Ending the Debate: Why Superman is Definitively More Powerful Than Supergirl

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For years, there has been a debate among comics fans about whether Supergirl was as powerful, or maybe even more powerful than Superman. In this episode, we're ending the debate and closing the case by proving once and for all that Superman is definitively more powerful than Supergirl!
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[@mthandazosiziba7344]

I think it would have been a better argument if you compared their feats side by side I mean honestly I say superman is stronger especially considering the stuff that's been going in man of action of late

[@paulpierre4895]

Why did they ask that lol…smh 😊

[@mensrea1251]

This is honestly one of the more disingenuous and stupid topics you've posted. C'mon.

[@genghisgalahad8465]

Hell nah. Do you really need to shill for.. everything?

[@paulpierre4895]

@@genghisgalahad8465 yo yo bro

[@Drifter1989]

I thought it was common consensus that Superman is stronger but holds back more while Kara is more reckless and quick tempered so she doesn’t pull her punches as much.

[@weshurst4895]

So basically your saying that because supergirl is a woman she’s too emotional and Superman being a man is cool collected.😮😮😮

[@loriwilliams7605]

@@weshurst4895 short answer yes, long answer yes

[@rscottrogers22]

​@@weshurst4895deal with it

[@pjmathison9787]

@@weshurst4895 she doesn’t feel the same love for humanity as superman. She often can’t relate to people. He’s just a kid from Kansas while she’s kryptonian living in a foreign land

[@OnlyBuenoBars]

I'll take this one.

[@thunderer848]

I thought we all knew Superman was more powerful than supergirl

[@sob5607]

Yea cz of plot armor

[@boltstarnova7820]

There's a supergirl comic somewhere where they say she's more powrfull cause she's spent less time on earth so get body's less use to soaking up yellow sunlight as a opposed to Clark who lived there all his life

[@quentinfogger5755]

How many of you remember Supergirl being stronger than Superman after they fought against each other during the season 2 finale of the CW Supergirl?

[@99PTR99]

​@Quentin Fogger I was just about to ask who in their right mind would be arguing that Supergirl is stronger but you've just given me the answer 😂

[@Henlak-]

Fr, didn't even know this was a debate lol

[@Vodkanipples]

What about Dr. Manhattan figured that as long as there's a Superman, there's hope. The reason there's hope is because Superman can probably defeat whatever the threat is.

[@newhybrid101]

That has nothing to do with his physical strength

[@Vodkanipples]

@lasthybrid786 call it strength or powers or abilities it doesn't change the fact that no matter how bad the situation is: example ( doomsday taking out the jla with one hand tied behind his back) there is still hope because no matter how many superheroes you defeat you haven't truly won until you face the og superman himself. Think of him as the final boss in a game , you haven't won until you beat him. He is the superheroe that superheroes look up to. One last example is that you can win the world's strongest man contest, and it doesn't mean shit if you find yourself in the ring with Mike Tyson.

[@dansaco9261]

It's because he is proof power doesnt always have to lead to corruption ,that it can come from a place of purity and love. It's why batman respects him so

[@basemod_]

It's straight up plot armor

[@imbangmaynn5705]

​@@basemod_ sure it is. But it's honestly the only plot armor in verse explanation I'll accept tbh lol. I mean you gotta give it to the guy, he was the reason all these superhero movies exist the way they do. A tribute like that don't hurt imo

[@Wolfs0n]

I hate the logic of "Superman holding back makes him weaker" Like just so you know, there are real world martial arts that teach around physical restraint. Turns out it takes far more strength to restrain one's self.

[@nicklascorell6262]

thats a good way of looking at it , i completely agree

[@surfergemini1667]

Not even that it’s make you more powerful, because you are holding away what you are truly capable of doing

[@danmosby7980]

what? its takes absoiutely no strength to stop doing something. Have your listened to yourself. stoopid idea.

[@protorhinocerator142]

Restraint isn't weakness. It's control.

[@peoplebiter]

Holding back is a mark of wisdom in a case like this, being reckless is a weakness, not a strength and it shows desperation when someone tries to justifies why Supergirl is more powerful, that is simply illogical and backwards.

[@kingmuizz708]

The fact this needed to be debated is insane lmao

[@majormononoke8958]

Why ? Isnt it obivous that writer of the story decides who is stronger?

[@VVVY777]

@@majormononoke8958 Girls are physically weaker than men. Duh. That rule applies across the Universe and there are no exceptions.

[@shakirshums]

exacly bro how tf would they think supergirl could beat superman tho💀💀

[@scottlowell493]

@@shakirshums because in the comics at least at one point she WAS depicted as more powerful. On the CW, she beat superman in a fight more easily than any supervillain. She also was able to use heat vision where superman stopped and almost passed out. That's why there is a debate.

[@bestianegra3725]

​@@shakirshums Because it's been said and confirmed multiple times, but not talked about.

[@TetsuShima]

2:05 Speaking of Ultraman, I've always loved the moment from the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" event in which, as the Anti-Matter rapidly consumes Earth Three without anyone being able to stop it, Power Ring asks Ultraman what he plans to do to save the same planet they tried so many times to conquer in the past, to which the kryptonian responds with a sincere smile: "What I've done all my life...I Fight to the very end". He then throws himself into Anti-Matter, dying heroically. It's so f*cking epic to see the wicked Superman finally accepting to become the hero he was destined to be that I can imagine the John Williams soundtrack playing during the scene

[@coreythorne6936]

I remember that from issue 1 of the mini series.

[@saturnianrings3920]

I think Ultraman is actually a human, who gets his power from khrytonite

[@themeanhornet1070]

Not to any means correct you, but at that time Ultraman was still under the story line that he was a Earth-astronaut that crash-landed on a still live Krypton. They repaired Clark the best they know and when he got back the new powers turned him evil as the Earth 3 way. So, maybe it was the “my true home and I was a real hero once” kicked in.

[@TetsuShima]

​​@@themeanhornet1070That Ultraman you talk about is the one created in the 90's. I am refering to Silver Age Ultraman, who was a kryptonian

[@jamesfx2]

Always thought that Superman should have been stronger than the average Kryptonian because his cells have been soaking up Yellow Sun for decades. His cells grew on a planet orbiting a Yellow Sun so may have greater potential to store and release its energy.

