End of MSF Course and someone drops a bike to fail

This was the end of my MSF class and some dude fails the class at the last second because he drops the bike

[@keithcurtis6671]

I am an MSF RiderCoach. A dropped bike is only an automatic failure if it happens during the actual evaluation. A drop in line while riding between evaluations, while riding to staging or in this case pushing a bike off of the range is NOT part of the evaluation and can not be used to fail a rider. And I agree with many others, this RiderCoach is acting like a total jerk. Even if there was a failure in the evaluation it should not be mentioned in front of the others in the class.

[@ukcitizen1158]

Keith Curtis Agreed!

[@chicothesilentguy3466]

Agreed 100%

[@UsaRubber]

Never took a MSF course guarantee I can ride better than you and anyone that has gone through the course.

[@megacoolman45]

@tv/ UsaRubber Ok?

[@AQHackAQ]

tv/ UsaRubber sure you can

[@raymon760]

How many people thought it was going to be the guy in yellow from the beginning?

[@cameronhunter5397]

raymon760 Yeah for some reason I had the same vibe... Its like he wasnt paying attention at all

[@HalfGramDabs]

Cameron Hunter He seemed like he thought he was to good at riding for this. Just the way he was back leaned over talking like he didnt give a fuck cause he knew everything. Like who looks back on a bike like that.

[@cameronhunter5397]

getter done yeah that's exactly what I thought, why tf is he leaning back. I doubt he failed but that's what he gets for being a cocky dumbass lmao

[@adam37886]

Cameron Hunter My father took the course at our Local Harley shop. He said anyone that let the bike touch the ground automatically failed. It didn't matter at what point in the course you were in. I guess one or two failed during his class, only one was for letting the bike hit though.

[@GT6SuzukaTimeTrials]

adam37886 Great. I'm taking the course at a Harley shop because it's the closest place to take it.

[@ChrisB10]

"heyyy there's a fail" is pretty unprofessional. He didn't drop the bike either. From what I saw he clearly had it on the kickstand just looks like the stand is an old wobbly pos.

[@jdub5160]

He didn't fully extend the stand. Nothing wrong w the bike

[@Zckerby]

Seems like he was just joking though not really being serious

[@kelnap2294]

He was probably trying to crack a joke. The guy looked like he's ridden before this class. The guy who's bike fell almost laughed after the down look of shame.

[@Dubsack]

He was not joking, they do not joke about passing or failing when it comes to test time. He laid down the bike, he automatically failed.

[@MrSwitchblade327]

@@Dubsack he didn't lay it down driving

[@archtop5]

I took the course in OKC @OSU this month. A girl dropped hers during the course and the range instructor said "Don't worry about it. It happens alot. It's part of learning and most of the bikes have been dropped before." She passed like the rest of us but along with her certificate, they gave her husband the ball end of the clutch lever that broke off and told him to "Drill a hole in it and make it a necklace for her." They were excellent instructors and a worthwhile course.

[@fridgebeer6897]

That's an outstanding instructor there!

[@xdameeko8453]

If he actually failed him thats such bullshit. "whyd you fail?" "my kickstand took a nap"

[@mattie_world]

Corey D'Amico looks like his leg took the nap! he didnt even push his kickstand down the whole way LOL user error!

[@ilaser4064]

TBH although likely he passed, he deserved to fail as it's likely he'll wrap himself around a pole if he continues with his piss poor cavalier attitude.

[@milessandersisabeast2641]

@@mattie_worldregardless instructor who I hope is not allowed to instruct he put the kickstand down read the rules can’t be failed unless a bike is dropped during the activity

[@unionpride525]

For those of you who are going to start your MSF soon don't stress. The instruction is very gradual. Riding, to me, is about calming down the stress. Listen to the instructors and remember to have fun.

[@nilobeebee]

My MSF instructor kept bragging "In all of my 46 sessions of the MSF riding course, none of my students ever dropped a bike. Don't be my first."

[@alexandergarcia6588]

I start in one month and already getting nervous but thanks for the info

[@davidgesell]

@@alexandergarcia6588 How's riding been going since your test? I'm taking mine in about 2 months.

[@alexandergarcia6588]

@@davidgesell well once I passed everything I got my first bike and man it’s been an amazing experience i go almost everywhere on my bike it’s an addiction I feel like I just never wanna get off 😂

[@silverblack5475]

Im taking mine next month ....im at the mindset if i fail i fail and I'll do it again ....no biggie im going to enjoy myself .

[@Exolesco]

I think this happens at almost every class. Last year when I took it, a girl lost control of her bike when she accelerated too hard. She fell off and the bike skidded about 20 feet in front of her. The instructors said "That's what this course is for". I'd also like to mention that she did everything perfectly before and after that. She didn't get a fail, in the end she passed the test and got her permit/license.

[@butdaddy8439]

Cuz she was fuvking the guy

[@TacoProd.]

Bullshit

[@Exolesco]

@@TacoProd. That was some time ago and I don’t remember you attending that class.

[@Pop101aka]

@@Exolesco never seen someone on youtube reply to comments 6 years after their initial post. Impressive

[@davidgesell]

@@Pop101aka Guess there's still people wanting to learn how to ride motorcycles. That's good!

