Endless Punishment is a False Doctrine

[@StobbeTime]

I now understand why we’re told by Yeshua to love our enemies.

[@NONENOBLE]

Very interesting point. Love them to try and share Jesus but love them for what? Love them even though their going to be cast away forever with none stop pain and suffering with no end?

[@bran7134]

I just found this channel and it's refreshing to see that I'm not completely alone. Every time my wife and basically all of my friends tell me to stop thinking heretically with my universal salvation stance and I start to doubt myself, I immediately go back to the ever so powerfully brilliant scene in the movie The Shack where the main character is asked which one of his children he would kill and that he said there's no way he could kill any of his kids. I don't get behind everything William Paul Young because he's gone woke in his acceptance of sin and that's not biblical but I do however love that scene because I feel he nailed it when it comes to Abba Daddys heart.

[@IanBouchardInstrumentals]

I'll try to keep this short...When I was at the very lowest point of my life, I prayed God that no one that ever existed would have to endure such torment (or worse) forever. Then I started finding teachers like you and including you, that promote Universalism, then I started remembering the words, that about 12 years ago, an ex-Catholic very messed-up priest that I picked up in my taxi told me about that. I just thought he was crazy and not a real christian. I absolutely pray and hope that Universalism is true but I have so many doubts and unanswered quesions. One of them is, why did Jesus say that it would have been better for Judas to not have been born if in the end, all creation is saved? I love your channel btw and pray that you are right.

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

There is a lot of content at this channel that will deepen your understanding of Universal Restoration, it's actually why Christ came, to be the Savior of the world. As far as Judas being better off having never been born you have to remember Jesus commonly used hyperbolical language. That's even an expression we use today. Christ might have said that about himself considering what he had to go through. I'm certain Judas will be just fine in the end.

[@IanBouchardInstrumentals]

@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Thank you. And yesI do love watching your videos. Always looking forward to new uploads.

[@GamingsMostAmazingSoundtracks]

@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 I remember you had a video on lust but deleted so please re-upload it or just make a new one because a lot of people need help with that it shouldn’t be something that you delete.

[@LarryLarpwell]

keep pressing in

[@dutchmcgee101]

​@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838my favorite progressive metal album of all time is The Seraphic Clockwork by Vanden Plas. It's about an amnesiac Judas who didn't betray Jesus and he has to go back in time to betray Jesus, otherwise the world will end. Love your channel by the way.

[@StobbeTime]

I have always wanted to love people the way Hashem loves people and draw them to Yeshua. I’ve never wanted to judge people and give up on them.

[@StobbeTime]

I don’t understand why I was blinded from this truth for so long.

[@404NotFoundIDontCare]

when the student is ready the teacher will appear

[@tomm6167]

The mistranslation of _aionios_ as eternal in most English Bibles was my biggest barrier.

[@slappymcghee9515]

Set aside all of your proof .. if you just look at the nature and character of the father of Jesus the way he put it, you could never picture that character torturing people forever.

[@herberttaylor466]

Listen and believe the Refreshing truth and be blessed. Amen

[@paulpaulsen7245]

God does not operate with fear. He has given us the spirit of trust, cf. 2 Tim 1:7.

[@paulpaulsen7245]

@@franciscafazzo3460 , you are right. Nevertheless, the Jesus I know personally, whom Paul called Christ, is far from operating with fear. Otherwise I wouldn´t care a flying fuck for God. You hear me, Mr Cafazzo?

[@LanguageBLOX1_Alt]

@@paulpaulsen7245 Pauls letters are a bit distant (to me) from Jesus's actual vision, yet so many follow them.

[@StobbeTime]

I do agree the idea of an eternal punishment/hell never made sense to me. I do agree that all of mankind should be reconciled back to Hashem as well. The idea that even Satan and the Fallen Angels will be reconciled is a new concept to me. Considering they caused the fall of mankind. I will continue to watch your videos to gain understanding. I do believe that if one man caused all mankind to sin then redemption and eternal life should come to all men through one man the Messiah Yeshua. I do believe over time as man continues to suffer he will eventually believe in Yeshua and come to Hashem to be perfected.

[@graemegeorgeharrison2468]

I hope you’re right 🙏🏻

[@O_tropos]

It is true 1tim4:10 no need to hope for it

[@kevinrombouts3027]

Thank you. I very much value your videos. Very convincing.

[@kathryncollins8708]

What do you think of the concordant version?

[@Metarig]

God bless you

[@storytime6263]

I find alot of issues started with Catholicism not Jesus.

[@goblintown]

Doing the Lord’s work

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

I love this❤God is merciful and just.

[@CNich90]

God bless you!

[@user-cz8gi2om3n]

I have no problem with the idea that there are some people who will never choose to admit to their wrongdoing or never take responsibility for it and so their "correction" would necessarily last forever. What i take issue is with Aquinas notion that the will is "locked" in one direction upon death. If we no long have the same free will we had when we were alive, how can we be even said to be conscious anymore?

[@tomm6167]

For your consideration, here's another way to think about human free will ... "What father holding his little girl’s hand crossing a busy street would ever let it go? The more she pulls, the tighter he squeezes. There is no way she is going anywhere! Is God any different? The argument that a person can choose hell by rejecting God as a result of 'free' will is in effect saying a little girl has more strength than her dad. God has given man a 'measure' of free will, but certainly not to the degree that He would allow him or her to damn themselves forever in torment. Is God less of a parent than we are (Matt. 7:11)? We extend increasing freedom to our children as they mature. Too much too soon is disastrous. He knows just how much freedom we need for our development. God, as Creator, is owner of all things (Psalm 2:8; Ezek. 18:4; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:2), and that includes you and I. He has never relinquished that title. Only He has absolute 'free' will over His property. Should we be forever lost, He would be the loser and God is not a loser! Many say hell is locked on the inside. But how? Christ has the keys! (Rev. 1:18). Many believe God’s hands are tied; as much as He would like to keep us, He is unable. But, is our power to destroy His property really greater than His power to preserve or restore it? How 'free' and powerful are we? What role did we play in controlling our life experiences that have made us what we are? Will we deliberately choose what sufferings we will undergo in the future that inevitably will affect what we become? What intricacies of our reasoning processes, which determine our decisions, do we fully control?" -- Gerry Beauchemin, _Hope Beyond Hell,_ 2010, pg. 38

[@childofgodministries96]

Revelation 14: 9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” Where can you find me a verse that says those in the lake of fire will be saved?