[@strlordx2198]

And to think his isn't even at his peak of power and abilities yet, krytonians get stronger and some unlock different powers later on

[@supergirlvideoclips894]

The one storyline that says Supergirl is stronger says that in her cryo sleep, she was orbiting around the sun and soaked up more sunlight than Clark.

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

too many people don't know about how in some stories about Supergirl her Dad set up her ship to pump her full of Yellow sun radiation making her Stronger then Superman this is the Power Girl version of her though. Basically her dad Cheated..)

[@kylewilliams5454]

She absorbed solar energy in her sleep as well

[@God_chioma]

let just say superman is more humane because he lived like a human all his live as for supergirl she lived as a soldier in krypton so basically she’s won’t be able to hold her punchs before she was bred like a weapon unlike superman who as human attachments and knows he’s basically a god in human form he had to suppress himself

[@ahmod4488]

I honestly think the writers are gonna make who they want the most powerful to be in certain issues just to fit the storyline

[@strlordx2198]

Superman been OP since his first comic, they over 1000 comics and he still op, no one talks about supergirl vs goku They talk about superman vs goku He is the IT factor of power

[@ahmod4488]

@@strlordx2198 don’t get me wrong I believe he is stronger but writers which up to fit the scenario

[@toxicheadshot360]

​@ahmod4488 I don't really through around things being woke as and trying to push an agenda but it's pretty obvious they are doing it with these

[@JSmoothSoul]

@@toxicheadshot360 exactly. Marvel is a shit show. but DC is getting there. shockingly Power Rangers is one of the least WOKE comics out. They focus on telling a story having epic battles and expanding the characters. not pushing nonsense and agendas.

[@Cateater123]

No sissy beta male . Superman is the original and also a man , he is superior and better . Go make wonderman and scarlet man witch . Stop invading male space , you inferior femoids.

[@cahmilae]

saying supergirl are stronger than superman is like saying she hulk is stronger than the hulk

[@alex96super]

Not quite but sure

[@knifeteeth]

So insightful. Dildo is better than dick!

[@majormononoke8958]

Why?

[@VVVY777]

@@majormononoke8958 Girls are physically weaker than men. Duh. That rule applies across the Universe and there are no exceptions.

[@yarc9]

execpt superman and supergirl can solo both hulk and she hulk

[@TetsuShima]

Power Girl: "I am a Kara from a different universe, Kal-El. I guess that means we're not cousins..." Earth One Superman: 🤠

[@SmittyPimp]

😂😂😂😂

[@philipjay2099]

Powergirl is a sliver age kryptonian. She's more powerful than current Supergirl and Superman combined.

[@mel-el5862]

​@@philipjay2099 no she is not. Powergurl has lost to wonder woman, lost to supergurl as well in a 1v1. Current superman bodies any kryptonian as he's extremely overpowered right now at heights no other kryptonian in the family could reach. Do your fucking research son. 😊

[@SeiLa-zf1sf]

@@mel-el5862Supergirl said that Power Girl is stronger than her

[@hhgff778]

Actually it wasn't a universe that Superman sneezed away but a Solar system, even the page you showed says it, but yeah it's still impressive af.

[@supergirlvideoclips894]

Supergirl has also done it in another comic. So that's not a valid point for comparison

[@crazyplugg6076]

@@supergirlvideoclips894 Yeah Aside from all other points he made with feats that supes has over supergirl🤣

[@markomarinic3073]

​@@crazyplugg6076 None of the Feats he showed are valid since the first Feat only showed him lifting the Weight of a Planet instead one of the actual Times, where Superman literally onepunched a Planet. And he showed Superman needing GL's Help. Instead he could have shown Superman going trough the Big Bang. Or the last Feat where he showed 2 Supermen Fight each other. No matter how you see it but it would mean it takes at least 2 Supermen to do that, while Superman clashed already several Times with another Version of himself without something like that to happen. And i think the Multiverse was already falling apart so theres that. But i could also confuse the last part with one of the many others Moments the Universe and Multiverse was falling apart. Anyway, he could have used better Feats then this because this ones can be debunked.

[@lotus1207]

I think the flaw in the logic here is that because more feats haven't been written for Supergirl that means she is less powerful. By this logic if they write a story tomorrow that says supergirl was able to hold a universe together she immediately takes the throne. I think it's better to look at what their power sets are. And there is no reason to believe that Supergirl can't do all of the things that superman has done based on their powers. I think the only argument that can be made is that Superman is older and it stands to reason that a 30 year old man is generally going to be stronger than a 16 year old girl. However, the argument could also be made that Supergirl's younger body better processes the yellow sun energy and she is therefore stronger than Superman.

[@josh1212121]

I feel like Arris got in a debate over who's stronger between the two, got pissed off and decided to make this video to show the person who was debating with him why he's right LOL

[@djstylegaming1398]

Facts bro was just ranting lol

[@tezmard3003]

That’s why arris is our guy LFG

[@Drifter1989]

Probably because he saw people saying Supergirl was better in the Flash movie even though Superman took on Zod and his army without any other superhero and still won.

[@djstylegaming1398]

@@Drifter1989 bruh nobody was saying this tho 😂😂😂

[@larryiscreating]

The tricky thing is that it always depends on the writer but the flaw I see in the argument is that stating what Superman did doesn’t prove unequivocally that he is stronger because Supergirl hasn’t unless it’s show that she cannot do those things. I would be most accurate to compare how they handled the same challenges or head to head.

[@mel-el5862]

He should have just showing the numerous showings of supergirl losing to superman and villains physically dominating supergirl only to physically get bodied ny superman. An easy example he could have bring was new52. Supergirl gets demolished by a weak superman clone and before the death blow was delivered superman arrives and handles it fairly easy.

[@strlordx2198]

Have you seen the fight with darkseid😂 she got 1 shot, mind controlled, and kidnapped all in 1 movie, meanwhile superman had beating Darkseid the same guy that knocked her ass out with 1 hit😭 Anything thing is if she could do all those things the writers of her comic would have her do it, she been here for years and still nothing, no one is wrong to say she can't do shit, she just gets points from others characters, the same characters that come running to superman when planetary danger strikes🤣

[@tooslow4065]

its all relative to whomever does the writing. thats why everybody loses at one time. cause some writer decides he doesnt like a character being looked up to by people, so wants them taken down a notch or two. next writer changes it. thats social justice for you

[@brianng8350]

Even head to head, Superman is normally more thoughtful and would hold back. If you have kids growing up, they don’t have restrains. But as adults, you know better.

