The most NERVE-WRACKING climbing I've tried

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

I know true trad-dads will call me a chicken after seeing this episode.. But hopefully some of you can relate to my struggles of feeling terrified up on the wall, be it on boulders, sport routes or trad adventures. For me this was a great experience, and I'm psyched to keep pushing myself in these disciplines! PS. Here's the patreon: www.patreon.com/emilabrahamsson

[@jasperray6576]

I think anyone climbing 8a on trad deserves probs, regardless of how good the placements are!

[@DefinitelyNotTwitter]

From the sound of it you'll fit right in with us mere mortals shitting it on a 6a, somethings unite us all no matter the grade!

[@AnonymousOtters]

If you aren't placing your own gear, or at least following and removing it, you aren't experiencing trad climbing. You might as well be clipping bolts, not that it isn't scary to fall on gear regardless. Get comfortable placing your own gear first and don't rush that process. More than any discipline other than alpine, it takes a lot of time

[@bloodink9508]

No true trad dad is gonna give you any sH*t for this episode. The “dad / mamma” part of that title is all about sharing knowledge and the stoke shared when someone expands their abilities. The only people who will give you any crap with this, aren’t ‘true’ anything, expect maybe true “a&&holes”. Great video.

[@AnonymousOtters]

@@bloodink9508 The "dad" part also comes with not being afraid of giving advice to young/new people to slow the hell down and learn to do it right, so that they can also live long enough to pass on their knowledge

[@pintobean4455]

Speaking from experience, the gamer to climber pipeline is so real 😂

[@yScribblezHD]

Dude it really is. I still play games minimally when on rest days and whatnot, but if I could climb all day safely then I would 😂

[@SpartaSpartan117]

Damn I was a part of this pipeline without even knowing 😂

[@areichental]

I've been actively recruiting more former pro gamers to climb since it's better for mental health. Good choices.

[@olabystrom5265]

Indeed it is 😅

[@azdirtnaper]

FAXS, I just realized it too, eric karlsson also played wow a shit ton.

[@alexanderborgestedt9809]

How long until Pete and Mari talk you into a Norwegian trad adventure?

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Hopefully not too long, Pete texted me when he saw I was on this asking if it's time for some shenanigans

[@Jlegener]

@@EmilAbrahamsson I’m definitely on this train and look forward to the collab 🤞

[@arccazz]

@@EmilAbrahamsson OMG absolutely hell yes! Pete, Emil and Toby going trad climbing, now that's what I want to see. :D

[@montehurd]

there are subtleties with gear placement which can make the difference between them being secure or not. climbing at your limit before learning about these is a recipe for bad times. highly recommend getting mileage on easier terrain with an experienced trad leader who can critique your placement and rope management. there are important nuances to trad belaying as well edit: relieved to see you have a mentor 😅

[@Mike-oz4cv]

The big question is how you can actually learn which placements are good and which are not. Just because somebody has placed cams a thousand times doesn’t mean any of those placements would have held a fall.

[@AllegraClimbingPsychologist]

​@@Mike-oz4cv if you think about it, that goes for bolts as well. It's not a matter of whether it is good or bad but the degree of risk. Sometimes gear pop out. And experience gives you this type of information. It will always be probabilistic. You can also try your gear more than what Emil did (you usually pull on it or try to make some falls) and try leading with a top rope as well. So if the gear falls you have a backup rope.

[@robertpepper5256]

Mike, trad climbing is best learned by following an experienced climber, then once the new climber understands how to place GOOD GEAR and PROPERLY BACK IT UP (JUST IN CASE) they are ready to begin lead climbing. It is best to begin to practice this ART FORM on ground that is at first easy so the risk of falling is minimal, and have an experienced trad leader as your second to CHECK THE GEAR PLACEMENTS until both parties are confident the new trad climber has a proper understanding of the skills and techniques to actually protect a line safely. After this the new leader should try to climb g rated climbs that by degrees approach their limit. The goal is to learn to place gear under duress that WILL CATCH THE CLIMBER WHEN THEY FALL. Sorry for yelling but this is important stuff and far too many people are skipping these step, which leads to them placing themselves in serious jeopardy (see KZbin).

[@Mike-oz4cv]

@@robertpepper5256 The problem is that there is no feedback loop. How does your experienced friend know what a good (or bad) placement actually looks like?