[@motorpickle6410]

I think the instructor was just kidding.

[@YTRulesFromNM]

You are more perceptive than 90% of the people that have enough free time to watch these stupid videos.

[@Retr0_Blues]

@@YTRulesFromNM I mean you just watched it too tho ?

[@NMalteC]

I just knew it from 5 seconds into the video that it would be the person in the yellow jacket. They were unconcentrated all through the video, looking at everyone else instead of focusing on the task at hand.

[@ulises83]

+Malte Christensen LOL, same here. I like how he use booth feet to stop motorcycle from rear ending guy in front of him.

[@shift2music181]

Me too, I knew it was gonna be the guy in yellow. He wasn't paying attention at all throughout the course :/

[@jonnysmitty7538]

Hahaha I just said that in my comment without going through them and looking at everyone else's

[@GregQuillen]

said something. then he cut that guy off..

[@etyrnal]

...but a person who's paying attention to 'everything', instead of being VERY narrowly focused, is the one who's going to notice a car not slowing down coming off a sidestreet.

[@daisy8luke]

If the dude made it all the way through the course, and dropped the bike AFTER safely stopping it and cutting the motor, that's not a fail. It's stupid, but it ain't a fail. Okay, so the kickstand wasn't fully engaged. So what? My Dyna Super Glide has a persnickety kickstand, and I have to take extra precaution with it to make sure it's all the way up, and sometimes it's difficult to get down. It can happen to anyone. Well, not me.But to average riders.

[@lorenhusky2717]

This same frickin thing happened to me on my Yamaha last week. I moved the bike, checked visually that the stand was down. It appeared to be down, I tapped it with my foot to make sure it was down. Let the bikes weight onto the side stand and boom, fell over right on top of me. Pissed me right off, I'm still mad thinking about it. It could (and does) happen to anyone.

[@TigOlBitties0000]

lol hillbilly talking about his hemi... You don't see that every single damn day. Oh wait...

[@michael-mv3de]

+bardownaint not the hemi! Anything but the hemi. Oh god no, take my eyes but not the hemi. Nice name drop, you sounded cool for like 0.0000001 seconds.

[@thedoublestandard8604]

+TigOlBitties0000 you do know hemi is a motor with a hemisphere shape cylinder. they are in all types of vehichles from trucks to Chryslers to cadillacs. i dont get the connetion your making between hillbillies and a motor thats used in luxury cars.

[@thedoublestandard8604]

+bardownaint i was trying to defend you but thats cool i guess.

[@heemlo649]

technically he didnt drop the bike, it fell over on its own

[@shogunvsamurai3523]

Sorry, he didn't dismount properly (per course instructions). Had he dismounted properly, that bike would not have fallen.

[@thebeast3683]

Bryan Butler What qualifies as dismounting properly? What I saw was the kick stand ether gave out, or was not 100% swing forward.

[@shogunvsamurai3523]

The mang Bingo! To counter that happening, it is taught to leave the bike in gear, and make sure that the kickstand is fully kicked forward before stepping off of that bike and of course turning that wheel to face the side of the kickstand. Check the video at kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXPXlJyOha5mnrMm32s and you'll notice that his wheel is not set to the max left (the side of the kickstand).

[@thebeast3683]

Bryan Butler I see. Interesting. Watching the clip again this guy seems to be in another world. Not really paying attention to what he is doing. I see him just swing it out and throw it on the stand. Not even looking at the bike.. Bet he wouldnt do that with his own bike, he just paid alot of money for... lmao.

[@tomloon9142]

The mang at the very end the instructor says,"Good thing you got in on a sale day" lol.

[@polivo0111]

based on this video, they had already completed the evaluation. This guy probably did not actually fail.

[@jimh2061]

Just passed the msf last week but man the tension leading up to the test was pressure. You tried to have fun practicing but wow.

[@EliteRainSnipers]

I knew it would be that kid in the yellow the whole video long.

[@immadkhalid1887]

me too!! lmao

[@EliteRainSnipers]

ruleej32 Comparing the most murderous president in our history to someone who may or may not have called 9/11.

[@Drewha696]

LOL Seriously! He was too distracted looking at what was going on behind him and whatnot. I was just waiting for him to do something stupid.

[@ChrisB10]

Rusty I bet your political knowledge extends as far to name off the first 3 amendments then after that you don't know anything . What kind of name is Rusty anyways. It's like name your kid Rotting or Decaying?

[@JJ.ANDERSEN.201]

yep, I knew it was the rider in yellow, too. overconfident, chillax attitude, sitting on the bike with half of his butt as if he was riding a trike in PI.

[@scootterpootter]

When I took my MSF "Returning to Riding" course, for riders who haven't ridden in a long time, it was a blizzard outside. We rode bikes that had bald tires and would barely run. I ended up on a Suzuki TU250x, and really wanted to buy one. It was a cool little bike to tool around town on, but the ones from the class were just beaters. We only had one person who fell, and he was on a Harley that they specifically told him not to bring. They weren't sure if we were going to have the class, due to the snow, but the classes are booked up so far in advance that it would be hard to reschedule everyone, so they went ahead and told everyone to leave their bikes at home. It was my first time ever riding in snow, and it was an interesting time. lol I'm thinking of becoming and MSF Instructor, I've got 3 full years of riding time in now, and they are always critically short on instructors in my county.