[@joshuaedwards4927]

A feminist writer

[@themeanhornet1070]

During Batman’s examination of Supergirl when she first landed, he stated she could be more powerful then Superman due to her escape ship was trapped in the sun’s orbit for I believe 12 years allowing her to take in the sun’s rays directly all those years.

[@alexchord5689]

I believe Batman also said in Superman/Batman Apocalypse that her cells regenerate faster and therefore she could become more powerful.

[@CooperHolt3318]

@@alexchord5689 Did you not watch the video? Half of the video was just showing how you should take one off comments with a grain of salt. You should be focusing on the big picture and what the characters history has shown them to do. Actions speak louder than words

[@strlordx2198]

In that same movie she got 1 shot by Darkseid in the barn, bro was fighting her with his hands behind his back💀 superman holds back , she dosnt and still gets beat this debate is sad

[@user-bw6pt9dy6f]

@@strlordx2198 Supergirl vs Darkseid wasnt even a fight in that same comic. Then Superman came in the end and beat the crap out of Darkseid. Not only Supergirl is not as strong as Superman but i m not sure if they even belong in same tier of strength.

[@Falcun21]

@@alexchord5689 Not only that, but Batman erroneously believes that Wonder Woman is quicker in a fight than Superman due to reflexes. When it's been proven that Superman's speed of thought is so much greater that he can choose an action and perform it faster than a primed Diana can even react. This is especially showcased in For Tomorrow when he crosses a room and backhands her before she can stab the Miracle Machine.

[@TetsuShima]

8:16 The Anti-Monitor being destroyed by Golden Age Superman himself is one of the most EPIC moments in comic-book history. The first hero ever stopping by his own hand the threat that wanted to destroy everything that came after him. How poetic

[@sabreeemneely]

🥹

[@thalmoragent9344]

Wait, what? You lost me at the last sentence, unless I'm thinking too deeply about it 😅

[@TMSokoya]

@@thalmoragent9344 Golden Age Superman (or Earth-1 Superman) was the first superhero to be created. Every other hero in the DC Universe came after him. So, when he destroyed the Anti-Monitor, he effectively saved the entire DC Universe, which could be considered poetic.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@TMSokoya Ah, I see... yeah, that truly is a poetic story situation. Thanks for the info 👍🏾 (Also, Superman came before Batman as a hero? I thought it was the other way around, but I may just be mistaken)

[@supergirlvideoclips894]

Supergirl also whooped the anti-monitor's ass. She only lost because she was distracted by Dr Light.

[@darnellmillien4345]

This is the problem with comic, they want to have their cake and eat it to. They want moon girl and supergirl to be top in strength and intelligence but they don’t want to use the characters. Don’t say characters you don’t want to focus on are #1 if you’re gonna use someone else more popular for all those feats. The statements are made but the displays don’t match because no one wants to use them so it becomes empty words.

[@nokudgs1231]

yep, it also hard to have story then have another writer disregard it.

[@midoriyahisashike9665]

Omg some obe finally said it

[@DesX42S]

The problem with this video, and most super hero debating, is that it's just a bunch of disconnected feats from different writers which is largely unnecessary for the argument at hand. You don't need "receipts" when you can use basic logic to argue Superman is stronger. Kryptonians get their power from a yellow sun and Superman has lived his entire life under one, Kara has only spent a few years. No unreliable and random feats needed.

[@tezmard3003]

And he’s a man

[@OWXMUSIC]

Kryptonians all have the same powers spawn from the yellow sun, how is one more powerful than the other?

[@Grim_death144]

How and why the hell was this even a debate.

[@blueconqueror4695]

I think it's because of that trash cw series supergirl

[@mattsmith1859]

Because we are comic fans and debates like this are an entertaining time. Also, Supergirl is stronger.

[@dontreadmybanner2002]

​@@blueconqueror4695your right

[@njerisonko1384]

​@@blueconqueror4695Yeah I was pissed when I saw CW Supergirl easily defeat Superman.

[@Goro69]

@@mattsmith1859 nah, I refuse to accept that, as long there is superman prime, Injustice superman, or cosmic armor superman, for me superman will always be stronger, I don't hate supergirl, she's a nice character, but Superman is just the goat, always was always will be, that's just poor writing.

[@peanuttt003]

This was a debate?

[@Hoopergames]

Supergirl, historically, was meant to be more powerful than superman because she left krypton as a teenager rather than a baby. But because people keep clinging to this poorly thought out idea that "superman is the best of us" or any of the other regurgitated talking point yall spew about Clark, they keep boosting his power while not boosting hers

[@anakin9424]

Supergirl is seen as more powerful because she does not hold back and she came to earth as a teenager

[@jasonwang7028]

We need more episodes where Arris goes off like this 👏😂

[@lakotavaldez24]

My interpretation of supergirl was that her physical body was more dense or durable but not that she had way more powerful feats of strength than superman for the fact he's had years in earth to prefect his abilities

[@awardedaqua580]

Because zodd rocked her shit in the flash 💀

[@newhybrid101]

Weird he was losing in the trailers

[@windowers]

One of the things that always bugged me in the Supergirl TV show was when Superman himself says Kara is stronger. C'mon it's not even a competition. Edit: Yes, I understand it's all down to the writer and that objectively, that universe's Superman is canonically weaker than every other variation. Which is the main problem I had with the Arrowverse Superman to begin with before Superman and Lois came around. I just don't get why this show had to bring down another famously strong character just to show strength in the titular heroine. I know they had Superman be weaker because they had to have the main girl fight the big bads, but couldn't you have just had Superman incapacitated in some other way? You know how you show strength in a character? Season 1 finale: she lifted an entire prison ship all on her own and it was pretty badass. That's how you show proper strength in a female character. Not by saying Superman is weaker, but by showing Kara's strength.

[@sabreeemneely]

Of course they did.

[@majormononoke8958]

Why?

