EMG 81 vs SEYMOUR DUNCAN NAZGUL - Active Passive Bridge Pickup Metal Tone Comparison / Review

[@KevinFrasard]

I have a BC Rich Jr. V 7 string with a Nazgul in it, very very impressive pickup. It can stand up to an active EMG all day. I'd even go as far as saying I like it better than the 81, and I'm usually always an EMG dude. Chugs, chunks, leads, pinch harmonics, trills, cleans, etc. this pickup does everything you'd want it to do. I love it!

[@mikestamper]

+Kevin Frasard Seymour Duncan hit the spot with this one, :D

[@PERPowns]

I used to have that exact same setup! Nazgul also sounds beastly in my Epi LP Baritone.

[@Gitfiddle]

I like them both. Let's be honest the 81 is a standard in the industry. But the Duncan had a warm thick sound to it that it really dig. Round yet still defined and cutting.

[@MichaelLenz1]

Who defined the ‘standard’? 😂

[@thegodless2904]

EMG for me, has more chime, clarity and a fuller sound in general. The riff @ 1:43 sounded better with the Nazgul but then the next clean riff was better with the EMG IMO. I have passive loaded guitars which sound great but I'll always prefer EMG's I think. But lets face it it, the ONLY true option is to buy more guitars and have both! Don't even try to deny it, you know I speak the truth.

[@r1beef88]

Loved it. Straight to the point of what I wanted to hear and no talking. Beauty!!

[@HevyDev]

Nazgul - more dynamics. More sensitive to playing. EMG - more consistency. More stable in low mids. Both apply, depending on the result you're looking for.

[@Echoepic95]

Im a Seymour Duncan guy but that EMG sounds brutal

[@crashdummy40]

Emgs are deeper and chunkier but duncans got that searing slash a star in half sound

[@JoshuaPatrickGarrett]

That's actually a helpful demo. Thanks! 🎉

[@wladdaimpala88]

Obligatory "this one sounds better solo but that one will be better in a mix" comment

[@cero815]

vs obligatory "these pickups are so underrated!" comment! :'-))

[@Tzalmavet]

The EMG has a very warm sound. The Nazgul seems to have those low frequencies scooped a bit for more attack and clarity.I was very impressed with how the nazgul played on a clean channel. Both seem to work depending on the situation but i feel like the nazgul has more dynamic response and is just an all around great pickup. Will definitely consider purchasing a SD Nazgul for an upgrade.

[@ItsJustaMeNow]

Wow, I definitely gotta give it to the Nazgul.

[@crashdummy40]

Reasons?

[@maniactre]

I've been really interested in the nazgul for a while but I was going to put EMG's on my les Paul but now I think I'm going for the nazgul definitely !

[@kattine1]

May you all burn me in the stake but where the emg really shined obviously against de Nazgul was on the clean tone about 1:45

[@oreobiscuit7143]

I love your channel man, it tells people what's the best for what they want

[@mikestamper]

At least I try it! Thank you so much for your comments!!

[@mxaxe5591]

This was really, really excellent! Just the raw sounds of the pickups, no bs, not in a crazy ass hectic mix, nit drenched in delay and reverb. Excellent! Thank you!🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@gggfx4144]

Fantastic review, love that you played in a range of styles - so helpful to get a balanced perspective.

[@mikestamper]

Thank you so much!

[@RealDeathMetalLover]

Bro, cool comparison, both sound great! I prefer the Nazgul but the EMG sound amazing as well, thanks for the riff at 1:22 it was really sick, I'm going to try to learn it!

[@pastorpain5297]

Any progress?

[@RealDeathMetalLover]

@@pastorpain5297 Yeah bro, I learnt it by ear and finding the notes in the guitar, if you want I can tell you how to play it! It is an easy but very cool riff!

[@JudahIrani]

@@RealDeathMetalLover please do .. do a short video or something

[@JudahIrani]

@@RealDeathMetalLover never mind figured it out

[@DesertScorpionKSA]

I like the EMG 81 much better. I has a scooped sound that really sounds solid when playing rhythm. The Nazgul sounds good too but is much darker than the 81. I guess it's a matter of preference.

[@ZoidBorgir]

The passive's sound so much fuller and a little bit messier. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

[@swissarmyknight4306]

I really appreciate that you did clean tone comparisons.

