End of Rationality: The politics of mental pathology

[@ednalama4244]

Thank you Jonathan Lemire and Dr Bandi Lee, this discussion and the clarity of looking at the facts is soo important! Please continue these discussions and bring them to platforms like MSNBC. please help the people to access this information and wake up!

[@nancybartley4610]

These are not facts; they are opinions. Most are taken out of context. She considers an authority on someone she has never treated. She is breaking one of the most foundational components of our government: we are innocent until proven guilty. Trump told the protesters on Jan. 6 to exercise peacefully they political right to protest. Instead she choses to mindread, one of the tendencies of many mentally unhealthy people. Instead of seeing he calmed Korean down, she sees him as almost causing a nuclear war. He prevented a nuclear war. Are these people who diagnosis from a distance also deeply studying Obama, Hilary and Bill, Nancy Pelosi, etc. Fair is fair. Who is President now because any rational person has to doubt Biden is? Most of our leaders may well be narcissists. Trump has his faults, but me thinks you protest too much.

[@luckystoller6171]

As an attorney and Constitutional scholar I support Dr. Lee's legal obligation to warn citizens and the voting public of a danger she recognizes under the Tarasoff doctrine. She is a gift to us and we need to listen and honor her.

[@no1nderwhy]

Yes, the initial concern brought to Washington, was not political, yet obviously would effect a politician. The concern, a public health emergency. 06/2024 Dr.Bandy Lee warning was diverted and suppressed, initially by Allan Dershowitz complaint to Yale University followed by the APA, resulting in advancing a campaign against democracy. At the time, it was considered hyperbolic that our entire judicial system and government was the target. Over the past few years, Europe and members of NATO have begun to reorganize their security planning without America support. They feel they have plan realistically, given the impact trump and the Republican/Maga has had globally. Fiona Hill has participated in the think tanks. They don't exclude America and will protect America, but are not safe to rely on us, their geological proximity to Putin, what they feel they are addressing is, coordinating of a reorganization of a new world order. The key is to protect democracy. So, Dr.Bandy X Lee, What she perceived as a public emergency, was an extremely spot on and remarkably accurate call.

[@no1nderwhy]

@@kimbee5792 violence, violence is the concern.

[@bryanschmutz466]

Dr. Lee amazes me....... so smart, so logical, makes so much sense.

[@CharleneDohanh]

Let’s make Dr. Lee’s message go extremely viral. It needs to reach every American. To protect everyone in America and place people’s wellbeing over profits and media clicks.

[@CharleneDohanh]

Every American needs to see this video. It needs to be played over and over and referenced by other channels.

[@DaniJo191]

Americans are not very bright.

[@lagraphiste8705]

Put her on MSNBC fast!!!! Time is running out!

[@rosek.5531]

She's been trying for years to get on the major news networks but none will put her on. I think I seen that interview on Anthony Davis podcast.

[@CharleneDohanh]

The public has not accepted exclusion of mental experts. We have just forgotten when we did not realize that it was forced out. We wholeheartedly welcome it back, now recognizing mental experts are missing.

[@johana-p1j]

Dr. Lee is national treasure. BIG support from Europe dr. Lee !! Welcome in Croatia, my respect ♥🌹

[@Diaz.et.Pam.]

Thank you Dr. Lee and Jonathan Lemire.

[@sektekultovi]

Dr. Lee is like NATIONAL GUARD!! GOD BLESS YOU DR. LEE

[@LisaFladager]

Mental health professional here. This is excellent. Thank you.

[@CharleneDohanh]

We are grateful to Dr. Lee for continuing to speak up. Thank you!!!

[@gb3729]

I hope the APA will be held accountable for ending our democracy.

[@9000ck]

The APA are not held accountable for anything. The overuse of psychotropics in the US is a scandal.

[@Xaxtarr_Neonraven]

The APA and Psychiatry in general has built a citadel like all citadels, a priesthood, if you will, that assumes all knowledge unto itself. The APA should be about education. Paraphrasing Erich Fromm, the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know. "Why should society feel responsible only for the education of children, and not for the education of all adults of every age?"

[@no1nderwhy]

Allan dershowitz trumps lawyer, also Yale alma matter, made the complaint about Dr.Bandy X Lee which was the beginning of Publicly Maga counter attack upon Dr.BandyX Lee. Yale University and APA failure to support a call to protect society, is paramount to our current battle to protect democracy. Would we not be concerned, should the same influencers and coordinators who abducted patty hearst, were to overtake a political party base. Yet, even more effectively,all of those tactics enhanced with current technology, Successfully have done so, with further collateral damage to extended parts of society, families,non political people the list goes on.