[@Mike-oz4cv]

@@AllegraClimbingPsychologist Bolt installation has far fewer variables and there are proper guidelines on how to do it. Edit: Oh and it has usually much much more safety margin. It’s very uncommon for a bolt to just fail.

[@taraexell6875]

I started out with Trad climbing, not leading though, until recently. I'm British so it's more common here. When I started to lead, I started with routes that I was confident with climbing, so that I could then concentrate on placing gear. Now I'm more confident with my gear placement I'm improving my climbing grade. Good luck with this journey.

[@alancarne8111]

Brave first experience Emil. Whipping on that 2kn micro nut is quite an adrenaline rush eh? Oh, I finally sent the route a week later just before the rain arrived!

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Haha cheers mate! Thanks for letting me fall on it ;) Awesome to hear you sent it!! Congratulations my friend. My fingers are itching to go back...

[@iedison3839]

I haven't done 8A trad, but I've done 7C/+ and like to think I'm pretty experienced, and all I have to say is I think the step-wise approach is a really good idea for learning to try hard on gear. Working on TR first then pinkpointing (redpointing with pre-placed gear) are great first steps. To build confidence further I'd suggest placing your own gear while toprope sending, pinkpointing on gear you placed, and finally going for the full placing-on-lead redpoint. You could even break it down further e.g. place everything on lead except having the pieces in the crux pre-placed. The most important part of getting comfy on gear is just doing it more and learning to trust the gear--and of course learning what good placements are. A step-wise approach works really well here too: taking falls on gear with a top rope back-up, just slowly weighting bomber placements, then weighting bad placements above bomber ones (learn what will hold and what won't), taking small then big falls on bomber pieces, taking small then big falls on bad pieces above bomber ones, until eventually you feel confident trying hard above gear, even if its marginal. Regardless, whether you continue the journey or not, pinkpointing a super techy vert 8A on micro cams/nuts in two days is insane. Huge props

[@juliogallo7694]

Cordi with the bicep kiss is the highlight of 2022

[@YannCamusBlissClimbing]

Congrats Emil!! Nice to see this progress!!

[@pauldapigeon]

What did you think of the top rope set up? There was a lot of faff with feed

[@YannCamusBlissClimbing]

@@pauldapigeon his TRS setup is close to top notch. Except for the weight at the bottom he needed more. Great device choice and reasonable configuration. I am sure he made a few adjustments that made it perfect in the end… otherwise he could look at my online course ;-)

[@theclimbingtourist4404]

Loved this video! Can't wait to see the rest of your trad adventures. I hope you love it.

[@wottah]

I can also definitely relate to the gaming story. Only I was 31 when I discovered climbing a years ago... Still hoping to make mid 7s climbing+bouldering one day!

[@Masamaihari]

Thanks for sharing the experience!! Good job 😺💫

[@stuart9587]

Lets go, I'm just getting into trad climbing and this is helpful and entertaining! You should document your experience about trying to trad climb it would be so cool!

[@Bobbzorzen]

Would love to see you with Pete for a trad collab, since he taught Toby in 5 days teaching you should be very doable :D

[@wodinvalfor8607]

Took my first outdoor whipper on my second trad climb, so trusting gear came pretty quickly for me 😅

[@johtso1]

What a beautiful looking route! Just a little comment on top rope solo setup, happy to see you using a backup device, lots of people out there just putting their lives on a single microtraxion. From what I could see you were really close to a nicely feeding setup, you just needed some weight hanging on the end of the rope.. some coils of the rope itself, or a waterbottle etc. As I'm sure you know, having slack build up above the device is a bad idea with a toothed ascender, especially when you're slapping for the top and there's not much rope in the system to stretch! Gotta say though, seeing you climb the thing while also pulling rope through the device was mad impressive 😂

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Cheers for the advice mate! Appreciate that

[@user-dg9ti5gq4e]

I think trying to rid yourself of the Death/Bomber Binary is Important. Gear isn't just "Absolutely bomber" or "yer gonna die" I've seen many sub par pieces hold falls and take weight easily. All the climbing equipment is super over rated for what it does. Its worth placing even peices that aren't absolutely bomber because they will probally hold your fall or at least slow you down. Better to give placements a rating out of 10, strive to place high rated pieces, and try to develop a feeling of being "More safe" the more high rated pieces you have in, this is really more realistic to how Trad climbs actually play out.