[@VVVY777]

@@majormononoke8958 Girls are physically weaker than men. Duh. That rule applies across the Universe and there are no exceptions.

[@HalfBoiIed]

Can’t have a man stronger than the woman in her own show can we?

[@johnlawful2272]

Strong woman bs

[@49ers_red_and_gold2]

They made it seem like she was stronger because she had more control over her powers at the time. This is what I have seen in different series.

[@oldatarigamer]

Superman has been absorbing those rays from our sun longer, so there's that.

[@lifegood3322]

Its that kind of writing that has brought modern comics to the pinnacle of the bottom of the piggy bank and has a lot of writers/artists rolling change for ramen!

[@sexyutkarsh]

Even in the MOS Clark was pushing zod to his limits but in the flash Supergirl didn't even break his armour

[@newhybrid101]

Clark was even holding hack except the last moment

[@sexyutkarsh]

@@newhybrid101 while Supergirl was going all out but I think she was just taken out of the prison so she was a little weak compared to her prime

[@Salem-1610]

@@sexyutkarsh Yeah. Had she had enough time, she would've definitely broken more than just Zod's armor.

[@sexyutkarsh]

@@Salem-1610 no zod was designed to be a worrier but cara wasn't she was designed to take care but she had the codex in her maybe if plot armour is given she would be great

[@strlordx2198]

​@@Salem-1610meanwhile zod wanted to kill Clark for that codex, Kara dosnt have that, so killing Clark was more of an effort than supergirl

[@kenndogg1481]

There was NEVER a debate

[@starrfyre2814]

In comics, the one who has more utilization is generally going to "win" a debate, because they have more to work with: examples and counters. Kinda like Hank Pym vs The Atom.

[@Chewie234]

Supergirl had her own show , she was used quite fairly .....pym and atom not a good comparison, abilities vs tech lol

[@starrfyre2814]

@@Chewie234 A secondary character won't ever have the same amount of mileage compared to A: The character they spun off from and B: A flagship character. How about Bruce vs Dick? Sure Bruce himself will say that there are things Grayson is better at in universe, but Batman, using all that we know, would win.

[@crazyplugg6076]

@@Chewie234 That show doesnt count buddy with all the Bs logic they had How Tf are yu stronger then supes yet weak to electricity and cant fly into space on your own 🤣

[@Privateers1-g1q]

It’s called plot armor, some writers tend to abuse it more than others

[@strlordx2198]

Imagine if a comic didn't have plot armor😂 all comics would be like the kings game anime💀

[@ambrish98]

It all depends on the writer of the story. Superman is created by Joe sushter and Jerry Seigel, but future writers made Superboy prime, Icon, He-L, Zod, and etc more powerful superheroes or supervillains to defeat Superman but hero is hero, thus making their power level variation according to their mindset of stories.

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

Exactly who writing the story and which vs of Supes changes things. And its ALL Canon and explained by the DC Multiverse.

[@crazyplugg6076]

That shit dont matter when yu have Multiple writers creating multiple stories with some being in the same universe and they still have supes displaying greater levels of strength while holding back🤣

[@SoulisStar]

It’s been a while sense I’ve seen a video and you didn’t disappoint. Classic. Script and visuals. Perfect.

[@chaneladriana6829]

Superman without a doubt the most powerful superhero to have ever appear in comic book pages

[@gregschnidt679]

Yet dr fate and almost evry magical opponent he has come across has waxed his ass. Its also been stated as fact by multiple writers si ce crisis on infinite earths that Kara is stronger.

[@chaneladriana6829]

@@gregschnidt679 dr fate has never beat superman get that lie out of your head kid and there’s nothing that says kara is stronger in fact superman beats characters that throw kara around like a fly

[@chaneladriana6829]

@@gregschnidt679 no one has been able to beat superman in a fight in comics he is the most powerful character ever

[@gregschnidt679]

@@chaneladriana6829 doomsday. Lobo. Brainiac. Bizzaro. Solomon grundy. Batman in a nth metal suit. Yes they have. Thats just the ohysical beatdown. Felix faust. Dr fate. Zatanna. Aries. Suoes has been wrecked many times across his career. You really dont read comics do you?

[@rossjones8426]

​@@chaneladriana6829hal Jordan beat his ass twice

[@SetoShadowVT]

It has been stated when it comes to Moon Girl, when ever she is stumped with something she has gone to Dr. Doom for help. While her intelligence rivals Reed and Doom she will go get help when the situation demands it

[@BC08]

Who cares. Garbage character

[@fatceaserdagreat241]

He bench press the weight of the world for five days and uses black holes for dumbbells!!!!!How are we even having this conversation!!!!!

[@dalehammers4425]

But you have to ask if she could do it as well. We honestly dont know because she hasnt tried. So someone doing something isnt proof they are stronger than the other unless the other tried and failed no? Proof one person can do something, isnt proof another cant. I'm not saying Supergirl is stronger than Superman, but this is a false argument.

[@edwardmartin3549]

From what I understand is that kryptonian strength mainly depends on 3 primary factors. Exposure to yellow or blue sunlight, also depends on how long they been exposed to said sunlight.(kryptonians bodies acting like solar batteries) Another factor is if the kryptonian is warrior/soldier class or artist scholar or political class, with warrior/soldier classed kryptonians are stronger than the rest of the classes. Last factor being if the kryptonian is natural born or like all other kryptonians(99.99999%} test tube babies genetically engineered for specific roles in life. Natural born kryptonian babies being stronger. A fourth factor could also be whether or not the kryptonian is magically inclined or not. Now the fifth possible factor only applies to superman, that being the gene codex of krypton making kal el peak kryptonian.

[@fireballjames10]

I mean sure, but I mean when it comes down to it that's how writing the super-duo goes. If you want them to do something, they can probably do it. The problem with Kara is she is often treated like Wally West in the comics, oh we'll just get rid of you until your convenient. She has some awesome feats in the comics, my favorite one being one of two entities to safely remove a red lantern ring without help. She'll always play sideline to Clark, and usually be used as canon fodder to push the story forward for the more popular counterpart.