[@Lou_Mansfield]

The supreme court gave presidential immunity to Trump for "official acts". bye bye democracy

[@boxcopper]

So briljant. I always learn a lot from dr. Lee. Thank you again.I'm a psychiatrical nurse in The Netherlans.

[@veraorthlieb]

I appreciate you both. Thank you, Bandy and Jonathan.

[@ivanasimic2072]

I would be honored to have Dr. Lee as a mentor, we need people like that over here in europe

[@theresestcoeur5381]

JONATHAN LEMIRE !❤ THANK YOU FOR HAVING DR. LEE .SUPER!❣️🇨🇦💙💙💙.

[@no1nderwhy]

Tyvm for this excellent discussion. Tyvm Dr.Bandy X Lee for your expertise, as a society, we are very fortunate, you have stood tall and continue with this message of anti violence.

[@phylis3917]

Trashing John McCain gave us the creeps. That’s when we KNEW. A lurking cruelty and hidden pathology just from vibes. 🧘🏿🔮

[@aloha4utube]

Thank you for this program. I have watched quite a few shows with Dr. Bandy Lee and others and this is so informative. Knowing there are people like Dr. Lee and Michael Lemire working on educating us about this political violence risk has really helped me to reduce my anxiety. Some very good tips here for what I can do too.

[@4343DEB]

A most interesting, important discussion. I hope that this is broadcast more widely so that people can be better informed on the serious issues that were raised. I have been curious, since 2016, about how millions of people can be "hypnotised" to the point where many of them sound totally deranged and delusional. If I had the opportunity, I would ask "what effect, if any, might the calm, tranquil music and the deliberate change in Trump's voice where he speaks in a soft, almost monotone voice at a particular point in his rallies, might have on the people in the crowd?" I've heard this a couple of times and it sounds creepy, deliberate and manipulative. I am so glad that I chanced upon this interview; thank you.

[@crazysailr]

Indeed! Trump is a self taught hypnotist of considerable skill. Did you know used to keep an English translation of all of the speeches of Adolph Hitler at his bedside? Trump uses many of the tools of mass communication to remarkably good effect. Yes he’s a complete tool, but he certainly knows how a thing or two about how to capture a crowd.

[@barefootmum]

Thank you for speaking out

[@ivanasimic2072]

Wonderful women, she is real expert

[@beefandbarley]

Thanks for sharing this. 💙

[@grhope]

Brilliantly informative, but a great pity so few views and likes

[@elaineburnett5230]

Please share where you can and ask other people to share.

[@dianewhalen9721]

Man oh man .Your interview should be on all the networks.Tic Toc Instragam!

[@annabelfaulkner]

I am posting this on Threads but t someone with a lot of followers would be better. The need has now become extremely urgent.

[@subobing3551]

Thank you so much for this vitally important talk ! I will be sharing this!

[@iggy711]

I don’t get it. Dr. Lee is right in front of us, with expertise that given a larger platform and acknowledgement by a media that features celebrities rather than career experts is so frustrating. We, the public have no idea what is happening behind scenes to prevent Dr. Lee’s voice from being heard. Dr. Fauci is a true go to with his history and respect in the area of infectious disease. I would say Dr. Lee is the equivalent in her field. I watch MSNBC and Nicolle Wallace, Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid, Ali Velshi and Lawrence O’Donnell are my go to’s. NW recently ended a segment, almost as an afterthought with a comment that she could use an expert in mental health. Who does MSNBC turn to? George Conway (lawyer) and Mary Trump (trained psychologist and family member). Both are important worth their backgrounds and experience, but they cannot replace Dr. Lee and her colleagues whose sole purpose is to address the dangerous decline of our society’s public health!!! Get her out there for more people to hear! Please!

[@nicknaque2261]

I believe the people who are most in need of this information will only listen to white males, shouting and cursing with raised fists...I might be wrong, but I don't think I am.

[@witherbossbros1157]

Being on MSNBC would be like singing to the choir. Her knowledge is extraordinary, matched or surpassed by her courage and patriotism.

[@Rnankn]

It seems to be another manifestation of an epistemic crisis. The success of the modern world is based on disciplinarity, specialization and professional siloization. By requiring knowledge and practice ‘stick to its lane’, wider consequences and a holistic perspective are silenced. It is why psychological pathology can remain undiagnosed in political leaders, why atmospheric pollution is an environmental, but not economic issue. Etc.