[@SickPrid3]

new batch of riders packed into a container and ready to be shipped to china to ride scooters ;]

[@CheerX9087]

SickPrid3 Best comment. I was thinking WTF.

[@DemonHunter160]

Wow, that instructor is an ass. When I took my MSF course there was no way we would have failed due to a kickstand accident right at the end before we got our results. Technically, the test is over by then…...

[@rayray3866]

for some reason.... i knew it was going to be the dude in yellow.

[@themanginaman]

Dropping the bike when your off if is not a fail. Coming to a stop and dropping it while you're on is.

[@Liberty4Ever]

I rode dirt bikes as a teenager (and a bit of not legal back roads). In my late 30s I bought a dual sport to use as an urban commuter, and I took the MSF course. It was a great course. I highly recommend it. Our course was a lot better than what was depicted in this video.

[@ActionMax09]

I just knew the person in Yellow was going to be the one dropping it. He kept looking back and so on. He got way too comfortable.

[@TheKingHyena]

does he mean course failure, or is he just like, 'oh i'll be hip and with it like today's young whipper snappers and say 'fail' when someone fucks up'

[@chrisriker8186]

I'm pretty sure that if you drop your bike or stall it during the MSF you fail.

[@FutureUSMC12]

***** One guy in our class dropped his bike during the test (the only time anyone dropped a bike over the three days). Our instructor let it slide.

[@0x4rk0]

Chris Riker I dropped during the course and I still got endorsed. If you drop it during the DMV test then you fail

[@saturn0660]

When I did my afternoon class one guy from the morning class dropped his bike.. he got a fail.. However, they let him come back and test with us in the afternoon class. He passed that time. They really want you to pass.

[@jerryjones6502]

Years ago when I took it, any drop at any time was a fail. Stalling was not a problem unless you were testing. During the training, a stall was fine. Something as simple as not making sure the kick stand is set, and the bike falling over would cost you the course, no matter when you did it.

[@RoyalsRP]

That's real unfortunate. I just finished taking the Ohio Basic Rider Skills class, and on day 1 of the range exercises, someone totally wiped out on a turn. Luckily it wasn't counted as a fail, just had to do some paper work. It was only a fail if you dropped the bike during any of the evaluation portions (the skills test at the end) of the class. Bless up.

[@SiriusXAim]

These courses looks a lot more relaxed than the ones we do in the UK. You'll be forking in a good $1000 passing a 3 module course, the CBT (MSF-esque course), then Theory test, then MOD 1 Off Road test, then Mod 2, On road test. Instructors and trainees all have to wear high viz too.

[@fewheeler]

The only way to fail an MSF class is to drop a bike during your final eval of which there are 4 exercises or perform an intentional unsafe act. After you have been given the all clear to proceed to the staging area (parking) you should be free and clear. Contact MSF headquarters, but I doubt he failed due to that drop, but was more likely due to points accumalated during his final eval.those are maxed out at 21

[@brycetreese6725]

During my class last week the coach said "at any time during the test if you drop the bike". However...it was OK to drop the bike as long as you didn't let go of it and walk away. If the bike tipped over and you were still "in control" of the bike, then it wasn't a fail. If you let go of the bike when it falls, walk away, etc., then that is a fail.

[@npr386]

"That sucks" Quite an understatement.

[@MrAxholio]

For those of you that are planning to take the MSF basic course - Find someone to take you to a parking lot first and learn how to ride a little. My experience in the course was almost like you needed to know how to ride, before you ever got there.These are not lessons. The "coach" would not answer any questions, nor would he offer any solutions to a problem you might be having. They just give you time to "practice". But we all know what happens if you practice your mistakes, don't we?

[@brianhoppenrath8379]

You had a bad coach if he didn’t answer questions

[@fl0sserelli]

I think the instructor's comment is a poor attempt to break tension and lighten the mood. The student probably did not extend the kickstand fully, which is a noob mistake but it could happen to anyone that is not paying attention. I think the instructor saying "there's a fail" was just pointing out the error in a lighthearted way, albeit ill-timed. The MSF course was over (or at least done for the day since everyone returns their gear at the end of the video), so I doubt the instructor failed that student for the course for that. My MSF instructor was extremely laid back, and I bet 95% of all MSF instructors are the same. You may run across a douchebag instructor once in a while, but I am pretty sure those are the exception rather than the rule. It does not benefit MSF courses to fail people for incidents like this because that would give them a reputation for being hardasses, and eventually no one would sign up for the course.

[@Flamboyant8]

The instructors at my MSF course were hardasses. I remember being yelled at several times. But I passed no issues. Also the only time I've ever dropped my bike is because my kickstand got caught on my shoelace and didn't fully extend. Learned my lesson not to wear shoes with laces. Even though I still do lol.

[@kendtchileninjah5905]

flosserelli we had instructors that were comical and would say things like that. It really did lighten the mood and helped some to relax and have fun

[@kendtchileninjah5905]

Trevor Ambrico ahhhh bro I almost dropped my bike at a stoplight because of lace lol

[@AfishalGoober]

Someone that was there said that they didn't fail because the kickstand was broken.