[@josephmassaro]

This is largely (but no exclusively) a modern conceit created by agenda driven writing. Writers with more activism than storytelling in their repertoire have tried to do this with other female analog characters or adjacent characters. One recent(ish) egregious one was in the Rebirth restart. It's implied that Kate Kane (Batwoman) is a better detective than Batman. She figures out his secret identity while he's clueless that she's known for over a year, leaving him with a literal dumbfounded look on his face.

[@aj-dr9853]

There was a debate?

[@newhybrid101]

This was never a debate

[@NerdNavigator]

Actually.. the black hole being held by superman just goes to show some comic writers don't understand basic physics... the force of gravity is that mass pulls on all other mass, a persons hand doesn't negate that force. Everyone in that room would fly to Supermans hand and stick to it and be crushed even if superman was strong enough for his hand to not get sucked in and deformed by the force of gravity.

[@jamielthashepherd6870]

There’s a comic where she was doing all this talking about how Batman’s analysis (which is the only evidence that she MIGHT be stronger) and Superman one shots her. Also what’s the difference between her absorbing sunlight in a ship and Clark absorbing it on Earth? None. He’s stronger.

[@albatani27]

You know what? There's a big difference but it proves your point even more. Kara being fed sunlight was like someone being in a coma and nourished by being fed intravenously. Clark getting sunlight the way he did was like someone eating a balanced and nutritious diet while getting plenty of exercise. Like you said, Clark is stronger.

[@gregschnidt679]

Not the only evidence. Her doing what clark couldnt in crisis on infinite earths and supes even saying himself he couldnt have done. Not to mention 10 other wroters sonce that have kept that story point going. Just stop

[@bakedgoods7116]

@@gregschnidt679 There is way more evidence in the comics, they had a lot of fights too, and all of those fights are a victory for Supes. Even in terms of feats, Clark has triumphed. Besides, we're talking about the comic version of the characters, as seen in the video. Not the TV Show.

[@gregschnidt679]

@@bakedgoods7116 neither am i. The comics of crisis have shown and the writers have stated. Regardless of feats shiown what they say goes. Just because you didnt see her do something doesnt mean it didnt happen.

[@joshjones9749]

@@bakedgoods7116 Supes also ragdolled both Supergirl and Shazam at the same time when he got angry. You don't call anybody but Superman when Darkseid shows up wanting to throw hands solo.

[@cosmicarmor2426]

The black hole was sentient and attacking Superman's mind at the same time.

[@nkchipamu625]

bro was battling a black hole physically and mentally? the hell?

[@cosmicarmor2426]

@@nkchipamu625 Exactly right.

[@gimplekin3629]

it isn't even all about strength. superman is a paragon of righteous good and justice. an incorruptible icon leading by example. always stepping in to help and do whats right. superman represents everything that a superhero should stand for.

[@supergirlvideoclips894]

Superman and Supergirl are cousins and Kryptonians. So anything Superman can do, Supergirl can do it too and vice versa. So its stupid to debate who is more powerful than the other.

[@Nerwrax15]

In Moon Girl's case, Marvel is the one stating Moon Girl is the smartest, so it kinda has to be true. That being said Intelligence does not equal feats, Moon Girl may be smarter than Reed and the others, but they jave definitely done more with their intelligence.

[@patrickstyle24816]

Tell that to the Supergirl show 🙄

[@sparrow420500]

Easy answer. Superman is a MALE Kryptonian, where as Supergirl is a FEMALE Kryptonian. Obviously he's going to be stronger physically, and it only stands to reason this would extend to their other powers too. This didn't need to be a nine minute video. A woke, feminist writer shoehorning in a line of dialog saying "blah, blah, blah, stronger than Superman," DOESN'T make it so, it just makes it tough to suspend disbelief in a story about super powerful aliens, takingplace in a sci-fi/fantasy world. A woke, feminist ARTIST drawing Ultragirl beating up Ultraman, doesn't make it so, it just makes it IMPOSSIBLE to suspend disbelief in that same world.

[@MJWolverine21]

DC after watching this : _"Hmm.. 🤔nice feats of Superman. Now let's make Supergirl sneeze away a Multiverse."_

[@jorgecarbajal8076]

5:19 As a matter of fact, I think this actually *is* my first time hearing about her. 6:31 Depending on the continuity, I think he doesn’t even need some of those things.

[@protorhinocerator142]

Superman has been a household name for almost 90 years. Supergirl comes up every now and then. She's not as memorable. Other than religious songs where people sing about God, I think the #2 subject of songs is Santa Claus and #3 is Superman. I can think of at least 10 popular songs off the top of my head that mention Superman.

[@trevorstockwell8290]

Superman hands down. First he has more experience and has been basking in the sun's rays for years before she has shown up. They said she has the potential to b more powerful but she uses her emotions more while Clark is more level headed.

[@starbrand3726]

Timestamp 5:18...Wrong Ultragirl. That's the Ultragirl from the Marvel Universe. She has nowhere near a Kryptonian's power level. The Superman lifting the weight of the Earth was New 52 Superman. The Superman who sneezed away a universe was Silver Age Superman.

[@Akuzastar]

Wait. There's a debate..? Tell you don't know anything about comics without telling me 😂😂

[@jacobmcleod5885]

I thought it was said that Supergirl was possibly stronger than Superman. I still love both characters though!

[@djstylegaming1398]

Superman has absorbed more energy from the sun and honed the powers for longer. Pretty easy explanation

[@sabreeemneely]

I always thought that settled it.

[@VVVY777]

Girls are physically weaker than men. Duh. That rule applies across the Universe and there are no exceptions.

[@CypherCM]

There are only 2 types of people who thinks supergirl is stronger, 1. SIMPS , 2 Women

[@comicnerd1186]

Superman is the OG. End of debate.

[@williamblake8560]

When Supergirl arrived to earth, she was a older teen who grown into a young adult who was told not to use her full strength but at times did so while Clark was told from the time of being a little boy not to use his full strength to where he operated at 50 percent, hold back to the point it became muscle memory. For Clark to unleashed his full strength would be devastating

[@_thethinker5557]

Thank youuuuuuuuu!!! Finally someone with logic who isn't talking about girl power. When it comes to comics, no one tops Team Variant's knowledge!!

[@smellywaffels1967]

Your insecurities are showing. Big sister beat you up a lot?