[@TurtleKitty-357]

What a FANTASTIC episode, wow!!!! Thank you so much, both of you.

[@witwisniewski2280]

Does this discussion imply that this nation has some ~100million narcissistically wounded citizens who need a cult leader to nurse their sense of self worth? That would be our number one treat to national security.

[@witherbossbros1157]

At least 71m proved, with I fear an even greater proved number in November.

[@thomaswarren7831]

Yep. That’s why fascism is not a political ideology but a public mental health crisis

[@susanyu6507]

Thank you for this enlightening presentation by both Jonathan and Bandy. It kinds of ties everything together as to what we've all seen, lived through, these past few years.

[@klir2m]

Hopefully he can help her get back on MSM.

[@TurtleKitty-357]

I had not seen this particular interview when it first aired, and of course when this aired Biden was still running for reelection. It would be equally interesting to see her comments and thoughts in relation to the dangers of trump as he is now facing a very formidable opponent in Kamala Harris. Equally relevant is the focus on the dangers we may face if (or actually when) he would face a loss to her. Also important is to hear the dangers she may site from trump’s base or worse, members of our Gov’t who may share trump’s pathology as it relates to malignant narcissism.

[@sueauclair8704]

Excellent discussion and so needed.

[@rochcarothers-ts3jx]

Obliged--in civil society -- to warn of ANY danger:fire,gun,thief,danger, rape,murder, flood,avalanche,etc.#2,anyone can observe,no diagnosis needed:)

[@karenwarner3343]

Candidates should submit a mental fitness test with the required number of signatures when they apply to be on a state primary.

[@elaineburnett5230]

We definitely need a screening process for candidates wanting to be a public servant.

[@witwisniewski2280]

Education is key, but its failure is that psychologist/psychiatrists have not taught us how to protect our own minds. We clearly have "back doors" to our minds that can be used by sick and nefarious individuals to victimize us. We need to learn how to detect and defend our own minds from attack.

[@witherbossbros1157]

They're not funded to do such work. Can you imagine the degree of distrust if they were, given their delusional belief in a "deep state?"

[@markg.7865]

Let's not forget all help Chump gets from right-wing media to spread his lies.

[@witherbossbros1157]

They actually created maga. trump just gave them permission to publicly express what conservative media had shaped their minds to think.

[@mint5221]

Thanks, Dr. Lee and Jonathan. This and MANY more discussions with Dr. Lee and her fellow experts are crucial informative truths that the American public ought to be receiving throughout the days and nights on mainstream TV on CNN, MSNBC, and other channels. We should not continue to accept that we all deserve to be burdened with putting up with this pathology rather than being offered the truth.

[@subobing3551]

I wish she was on at least once a week on every channel!

[@loridyer3625]

👏 👏 👏 👏

[@sektekultovi]

SHE MUST WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE AS EXPERT

[@Xaxtarr_Neonraven]

Education is always a good thing. Repression of education not so much. Often, healing requires education. Somewhere, we've lost the connection. Psychiatry was never a priesthood, but all too many fields of endeavor have become priesthoods. People are capable of understanding and it does absolutely no one any good to withhold knowledge for political reasons. When healers become priests who hold the power and the sacred knowledge, health becomes nothing more than a power game.

[@thomaswarren7831]

Science denial is a key tenet of fascism. Eg we got the bomb bc hitler denounced ‘Jewish’ science

[@pjsvenska3338]

With climate change and social collapse, I'm afraid people will feel even more "forgotten" and in even greater numbers seek "strong leaders"

[@thomaswarren7831]

Yep. Capitalism without socialism always ends in fascism which is always a death cult led by psychopaths

[@myralhf]

We are social animals. Someone is manipulating to his own end. Listen to Banden Lee, truth be spoken hear...! He is a danger to everything he touches...

[@KatyYoder-cq1kc]

Yes however there is severe dysfunction on both sides fostering and fueling polarization across the world.

[@phylis3917]

Manipulating to his own end.

[@kaseykalnasy7359]

Thank you for this excellent discussion. All my questions around how in the world anyone, including some of my beloved family members, would vote for mega were answered. Now it all makes sense: Mental illness that is contagious.

[@joesandbank3645]

Imagine a Trumper sitting through even two minutes of this rational thought…

[@no1nderwhy]

You can see in this thread how they respond. Denile,counter attack. No rational discussion. Take a look

[@no1nderwhy]

They are here, look at the comments.