[@redbarron128]

Love the Josh Garrels music as the background for your climb! 8) And I am looking forward to more content like this! Trad climbing looks so intense... haha.

[@nickkealiiclimbs]

This was so intense to watch. I don't know if trad, especially hard trad is in my future, but big props to you on trying to accomplish the goals you set when you were younger. I definitely think it's possible for you if you can overcome the fear!

[@TheMatthewGoodacre]

Would love to see you on dreamcatcher in squamish ;)

[@RedSkyLB]

Stoked for more of the journey

[@kavali6320]

The drone's shadow on the wall was hovering beside you like a guardian angel ;)

[@Hendershot93]

That just brought me soooo much stoke!! I’m just getting into trad as well, good job my friend!!!

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Happy I could get some stoke out of you!

[@tobbetrubbel5266]

Toppenvideo som alltid, vore riktigt kul att få se lite mer av legenden Wulf. Tror det hade blivit en intressant video. Han är ikon

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Ska kika med honom, vore riktigt kul att göra något lite större med legenden. Han är grym trots allt

[@TheJustinConnor]

Great stuff brother keep it up

[@phineasg7709]

The astonished Emil face at about 1:48 will stay with me forever.

[@TheMacroGravity]

Super cool that you're challenging yourself in these new dimensions. As a seasoned trad dad, my advice is recognize that placing gear and climbing well are two different skills. I know safe 5.9 trad climbers and sketchy 5.13 trad climbers. The best way to get good at placing gear and start trusting it is to top rope aid, with liberal bounce testing. Also P.S. I use a mallion into both of my tie in points instead of a lower locker on the locker draw you use for TR solo, it lowers it and helps keep the microtrax out of your nipple 😂

[@holstblock.web3]

Well done! I got sweaty hands while watching!

[@matiask7633]

Man, trad is something I will probably never touch. I'm scared on some downclimbs of boulders around here!

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Completely understandable my friend, it's quite terrifying

[@Ben-ew3hv]

This is my natural position but as a Brit I don't see this position being sustainable as a lot of the good climbing is trad

[@Lockstepper]

Nice job pushing your comfort zone out a little bit further! One bit of advice though, when you are toprope soloing you would do well to add another camming device to your system. If that microtraxion fails, you've got no redundancy. A good combo would be two trax's, a Croll 2 and a trax, or my go-to: a TAZ Luv2 and a trax. If you aren't familiar with the Luv2, its basically a grigri that trails in line with the rope, so you don't have to pull in slack as you climb.

[@Bobbzorzen]

Awesome episode!

[@frantisekbrandejs2727]

I love the story from World of Warcraft questing to climbing. You are awesome.

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Turns out, killing C'thun wasn't everything

[@ryanweeks287]

That Eastern Plaguelands wow throwback tho

[@mrgumbyking]

Going from gamer to climber is fun because you really get to enjoy the stat building a lot more. Makes the process as fun as a good grind in an MMO.

[@Sepp2009]

1:57 hahaha the best

[@beautyofsylence]

Amazing vid Emil! Just one small tip for next time you're tr soloing: tie a knot at the base of the climb with something heavy attached (rope bag etc). The tension in the rope will feed through your ascenders automatically without you having to pause and pull up every few m. Keep crushing brother 💪

[@Det.DustySocks]

Awesome video, and good luck on the journey! Just a tip, if you hang off your practice placement near the ground, don’t look up at it. If it pops, you may get to see how talented your local emergency dentist is.

[@florenceclerc1935]

Please be extra careful when you use the gear that someone else put in place: with the movements of the rope or a fall, the gear may move and a good placement may end up not so secure. In particular, you should check after a fall that the cam is still correctly placed. Shit happens: a friend of mine ended with a concussion because a cam popped after he took two falls on it. It is quite likely that the rope drag from the previous partner installing the gear, then coming down and those two falls made the cam "walk". That friend did not know how to place gear and to him the placement of the cam still looked good (and he was wearing a helmet). Also I also second all those who suggest you practice placing gear on easy routes :) Stay safe and enjoy the journey!

[@dannygrout92]

What's the name of the hiphop tune @11:00 !!?