[@00Resev]

The sample @ 1:22 is the only bit where i liked the 81 the most. For everything else, the Nazgul impresses, keeps up, and adds versatility.

[@joshlandry908]

The sample at 2:10 is where the nazgul won me over completely

[@ride4speedrr53]

I use Emg 85 for the neck pickup and Seymour Duncan Blackouts AHB-1B for the bridge pickup.

[@Matthewhorn93]

EMG had more consistency with volume on the clean, but the Nazgul sounded so much better. and I've used both. I prefer passive, but I was able to get those active tones out of the Nazgul, and it was more versatile being passive

[@koudvuur3435]

Matter of taste. EMG one sounds tighter and fresher. The Nazgul has this "muddy" and warmer feel to it. Depends what you're looking for.

[@crashdummy40]

What lol. Emgs were way warmer chunkier deeper like. Wtf.

[@XMetalChefX]

Just to clear something up , an "active mount" pickup does not mean that the pickup is active and runs on battery. It means that the pickup is shaped to fit an active pickup routing routing for an EMG, Blackout, etc. The Pegasus, Nazghul, and Sentient, are all passives. Pickups.

[@mikestamper]

You're right, man! There's always some confussion about this, so it's good to clarify. Thank you!!

[@XMetalChefX]

Welcome. Thank you for the work you put in. Its so nice to be able to hear the differences between The Emg81 and others. I will be picking up a Nszghul and sentient for my ibanez rgd420. Much love brother.

[@camai75]

Ive had the 81/85, and now have the Nazgul/Sentient combo, and love it

[@SkarabCZ]

1:43 Holy sh*t!!!! What song is that riff from??

[@joshuabroadwater134]

MuddahFukkah sounds very much like something by S.O.A.D

[@danieldeutschen]

darude-sandstorm

[@mattharris9015]

Sounds very similar to Toxicity by SOAD

[@MaxRiley]

none of them

[@Storm-cu4vo]

"Decadence" by No Sense Within

[@austinwelch1132]

i liked both pickups actually, i think they each have their uses for different types of playing and songs. personally like the hett set EMGs best for my style of playing.

[@Khoursus]

this helped me so much, wish there was a clean comparison of the 808x and the nazgul 8 but i think the nazgul is the sound i am looking for anyway... thank you very much for this vid

[@crustophiles]

With distortion the Nazgul has far more depth and character to its tone than the EMG-so already miles ahead. But then when it's clean time, the Nazgul pretty much just stabs the EMG in the face with a wraith blade and commands a whole army of orcs to violate the wound. No comparison. +Mike Stamper: I'm deeply interested in seeing the Nazgul pitted against the Lace Drop n Gains, which are supposedly fantastic for downtuned aggressive music. As your pickup videos are far and away the best I've ever seen, I'd be blown away if you could orchestrate that demo for us.

[@mikestamper]

+Peter Chordas Hi, Peter! Hope to have that Lace on my hands someday. It that happens, you'll have a comparison right here on my channel. Thanks for your comment!! :) P.S: More comparison videos are about to come!

[@crustophiles]

+Mike Stamper If I send you one, how quickly could you have a comparison video up?

[@mikestamper]

+Peter Chordas As soon as I get any new pickup on my hands a new video is born! But, until now, in case of passive pickups comparisons I've used different guitars because I don't have a fast replacement system for passive pickups yet (like Seymour Duncan Liberator, for example). When I get one of these (which will happen soon) we can talk about that!! Thank you so much for your predisposition to send me your pickup, and for your trust on my work! :)

[@crustophiles]

+Mike Stamper Of course. Glad to support good work when I see it. I also deeply appreciate your balanced and consistent approach to pickup comparisons. Too many videos toss a pickup in with drums and/or bass where it's difficult to hear the true character of the pickup itself. I understand that the idea is to give a sense of how it will come across in a mix, but not only will my guitar probably sound different that theirs, chances are my mix will too. Thus the inclusion of other sonic elements in the demonstration only adds more unknown variables, making the decision harder. Most of the demos for the Drop n Gains are poor quality, use a mix (as mentioned above), and feature sludge/doom type stuff which is different than what I have in mind. The Nazgul/Sentient demos tend to be high quality, but also generally use a mix, and focus on djent type one-string-per-song numetal which I also don't play. I play melodic crustpunk on a baritone Les Paul tuned to drop A with a .74 low string, which makes the pickup decision process more challenging since I have to think about how a particular pickup will sound when assaulted by huge chords on gigantic strings at low tunings. At this point it's come down to the Nazgul/Sentient or the Drop n Gains, but I'm not sure which way to go. Anyway, let me know when you're up to make that video.