[@artlovelife5525]

Look through his videos. He has several videos on the lake of fire.

[@childofgodministries96]

@@artlovelife5525 I have there's no Bible verse tho that says there will be a 3rd resurrection. I am leaning towards universal reconciliation tho. Just not a lot of proof

[@mtpta4947]

Those who take the mark of the beast....who gets thrown in? Those who take the mark of the beast Have you met anyone who's taken the mark of the beast? Also...keep in mind brimstone is sulphur which is a fumigation agent and aion is a word referring to ages not an infinite amount of duration

[@william.simonsen5728]

In genesis why did god regret creating people? Did he think that he made a mistake? What does the verse mean?

[@juanlemos80]

Great question!

[@nanayebusiness1568]

Matthew 26:46 in the original Greek "And these will go away into eternal punishement, but the righteous into eternal life." Revelations 20:15 also in the origianl Greek says: "Anyone whose name was not found written in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire." (People are judged by what they did in life. Not by works, but by their heart.) Jesus saves everyone from the jaws of death if they choose to have faith in Him. And lot of people don't so they will have to face an eternal consequence. Why would God do this? Because God doesn’t want evil to dwell among his righteous children. He cares for our well-being. Its the same with Adam in the garden. He died spiritually because Adam chose to disobey God. God saw this as evil and push them out of the garden. I think there is misinterpretation going on here. You also have to read the full chapter and not cherry pick what sounds good.

[@ronm6349]

Thank you brother

[@thevikingofhardcheese4080]

Hi The Total Victory Of Christ, May I ask your thoughts on The Biggest Jesus KZbinr? He is another Universalist and says that when people die they are quite literally *dead* , and after sometime (earlier than none-believers) they will be resurrected into God’s Kingdom. He cites biblical passages to support this claim. Essentially they don’t immediately arrive in heaven upon death according to him. It is a bit different to the kind of universalism I’ve grown accustomed to. May I ask your thoughts?

[@damonjesus445]

I'm pretty sure Paul says: "To be absent in the body, is to be present with the Lord," and something along the lines of (paraphrasing): we have but one life, then the judgement. Which implies immediate judgement, but Jesus implies a period of time between death and judgement, when He talks about sleeping in death. Paul talks about those who sleep (being dead) as well. From our (the living's) perspective, it could be a long time, but instantaneous for the deceased? I'm not certain. Either way, God bless, in Jesus' name. The Gospel is 1 Cor 15; 1-4.

[@thevikingofhardcheese4080]

Hi @@damonjesus445 , Thank you. 🙂 Yeah I’m not sure of what to make of it (if the deceased that are believers say) go straight to the Kingdom or are literally dead until resurrected into the Kingdom upon judgement. I personally would hope for the former but mabye that is simply wishful thinking. I cannot say. Regardless thank you for your writing back. 🙂 God bless brother.

[@O_tropos]

Death is literal. It is the opposite of life. If death isnt literal then the snake did not really lie to Eve when he said that you will not die when you eat of the tree. If you are aware in a death state then there is not really much difference to life is there? You just simply "change locations". Here are some bible verses that supports that death is really dead: eccl9:5, eccl12:7 Death is a return. Think about it, if death is a return that means you're going back to where you came from. Do you remember anything of where you came from?

[@O_tropos]

Paul did say this, but he would be in a contradiction if he meant that you would be immediately with the Lord. Because in 1thes4:16-17 he says that first the death will rise, then the living will go TOGETHER with them up in the air to meet the Lord. Now if you would die and go immediately with the lord that that verse(17) wouldnt make sense right? Now what Paul meant is that when he dies he is not aware of anything. So in persective for the person that dies, he is immediately with the lord (because he has no concept of time). For example when you're asleep you are not aware of the (roughly) 8 hours that has passed by. The living (those awake) are aware that 8 hours have past the dead (those asleep) are not. Now if you're waiting for something to happen 8 hours from now would it FEEL quicker if you slept 8 hours and woke up at the right moment or if you're awake for 8 hours? Paul is asleep right now, the next time he wakes up he will see our Lord. Same goes for the judgment you have 1 life and the next thing YOU (the dead) notice is either judgment or Christ picking you up to be with Him. It's all about perspective. @@damonjesus445

[@O_tropos]

@@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb what are you talking about? Jesus is no angel hebrews1:5 is clear on that

[@thanevakarian9762]

Thoughts on the idea that our sins against an infinite/unending God require an infinite/unending penalty and that’s the true reason why it must be unending?

[@LanguageBLOX1_Alt]

To me it doesn't make sense because, okay he's unending? And? Why would that equate to unending punishment? Its like trying to say a pole will rot just like a banana because they're both long.

[@tomm6167]

Here's what our infinite/unending God thinks about endless punishment: "I will not contend forever, nor will I always be angry; for the spirit would grow faint before me, and the breath of life that I made." (Isaiah 57:16) "The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end." (Lamentations 3:22) "The Lord will not cast off forever." (Lamentations 3:31) "He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in mercy." (Micah 7:18)

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

God is Eternal, so His punishment is Eternal punishment, but that doesn't mean endless. Great video❤ new sub

[@kathleenwharton2139]

As long as you don’t obey Jesus Commandments in the Sermon on the Mount..you Punish yourself! Obeying His Commandments brings you Great Peace. 😊❤

[@JesusIsAlphaOmega001]

That is not the gospel.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

@@JesusIsAlphaOmega001 The Sermon on the Mount is Jesus Very Gospel. You are listening to the commandments of Men..like the Pharisees.

[@-88012]

The Bible has so many different views, and I have studied about all of them. I don't know what is correct anymore, to be honest. I have done so much research on Abrahamic doctrines. I know what Christians believe, I know what Muslims believe, and I know what Jews believe. I have done my reasearch on the history of the world and "conspiracies." I have studied the bible, apocrypha, enoch, qur'an, talmud, nag hammadi, mormon beliefs, jehovah's witnesses, adventists, etc. I have studied eternal torment, annihilation, and universalism. I have studied the different views of eschatology and the list goes on. I want the complete 100% truth not man's opinions. The answer really is that none of us actually know. We claim to be experts, but we are fooling ourselves. God may not be the author of confusion, but we all seem to be. The more you learn, the more you want to go back to being ignorant.