[@magicmike1122]

I was there, he didnt fail. The kickstand was broken or something

[@JamandTheHolograms]

Were those chicks actually hot?

[@forcedentry2010]

4 years after this comment and we still need answers. Where have you gone, Michael?

[@jeffveraart2695]

Yeah Michael.

[@Julrich8642]

WE NEED TO KNOW

[@chayan1456]

and then it got fixed instantly, a miracle

[@MrTazrush]

There are procedures to everything in this course. The procedure for stopping includes ignition off, touching the fuel cutoff valve and making sure the side stand is all the way down before dismounting.

[@7sinscomp149]

do you have to stay on the bike while walking it in neutral? I am a short rider i dont think i could, or would they give me a shorter bike like that guy that dropped it?

[@kihoon7051]

So do they provide motorcycles for you at the course? You just have to bring your own gear?

[@DoWorkNP]

They can provide everything usually. But you need to wear pants, no holes, not loose. Above the ankle boots or shoes, no converse. And a long sleeve or jacket. At mine anyways

[@Robocoppat]

Plus helmet if you have one. Also bring rain gear cause test is conducted rain or shine. MOST IMPORTANTLY, DONT FORGET TO BRING A LUNCH!

[@kawboy216]

hahaha I was happy to see it was that guy. He was acting like the coolest thing in the world the whole time he was on video.

[@ownerfate]

When i took the course 3 weeks ago, no one dropped the bikes, but i found out: *Here are a list of DON'Ts that can lead to a failed MSF course, for the final test:* - Stalling 3 times = Fail - Dropping the bike = Fail - running over the coach = Hella Insta Fail - not following directions - going over the lines ( Adds up to so many points ) - going over the cones ( Adds up to so many points ) - and other things. but yeah as Keith said, if it happens to drop during the training sections/stagings, it should not be an auto fail.

[@ownerfate]

-- And actually looking at the video, the instructor was joking. You'll also notice how none of the bikes have mirrors, or in some cases, turn signals (Bar the headlight) -- It's mainly for that reason at: 2:30 -- and his kickstand gave way ( either didn't have it out all they way or the bike rolled it closed.

[@boobtoob113321]

if you are taking the MSF course before you have a motorcycle license or a motorcycle do they provide a bike for you to use?

[@daveco1270]

He failed the class because of that? I remember when I first got my bike back in college, I rolled up in front of the building where my class was, people were milling about, including the girl I had a crush on. I thought I was so cool on my new motorcycle with my leather jacket on. I went to park the bike and I dropped it. Then I couldn't pick it up without some jock coming over to help me. So embarrassing. I had no idea how heavy the bike was, once it started leaning over, I couldn't hold it up. I'm almost got my leg caught under it.

[@LikedGecko315]

Dave7777 Oh.. okay..

[@rushfanjames2112]

It would be the same as taking a car driving test and not putting it in park when you get out. Attention to detail....

[@rushfanjames2112]

+SubaruWRXtreme In park. not sure about nowadays but I took my test ( back in 85 ) with an automatic. Learned to drive a manual about a year after.

[@rushfanjames2112]

+SubaruWRXtreme What country do you live in? I agree, our tests for cars and motorcycles is pretty easy, which explains why we have terrible drivers and riders. I could've passed my motorcycle test with my eyes closed and .8 blood alcohol level. :)

[@OriginalPancakes1]

+CRF Rider to be fair, he did put down the stand just not all the way

[@rushfanjames2112]

OriginalPancakes1 Agree...but just like with your own bike, make sure. Wouldn't have failed him though.

[@sevenrats]

No that would be very different. A car could kill someone. The bike just falls down.

[@twindragonslegend]

I always enjoy watching videos like these and trying to figure out which person is going to fail

[@sawyerramos3113]

im confused, do i walk away from this curse with a license? or this is just a class?

[@Dusty_Moonpie]

I once dropped a bike during a class, but have never failed one. It was the funniest drop, and I wish I had it on video so everyone could laugh as hard as I did. I had been riding for about 12 years at the time and had taken more classes then I can count (I take a class from time to time just for fun or a refresher) I was putting the side stand down on my brand new GSXR 1000 and my foot slipped off, then got stuck between the stand and the foot peg. LMAO, it was so funny.

[@Ozzman6661]

Just passed my MSF course yesterday! :D

[@user-ii5fx1jf5j]

Passed mine today, congrats!

[@runecraft356]

When ur in 2nd gear trying to shift to first do u hold the clutch in the whole time to shift to first or do hit the clutch to get to first?

[@rdavis0521]

Where was this video taken. Looks vaguely like the OCC campus in Orange County, CA?

[@AngryWeirdo]

video starts at 2:29 the rest is just garbage

[@Doogerauoy]

My msf course was a sausage fest. Not one girl. :/

[@Dismal626]

+Doogeruoy Sihtdaer Mine was 3 girls and 2 guys.

[@Ro6entX]

+Dismal626 I had about 14 people the first day, and only about 10 on the day of the riding. We had three girls; One hot Asian, who was probably in her 20s, one older, and one whom I pretty sure was a lesbian.