[@witherbossbros1157]

If you read some of the comments you'll see they can't. They don't want to hear the truth.

[@elaineburnett5230]

It could happen....😮😅😊

[@thomasjones7115]

Dr. Lee’s expertise explains in detail the psychopathic dynamic between trump and his followers at the expense of rationality they do not possess ….

[@deborahdean8867]

Total bullshit. Shes making money on your trump derangement syndrome. You people have the mental problem, trust me.

[@stardancer8315]

Thank you - great interview.

[@tomgraves6463]

Its definitely a pay attention moment in time.

[@witherbossbros1157]

This was a fantastic discussion with some very valuable information on the effectiveness of attempting to persuade trump followers with facts and reason (won't be successful).

[@stardancer8315]

She is right. It is up to everyone to acheive the desired outcome. Nobody has stood up to him on every level. It can't be one damaged man controlling an entire country. Yes, why hasn't anyone held jim as acoountable as anyone else. Yes, it has to be the understanding. Don't say it doesn't matter if he loses. That's you contributing to a bad situation. Of course, it will be better if he does.

[@sharonhearne5014]

Trump has a feral instinct toward control and power dominance as a unique kind of intelligence; however, he is not brilliant or well educated so those in his political support base such as Bannon, Manifort, Stone, Miller, etc., and have ushered Trump through the political process because he was already a known public figure who had glamor and name appeal that they could manipulate on the American political scene.

[@lexluthor9509]

His reputation was always as a grifter. When that many support a known grifter, we need to reevaluate what evolution actually is.

[@nicknaque2261]

You're absolutely correct.

[@stacylaetsch3672]

Hey, Jonathan...how about seeing if you can dig up any common relationships between the psychiatric association and people in congress and/or other branches of government who would have an interest in quashing Dr Lee speaking...there has to be someone in the higher ups stroking or being stroked to completely reverse (and gaslight) the situation.

[@teresahopemiller1008]

i watch you all the time on way too early and Morning joe I like Mika too. Im a big fan of Rachel and Lawrence O Donnell, I miss Chris Matthews as well. I pray for America . I am trying to get on the women empowerment thing that Mika does, Im a visually impaired college student with a Masters degree in the works for Psychology, as long as project 2025 doesn't happen I will become homeless and no food if Trump gets his way. I am advocating for myself and other persons with disabilities.I concur with Dr. Bandy completely Why has he not gotten admitted to a hospital being a national threat and to our society. The Gold water rule is the horrible thing invented. Personal accountability of therapists is to do no harm and to empathies. What happened to that? it is horrible that persons like her are banned. and even STeven Hassan. We are all ready under the thumb of the Trump Cult. I will continue to wear my childless cat lady tee shirts and Read banned book tees. i appriciate Al veshi for his banned book club. I wish I had the money to buy all banned books to preserve them. I am a avid bookworm myself.

[@SounduSleep]

Peopke who arent politically literate shouldnt be allowed to vote.

[@JonFrumTheFirst]

Lathered up with self-flattery. It's difficult to imagine how one could be so self-unaware..

[@alanwood3882]

31:49

[@DavidDJColeMan]

Arrest by military

[@JennyHenshaw-ut5jq]

😊

[@gbail9566]

Public mental health. Check out Modi in India. The parallels between Bibi and Trump are striking.

[@obi-wankenobi8462]

Color coding could save thousands of lives per year but nobody does it either

[@FullChick-h4l]

Harris Kenneth White Paul Taylor Anna

[@DavidDJColeMan]

You have to remove trump now he is not normal re elect a good person to take care USA

[@thomaswarren7831]

Lemire needs to read hitler’s speeches in English. It sounds just like trump

[@sunfluerdesigns]

I’d like to hear a similar interview on Kamala Harris. She certainly doesn’t present as a reasonable choice. We have no true choices which aren’t being addressed.

[@thomaswarren7831]

Kamala has a functioning Paralimbic system and psychopaths do not. If u can’t see trump is a psychopath then u r in a death cult. Learn what it means that Harris scores a 0 on the Hare PCL-R AND THEN POST

[@thomaswarren7831]

Trump scores a 40. Elon too. Hitler. Ted Bundy was a 39

[@smartiepancake]

Why does she have to read her remarks? And what does that suggest?

[@no1nderwhy]

It suggests that when humans get in front of cameras during interiews, it's helpful to watch the interview cues. Theres a little box to the side of the screen during zoom interviews. Some people will add their followers and see their comments. Some people just have the notes concerning the current interview. It's helpful when you can see how much time is left on the clock.