[@jasonsheppard1]

"I do think this is what people refer to as bomber", man you're cracking me up! 😂That placement does look good but a bit shallow, ideally you want a piece to be a bit further back in the crack if you can just in case of any slip while being shock loaded. I think to learn to place gear you need to climb lots of stuff you can easily onsight before pushing the grades. Over time you develop an eye for placements and start to be able to quickly calculate what pieces of protection can go where. Then when you've placed a lot of gear it's easy to tell what is bomber and what is not. Ultimately you need to fall on gear to learn to be able to trust it fully. Your approach seems a bit "in at the deep end" to me, going straight for an 8a when you haven't spent much time developing the mental and gear placing skills associated with trad climbing. For me personally (and maybe this is because I learned surrounded by UK trad ethics) a lot of the appeal in trad climbing is trying to onsight harder routes, that super focused headspace of figuring out both the moves and the gear on the spot. Loved the video and hope that this is the start of many trad climbing adventures for you!

[@LoveAndClimbing]

Not gonna lie, the entire reason I got into sport climbing and bouldering was as training for trad climbing. I've come to appreciate sport climbing and bouldering in their own right, but trad is still my true love. The kind of trad I like is much like this line, just easier: I love the look of walking up to a mostly empty wall with nothing but rock, like a blank canvas, and climbing it.

[@calebhollenkamp7035]

Let’s gooooo trad climbing!!!!

[@UndercoverWolverine]

Whew, I get nervous about stability when I'm walking up thin stairs in a tall building lol. Trad seems nerve-wracking, but awesome, thanks for the cool look into it Emil!! P.S. A lot of us game dev's love climbing too, feeling the solidarity with other gamers in the comments here :)

[@thephilej]

en episod med wulf i fokus hade varit kul! ballt att du har taggat till på trad!! du fixar crackoholic!

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Ska snacka med honom om det, vore sjukt kul att filma honom

[@trevorratchford3768]

generally people don’t get on an 8a for their first lead on gear, but hats off!

[@ryangamv8]

Holy fuck that end was run out dude. Props for doing that with no trad experience

[@flooo5071]

Really nice to see this style in your videos ! Were all the gear placements 'safe' ?

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Haha I’m not one to judge, but according to the experts they’re all “bomber” aside from one or two that are quite bad, but wouldn’t result in a ground fall!

[@brycespryce]

What are you doing projecting an 8a as your first real trad lead? What’s wrong with 7a?

[@schnibbelschnibbel]

The crag looks beautiful! Cool video, as usual. Probably not your typical "intro to trad climbing" though 🤣 In the trad course I took the first thing we did was to practice placing gear in a bolted crag. Clipping a draw in a bolt, then clipping a cam/nut not too far above it, then first weighting it, then taking small falls on it. Btw, if the moves on Sweden's only 8c+/9a felt easier, will you project that route as well? 💪

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

I hope I can try the route a bit, but it's a 16 hour train ride up there so I'd most likely have to fly, which I don't think I'd do to just work on one route. I'm up there for National team things every now and then though, so if that aligns well I'm sure I'll be on the route a bit :-)

[@TerjeMathisen]

I learned to climb in the seventies, so trad climbing was the only possible option! We also didn't have boulder pads, so very short routes (i.e. boulder problems) either required a very nice landing (think soft sand under Midnight Lightning in Camp4 which still looked both way too scary and too hard to attempt on my first visit in 1981) or a top rope. When the first cams (Friends) turned up they really revolutionized trad climbing since any crack could now provide fast & bomber protection: Before this it was always a question of finding good spots for small nuts or in larger cracks where we had to use hexes. BTW, your first "bomber" cam placement was probably way too close to the surface of the crack, it did not have room to walk a few mm and still stay safe.

[@robertosullivan9027]

Yep agreed that cam was far from bomber!

[@andrewhunter6536]

3+ straight to 8a. That is bold! Planning placing gear on something easier like a 6 or 7 something where you can’t just stand hands free all day so do need to be quick but aren’t totally gripped?

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Hmm, I'm not sure. Next trip I plan to place gear once when toproping, and if it feels like I can do it well I'll probably go for an ascent! But if I still feel un-easy I'll definitely ease into it more :-)

[@christooss]

Did Emil spend to much with Anna Hazelnutt? From 3+ to 8a feels suspectingly like her experience :D

[@chasleichner5895]

I don’t know how the rock is in your corner of the world, but looks like some of those placements you did on the ground involved relatively small blocks that might not have been securely attached to the main rock. Might be a good idea to give those blocks a knock and see if they sound hollow or move around before declaring the piece bomber.