[@AllInForYah]

Can you tell me what you do know? Yes there are still a lot of questions, but the more you learn, you do find out and learn and know SOME things. Just not everything. Please tell me what you know (if you can).

[@Duarteyahoo272]

Yes i completely understand you, ive been there a few times. My advice is to ask God to reveal the truth to you. If you have tried this in the past and it didnt seem like God answered you, ask again, and with faith that you will be answered. Thats all i can reccomend, wishing you all the best :)

[@-88012]

@@AllInForYah A lot of the stuff I believe would never make it past KZbin censorship. It would be deleted, as soon as I posted it. We would also be here forever, as I would have a lot to explain. Just know this, I read the Bible literally and much of what I believe would be quickly shut up by pastors and would go over the heads of 99.9% of the people sitting in the pews. I left the churches, because I know modern churchianity is off in left field.

[@JTomas96]

You have studied too much extra-biblical stuff therefore it seems you don't know your bible enough: "Reject PROFANE fables ... God is the Saviour of ALL MEN, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO BELIVE, THIS COMMAND AND TEACH"1Tim4:9-11 In other words, quit playing the hypocrite: If you say Jesus is not the savior of all men then you are a heretic. Without Judgement, we cannot have salvation as in:"Zion shall be saved with jugement" Isaiah 1 Even Jesus never taught an unending fire but the word is Aion which means Eon. Notice we don't have eternal fire in the OT either. In fact Jesus talked IN PARABLES LOL. After saying about that fire "never ends" He said: "...For ALL shall be salted with fire" SO IS ALL HUMANITY GOING TO HELL FOREVER? HE EVEN SAID: "...You will not get out of there(Hell) TILL YOU HAVE PAID THE LAST penny". AGAIN, READ IN CONTEXT AND REJECT PROFANE FABLES. --------------- Maybe you don't understand the idiom of Rev 14:11. WHAT A COINCIDENCE ALL THIS PAGAN FALSE DOCTRINE HAS BEEN BASED ON A HEBREW IDIOM. REMEMBER OVER LITERALISM IS IDOLATRY, AND THIS IS NOT EVEN LITERAL, JUST AN IDIOM WHICH MEANS "GREAT": If I say "this is the age of ages" that means "this is a great age compared to those ages", if I say "THE SONG OF SONGS" I mean: "this is a great song compared with those songs", so "the ages of ages" means the great two ages that we see in revelation which is mistranslated as forever and ever. As always WE CAN'T BASE OUR BELIEFS IN IGNORING IDIOMS WHICH IS IDOLATRY. THOSE TWO GREAT AGES ARE CALLED GREAT BECAUSE CHRIST REIGNS IN THEM: THe millenium and when new jerusalem descends. First of all is the death of death aka second death, all men ARE FORCED TO HAVE ORIGINAL SIN PLUS ORIGINAL JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE (ROM 5:18). AUGUSTINE WAS A HERETIC JUST LIKE CALVIN, THIS IS THE LAST TIMES WHEN WE HAVE DOCTRINES OF DEMONS JUST READ 1 TIM 4 AGAIN: "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons ... For bodily exercise(BODY OF SIN) profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. 9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. 10For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11These things command and teach."1Tim4 ARE YOU SUFFERING REPROACH FROM OTHER "CHRISTIANS" BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN OR JUST DENYING THAT HE IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL THEREFORE BRINGING CONDEMNATION UPON YOURSELF? REMEMBER "ALL WONDERED AFTER THE BEAST", THIS IS WHAT MY PREVIOUS PASTOR DID, HE KNEW I WAS RIGHT BUT BECAUSE HE LOVED HIS POSITION AS A PASTOR HE WOULDN'T DENY IT AND CONDEMENED ME. THAT'S WHAT THIS FAKE ZIONIST PROTESTANTISM PLUS THAT FAKE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS DONE TO CHRISTIANITY, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE. --------------------- PLEASE ASK ME ANYTHING. NO OFFENCE BUT YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW THE PURPOSE OF HIS BLOOD: "and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross."Col1:20 YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THE MINISTRY OF HIS WILL: that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth-in Him. AND ON TOP OF EVERYTHING YOU DON'T KNOW THE MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION. WHICH IS IN "PAST" TENSE, BECAUSE IT IS DONE! FROM AN ETERNAL STANDPOINT: "and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them"2Cor5 WE NEED HELL IN ORDER TO PUR-IFY THE UNBELIEVING. PUR MEANS FIRE IN GREEK. PLEASE ASK ANYTHING.

[@-88012]

@@Duarteyahoo272 I appreciate your thoughtful reply. Thanks

[@seanmick3093]

I trusted in the Lord of Jesus Christ as my personal savior into my heart through faith alone, and not of works, by accepting his free gift of salvation, by his grace on February 16, 1996, each day, I confess sins for process of sanctification, to receive Jesus Christ as your personal savior, please refer to Matthew 10:28, John 3:16-18:36, 5:24, 6:37:47, 10:27-29, 14:6, Acts 2:38, 16:30-31, Luke 15:10, Romans 1:16, 3:23, 4:5, 6:23, 10:9-10:13, Ephesians 2:8-10, and Titus 3:5. God bless the world, and thank you for sharing.

[@franciscafazzo3460]

quit boasting of self sir

[@seanmick3093]

@@franciscafazzo3460 I am only sharing my faith.

[@scotthaynes5440]

With all these videos you have done, I cant see how you could communicate it any better. Personally I am leaning in your direction. My first eye opener was reading “that all shall be saved” by David Bentley Heart. I just got done reading “ the doors of the sea” another one of his. Then read Gregory of Nyssa commentary on 1 Corinthians 15:28 and some of his commentary on the life of Moses. In addition to this channel I found some lectures by Fr. John Behr to be quite interesting. I also like some of the scholarly work done by NT Wright and the late DR Michael Heiser, although they are not Christian universalists. One thing I would point out is in Greek orthodoxy both Gregory of Nyssa and Augustine and both venerated as saints. This in spite of the fact that they are on the opposite ends of this issue. Today in America Protestantism it would seem that one would have to be declared a heretic.