[@Diaz.et.Pam.]

It suggests nothing. What are you looking for?

[@witherbossbros1157]

It suggests she likes to be concise and efficient with her use of viewer's time.

[@LindaMoon-xq1qm]

It indicates that she is well organized and quite brilliant in her analysis of Donald Trump 😊

[@elaineburnett5230]

​@@LindaMoon-xq1qmThank you....

[@ysf-d9i]

So thinking that men can be women and women can be men is not the end of rationality? Thinking that the entire universe only consists of the oppressor and oppressed is not the end of rationality?

[@no1nderwhy]

There isn't a problem, until violence becomes an element. After that, I'm not sure of your point.

[@ysf-d9i]

@@no1nderwhy Who gave you the right to define violence as the only undesirable thing in the entire universe to avoid? Truth doesn't matter, goodness doesn't matter, as long as there's no "violence" (as defined by you), nothing else matters. Where is your proof?

[@witherbossbros1157]

Your comment has nothing to do with the topic of the video. Try to stay on topic.

[@ysf-d9i]

@@witherbossbros1157 If you can't understand the relevance, that's the limitations of your own cognitive abilities.

[@witherbossbros1157]

@@ysf-d9i No connection whatsoever. Just irrational confirmation bias.

[@dukecity7688]

We were safer with him in office than Joe Biden.

[@markg.7865]

No, that clown wanted to bomb Mexico, had to be talking out of it.

[@witherbossbros1157]

Truly you are deluding yourself.

[@nura1627]

​@@witherbossbros1157 Makes you wonder who this "we" is…

[@starsiegeRoks]

What "we" are you refering to? Because im not part of that.

[@LisaFenton-h7f]

R U a BOT or a TRUMP CULT-mermber?

[@JacksonHansen-r2h]

Forensic psychiatrist... lol. That title means absolutely nothing more then "grifter with legal standing".

[@seventone4039]

No Wonder why nobody takes her seriously. Fired by her University, outcasted by the APA, stuttering and a lot of unspecified claims without any legal basis. This unethical case is the best example why there are ethical rules in place and necessary.

[@beauthentic7493]

You have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Dr. LEE is a maverick. They always get high resistance. Educate yourself so that you don't continue being a Maga moron.

[@nicholettej1742]

Oh my.. you’re behind -

[@4343DEB]

I would respectfully disagree; her "claims" are not unspecified - she was very specific about examples to support her professional judgements. I'm not sure what you mean by "legal basis" - all that the Doctor discussed is either public knowledge or a psychiatric/ scientific/medical fact. Calling this "unethical" is, as is your comment that "nobody takes her seriously" simply a subjective personal perspective. My personal perspective is that this conversation is important and one that all people should have access to, in order to make their own informed opinion.

[@data7315]

​@@4343DEB So you think ethical rules doesn't matter? In this case she acts from the same, unethical perspective then Trump. Sorry, we don't need wannabe saviors which act to the same standards as the Gangsters himself, we need and deserve better, espacialy if there was already a case of missuse in the past, in the case of Senator Goldwater which was also running for the Office of the President of the United States to. The Rule is in effect for a very good reason. If you are not fine with it, reform it but do not simply ignore important safeguards for ethical behavior.

[@seventone4039]

@@4343DEB Facts? Where are the facts?? I see only Armchair TV diagnostics. More so, even in her own YT Channel streams her own friends told her she cannot be so sure about certain stuff. If you want to have legal action in place for psychological reasons you need water proof evidence. No fuzzy or warm feelings - REAL facts which can be used in a court of law. I can tell you Mrs. Lee wouldn't survive the first round with a Trump lawer, he would dismatle and eat her for breakfist in minutes, thats why nobody ask her for her "expertise".

[@onetwo19]

I've always found it comical how so many people believe Trump is somehow worse than other presidents. Trump is pretty awful but you have to know nothing about Bush, CLinton, Obama and Biden to believe that trump is somehow worse...

[@witherbossbros1157]

No, they were nothing like trump. No false equivalencies, thank you.

[@elaineburnett5230]

Pardon me....Helsinki, January 6th, Covid, military dead are losers, and Arlington Cemetery, Area 60....this is the short, short list of Trump's crimes and unpatriotic events.....

[@thomaswarren7831]

Trump is a psychopath. All the others were not. Fascism is a death cult always led by a psychopath. Congrats! You would have voted for hitler!