[@_thethinker5557]

No! Your big sister b€@t m¥ m€@t a lot!!! Also how is me saying "team variant isn't talking about girl power" my insecurity? I know you are very open about the smell of your waffles, but me saying what I said isn't insecurity, it's a factual statement. Speaking of factual statements, here's one: Literally everyone who likes supergirl says "woo girl power, Gooo girrrllllllllaaa" like has a comic or a movie ever naturally appeared infront of you with a title "boy/man power"?

[@jerrydboss7251]

didnt we alreadly know this, it never made sense that supergirl was more powerful than superman

[@boomsayer5169]

With equal sun exposure, Kal-El is a male, with a bigger body and more muscle. Come on, it's common sense.

[@maku3857]

Sayings shes new isn't a argument. Naming random feats he has only makes her stronger just like the villans who dont do those things And to the Deny this wouldn't mean you'd need to say that the villains shouldn't scale to him either epically when we don't see them do half of those things Anyways and it's his own statements multiple times that she has more potential than Him but it's true to say that currently she has not reached that potential in the main timeline as he has been on Earth Longer absorbing Earth's radiation while she wasn't while along the way given time to adjust/Grow his powers but that doesn't Negate her entire narrative.

[@porkchopsensei2742]

Yeah, this video is so weird. You can't just show what Superman can do to prove he's stronger than Supergirl, you have to show what Supergirl can do. If her best feat isn't as impressive as Superman's best feat, then that would be evidence. Superman's feats in a vaccuum don't make an argument. Also, he conflates Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis Superman a lot in this. I highly doubt that the Superman we see in current continuity can sneeze away a universe. That's pre-crisis shit.

[@strlordx2198]

Goku has potential too but superman is limitless in alot of cases so potential vs no limits

[@maku3857]

@St@rLordx21 that makes no since. First no he isn't limitless. Secondly he is a kryptonian like her there poweres work the same. Thirdly the statements come from himself. Lastly I'm not getting into goku scaling

[@simpletora7313]

This is the same energy as WW vs Superman. WW has on multiple occasions been shown to match or even take down superman but she's not the poster child like him and he will ALWAYS be written to be better. Nobody in DC is ever going to match superman that isn't some unstoppable force of nature like Darkseid. Yes, they beat him but he's just gonna keep coming back and he's something you deal with not fully defeat

[@duberdurm]

Exactly. Thinking just because a few writers say something with no basis in cannon it makes it cannon.

[@N.Kunwar.]

6:59 👈😱😱😱😱😱(And I used to think Superman is nothing in front of One Punch Man when people used to compare their strength on the internet but now I know they were correct).

[@darthsw0lev3rine95]

Dope video, but I feel like some instances were ignored for Supergirls' case. They both inhabit the same universe so going off of feats alone isn't necessarily the best method to use in determining who is the better of the two. That's like saying Wonder Woman loses to Superman because her feats aren't on the level of Supermans'. Even though they've fought countless times with both having instances of having the upper hand against each other. Supergirl herself has feats of her own from pre crisis to current day that gives her an impressive reputation. Though not rivaling her cousin due to the focus and hold Superman has. She has had instances of taking Supermans' best hits or making a name for herself to be seen as a threat like her cousin. Superman is the more powerful of the two but it's not truly a huge gap when you look at all of their history.

[@Comicbroe405]

Exactly! She isn't any less of a threat.

[@tfraserbboy77]

THANK YOU Arris just loves Dickriding Clark

[@jjarem8689]

It's literally been stated in this video and in the panels shown that superman holds back way more than kara and people around his league like wonder woman.

[@darthsw0lev3rine95]

@@jjarem8689 you either didn’t read what I said. Or just didn’t care. But I’ll explain it one more time. I said Superman is more powerful of the two. Which didn’t stray away from the conclusion in the video. However, Clark isn’t the best in terms of combat like Diana/Bruce, strategy like Bruce, or speed like Wally/Barry. Superman holds back to a very weakening degree. But other members hold back as well. Supergirl doesn’t hold back as much which gives the look that she’s stronger when she isn’t. Though she could still give her cousin a run for the money like any other metahuman league member can. Superman has the experience and knowledge of his powers. But like I said also, Kara has taken hits from an enraged trying Superman back in the day and withstood it all. So the gap isn’t huge. It’s just noticeable.

[@milkmanman]

​@@darthsw0lev3rine95 you don't have to look at feats all you have to know is how their powers work. They are powered by the yellow sun and Kara has NOT been absorbing the sun even close to the amount of time Clark has. The whole being on krypton longer makes 0 sense. It's really that simple imo not to mention men are naturally stronger than women

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

I think the flaw in debates like this comes down to fans who pull receipts from character feats in the comics, movies, video games, shows, etc. that we consume to back up our claims. However, it all comes down to what the writers say about a character. If Moon Girl is the smartest Marvel character then she is. Yes, it sucks because this random character has a higher IQ than fan favorites with decades of stories showcasing their skills. Even worse is that DC/Marvel comics have A LOT of different writers so there is rarely ever a consistent pecking order when it comes to brains, power, etc.

[@milkmanman]

I disagree somewhat because adversely just because a writer says a new character is smarter as a plot device doesn't make it so. What else could you use other than past feats? That's what current stories come from

[@JADE-vc3dt]

It's not a debate Superman is definitely literally More powerful than supergirl There was a Time Superman actually let go and one shot King Shazam and a evil supergirl infact that Shazam was killing beating gods and heroes buh Superman took them all by himself Also Ultraman is powerful too that he lifted the book of infinite pages and if not for today i really didn't know anything about Ultragurl So without comparison Superman outclassed Supergirl 🙂✌️

[@MrCaveman74]

While most don't even consider it an argument that Superman is stronger, this video doesn't PROVE that. It lists Superman's feats, but that only matters if we show Kara attempting the SAME feat and failing.

[@bakedgoods7116]

There is one comparable feat, whoever takes more effort to pull people/objects out of the Source Wall. It took 4 or 5 variants of Supergirls(Power Girl included) to pull Superman out of the Source Wall, yet when Darkseid was stuck, it took only Superman to pull him out, the same when Supes pulled out Highfather's staff. Also, most of their fights in the comics always ended up in Superman's favor.