[@ElementofKindness]

+Doogeruoy Sihtdaer There were four in mine . . . . well . . . three for sure. The forth I was pretty sure was one, but could have gone either way. :-)

[@ScotianBlooded]

Mine just had me like 4 dudes and 1 old lady

[@closedeyz]

It's not somewhere to go pick up chicks if that's what you're frowning for.

[@redpunk]

The first time I did MSF I got kicked out for not knowing how to ride a motorcycle. The instructor complained that I was going to slow down the rest of the class, who had all been riding for years already and just needed the course as a legal nicety. Then I went to another location and the coaches couldn't figure out why I was so damned nervous

[@dantekania7212]

Man. I dropped the bike I was using too. Thought I had it in neutral and was trying to back it up to park. Instructor simply called everyone over, and said “ok, now we can show you all how to properly pick a bike up without throwing your back out” gave me instructions on where to position myself, and I picked the bike up. Instructor then asked if anyone else wanted to try. One lady did, and he laid the bike back down so she could try. After she lifted it, he gave it a once over, saw everything was fine but the clutch lever. Walked over to the sea can, quickly swapped the lever, and we went about our day. This guy is Jerk instructor, and most are not like this. My instructor’s let people who failed come back the next weekend just for the testing portion and retest for free. They also would give FREE 1 on 1 or even 2 instructors - 1 student lessons on a weeknight if you wanted to work on something in particular. If your instructor isn’t making you feel like you are becoming a member of a welcoming community, find a new instructor

[@jjohnson9009]

Yeah I'll just kick that kickstand out all willy nilly without setting it... I wore my Fox shirt, so I know it'll work!

[@mwolfman321]

Now that would suck! If he dropped or downed the bike on one of the drills then okay I know it's an instant fail. However to drop it when getting off because of a "Mistake" when putting down the kickstand is crazy. That has nothing to do with "Are you capable of operating a bike in manuevering and riding at slow speeds, turning etc. That's a case of "DAM" I just dropped my bike. Generally if you take the initative to take the safety course, I'd think that drop shouldn't matter, being he gave the effort to learn the proper safety rules/riding through a course, opposed to just taking it at the DMV with no training.

[@bloodpuremager]

WOLFMAN I disagree. It's a strong lesson to be learned. Yes, it seems harsh. But lets say he owns a fairly expensive motorcycle. Learning the tough lesson in a $150 course could save him 1,000's and potentially putting himself in a position where his bike becomes inoperable because of the fall. I do not agree with an A for effort approach. You can either do it, or you cant. The course is designed to save you money, scars, and grief. I fully expect and hope someone who damaged a bike in any manner should fail, not because it costs them money, but because of the lesson learned. lessons are sometimes expensive, but it's better they be expensive than REALLY expensive.

[@mwolfman321]

Sean Petersen I don't agree with A for effort either.(I know I didn't clarify as what I meant) I've never got a pass for just trying rather if it's a riding/driving test or a test/demonstration at a school or work setting. I just don't see if he did all the other parts of the test with no problems(Unless he did have problems) then getting off the bike and not be familiar with that particular bike and not having the kickstand locked, shouldn't be a reason to get a complete fail. If they allowed you to use your own bike and that was the case then he should be familar with it (Generally). After all it is a bike you are riding for the first time in some cases. I mean to not ensure its going to stand on its own when getting off is a very novice move, as I was always cautious of that when I first started riding; I can't agree with be extra careful. I'd say lose some points possibly but if those negative points still allow you to get a passing score from the other parts of the test, then he shouldn't have gotten an automatic fail.(Of course this is my opinion)

[@markstephensixtynine]

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[@theguy1224]

WOLF You have some valid points but it's not soo much that it was the kickstand part (which is just as important as on bike riding) but from the very beginning his mind looked to be somewhere else. He didn't look focus. His whole body was loose for gods sake. Like he was made of jello. I think dropping the bike at the end of the test, should count as a fail because it shouldn't matter if you did the skills test correct, you can't just lose all other focus after it. What happens if someone was walking by and the bike dropped on that person/kid. Or what happened if somehow the bike dropped onto another bike, and created a dominio effect? I know it's a bit farfetched but in the real world, ANYTHING can happen. Hell he could have parked his bike by the sidewalk, not paying attention and it could have fallen just as a car is passing by. Not only does it suck dropping the car because of an incorrect standing but some people really can't pick the bike back up (depending on bike/person). Obviously during an accident god forbid people usually help but if you're out alone, dropping it is totally preventable and stupid if you drop your bike this way. Putting the kickstand should be embedded in your brain even before the MSF course. Some people don't even remember certain subtle things that were taught during the course they just focus only on the riding. There's more to it than that. I double and triple check my kickstand before i get off. Then gracefully dismount and make sure the bike is steady before i lose sight of it.

[@mwolfman321]

theguy1224 Yeah I hear Ya, I always do to and to be honest when I took my MSC, That ran through my mind is to make sure that the kickstand was in fact locked in place and I would even rock it a little just to be sure when we got off for the next tutorial. Of course that was being new to motorycycles and it's just routine now and I don't sweat it as much.

[@OuterHeavenNET]

So are these the bikes they chose or where they provided?

[@FUZZEYMONKEY]

Do they supply everything for the course? Bike and all?