[@teaclimbing]

So what your saying is, Emil x Dave mac x Widebois crossover is a possibility???

[@ivannevrela8068]

Respect!

[@xavierx93]

My hands were drenched watching you climb trad. I'll probably never ever try trad, way too scary for me

[@steelmacecontinuum8696]

When high altitude mixt? 😎

[@naurisjanulis5444]

Hi Emil, just wanted to ask - what are you using as a secondary device, when trying out the route and rope soloing? Saw the mini traction on top, but wasn't sure what's the backup. This topic has got me interested recently and seeing quite a few different setups, but haven't figured out on the best approach to try myself. Anyways - as a dude who's also often scared of falling, totally get the ''mental'' pink point try as step-up to your goal. Hope this leads to more cool vid's and experiences to share with the world. Good luck on your proj.

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

I'm definitely not the one to ask for the "best setup", but I'll let you know anyway. The gear below is a jumar handle with a locking carabiner anda micro traction on top like you said!

[@logiconabstractions6596]

I think part of the issue is the your transition/learning process. I don't climb as hard as you do, so what do I know I guess... but I do climb trad, onsight, on stuff I'm 50/50 about falling or not, and while doing it it feels to me a lot more secure and comfortable than what you are describing. The reason why I can do hard trad onsight (for me - that's ~5.11 YDS, I climb ~5.12- YDS on sport) is because part of learning trad for me was learning to fall on gear. That processs meant falling on gear. Like a lot. Initially aiding on gear, even on routes where I didn't NEED to aid. Then intentionally falling on gear (typically a piece I trusted, with a bomber piece just below I also trusted in a clean fall setup). Most gear route I led, I would clean on rappel (instead of having a 2nd cleaning) so I could inspect my gear with a cool head. After doing that for a while, it got to the point where I was really OK with climbing above my gear knowing that the moves weren't 100% secure, and falling was a real possibility. This allows me to climb nearly as hard trad as I can sport, and falling on my gear feels pretty much like falling a on a bolt - I don't care too much actually.

[@Gabrielowns321]

I hope you're playing wrath classic

[@BoboBish]

Did you and Erik Karlson ever play WoW together?

[@Ninfreddo]

I don´t know, how people try to test Trad Gear first on a trad route, instead of a sport climbing route... Even if the Sling holds under static load it´s a whole different thing if you load it dynamiccaly. Just even try to place it and instead of just hanging try to move 50 cm closer and fall into your sling,

[@JoBianco]

RU a Xn? Is that Josh Garrells I hear?

[@linksgrunversifft4270]

Funny how pro-climbers often struggle with trad😊 It’s nice to see they‘re human, where I love trad and had no trouble learning it only working my way up through the grades 😅

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Haha yeah it's tricky. For me the big thing is "loss of control", when I'm on this terrain and focusing on just anything besides climbing my climbing also suffers immensely, feels like I'm a beginner again :P

[@robertosullivan9027]

I felt the fear! But this is not the way to learn trad or how to keep your head on hard trad! Start easier and get some trad miles in. Glad to see the helmet.

[@ericwood319]

i didnt know u place your gear on top rope

[@jamesnemenyi]

Was this your first time top-rope-soloing?

[@ryenschimerman2127]

Most important trad advice I've ever gotten: "Trad doesn't fail, rock fails."

[@xyzNexus]

Can't finish the video now. But before I go I want to advise you to team up with an experienced trad climber. Gear placement is no joke! A close friend nearly lost his life pulling all gear, decking...

[@LukeRockCimber]

😢Top rope drone view seems like the rope might be rubbing … please don’t get hurt check your rope and maybe throw a sleeve over it if you try that again

[@shinraninja]

i would have been more scared of the top rope snapping on the rock it was rubbing on

[@Sway___SD]

let's fucking goooooooo

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Haha I appreciate the hype homie

[@fat82much]

Nice job dude! Those final few metres run out above a single nut look a bit pants pooping. I feel you man. every time I've gone trad climbing it's been just as scary as the previous time

[@BlitzDG]

This screams get Pete Whittaker!