[@jamescurry3746]

Dont be decieved. This is a false preacher. He is using this for his own gain and cares little if you go to hell. Jesus talked about hell and eternal damnation over 60 times. read my comment thats long i explain the truth there. Jesus is the only way to life nothing else can save you. head my warning. He is preaching a false Jesus. There is a heaven and hell. I implore you do not go to hell. Understand that a lot of these people who claim to understand and disect the bible, know nothing about the bible and only do it for the world not for Jesus. always remember youtube pays people for subscribers and views. He is doing this for money. just read the unedited bible for yourself. only Jesus can save you from death and eternal damnation. Repent and accept Gods grace. God wants you to be in heaven. like i said in my own comment. Narrow is the path that leads to life, and broad is the path that leads to destruction and death. I told a friend one time that even if my own family chose the broad path, I will always chose the narrow. path. Hope you find the truth, turn to Jesus and ask God to show you the truth. Always remember Jesus is the only way to heaven.

[@CodyBuchanan700]

​@@jamescurry3746there is no hell

[@william.simonsen5728]

The total victory of Christ do you have a video on the word eternal when it comes to eternal life ?

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

I've mentioned it is several videos, and I did do this short presentation kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJjJZneHndWph9Esi=DYoHpulDLobsUzPS

[@O_tropos]

Eternal life is an incorrect translation. It's life of the coming age(s). However Jesus did present immortality with His death and resurrection. Thus the life and the body that the body of Christ will receive is immortal. However this has nothing to do with aionian life

[@william.simonsen5728]

@@O_tropos ok thx😊

[@william.simonsen5728]

@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 keep sharing the truth god bless❤️

[@william.simonsen5728]

@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 do you have a video talking about romans In the Bible? Do we have free will and can we choose to believe in god and obey him or does god have to make us believe him and serve him and so ?

[@SticksNkicks]

ALL will come to the knowledge of the truth.

[@MasterporkyMinch]

Great video as always total victory !!! I hope you tackle annihilationism more since it seems to have quite a bit of folks who follow it

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

I think defending Universal Restoration is a good way to put the false doctrine of annihilationism to rest.

[@LanguageBLOX1_Alt]

Annihilationism is a rather atheistic view of death, a view that after death a pure soul created of God will just completely corrupt and get destroyed.

[@JMRabil675]

Still waiting for a video on a universalist explaining Rev 14 and Rev 20-21. Never seen any even TRY to explain. Curious if this video explains it, I doubt it. Lets see.

[@artlovelife5525]

He has several videos on it.

[@mtpta4947]

You need the previous chapter to make sense.... Those who take the mark (as said by the angel)of the beast are thrown into the fire with brimstone. And forever and eternal in their original languages don't always mean and unending duration on time. Owlam and Aion often mean ages Also remember the word hell is a substituted word. The Israelites don't have a concept of a place of unending fiery torment for an infinite period of time The early church added that. As a matter of fact for the first 400 years of church history Eventual Universal Reconciliation was taught

[@mtpta4947]

Also brimstone which is sulphur is a fumigation agent

[@tomm6167]

@@mtpta4947 Absolutely correct: Pre-Roman civilizations used sulfur as a medicine, a fumigant, a bleaching agent and in incense. The ancient Greeks used sulfur to fumigate, to purify, to cleanse and consecrate to the deity. For example, in Homer's _Iliad,_ in Book 16, a goblet is purified with sulfur. For example, in Homer's _Odyssey,_ in Book 22, we find: "Bring me sulfur, which cleanses all pollution, and fetch fire also that I may burn it, and purify the cloisters." The Romans used sulfur as an insecticide, and to purify a sick room to cleanse its air of evil. For millennia, gold has been refined with fire _and sulfur,_ because of its ideal chemical properties. ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap2riKlqr7Jqn6M )

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

I have been somewhat leaning towards this view for a bit myself. Although I'd be lying If I said I were 100% convinced so far. Not in any fault of people like yourself, or the text, but perhaps I am just stiffnecked and it takes me awhile to accept some things. Not that i want eternal hell to be true, but I dont want to easily lean into any kind of universalism either, especially given my salvation experience. There was very obvio8sly a time before I was saved from my sins, and I habe trouble reconciling that with any kind of universalist ideas, or universalism leaning ideas.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

High Church Protestants care about the Creeds but not all, especially not those of us who identify as Evangelical or Fundamentalist. And most Protestants who care about the Creed consider the Athanasian Creed just as important as Nicaea which is a huge problem for us Universalists. I happen to agree with everything in the original Nicene Creed but the so called Nicene-Constantinople Creed I have two problems with. 1. Saying "begotten before all Ages" is a Semi-Arian Heresy, in The Bible the only Begetting of Jesus is in the Womb of Mary. 2. The the stuff at the end about "One Universal Church", Ekkelsia in The Bible refers to local Congregations not a Universal Church. Now I do support the Revision's elaboration on The Holy Spirit. And I agree with "His Kingdom shall have no End" and the Age to Come line you based video on is also justifiable. But such things need to be argued for based on Scripture not the Creeds.

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

Actually most evangelical congregations do hold to the creed. And those church fathers who gave us this creed are far more knowledgeable than you give them credit for, Jesus said, "Now, Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world existed." - John 17:5 So basically this, you can't have an eternal Father without an eternal Son. Isaiah 9:6

[@Kuudere-Kun]

@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Jesus is Eternal but He did not have the title of Son until the Incarnation. The Father has always been The Father because He's the Father of All.

[@mythacat1]

I agree thaf Eternal Torment is not scriptural, however I believe that people are punished and then cease to exist. In psalms and prophets it articulates in many places the soul of the wicked ceases/is consumed/destroyed. It'd be great if universal reconciliation was true though.

[@O_tropos]

have you read 1tim4:10, romans5:18, 1cor15:22 or col1:20? It is true

[@mythacat1]

@@O_tropos So, then do you reckon that hell is a place of correction before people are made redeemed? Those are interesting and compelling, but seem to go against things found elsewhere in the bible.