[@ScooterDano]

10 seconds in and you can tell who's going to drop it. Guy wasn't paying attention to anything going on.

[@dolphinligh13]

I just completed my MFS course this weekend and thats exactly what happened to me only I had my back to the bike it scraped side of my thigh and back of my calf my bruises look narly lol but a big lesson learned with kickstand and setting down properly and i still passed the course im stoked!

[@evilpie8130]

Is this test easy and is it a requirement?

[@DoWorkNP]

That was the first thing our instructor thought us when we started the riding part of the class. Making sure your kickstand is full extended.

[@piNNoyLA]

Lol maybe they watched this vid. I didn't know it had over 400k views now. Ride safe

[@coreyroca4295]

How the fuck do you drop a bike that is 2 feet off the ground

[@qj877]

Lmao that bike was a featherweight too.

[@ElementofKindness]

20 seconds in, I was already guessing it was going to be the guy in yellow. Sure enough. I was never an instructor for motorcycles, but I was for ultralight aircraft, and you can just tell which students are going to do good or bad pretty early on. Body language speaks volumes.

[@speacialperson12345]

When I took mine the instructors said if the bike is dropped any time prior to the evaluation then it's fine they just need to fill out an accident report, etc but during final evaluation if you drop it then it's a fail

[@vos72]

Doing my MSF BRC next weekend (Sep 2-3) in Plympton MA. Can't wait. Doing it with a buddy of mine, so should be lots of fun. I took the 1 on 1 2-hour introductory thing which I think helped a lot. The coach there was absolutely fantastic and extremely friendly and helpful. It was serious, but fun, and he helped out a lot by correcting bad habits immediately. eCourse wasn't so bad either. Ready to do this! Next, I just need to find myself an awesome bike!

[@floridaredneck]

I didn't know there was an introductory thing; never heard of that. So, how did your class go?

[@raso_i]

@@floridaredneck in FL if you take msf, theres an eCourse that takes about 5h to complete, just a lot of non skipable video and a test at the end of each chapter, than you will have 2 days with motorcycle at the range.

[@floridaredneck]

Yeah, I have my endorsement from earlier in the month and was just commenting that I didn’t know there was a1-2 hour introductory thing. I was also wondering how your class went. I'm a returning rider from decades ago, but never had taken a class till now. In mine, only one girl dropped her bike, but that was early on. Our instructor was sneaky and gave us our road test without telling us. When we parked, he said, “Congratulations, you all passed”. What he had done was minimized our anxiety by testing us and we didn’t know it. I’ve found people here on YT are very supportive to new and experienced riders. I also found that not to be the case on Quora and Reddit in particular. People were posting photos of their gear they got for Christmas and their bikes. So, I posted a photo of my new gear too. I was socked at the number of insults and condescending comments I got, but my jacket wasn't Dainese and my helmet wasn't Atlas. Still, I didn’t expect to get “hazed” after my MSF class. I posted, “Happy Holidays, Be Safe & Wear Your Gear” with a photo of me in my gear. One woman said, “You’re not my mother, don’t tell me what to do”. One guy said, “New rider obviously, that jacket is going to rip to shreds on your first slide”. My response was, “Yes, I am new, did people bully you when you got your fist gear too?” There were so many like it, that I deleted my photo and all of my posts under the “motorcycle” section, “un-joined” the group and changed my profile to remove anything about motorcycles. I felt I was being attacked and still can’t figure out why. I didn’t expect that. I thought I was joining a group of people who relate and are friendly with each other. I had thought as long as people are being born, that there would be new riders and the experienced ones would share their knowledge with newer ones. I thought I would make new friends and meet up for rides sometimes and participate in bike events. I had shopped for bikes for months and basically breathed bikes during that time. I got financing and picked out a bike, but having been bullied and shamed for being new, I’m losing interest. I hope that doesn’t last, but if it does, it was a great experience. The good thing is, I have a lot of new gear now, but I might not need it. I’ll have quite a bit of money going forward that I had intended on spending on a bike, so that’s a good thing. Bad thing is I’m over 60, so I knew if I did not do this now, I never will. If people are going to make me feel bad after a $10,000 investment, I should take up a new hobby. I had a completely different idea of motorcycle riders from when I used to ride 40 years ago. People weren't judgemental then. @@raso_i

[@brianhoppenrath8379]

That’s what it is in Minnesota also. Listen to coaches, relax, if you can ride a bicycle, you can ride a motorcycle. Listen and have fun. Another thing, eyes up and turn your head to look where you going and it will all work.

[@vos72]

@@floridaredneck Totally amazing! Loved it! The two-day class went well, and I passed with flying colors! Got my 1st bike in mid-September, and was able to ride for at least a month and 1/2 before putting the bike in hybernation for the winter. I absolutely love it. Plan on taking BRC2 in the summer sometime!

[@Philios2Glory1]

I'm pretty sure the instructor is joking.

[@lipman19]

mine wasnt we had a kid drop a bike during my msf and he failed the guy, said because he damaged the instructors bike the money he spent on the msf course was going to repair the damages

[@gry8ruth]

Ya same in my class, you drop it on test day you fail.

[@lmdetect]

No joke. That's an automatic fail. Wether it happens at the beginning of class or the end.