[@t.m.4808]

Did exactly the same... also switched from obsessed gamer (top 10 in one game) to obsessed climber xd

[@themikesohm]

Your first trad route is your hardest/goal?? Man…

[@JohnGM96]

No ice or alpine objectives on the lifetime project list? Id you think trad is scare, think again...

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Haha that's why those are not on the lifetime project list. But maybe one day...

[@the.Aruarian]

The Christian praise rap threw me off, ngl 😂

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Haha fair enough. I think I don't listen to lyrics as intensely as some other people do

[@dannygrout92]

Colab with Pete Whittaker, you'll climb 8 trad in a session 😂😂

[@johnsentris225]

Yeahh climbing is basically the side quest of life

[@DSVDSVDSV]

Redpointing traditional routes in this style is essentially just sportclimbing with extra steps. Very little of the decisions that make trad climbing distinct from sport climbing are present - since the types of gear, the locations of it and the quality are all known prior to stepping onto the wall. You aren't really gaining any skills as a trad climber by doing this. Still a pretty hard climb though.

[@jlsjls4210]

Don’t get my wrong, I love what you do with the channel, however I must say, that’s a style of climbing is called headpointing, trad climbing is something else really…

[@NelloBiasini]

World of Warcraft 😍

[@azdirtnaper]

why do rock climbers all use to play wow/games 😭😭😭 eric karlsson now you

[@TedHolmwood]

Love your videos but the Christian rap is really not it

[@lleberghappy]

Climbing is a videogame.

[@el3xg373]

Hate to be that guy, but it's "wrecking" I believe ;) unless I'm missing some pun...

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Mate I was so sure of that as well, but after googling it turns out it’s actually nerve-racking that’s the correct one, but wracking is accepted and wrecking incorrect. Blew my mind

[@el3xg373]

@@EmilAbrahamsson whaaaaaaaat. This is why there are conspiracy theories. You think you know something.. mind blown²

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

@@el3xg373 I could not agree more. I dug deep on this, only to find the rabbit hole doesn’t end

[@Yaebale]

Oh no not ganking an AFK player in wow hahaha

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Filthy hordes deserved it 😈

[@snofflan3148]

Ner? bor du i Skåne

[@ichweissnicht9608]

could have talked a bit about the e scale

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

I could’ve, but on the other hand I have no actual idea of how it works, aside from E+high number = dangerous, and also = scary + easy or hard + also scary. That’s about it

[@krushruss]

I believe there are some videos elsewhere on youtube that explain that scale my friend

[@ichweissnicht9608]

@@EmilAbrahamsson yes. afaik most trad routes come with two grades. for example E9 6b, would mean a super scary climb where the hardest move is 6b. i think it would be interesting if you talked about it in a future video. it could help to bring into perspective how your fear compares to more experienced trad climbers.

[@anthonysiu9401]

Mate this is barely trad lol, no cracks were used in this whole route. More like an E9 sport route

[@conserve_climber]

I want to get my gamer kids more into climbing. I have a seven year old (this week ❤️) that still loves to climb with me so there is hope. Okay, I’ll also go to your patreon and throw something in the pot…but please please please, no political views. I can almost guarantee we won’t align…I may be wrong but conservatives in this space are rare…we aren’t evil, just difficult to understand 😂

[@EmilAbrahamsson]

Hey mate! Thanks a ton for the support, greatly appreciated :-) All I'll say about politics is that in my book you're more than entitled to any and all opinions you have, and I respect whatever they may be :-) What I care about on this platform is my passion, and hopefully your passion, for climbing. That's what I wanna communicate as much as possible! If we ever sit down and have a beer and chat I'd surely voice what I think on different topics, but on here it's all about climbing. PS. For your gamer kids, if they're anything like me a great source of motivation would be "for every new grade you get X", where X is either money, chocolate or something else that's fun! But that's just me ;)

[@seanhill4027]

Sneaky Christian rap insert - Heck yeah man

[@Xohonix]

Well...in my opinion, there is no reason to try trad climbing this hard... honestly thats no fun... Its not sportclimbing. u better never fall...Every fall is a big risk. Its also not about trust...bc there is no trust!! Its no mental thing. Its absolutely not safe and the trust issue you habe is reasonable. Its not like the trust issue a beginner has, when he has to take a big fall while Sportclimbing. The worst of all...there is, how i said, rly no reason to take that big risk! So why? sad

[@as3fawf]

like because you don't shave your chest!