[@mikestamper]

+Peter Chordas I'll let you know then, Peter! I promise! :) The main objective of these videos, as you said, was to represent each pickup sound in a simple way, with no additions like drums, bass, EQ or whatever. Some people asked me to use a single track per guitar to empower this point, but I guess I prefered this format, as it could be useful to have a little idea of a stereo mix and doesn't really affect your "perception" of the pickup. It's a pleasure to know that these videos are somehow useful to make pickup choices, as we all once needed to clear some doubts about these matters. Thank you so much again for your comment! We'll be in touch!

[@MaxMiller614]

They're both fantastic.

[@BambangHali]

Yas

[@Twiggyay]

I feel like the EMGs have a very flat frequency response, so their sound should be easy to shape. in theoryc of course. Sound aside. EMGs are a dream to record with because of the inherent compression, so getting levels is a real breeze compared to any passive pickup.

[@campar1043]

sounds like the emgs have better mids but the duncans have crisper highs

[@shred5]

Which is the opposite of what I'd expect!

[@toemasmeems]

@@shred5 I don’t think they are necessarily better...just more Mids lol specifically lower mids

[@shred5]

@@toemasmeems Who said anything about being better? All I said was I just expected I'd hear the opposite

[@toemasmeems]

@@shred5 the original commenter said “better Mids” lol

[@shred5]

@@toemasmeems Oh, the way I read that is better = moar

[@rflessati]

Loved the playing! Great comparison!

[@5150forevermore]

Nazgul's gorgeous through a clean signal. I have a 81-60 combo. EMG is a little ballsier to my ears in the single string riffing area. Nazgul has a bit more of a growl maybe. I feel like they're on a team. Buy them both

[@ubertwerpify]

Carlos Silva nazgul was way worse on cleans

[@wartooth314]

Mike C Man, I disagree, and I've been a lifelong EMG player. I thought the Nazguls weren't as dirty on the cleans, and more smoother and dynamic. Now, the EMG's win for me for riffing. They got that tight attack I need for palm muting.

[@BigKyleTX]

I love the Mid presence of the Nazgul, very warm, yet still crisp. I wanna get the Nazgul 7!

[@BigTw1nBiker]

I use both seymour duncan and emg, fuck me right?

[@mikestamper]

PsN Warexplore Then fuck me too!! :D

[@esdortcho8314]

+PsN Warexplore Same here man

[@kevrem984]

+PsN Warexplore I hate emg's so much for rythm guitars. Bad resonances in low mid frequencies, weak dynamic... but damn, they are so smooth for lead guitars !

[@papasierra2497]

So do I.

[@Claimjumper55]

I'd have to say the Nazgul took this one. I own and like both for their individual tones.

[@joeysimoneau]

once again. passive pick ups are the way to go. but honestly, I would get both. If for some reason you need a compressed and non dynamic sound, than the emg does the trick.( and I don't mean that in a bad way) like if you enjoy not being able to tell the guitar track from the bass track than get the emgs

[@TheUglymustard]

I have both the Emg 81 and Nazgul. The Nazgul slays the Emg 81 hands down. They like allot of gain and punch through the mix allot better.

[@Danielperezguitar]

passive pickups are for winners

[@mikestamper]

La mejor opción siempre sin duda alguna.

[@lucaspuncer1828]

¿Por que has respondido en español?

[@0dmitry]

Warmonger YT De casualidad he llegado a este video y a tu comentario jajajaja

[@xx-oi3bv]

Yeah u can play metal songs with passive pickups so well dumb active pickups always fucks passive pickups when distortion matters

[@roymartin500]

depends on if the amp is a hi gain amp or not. On my Mesa Recto the Seymour Duncan JB has just the right amount of gain, anything more results in a slight loss of tone somewhat. On my solid state Fender Champion 100, the higher gain pickups are better. And of course that's just my own opinion based on my tests. Really hard to tell through compressed files then through my phone's speaker, lol.