[@edwardjonez6615]

I took the course last year to sharpen my skills. I am nearly 70 and have been riding since 1962. BTW over 640,000 km without an accident. The instructor had about 4000 miles total riding experience. He didn't teach several important bits of information every rider should have and was not a good rider himself. Playing "watch me" and "follow the leader" around a parking lot course is fine for about the first hour. Nothing beats learning one on one from a buddy with good skills and no bad habits. Waste of money. IMHO

[@dagaines152]

I just recently failed the riding evaluation. One piece of advice I would give is to find the friction zone and be able to absolutely control the speed of the bike BEFORE the MSF course. Be able to control speed by feathering the clutch, even if only in a straight line. Thank me later.

[@tinapham202]

Most people don’t have bikes to practice the throttle control before the course and it’s almost like a crash course being only 2 days. That’s kinda a little too quick for some people to develop the dexterity. And it okay to not have it down after two days especially if you switch bikes, just maintain control of the bike. I had trouble with throttle control and stalling the bike off stops too. So I switched from a Honda cb 125cc to rebel 300 on my second day and I was able to pass. Don’t be afraid to try different bikes during the course.

[@dagaines152]

@@tinapham202 Good point, wish I had done that, as the friction point in the bike I had was activated where the lever was almost all the way out, making it even more difficult when the lever was on the tips of the ffingers

[@brianhoppenrath8379]

Doesn’t matter how much throttle you use if you know how to use the friction zone

[@bikingwithstanley2534]

Where is this what state and city. I took 4 Msf classes. I had drop the bike twice. It’s hard to pass the road at motorcycle school

[@TheBloodsunday]

It's not a fail btw,

[@michaelpastine4807]

not isn't a fail because it didn't happen DURING the evaluation. Also, it wasn't dropped the side stand malfunctioned... 8-) I would never fail someone for that. I have seen it happen in my class.

[@TTopTABandit-lc9mc]

I don't see how 90% of new riders ever pass any of these classes and get there M class license over how they will fail you over the least little mistake!!!! I never could pass the stupid thing so I said hell with it I've rode bikes for years with no license and never had one mishap on the road but can't pass these stupid tests to get a license!!!!

[@piNNoyLA]

yep, that's exactly what happened. I always give my kick stand a tap or 2 just to make sure it's fully extended

[@thebige8428]

I think he only dropped the bike because of an improper headlight fluid to reverse lever mixture

[@lazarevic95]

Correct

[@austinaustile9444]

I agree XD

[@1WORLDLIFE]

that'll make that doohicky stick every time....next thing you know...youre on the floor...

[@randinmotion6622]

No, no, The automatic kickstand deployer was broken! Defective flux capacitor.

[@forcedentry2010]

Of course. Who wouldn't?

[@michael-mv3de]

Gotta love the instructor..."hey! there's a fail" I probably would of got on my bike and rode off.

[@losojosdehotspanish2162]

I don't think those are there personal bikes

[@michael-mv3de]

Mc Rayas oh I know 😉 just going with the quickest exit strategy

[@jmplaysxb1952]

How long is this course?

[@arcanum70]

At the one where I live in Vermont, they supply bike and helmet (you can use your own helmet if you have one), you supply everything else...gloves, eye protection, long sleeve shirt or jacket.

[@JerJax]

Imagine that. It was the douche in the Fox Racing tee that dropped the bike... lol

[@ruddin1122]

he's like " heyyy here's a fail " lol

[@markman090]

my instructors made it real clear if you dropped the bike at any time during the test, you failed instantly. The test wasn't over until you completely dismounted at the end with the kickstand funny engaged

[@opmike343]

He didn't have the side stand fully extended. This has happened to me before, and it's one reason I always give the stand a couple of taps with my boot to make sure it's fully forward.

[@Acc0rd79]

drop at 2:22

[@JoshuaDomoslai]

I took one of these classes with a friend who never had ridden so he would have a friend to be with. I've had 13 years of riding and racing experience so I'm not really a noob on how to ride a bike. The bikes at the location I went to were in extremely poor shape. The bike I hopped on was a Yamaha dual sport like the ones in the vid. The clutch lever was all f'ed off and the shifter seemed to be bent/stripped out and wouldn't go into gear. The instructors were bitching at me and talking shot in front of the whole class how I just don't know how to properly use the clutch. (Never apologized after the bike was actually broke and they had to go park it) Then they lectured me how I'm not aloud to use 2 fingers on the clutch/brake lever and it's safer to use 4. Overall just a bunch of clowns with a fleet of beat ass bikes talking shit on younger people to make them feel superior. You would probably learn more going out to learn to ride with a friend or family member who's experienced

[@nikomak9979]

+Ads so if you have your permit any experienced person could teach you?

[@SabbaticusRex]

I was a driving instructor for a little over 2 years, and took the MSF course. You basically just described 99% of driving instructors, and why I was embarrassed to call myself one of them, and no longer am one of them.. They are usually the most conceited, self-aggrandizing pricks on the planet.. The guys I worked with, especially my boss would constantly belittle me for not taking advantage of the students, "Why charge them for 10 hours, when you can scare them about not being ready and charge them for 30 hours..." Disgusting, and even worse stuff happened.