[@knk9118]

Supergirl is the only one in the Dc universe who removed a red lantern ring and survived. A fact this video conveniently left out, thus, supergirl is more powerful than Superman. Lol

[@lasthope3237]

Razor removed a red lantern ring , hal Jordan resisted a red lantern ring , what your point ??? That’s not a feat if strength , it’s a feat of will power

[@calgumbo5193]

So I thought that female Kryptonians metabolized yellow sun radiation faster than male kryptonians. I also thought that since Kara had the same powers as Clark had as an adult, as a teenager. Correct me if I am wrong but Clark couldn't fly when he was Kara's age right? Basically I always assumed that Kara was weaker but stronger than Clark was when he was her age. So if they were the same age and had the same amount of yelloe sun radiation, she would probabaly be stronger in that instance but because of the age gap Clark is stronger. At least that makes sense to me

[@tezmard3003]

Clark could fly, superboy exists

[@lasthope3237]

Bro that’s not rue where did you get that idea about female and male kryptonians

[@calgumbo5193]

@lasthope3237 Batman Superman Apocalypse. I could be wrong about this since it has been a few years since I watched the movie but both Batman and Darkseid remaked on Kara's abilities in comparison to Clark's and how she was seemingly on par with him even though she was younger. I think Brainiac mentioned something similar about Supergirl in Superman Unbound but I am not 100 percent sure about that. And then there was the new 52 which seemed to hint at Kara being stronger but I'm not sure if that was just because that version of Clark had yet to discover another Kryptonian

[@theoutlawking9123]

Man vs Woman = Man more powerful SuperMan vs Superwoman = C'mon it's Obvious!

[@shaulkramer7425]

Amen. I can't believe people were trying to make this into a debate.

[@rev.jonathanwint6038]

In the comic it's super girl for a lot of reasons but the writer keep forgetting. 1 her father added sunstone and Doomsday DNA to her DNA. 2 She grew up on Krypton and its a heavy Gravity world. 3 she was Genetically Engineered for health and strength. Clark was not being created all-natural DNA. 4 She got shot with a gun which started a Fusion reaction in her cells permanently increasing her powers.

[@strlordx2198]

All that and still gets knocked out by Darkseid in 1 shot....nah all that is just bullshit backstory tbh

[@rev.jonathanwint6038]

@St@rLordx21 Nope just DC bad continuity not following canon. I seen Superman comics wear Superman got beaten by 12 year old weak Vampire because of magic weakness but then Very Easily beat Dr Fate Spells and Wonderwoman and magic vulnerability never kick in. They just do not follow their own rules(what's called the story bible). Just going By a vampire child overpowering Superman because of magic weakness Shazam should put his fist through Superman's head. But it does not. I remember when the Girl Dove was dead but she was in crossovers after she was dead in war of the gods well after Monarch killed her. Their continuity is always a mess. None of which changes the fact She was supposed to be a hundred times more powerful than a normal Kryptonian After she got shot with the gun... Yes, superman's feats are better because DC Editors doesn't control its Writers or do their jobs.

[@David_Scar]

Superman is ridiculously stronger than her

[@oross504]

This is a silly topic. The sheer amount of stories dedicated to each character is like 21:1? Of course Supes has more trials and displays of strength… Didn’t he live in a sun for years in a storyline? Can’t imagine Super(Woman) ever getting stronger than that.

[@djstylegaming1398]

Facts lol

[@crazyplugg6076]

Living in the sun thats Superman Prime 1 Million

[@markomarinic3073]

Superwoman is vulnerable to the Sun and doesn't get her Powers from it. So yeah, she can't do that.

[@lancinekeita4823]

I don't think it matters, it's whoever writes à better story portraying power. Both héros having solar based powers..power... to me it doesn't make sense how someone can be stronger than the other - but it's comics.

[@DM-TELE-GRAM-WillMotivation-]

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[@imnoman4205]

Well , Men Are Physically Stronger Than Women . So ........

[@uchihabomber1296]

Weird I thought it was already said that Supergirl is stronger than Kal or moreso had more potential to be much stronger than him cuz I’m sure it’s been said in the comics at least. I’ve always assumed Superman was stronger anyway tho. Although in my opinion I just always assumed they were equal since they literally have the exact same powers so wouldn’t every kryptonian just be equal in strength and it would just matter on who has more stamina or willpower to beat them?

[@George-mi4fk]

Even tho almost all Kryptonians have the same potential. It's how they master their abilities that metters . And the New Krypton story arc it was shown how Kal el's mastery of his powers had an advantage over other Kryptonians.

[@uchihabomber1296]

@Konjoyo this is a good point

[@silvercyndaquil8472]

It does depend on the continuity - New 52 Super Girl is stronger due to traveling around the sun indefinitely in her pod as far as I'm concerned. However in almost every other continuity Superman is definitely stronger.

[@WatchUrHead1]

I’ve never heard anyone say that supergirl was stronger than Superman

[@Yog3shPatel]

Even Supertransman is stronger than Supergirl. Basic biology

[@hezzi3283]

I wonder if this is an argument of what has been done vs what can be done. . . If its stated that supergirl absorbs more solar radiation readily and that's the source of their power. . . Doesn't that make her potentially stronger?

[@CooperHolt3318]

Thats a statement from an animated movie. Thats not a very reliable source

[@hezzi3283]

@@CooperHolt3318 so it's not a thing?

[@strlordx2198]

Bro in that same movie where that bullshit line was stated she list a fight to Darkseid in 1 hit, is anyone reading reading between the lines here as to the bullshit said and what happens after, it's all a bunch of bullock😂

[@JustSoji]

I think it was Stan Lee who said that the more powerful character is whoever the writer says so for the story. Because he's right, it why power scalers always pull the most obscure feats and losses to win arguments That said I still like the idea the Moon Girl is smarter than T'challa and Tony, just bc it's funny. Same energy as Squirrel Girl beating Thanos

[@drewzzins]

Didn’t know this was a debate

[@kristopherwilliams8215]