[@O_tropos]

@@mythacat1 hell is not even in the greek and hebrew manuscripts. It is either Gehenna, hades or Sheol(hebrew) i made a short video about this on my channel. The correction wont be done in death but when people are resurrected (alive) for the judgment. Those that wont receive aionian life will be thrown into the lake of fire(which i believe is an actual place, sodom and gomorra is now a lake of fire) they will die a second time therefore it's called the 2nd death. If you want more info I'd be happy to provide more info.

[@StobbeTime]

Why would you be punished then cease to exist? Why not just cease to exist? You don’t think Hashem is capable of saving all mankind?

[@StobbeTime]

Is this where the Jews got the concept of Gehenna? They say souls go there to be corrected before they can have eternal life. They also teach reincarnation where souls return to be corrected. I agree with reincarnation.

[@Mr.Wahoo77]

2 Thessalonians 1:9 is Annihilationism. Universalism but separate from God?

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

2 Thessalonians 1:9 is likely pointing to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. as Christ predicted would occur in that generation. And it merely says they suffer destruction "αἰώνιον", meaning of the age. Not "everlasting" as commonly translated.

[@Mr.Wahoo77]

@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 thanks so much.

[@AK2NY2AL]

Thank you for your work on this channel. Keep it up!

[@BarakMiller]

The remnant believers are outside the institutional church right?The power was taken away at the end of the first century because of disobedience and false doctrine wasn’t it? We have to be like lambs and do no violence for any reason to be Yeshua’s disciples true?

[@doriesse824]

Is it possible this is another "semantic drift" to say "the whole world" meant then what it means to us today? Many are teaching it was the "known" world of that time, which was the Roman Empire, extending over to the British Isles, and other places, but not everywhere we know the world to be today.y Jesus did say He had only come for the lost sheep of the House of Israel, which again is not what is commonly thought of today. Is there a way to nail this down exactly?

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

The Greek word for "world" actually means the entire cosmos [κόσμου]. It's actually where we get our word cosmos. Sounds inclusive to me. Jesus only coming for the lost sheep of Israel was rhetorical, he was actually rebuking his disciples by testing the faith of the Canaanite women. He knew she would pass the test by demonstrating her great humility and faith before the disciples. Then Jesus answered her, “Woman, great is your faith! Be it done to you even as you desire.” - Matt. 15.28 So Jesus was teaching them a lesson, don’t look down on anyone, this woman demonstrated great faith! Something they didn't expect.

[@O_tropos]

I slightly disagree with you. Jesus His first coming was for the house of israel(mat15:24). The 12 apostles were send to the house of israel (mat10:5-6). However the 13th apostle was send to the nations (acts13:46-47). Paul is the apostle for the nations (rom11:13-14). There are in fact two gospels one for israelites (the twelve) and one for the nations (Paul) (gal2:7-9). The truth however remains that God IS the Savior of ALL people, especially those that believe.@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838

[@doriesse824]

@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Don't look down on anyone? He started out by calling her a dog, a very derogatory term in those days. Strong's Greek Lexicon - G2889 - kosmos an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government · ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', ...

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

@@doriesse824 Throughout the Old Testament the enemies of Israel are called "dogs". For example, Psalm 22:16 a prophesy of Christ reads, "Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet." Turned out to be Roman soldiers. So by calling her that Jesus was playing up to the prejudices of his disciples, that they look down on her as God's enemy. But of course Christ knew this women would stun them with her humility and great faith. And that was a set up for the Christian movement that reached out to the whole world. Christ was actually shattering those prejudices. Don't pre-judge anyone based on appearances! God's people could be where you least expect to find them and look nothing like you expect them to look.

[@doriesse824]

@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 How would you respond here? This doesn't sound like chiding or playing up to the disciples. Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. Matt 7:6

[@jamesanderson9287]

Endless, Eternal is in the Doctrine and Covenants, so is Endless punishment

[@O_tropos]

No it is not

[@alwaysadawg6488]

The eternal nature of the covenants in no way requires punishment to be eternal. There is no logical or biblical connection.

[@thanevakarian9762]

Just looked up aeturnus and every synonym in English was eternal, perpetual, forever etc. even the “of an age” definition when I clicked it said that means forever. It sounds like you’re saying they meant of an age not eternal but it seems like of an age meant forever regardless… Age Long = eternal, lasting, perpetual, of an age

[@O_tropos]

look up the greek word aeon and see what it means. If you're interested I can show you through scripture why that word cannot mean eternal.

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

That's because "eternal" does mean endless in English, so when you go to those sources you're looking at a circular definition. It doesn't matter what it means in English, it only matters what it meant to St. Jerome in the 4th century. This adjective comes from the Latin word "aevum" which means "an age". Here's an entry from an etymology dictionary www.etymonline.com/word/eternal That bible even confirms this, Paul taught that the reign of the Messiah is for an age, until every knee as bowed and the reign of the kingdom is handed back to the father (1 Cor. 15).

[@thanevakarian9762]

@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Look i hope that’s right. I hope God is even more merciful and loving than we can fathom. How long has endless punishment been the standard for Christianity now? Don’t you think the Holy Spirit would have corrected that teaching right away? That’s a massively important detail. I clicked the link you sent and it gave me the same thing I find everywhere. eternal (adj.) late 14c., from Old French eternel "eternal," or directly from Late Latin aeternalis, from Latin aeternus "of an age, lasting, enduring, permanent, everlasting, endless," contraction of aeviternus "of great age," from aevum "age" (from PIE root *aiw- "vital force, life; long life, eternity"). Why would age abiding life mean everlasting life in heaven but age abiding punishment only be temporary?

[@thanevakarian9762]

@@O_troposplease do

[@chronicallychristian6625]

I quickly looked up the strongs entry for this word. It says the word means endless. Clearly, this video's message is debatable and not definitive.

[@thanevakarian9762]

Yeah seems pretty clear it means forever Aka unending.

[@O_tropos]

you looked up the word aeon? I don't think you did though since it clearly does not mean endless. for example look up hebrews 1:2 and then hebrews 1:8. The same word means something different 6 verses later, how is that possible?