[@nikomak9979]

+DMMcGregor my driving instructor was a guy from Uganda who was a one man business he was great and taught me a lot.

[@Zubberbilly]

chip off yer shoulder m8? 4 fingers for noobies is fine.

[@Zubberbilly]

chip off yer shoulder m8? 4 fingers for noobies is fine.

[@ez12a]

I just finished my first riding session today, it was a lot of fun!

[@theshapex]

Something similar happened when we were taking the final test and a girl dropped her scooter after parking it, but she did not fail. Everyone just came to the rescue and put her scooter back up.

[@Ro6entX]

I don't agree with that being a fail. But dang, what a booty at 2:56 -3:04

[@Ro6entX]

+iTheGeek lol I wont doubt that

[@369lalala]

+iTheGeek amen to that!!!

[@17456spartan]

Lmao are you joking?

[@glen692]

got those Spanish woman hips

[@Cruz474]

There must not be any high quality booty in your area.

[@piNNoyLA]

Two attempts were included in the price, I'm sure he passed the 2nd time. His sister passed in this video...ouch ego.

[@ringhunter1006]

what does a person do who failed do you haft to do it all again the four hour e course and the test PLUS full price ???help

[@Mark-sn6kh]

This course is designed for riders who have zero knowledge of motorcycles. If the only thing you know is that motorcycles have two wheels, then it's for you. Some states however, like Texas, require the class for all riders in order to get your motorcycle endorsement on your license.

[@calcrappie8507]

Guy in yellow was bad from the very beginning. Half-assin it. Too cool. Twisted around BS'n with his buddy. Not focused. You could totally predict who would dump their bike.

[@addisonroberts7076]

That coarse looks really poor compared to the ones we have here in florida. They are not in a parking lot but a actual driving coarse. The guys an ass and I would of fought to have the video reviewed. That stand was flimsy and really pissed me off how the instructor handled it. Im not ever the guy who failed and it pisses me off.

[@Smokey0791]

coarse describes sandpaper...course describes what you see in the video. Read a book for once in your life...

[@addisonroberts7076]

You should probably edit your comment so you don't look like a dumbass who can't capitalize your shit properly.

[@Ro6entX]

I remember taking this course long time ago. Looks like full face helmet is allowed but not back then. I don't remember how many were in the class but one guy was kicked out for safety reasons, and I nearly did because I misunderstood what line to go to to commence figure 8/yielding.

[@ArmsDealer06]

I would just like to add that you probably have been lucky. I wish you the best.

[@docstruthers]

old pos bikes they use....looked like the kickstand had a malfunction.

[@betjoh]

Actually based on cone configuration it looks to be the end of day one. Also the dropping of a bike is not automatic fail class. The instructor is just pulling the guys leg.

[@11Irishlass]

When instructor told me I passed the course I was so excited I climbed off the bike and dropped it. He just chuckled. As my instructor said " better the schools bikes than my own personal bike"

[@badnicc]

BrEnNo1023 Actually it looks like he didn't put the kickstand all the way out. It stands perfectly when he picks it up and does it right.

[@cocoy_maks]

Is this in Costa Mesa??

[@Mrainey83]

Same thing happened in my class the lady was getting back in line and dropped the bike. She only had two more to do.

[@shiftlofi]

I took my MSF at a Honda Center in Southern California and there was no such stipulation about dropping the bike. Of course not during the test, but either before or after would not matter. The guys at the Honda MSF were great and said that's what the class is for. Even if you failed, they let you come back for an extra day or two for free so you can learn and be confident and pass. Only one girl in my class failed after multiple attempts and they let her come back. I do not think this instructor failed him but if he did that sucks.

[@virginiasfavoritestoner4131]

My local community college in VA does BRC and it saids on the website that if you complete the BRC that you are exempt from the riding portion and writing portion at the DMV. Does that mean after I complete it I can just go to the DMV and get my licence?

[@shiftlofi]

No, I do not think that is entirely correct. You are exempt from the riding portion of he test, but you still must take the written exam for both motorcycles and cars. Although, those are fairly easy. And you should definitely take MSF. You can drop their bikes, and get comfortable and confident before getting on your first baby. I dropped mine the day I got her and I don't think that would have happened if I had taken MSF prior to sitting on that bike.

[@virginiasfavoritestoner4131]

***** Is BRC the same as MSF?

[@virginiasfavoritestoner4131]

Thank you so much!!

[@shogunvsamurai3523]

HelloMrTaylor I believe it depends more on where you live. Here in NC, you still have to take the written portion if you have not already done so in obtaining your motorcycle permit. The written portion for cars is only if you have not previously obtained your drivers license before getting your endorsement (in NC).

[@SamP0rterBridges]

Makes me miss the tw200 I learned to ride on 16 years ago.

[@XxSVBKxX]

It looks like he put kickstand most of the way thinking it was all the way down, when in fact it wasn't enough to hold the bike up.

[@Alpha_Hunter9]

I had a guy like this in my class this weekend only difference with him is he kept honking the horn and reving the bike like there was no tomorrow

[@DaveWuzHere]

Why do they have to push the bike in neutral?

[@douglasboyd8475]

Instructor “Hey there’s a fail!” Make the poor guy feel like an idiot!