before hanging bike on my Allen bike rack. Removable battery is a big plus for me.

[@christopherwatson1163]

We buy Santa Cruz for the VPP feel!!! And of course their superb after sales service. I have a 2022 Bronson.

[@ColyHow]

A 600 battery on a full power emtb is too small, and it's a pain to ride with a battery extender (lose your bottle cage). I have a Bullitt and I often struggle with range and/or keeping up with with other emtbs when I'm forced to ride on lower power settings. Sadly, an EP801 and small battery makes for a hugely compromised bike.

[@TCK71]

I can’t help but listen to all the Santa Cruz talk n think….. yea but the Amflow!

[@sgtkurry]

Im with you. The amflow is a better value, lighter and more powerful. Suspension performance might be slightly lacking but you have a lot of room to make improvements and still be under the weight of the santa cruz.

[@sety409]

You people or lucky to have it available. Us US customers are getting shafted on both the aglow and pinion front.

[@TCK71]

@@sgtkurry 💯%

[@GarthFlint-nc2vj]

The Vala is available now. The Amflow will be available in ???? I have been riding ebikes for only 2 years but I have found I really do not need more power for what I do, I need good power delivery and range. The Bosch Gen-5 will provide good power delivery and the Vala with the extender will provide the range. And it is available in the US and available now.

[@robinbreeds9217]

I wiil wait for people to have a Amflow for a year or more to see what goes wrong with it lol

[@paulkaye6053]

If they do S at 2 x 27.5; why can't they do XXL at 2 x 29? I am 6'4" and prefer full 29.

[@thebodaciousbing3950]

I’ve both- a mullet and a 29er Levo. I find the 29er climbs steep techy trails better than the mullet .

[@Mtb9r]

Closely resembles the Santa Cruz Vala.

[@keith6872]

Lots of beautiful emtb, but i chose a 2022 year Trek Rail 5. There are 3 Trek dealers in my Atlanta area that will honor warranty without too much wait. BTW i never had any warranty issues. I only replaced chain and sprocket and i now hot wax chain for long life...please do not use wet lubes on your ebike chain.

[@johndavis3938]

Can't find any of the news in North America Trek. Not as a dealer or for the public. Strange...

[@Xenon720]

I was saying the same thing. If you look on their GB website, it's all updated with the new PowerFly.

[@GarthFlint-nc2vj]

I am looking at purchasing a Vala right now. I am not buying it because it is a Santa Cruz, I am buying it because my bike shop carries Santa Cruz. I buy a bike shop, not a brand. I want a good brand (many of those) from a good shop (fewer of those). I look at what brands my shop carries and I select my new bike from those. The people at the shop know me, they have ridden with me, they know how I ride. From that they make suggestions as to what I would like as far as geometry, suspension travel, etc. This makes it a heck of a lot easier to choose what bikes I should look at.

[@porroco]

Only downside from bosch is the battery layout, how hard is to show 10 lines. Just for the peace on mind.

[@Nugemart]

Whoever designs a jig to fit any motor to any e-bike is going to be famous….

[@cdre6747]

Moonraker all day

[@cliffsangelsphotography]

I like my Trek Fuel EXe alloy

[@steveharper4017]

New Santa Cruz looks very similar to the Trek Rail. Maybe just because they went with a Horst Link…

[@syncroG60golf]

I run mudguards front and rear when the weather's grim. Not fussed about looking cool or not, having mud being flung at the back of your head is not cool. When you're sat on the bike you cant see the back mudguard anyway ;)

[@unfurling3129]

1000% agree. Can't believe so many people are emotional and impractical about it

[@TeocoreOfficial]

I like more 29 both ...

[@Magoo71]

Pinion MGU IS the future....anything else is a pretender....

[@Maxi_Max]

get your facts right in the rail

[@eddiegomez4134]

Any friends here hiring Full Stack Dev? I'm unemployed and itching to get a mtb.

[@drahoslavhorvath]

New Rail looks good, but absolutely no reason to change my gen 4 Carbon Rail. It will be great if Bosch makes a new lighter battery for gen 4... but this will not happen, unfortunately. The most interesting thing on new Bosch gen 5 is new purion 400... hopefully, this will be compatible with gen 4 motor.

[@amud1e]

The bosch batteries are 20% lighter on the gen5

[@lukenukem1164]

I dont understand whay they are not putting the new 800wh battery with the new cx, santa cruz did the same thing too.

[@steveburt1824]

In relation to the security question....why not do a video where someone "steals" Neil's amflow and see how well the trackers etc work in reality

[@akissparaskevopoulos]

Wtb makes saddles with that lip on the back for decades. Just saying

[@jokermtb]

car companies doing ebikes? Polestar is a small company....prolly sell more eebs than cars

[@Stockfish1511]

Gen 5 Rail is ugly compared to gen 4 tbh. Also they use bosch motor is basically same motor with 100 gram less and fatter powertube. So far meh imo, also they created the sag like frame and downtube which takes away Trek rails agressive look. Was looking to sell my gen 4 carbon rail for the new one. Ill just keep it i think

[@sety409]

It def not worth between 1 generation. At this pace I’d be looking in 2 or 3 more

[@Stockfish1511]

@@sety409 Agreed. Plus on papper my gen 4 rail is still full carbon frame, looks nicer and its upgraded to hell. Its prolly worth 20k at this point xD

[@ridingdeep8530]

My old 2019 Powerfly was a much better looking machine and still had fantastic power, not stoked on this new Rail.

[@Magoo71]

My three year old eBike has 160Nm of Torque and can go for hours.....

[@filipemonteiro5504]

What bike are you riding?

[@Magoo71]

@@filipemonteiro5504 It's a Luna Cycle Apollo. They stopped making it I think. 54lbs and a 1100 Wh battery....I can ride anywhere I have balls enough to go...

[@Goodday-x3f]

This bike is so ugly. The downtube is so thick. horrible bike.

[@nickclarkuk]

Second ;)

[@islandaerial3414]

Bosch can't even make a reliable/durable Gen 2 ffs. I know because I am on my 5th and it is failing. BTW I'm 62

[@mystscot9814]

First ;)