[@O_tropos]

I dont think you've searched for that word have you?@@thanevakarian9762

[@quantumweirdness1710]

Look up the word on BDAG or on the LSJ. Those are better lexicons.

[@storytime6263]

From I gather ghe correction should last as long as the rule on earth is around amd the new heavens and new earth will be for all.

[@aservantofJEHOVAH7849]

Matthew Ch.25:41 NIV"“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."is it your position then that Satan and his angels will inherit paradise at some future time. Matthew Ch.12:31,32NIV"“So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven-except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world(Age) or in the world to come."

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

Your objections have been covered at this channel. The metaphors of fire and punishment in the New Testament, such as the "furnace of fire" in Matt. 13.50 are refining metaphors from the Old Testament. (Proverbs 17:3, Proverbs 27:21, Malachi 3:2-4, Isaiah 1:22-27, Isaiah 48:10, Psalm 12:6, Deuteronomy 4:20) Also in the original Greek text Jesus said that those who blaspheme the the Holy Spirit will "not" forgiven in this age or the next, the word "never" isn't in the passage. Which is to say if you do this here, or there, or anywhere you will be punished. That passage does not teach endless punishment.

[@aservantofJEHOVAH7849]

@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 fire means destruction the same destruction visited on Satan and his angels will be visited on those who unrepentantly follow him. Malachi Ch.4:1NIV"“Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the LORD Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them." Clearly alluding to annihiliation. Why mention that Sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven if in fact it will inevitably be forgiven. I still haven't heard as to whether Satan will also be refined. If this fire can render sinners pure and fit for eternal life . Then Christ suffering was for nothing was it not? Hebrews Ch.10:26,27NIV"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will CONSUME(not refine)the enemies of God. "

[@avivastudios2311]

3:50 This implies that heaven is not eternal. I feel like you're getting something wrong here.

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

It is. The bible says that of the kingdom there shall be no end, and that the resurrection of the dead is a resurrection into immortality. But the biblical writers were always referring to the transitional age of the Messiah's reign, which comes to an end when the last enemy is under the feet of Christ, an act of submission. At that time the kingdom will be handed back to the the Father that God may be "all in all" (1 Cor. 15)

[@tomm6167]

This isn't the first understatement in the Bible (if it can even be called an understatement -- see thetotalvictoryofchrist9838's reply). For example, the phrase "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" understates the number of people that God is God of. This interpretation doesn't threaten eternal life for believers, because many other verses, which don't use _aionios,_ do promise eternal life: (a) verses that include "immortality," "imperishable," "unfading" or "incorruptible" (1 Cor. 9:25, 15:42, 51-55, 2 Tim. 1:10, 1 Pet. 1:3-4,23, 5:4) (b) Isa. 25:8, Hos. 13:14, Luke 20:36, John 6:37, Rom. 8:19-21, 38-39, 1 Cor. 15:26, Rev. 20:14, 21:4.

[@tsc7299]

Endless means no end. ( It's called Eternity ) You can slice that pie however you like, but it will always taste the same. Stop twisting and trying to confuse people.

[@O_tropos]

It's proof to me that you really don't care to listen. The word aeon does not mean eternal. Study your bible and you'll find out

[@Nate-bn5kk]

​@@O_troposAlthough he didn't give a foundation of his disagreement, I agree with him. This whole video was centered around the creed, the creed was written by the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church has historically and frequently misunderstood what Jesus taught us. And the portion of the creed that this issue of the word eternal was referring to was the dead in crist that Jesus will rise up, the people who believe in Jesus that perished on earth. Not just everyone, but only the believers in Christ, will their bodies be made new in the time to come. This is a great example of how the Catholic Church has gotten so much wrong, they leave out so much and only take snips of what the word says so that they can continue to follow their cultist practices.

[@O_tropos]

@@Nate-bn5kk You see the thing is Im not interested in what church leaders decided as creeds. What I'm talking about is to study the word aeon by yourself. Unless you refuse it, you will come to understand that aeon can never mean eternal. You can look it up for yourself quite easily. Look at hebrew1 and then verse 2 and 8. Both use the word aeon. Both have entirely different meanings. Dont just take my word for it. Search. Also if you just google what the greek word aeon means you'll see that it doesnt mean eternal

[@Nate-bn5kk]

@@O_tropos Good! Always stick to the word over what men say. And again, this video's argument is centered around the Catholic creed which I think we can establish is leaving out important facts about God's word.

[@O_tropos]

@@Nate-bn5kk be that as it may, it is still true that God IS the Savior of ALL people, especially those that believe 1tim4:10. There will be aionian punishment. That's age abinded punishment. It does not mean eternally

[@AlphaStudios-lh1rz]

So you basically believe in a form of purgatory.

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

Yes, Christians always believed in purgatory, at least since the 2nd century until sometime after the reformation. Although originally it was applied to all mankind. It's actually very obvious in scripture, this presentation goes over exactly where: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6nVfnyKhr2ga6Msi=fn3uyW-4R0yCRqCh

[@rogerjohnson833]

It is, where the worm dieth not, and the fire quenches not,see (Mk.9:48)(Rev.20:10) and (Rev.14:10,11).

[@tomm6167]

Mark 9:48 -- The phrase "unquenchable fire" simply means fire that won't go out until it has accomplished its purpose. The ancient Greeks always used it this way, and so does the Bible. For instance, Jeremiah prophesied that an unquenchable fire would destroy Jerusalem (Jer. 7:20; 17:27). He was right. Jerusalem burned to the ground. But it's not still burning today. When Jesus and John the Baptist warned the people about an unquenchable fire that was coming, they were saying that there was judgment coming that they wouldn't be able to stop once it starts. They weren't saying it would last forever. More examples of "unquenchable" or a variant not meaning forever: ... my wrath will be kindled against this place, and it will not be quenched. (2 Kings 22:17) ... my wrath will be poured out on this place and will not be quenched. (2 Chr. 34:25) O house of David! Thus says the Lord: 'Execute justice in the morning, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed, lest my wrath go forth like fire, and burn with none to quench it, because of your evil deeds.''' (Jer. 21:12) Behold, I will kindle a fire in you, and it shall devour every green tree in you and every dry tree. The blazing flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from south to north shall be scorched by it." (Ezek. 20:47-48) Seek the Lord and live, lest he break out like fire in the house of Joseph, and it devour, with none to quench it for Bethel. (Amos 5:6) See also Lev. 6:13, Isa. 1:31, Isa. 34:10 There aren't any biblical examples of "unquenchable" meaning forever. For more, see kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6LCepmvhZxjZ9k from The Total Victory of Christ. Rev 20:10 & 14:10-11 say "forever and ever" but this is a mistranslation. See The Total Victory of Christ's videos on "aion."