[@Glurbschnurb]

I loved the Seymour Duncan JB in my Jackson SL1 and the passives in my PRS, but lately I've started to appreciate the EMG 81-7s for recording purposes. WIth Neural DSP modelling they are a lot more versatile than I used to think actives were. The lack of noise and how nicely they cut through a mix is a big plus.

[@serdar213]

My Only concern for 81 is You have to turn volume down of the guitar when you play cleans on a tube amp It gives an AcDc like gain..But It's good on a seperate preamp or pedal.

[@GaryMcNeill]

What was the riff at 1:22 that was sick

[@mikestamper]

Hi!! The song is called "Decadence" or also "Dkdnz!". I played this riff several times in multiple formats. Here are some different versions of it. Enjoy them!! :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnvZYoOlpbB3d6c (2019) mikestamper.bandcamp.com/track/dkdnz (2010) nosensewithin.bandcamp.com/track/decadence (2009)

[@iphone1852]

getting my nazgul installed in a few days cant wait

[@tylernewman4955]

The riff at 0:58 sounds great! Is it from anything?? :D

[@craigharrison5406]

the Nazgul is tighter with a more focussed high end. The 81 was darker and muddier. I own both of these pickups and would say overall the Nazgul is a better pickup however for leads active EMG's can't be beat.

[@WildChildMcCloud]

Dark and muddy aren't adjectives I'd use in any context to describe Emg 81 pickups.

[@craigharrison5406]

@@WildChildMcCloud compared to the Nazgul and even duncan distortions, the emg are darker 100%. The EQ chart has the Nazguls rated 9 for mids 10 for treble. The reason is they were designed originally for 7 strings in order to get note seperation for the low B string. You are right the EMGs are not dark or muddy per say but compared to the Nazgul they are.

[@thesolorider3446]

1:21 o 2:24

[@raphaelcamio5236]

Rocking with an EMG right now. i gotta say if you prefer a warmer sounding tone and a slight echo clean tone, then i recommend it.

[@rafatech123]

Eternal Battle. If you are a guitarist that play always on distorted mode and like to show agressivity, so you need Active pickups. But...If you are a versatile guitarist that play on distorted mode and precious clean mode you need passive pickups.

[@bandpassmess]

I’m turning into a pickup snob , a pickup can grind but if I can’t hit my pinch 🤏 harmonics clearly cutting through the distortion I don’t care for it ! My Peavy EVH WG bridge PU does this best for my taste of course they were made JUST FOR THAT GUITAR. So i might have to test drive some from SD !

[@CoKeHQ1]

as I've had emg hz's my whole life which are kinda muddy but ofc good for metal, seymour duncans hit different to me, that crispiness is just so new to me hah. now to learn to switch mics to my old beauty or just buy a whole new guitar.(if I switch mics going passive to passive and just buy new guitar with actives) maybe even grab my first 7string with em actives! so exciting.

[@felipedromundo-schneider5713]

for me the Seymours win this hands down

[@rsdeepsea]

I use DiMarzio Super Distortion DP100's , have since 1986. Back in the 80's I played a JB Player pro series Rhoads-style offset V with the DP100's. Once used a friends Jackson with EMG's (not sure which models) but it sounded muddy compared to my DiMarzio's. In 96 I bought a '76 Les Paul Custom Tuxedo and dropped a DP100 in the bridge. Its a super bright, crisp crunch but also gets a deep chest thumping muted string attack. I need to try out some Duncan's for perspective.

[@Bikramin86]

I feel u..i hav a squier tele with the sup dist t and i really like the crunch plus itis really articulate. Every string feels like it has body to it. I hav a demmelition with 81in it n i am really dissatisfied with its sterility. I hav another guitar with tone zone n that one too was a letdown..lacks body n too middy. Maybe i should put the sup dist in all my guitars :p

[@VegasLoungeAct]

I've been playing metal for a long, long time. Have tried many different pickups, and for metal distortion tone, nothing has ever come close to the EMG 81

[@Vestu]

Nazgul has a bit more fizz and clarity at the expense of that mid-range oomph that the emg delivers. so it's just a matter of taste.

[@大家伙-u1d]

Nazgul clean sound is better！ dirty sound so hard so cold！ but I LOVE emg 81

[@azrael666ethereal]

They sound muddy to me clean.. and far too scooped with gain.. EMG wins in my opinion.