Bro just say you're afraid of powerful and/or smart women and move on EDIT: Bear in mind Superman was/still is my favorite character but I have several justifications for this hot take: 1)We are relying on Canon, from the SIXTIES, to justify why superman is stronger than supergirl? The sixties made their flagship male character stronger than his female counterpart? I'm shocked. 2) I am unsurprised, as we all should be, that Superman, again DC's FLAGSHIP character, has more material to draw from in terms of feats. Yet, when Supergirl(Ultragirl) got involved, he got beat...twice. 3)We cannot confirm nor deny that Supergirl had the same capabilities as she was not in the same position. 4) the "hint" that Supergirl is stronger was a bit more explicit than vague my guy, and it was further validated when she beat him down twice in recent canonical history. There was apparently nothing to go back and "correct" 5) unrelated note, but Moon Girl is what, 9? Weird vibes to be confused as to why she could NOW be the smartest as to a point people tend to get smarter as they age. To your point Reed Richards is decades old, Moon Girl literally isn't even one decade; so again the argument can be made that she is not even old enough to demonstrate the feats you cited it would be significantly more accurate to compare her feats when Reed Richards was her age than current Reed Richards. Just saying that perhaps self reflection needs to be made to make sure that the "flawed reasoning" we have concluded exists is not rooted in our own flaws.

[@chrisvb4387]

Sounds like, all those feats that Kal has done. And if Kara was able to beat him up, means she can do exactly the same things, too. Just cause we don't see him do it, doesn't mean she can't. As you mentioned, she beat up the blue boy scout till he had help. It should instead boil down to who has the most yellow sun energy stored in their re-chargeable battery bodies.

[@cartersauce5749]

Wrong because she had been beat up by characters far more weaker than him.

[@angelsinthere]

Idk most of the examples that were given only showed supermans feats but not really showing any of Supergirl's feats or how she would handle or stand up during those situations.

[@nokudgs1231]

it because he's clearly bias. the moment he was like superman in the 60s did this, he lost me

[@angelsinthere]

@Nokudgs 12 I completely agree it feels more like his head canon rather than actual proof that Superman can beat Supergirl. It's a huge misconception that she is a tone down version of Superman and that she is what the cw has protrade her as. But she is really a strong hero who has the potential to solo Superman in every way. There is a reason why batman never fully trusts her it's because he knows she has the potential and capability to be the strongest person on earth, and there might not be anyone to stop her. Where Superman is more relaxed and restrained, Supergirl is more emotional and doesn't share that restraint as Superman.

[@dalehammers4425]

@@angelsinthere It would be different if he used cases like "Superman did this, but Supergirl failed to do it" but no, he's simply uses cases of things Superman did that Supergirl never tried. If she could do them as well but simply hasnt, thats not remotely an argument then.

[@wordonice4457]

I'll go out on a limb here and say that the only reason this video was made is because we're in a woke era where everything is being questioned. Otherwise, who on earth ever thought Supergirl was more powerful than Superman??

[@davemcguckin8651]

Arris really needs to get over his hatred of Moon Girl. "This guy has been around longer!" is not an argument against a newer character being the best, strongest or smartest. If Marvel are planning to take time demonstrating why and how Moon Girl is the smartest Marvel character, and have made it clear before they start that she now is, then the fact Reed Richards has been around for a long time won't change that. The debate between who is stronger between Superman and Supergirl is not the same as that, especially as DC hasn't outright said that Supergirl is stronger; but also "Ultraman did these things and we never saw Ultragirl do them" also doesn't mean Ultragirl CAN'T do them. Just because we haven't seen it, doesn't mean it isn't possible.

[@nokudgs1231]

"umm that doesn't fit my narrative😭" but all serious if you can because it comics, like your right Arris is clearly bias and his video gave me death battle vibes

[@alexj6269]

This is a pretty flawed argument. I think they got stuck fanboying

[@Paur]

Yea, there seems to be this assumption that if Supergirl was in the same position she would fail. Maybe, maybe not, but it's not the way to compare character abilities. Could make a similar argument for Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman. But we've seen those two actually fight Supes straight up, so we know that's likely not true. Moreso he tries to ignore direct evidence to otherwise. I mean I wouldn't argue that Supergirl is generally stronger because of a different version of her beating up a counterpart character, if anything THAT Supergirl could be argued as stronger, but not the main one we are accustomed with. And the moongirl dismissal was just him not liking it and acting like that's a fact, not a solid argument against it. I agree with the premise, I think mainline Supes is likely stronger than mainline Supergirl, but this entire argument was just feels on through.

[@quentinfogger5755]

What was up with Sasha Calle being cast as Kara Zor-El Supergirl in the Flash movie since she's not blonde unlike her comic book counterpart? Are we going to see her as Supergirl in James Gunn DC projects in the DCU?

[@TheBlond49]

Gunn killed her off, and changed the ending of her first bts look

[@XGlite015]

Pre-crisis Superman didn't sneeze away a universe, he sneezed away a solar system. There's a big difference between the two.

[@strlordx2198]

This isn't the only superman video he makes, I'm sure it was a mistake as in his other videos he said solar system, have you ever made a mistake before😭

[@omegawho2460]

When was this ever a debate?

[@doziezeanya9571]

Even Batman said it in that supergirl last cartoon movie, that Supergirl is stronger than superman. Don't judge with what superman does because he is always on the front page of DC drama

[@stgsoullore]

Oh a badly made cartoon you say

[@lasthope3237]

Nah he said she metabolises energy quicker that doesn’t mean more or less , and btw it also means she burns it quicker

[@iam00playa18]

To mention his feats. Means she didn't have to do it. So, we REALLY don't KNOW what she can under the same conditions. Sooooo, this is also NOT saying who is stronger. If she hasn't had to do it. Then there's NO evidence. Her Sonic scream can drop Superman to his knees. Stop playing. Just on the fact that she is a woman. Means she is stronger. If she has a menstruation. That alone means she's stronger. If she ever gets pregnant. That means she's stronger. Shiiiit, her cells even concentrate the sunlight into a denser form of energy. Which makes her stronger. Superman has even said it.

[@rscottrogers22]

Wrong.

[@iam00playa18]

@@rscottrogers22 what's wrong about it? It's totally legit

[@lasthope3237]

I defy you to tell me once superman has ever said it

[@mr7463]

I always knew that superman is more powerful than supergirl.

[@umbrellacorp.]

That moongirl character is nonsense to me and she doesn't exist to me. Superman will always be Stronger than Supergirl. Golden Superman was one of the strongest Ever.