[@thehungarywaffleinc.7775]

I don’t believe in sola scriptura so I don’t really think it’s wise to believe you have cracked the code

[@TanjaVK1968]

If age- abiding punishment is not endless, then age-abiding life is not endless either! ?! Kind of confusing...Though i believe Bible is CLEAR that when ALL are resurrected IN CHRIST there CANNOT be punishment any more because risen Christ dies no more and death is the punishment for sin. 🙂

[@tomm6167]

There are three nontraditional ways to interpret _aionios_ in Matthew 25:46: ------------------ *Interpretation #1 -- **_aionios_** is temporary for both sheep and goats* (1) _Aionios_ almost always means "eonios" or "of an eon" or "of an age," just like it sounds. I could give many examples. So in this particular verse, Jesus was only promising to the righteous "sheep" life in the age to come -- not eternal life. This isn't the first understatement in the Bible. For example, the phrase "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" understates the number of people God is God of. (2) This interpretation doesn't threaten eternal life for believers, because many other verses, which don't use _aionios,_ do promise eternal life: (a) verses that include "immortality," "imperishable," "unfading" or "incorruptible" (1 Cor. 9:25, 15:42, 51-55, 2 Tim. 1:10, 1 Pet. 1:3-4,23, 5:4) (b) Isa. 25:8, Hos. 13:14, Luke 20:36, John 6:37, Rom. 8:19-21, 38-39, 1 Cor. 15:26, Rev. 20:14, 21:4. (3) In Matt. 25:46, the _aionios_ punishment for the unrighteous "goats" is also "of an age" (Point 1). (4) Therefore, the traditional argument is invalid. Life is eternal for the righteous "sheep" (Points 2a & 2b), while the Matt. 25:46 punishment for the unrighteous "goats" is temporary (Point 3). ------------------ *Interpretation #2 -- **_aionios_** is endless for sheep but temporary for goats* An adjective *can* means two different things in the same sentence. Examples: *_aionios_** in Rom. **16:25**-26,* Habakkuk 3:6, "A huge man is climbing a huge mountain." "Jesus is referring to two completely different things -- life and punishment. Eternal life is divine life that comes from God. That divine life never ends. Eternal punishment is divine punishment from His hand. The duration of that divine punishment may certainly be temporary, lasting only until it accomplishes its purpose." -- George Sarris, _Heaven's Doors,_ 2017, pg. 140 "Augustine raised the argument that since _aionios_ in Mt. 25:46 referred to both life and punishment, it had to carry the same duration in both cases. However, he failed to consider that the duration of _aionios_ is determined by the subject to which it refers. For example, when _aionios_ referred to the duration of Jonah's entrapment in the fish, it was limited to three days. To a slave, _aionios_ referred to his life span. To the Aaronic priesthood, it referred to the [time] preceding the Melchizedek priesthood. To Solomon's temple, it referred to 400 years. To God it encompasses and transcends time altogether." -- Gerry Beauchemin, _Hope Beyond Hell,_ 2010, pg. 26 In other words, _aionios_ doesn't make God eternal, but God makes _aionios_ eternal. ------------------ *Interpretation #3 -- **_aionios_** is indeterminate for both sheep and goats* Jesus meant in Matt. 25:46 what he said in John 17:3: "And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." There, "eternal" _(aionios)_ means "spiritual" or "divine," and has no specified time frame. ------------------ *Conclusion:* It's extremely likely that one of these three nontraditional interpretations is correct, especially considering the long list of scriptures teaching, implying or strongly suggesting ultimate restoration: John 1:29, 4:42, 12:32, 17:2, combination of (John 3:35, 6:37), Rom. 5:18-19, 8:19-21, 11:32,36, 14:11 , *1 Cor. 15:22,28* , Eph. 1:10, Phil. 2:10-11, 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 5:13, 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Rev. 22:1,14-15,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, 65:2-3, 145:10a, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, 57:16, Lam. 3:22,31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3.

[@TanjaVK1968]

@@tomm6167 Thank you, 👍.

[@tomm6167]

@@TanjaVK1968 👍

[@emilykelly7453]

Those who believe in ECT do not want it to be true.. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven… We’re told that many will NEVER see the kingdom of God.

[@alwaysadawg6488]

Luke 3:5-6 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be made low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough places shall become level ways, and all flesh shall see the salvation of God. John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself. Romans 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. Romans 14:11 “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” 1 Corinthians 15:28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all. 1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. 1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. Revelation 5:13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!” (Note that it says "every creature". People who are eternally damned would not offer praise to God and to Jesus.) 2 Samuel 14:14 We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast. Psalm 30:5 For his anger is but for a moment, and his favor is for a lifetime. Weeping may tarry for the night, but joy comes with the morning. Psalm 145:9 The Lord is good to all, and his mercy is over all that he has made. Isaiah 45:22-23 “Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’ Lamentations 3:31-33 For the Lord will not cast off forever, but, though he cause grief, he will have compassion according to the abundance of his steadfast love; for he does not afflict from his heart or grieve the children of men.

[@tomm6167]

We're told in Matthew 12:32 that blaspheming the Holy Spirit won't be forgiven in this age or the next. But Ephesians 2:7 says there are at least two ages to come. Also, where are we told that many will never see the kingdom of God?

[@Noemie291]

@emilykelly7453 hey Emily! Do you still feel your soul? I lost mine, so I'm damned for eternity. If you still have your soul, you can still have hope.

[@Jaimelee711]

@@Noemie291I feel the same.😥

[@Noemie291]

@Jaimelee711 Did you do something really bad? I did. You can only lose your soul if you did something really bad. Why do you think you lose your soul? It's so awful. Being just flesh.... I miss my soul. It's so creepy not having one. Not being able to feel, suffer or love.