[@alanswanson7515]

Emg clean is more chimey,present

[@Gatecreeper69]

I scored a nazgul cheap off eBay. Safe to say I'm going to be buying one for every guitar I own. They are fucking spot on

[@vidmohit4684]

I've been a passive pickup player for ever and I think I will have to finally get an active set. EMG 81 is a clear winner for my taste in this comparison.

[@crashdummy40]

Yeah but there are better sounding duncans lol

[@joeyr357]

whats the riff at 1:20?

[@rolandogabrielballadaresga3680]

I have an EMG 81 and a Nazgul 7. The nazgul has more highs and mids but al the same time is a bit muddier than the EMG 81. The EMG 81 is a bit more neutral sounding compared to the nazgul but is less muddy. I am honestly thinking of selling my nazgul and get something else since I can't believe how muddy it is since is meant for "djent" and metal.

[@q.rsevercedalpha7191]

At 1:00, whats the name of the song this riff comes from?

[@muslimninjaassassin2498]

I aways loved how Passive sound... Plus the cheaper in the long run.

[@slyrez]

passive pickups sounds so much more dynamic. I used to be an EMG guy buy since my first pair of seymour duncans, I am hooked

[@rocking1213]

What's the song at 1:22 ?

[@tayeor]

you play the riff 1:43 minutes this amazing !! how do you do it?? :D

[@mikestamper]

+tayeor That's "Decadence" by No Sense Within! One of the first songs I ever wrote for a band. I always loved that riff and never stopped playing it since then! :)

[@PoderdosJogos]

massa vei! excelente video e teste, da pra notar a diferença entre eles claramente apesar de que eu me agradei de ambos mas cada um tem suas particularidades e timbres ideais para diferentes tipos ou ate o msm estilo, porem vai depender do que cada um prefere. que dedilhado lindo q inicia em 2:10 tem como passar? viajei em uma musica com esse som em!

[@Fackunator]

I like how the Duncans sound. They've got a nice, crisp and clear tone. I thought EMG was the way to go but I'm starting to consider SDs.

[@aidanloveaidan]

What's that song called from 2:10? So nice!

[@mikestamper]

+aidanloveaidan It's not from a real song, just an on-the-go riff influenced by... god knows who or what!! :P

[@Shad0wC0mpany2]

The 81 took the crown on the that riff at 2:10!!!

[@celestialcolosseum]

not really, nazgul sounds so much fuller, 81 sounds so generic. Nazgul shows its character in that riff

[@aalex497]

I would prefer clean - nazgul, distorted - EMG. Should I buy 2 guitars ? )

[@Zz2k47]

Everyone has a different taste in tone. I love EMG pickups if you want the active pick up with a passive feel try put the X series of EMG pickups they sound better than the originals less gain,more head room and all other factors improved. I use a 60X/89XR set in my Jackson rhoads rrxmg.

[@GrazianoPala]

thank you for share this video. They are both good pickups....the best? .... it is a matter of taste

[@marcelofedericoayalaavalos4481]

For cleans: Seymour Duncan Hi gain distortion: Emg 81

[@pageo91]

can someone tell me what is the name of the song at 1:43? it sounds badass

[@mikestamper]

+pageo91 It's "Decadence" by No Sense Within! You can listen to it on this link from my KZbin channel kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGeYgmd6hrZljrM

[@pageo91]

+Mike Stamper Thanks man. It's awesome

[@mkenny17]

SD Live Wire Dave Mustaine? it is basically JB/Jazz combo but is active. see how it would compare to EMG 81-85 ZW (which is emg 81)

[@Kynos1]

I've tried almost all passive high output pickups but I keep going back to EMG81. That's all I need.

[@cesar.arrano]

You can tell the diference when using the clean channel

[@michaeld2716]

Thank you.

[@kenobie2002]

Anyone know the song on this part I love it and I wanna learn it 3:00minute part

[@sikfist]

You can always add more Distortion but you cant take it away. Seymour Duncan Nazgul All the way Passive Rocks...