[@tangoseal1]

Then how do you explain Rev 14:11 - there is so much error in teaching against what is exactly said in Revelation. Also you are supposing that there is translational loss in the Word of God so you are thereby saying that God is fallible and incapable of maintain His perfect word across all translations that are legitimate. I disagree with all of your points and urge you to consider that the Word of God is infallibly written and protected across all epochs of human history.

[@Dekadin2]

weird take considering how many different translations there are and that some conflict with others.

[@O_tropos]

Your problem is thinking that rev14:11 is the end. Just because it is written in the last book of your bible. That's a mistake all of you christians make. Read 1cor15:26 who is the last enemy that will be defeated? How can it be defeated while you think that it is still around after rev14:11

[@quantumweirdness1710]

Read Ralph Bowles on Revelation 14. His view of the structure of this passage is compatible with universalism.

[@scottcatalanotto]

Universal Salvation in the sea of Glass in chapter 15 we see the wrath of God is complete the seas in the Bible represents nations of people's, the sands of the sea the people as God told Abraham in Genesis 22:17 I will surely bless you, and I will multiply your descendants like the stars in the sky and the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will possess the gates of their enemies. The gates is the heart which is to love their enemies to open up their heart just as God does ours. Revelation 15:1-4 (KJV) And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. This beast is the first Adam all who died in the first Adam "the creature". This sea of glass mingled with fire (not a literal fire) melted the sands of the seas together to become ONE peace of glass that will be praising God. The judgements of God are now made known to us to correct us not to torment. "Who will not fear God"? All who fear God of every nation shall be saved and acceptable to him. Acts 10:35 You should read the song of Moses that is mentioned in this verse its in Deuteronomy 32:1-43 “Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt” (Isa. 13:7). “The heart melteth and the knees smite together…” (Nah. 2:10). Joshua 2 : 11 And as soon as we heard it, our hearts melted, and there was no spirit left in any man because of you, for the Lord your God, he is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. Isaiah 60:11“Your gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day or night.” Isaiah speaks prophetically of a future time when the gates of God's city will remain open day and night to bring their glory into it which is humanity also spoken about in Revelation 21 “Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the Scriptures?” Luke 24:32 Nehemiah 2 : 2-3 And the king said to me, “Why is your face sad, seeing you are not sick? This is nothing but sadness of the heart.” Then I was very much afraid. I said to the king, “Let the king live forever! Why should not my face be sad, when the city, the place of my fathers’ graves, lies in ruins, and its gates have been destroyed by fire?” The hearts (gates) of the wicked have been destroyed by fire for God is a consuming fire. Revelation 4 : 5-6 From the throne came flashes of lightning, and rumblings and peals of thunder, and before the throne were burning seven torches of fire, which are the seven spirits of God, and before the throne there was as it were a sea of glass, like crystal. And around the throne, on each side of the throne, are four living creatures, full of eyes in front and behind: Sea of glass clear as crystal means to have no blamishes washed clean by the blood of the lamb. We see in Revelation 5 that all creation shall be praising God. Revelation 5 : 13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”

[@robocop2u2]

Revelation 21:8.

[@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838]

There is an entire playlist on the so-called lake of fire at this channel highlighting the understanding of the early Greek church fathers if you are interested. Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap2riKlqr7Jqn6M

[@Mary_QQQ]

Yours is the false doctrine AND a heresy. There are multiple passages in Scripture about eternal punishment. Repent

[@nicoladibara1936]

I could give you a whole study-many Bible texts-that show that your belief is NOT biblical. But I will be very brief here and give you only a few texts to prompt you to reconsider your belief: Romans 6:23 (death or life) Ezekiel 18:4, 23, 31, 32 (death or life) 1. John 5:11, 12 (LIFE for the saved, DEATH for the unsaved) John 3:16 (to live or to perish) All of these texts consistently teach that we have only TWO possible destinies or only TWO choices: LIFE or DEATH. The Bible does NOT teach the doctrine of “immortal soul”-it teaches RESURRECTION of the dead and THEN the reward or the punishment. Matthew 16:27 John 5:28, 29 Luke 14:14 John 14: 2, 3 Revelation 22:12

[@aarons8295]

I would add the text of Jude 1:7. It says Sodom was overthrown by Eternal Fire. This is the same as is said is in store for sinners. Jude says this is an example for those who would live in unrighteousness. But Is Sodom still burning? If eternal fire burn eternal? No Sodom is not still burning. But it is gone forever. It was burned up, and the consequences are the part that is eternal. Sinners will be burned up and die for ever. God is not a torturer.

[@nicoladibara1936]

@@aarons8295 Of course God is NOT a torturer. The people who teach eternal life for the unsaved in the so-called “hell” are preaching a blasphemous satanic doctrine. It seems as if they never read Ezekiel 18:4. Or Ezekiel 18:23, 31, 32. (God here deckares that He does NOT want ANYONE to DIE-so it is unthinkable that He would want to torment anyone “forever.” Unthinkable!) John 3:16 (“perish” - not live forever in “hell”). 1. Joh 5:12 (“NO LIFE” for the unsaved).

[@marcob4645]

🤝👍👌

[@filippigl-sg1se]

False doctrine heresy

[@robrob4730]

This man get me rofl 🤣 every time. He's just doing surgery on words and translations.

[@johncobb6749]

DO NOT BE MISLEAD TO THIS

[@ThatGreenSpy]

Begone from us, satan.

[@ironghost-ug2si]

Take your spirit of fear elsewhere…

[@johncobb6749]

And it's written people will no long accept sound teaching and only want to hear what their inching ears want.

[@ThatGreenSpy]

@@johncobb6749 It is also written "“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." "The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?"

[@ironghost-ug2si]

​@@johncobb6749 That passage is in regards to saying some sins are acceptable. Which sins are we promoting or declaring as positive? It's funny, infernalists often take scripture and twist its meaning to fit their needs, much like Satan. Spreading the kingdom of hell through the spirits of fear and accusation.

[@jeffersonrundell7540]

Wooly Wolf's Doctrine.

[@AnibalReyna-io1hr]

False doctrine it is