[@alex.hart658]

Personal opinion, set up like in the video, I prefer the EMG on a distorted or overdriven tone but def prefer the warmer feel or the duncans on cleans. That said, I find I can get a really nice warm clean tone w my EMG 81/60 set by switching toggle to both pickups, turning them down, and cranking the clean channel on the amp, and adding in some reverb. I would love a second EC-1000 w. passives in it, maybe the Pegasus / Sentient like in some of the new EC-1000s

[@DementiaJoe]

The emg pickups sound solidstate budget amp sounding. Electric fuzz in the background.

[@TheArchKnight]

Man, you gotta post those tabs for the awesome riffs.

[@Wabin22]

I've can't believe I've never heard about the Nazgul! It sounds really nice both distorted and clean I must say, very impressive and kicks the active pickups ass. I really like how it sounds at 1:54. What song is that btw?

[@lucifer0001]

Would running both pickup's be the best set up & if it is would the active pickup work the best at the neck while the humbucker is close to the bridge? What brand of pickup's are worth their cost? Also! I noticed that nobody's build that I've seen has a decent wire harness instead of sloppy wires dangling all over. A few pairs of bullet connectors, a crimping tool, a heat gun or Bic lighter & some heat shrink would greatly simplify part swaps & repairs.

[@NoddyTheSun]

Anyone knows the song @1:45 ?

[@IguanoTwix6942]

I've always liked EMGs, but the guitar I'm getting has a 6 string nazgul in it. thanks for the vid man!

[@MichaelRigsbyHammer]

i like the warmth of the nazgul

[@bryanmchugh1307]

Wow! The Nazgul just ate the 81 alive in clarity and depth!

[@aarongtr180]

Nazgul is warmer, but is a bit further forward and has less "bark". Still, I think I'd go with the Nazgul here.

[@paulotis6571]

hi my friends i have try emg it's the emg 81 0n my jackson guitar, but i also use seymour duncan on my gbson flying v both of them is the best till i end up put the 81 and nazgul together on my reissue epiphone korina 58 2016 huuhhhh. what a blast love it.

[@unisonosc1617]

Excellent comparison. I just love how EMG comes right out sounding like a studio produced track. Passive are just overly dynamic and inconsistent for my taste. I guess the nuance of playing is just lost on me. lol

[@mlschultzBsOK]

Seriously though, what is the riff at 1:22 ? a bunch of people have asked, but i couldn't find an answer and it driving me nuts

[@mikestamper]

It's just a song of mine! Check this guitar demo from last year where I used it in a full song: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX2ZZGmvZ7KJeLs

[@kiarashpkt]

More clarity on clean with EMGs, more Dynamics on distortion with Nazgul. i prefer emgs

[@-Mardos]

I have the nazgul and just realized the scratchy high mids arent my amps/setups fault but part of the „nazgul“ sound. Thats been annoying me quite some time.

[@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013]

I'm consistently amazed that not only can so many people listen to the same thing and come away with completely different takes on it, but despite seeing dozens of other people reply equally confidently about both perspectives, almost seeming to imply that this is obviously subjective and a tossup, basically everyone seems to be 100% assured that theirs is the one true objectively correct opinion and everyone else is an idiot.

[@o0Desimere0o]

i have emg's but seriously considering the nazgul

[@mikestamper]

+o0Desimere0o Consider them as one of the best options for metal right now! But EMGs are great too. It's more a matter of taste, :)

[@o0Desimere0o]

Thanks man

[@o0Desimere0o]

any other suggestions?

[@o0Desimere0o]

ive gathered that. I worked 25 hours of overtime this week just to pay for them XD! Cant wait!!!

[@hellskreamer]

+Mike Stamper +1, They are both really nice in their own ways, but good at the same things, one person might like emg's while the other one might like seymour duncans. Atm i only use EMG's, but its my second guitar and haven't ever used duncans, but honestly now that i hear them, they sound better (in my opinion).

[@angellaboy8336]

What riff are you playing at 1:24? It sounds really good, is it from a song or just an improvisation?

[@zyonero]

NAZGUL all the way ... \m/

[@MaggotCZ]

You have natural sounding comparsions i like it .. do you have Blackouts AHB - 3 ? That will be awesome to hear that cheers.

[@mikestamper]

Hope to test that set soon, but not sure yet! When that happens, you'll have a video here, :)

[@MaggotCZ]

Mike Stamper ok thanks for response :)

[@wseam1]

Subtle differences in the gains but WOW the cleans are way nicer on the Dunkeroos. Not surprising but it’s crazy to hear it back-to-back.