Endurance Bike vs Road Bike Speed Test | Which Is FASTER In The REAL World?

Is an endurance road bike actually any slower than a road race bike on the terrain that most amateurs ride? road.cc set off to find out in this endurance road bike vs race road bike speed test!
The 2024 Van Rysel NCR CF is the endurance road bike of choice and it's going up against Jamie's Specialized Allez Sprint. The full review of the Van Rysel NCR endurance bike will be live on the road.cc website soon, will it earn the title of best endurance bike of 2024?
In 2024 some of the best endurance road bikes are now light, aero and comfortable, is there still any reason for most of us to choose a road race bike?
Let us know whether an endurance bike or road bike best suits your riding in the comments below...
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0:00 Introduction
0:45 Van Rysel NCR endurance bike
1:40 Road race bike
2:10 Endurance bike vs road bike
2:55 The test
3:30 Endurance bike impressions
4:30 Road race bike impressions
5:52 Results
6:30 Conclusions
7:55 Outro
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[@roadcc]

Which would you choose? Endurance bike or road race bike?

[@bicikircho]

wouldn't change my S-W SL7 for nothing, life is to short to not ride an all out road bike. But NCR is a nice bike, well put togheter.

[@rep7552]

Errr, N+1 says ‘both’ !!

[@Handletaken4]

I'd choose a bike where the axis line of steering went near my ear and did not point at my sternum.

[@kimpedersen]

I'm currently waiting for my first ever roadbike (always had MTB's) - I went for an endurance-bike and i'm sure I'm the one setting the limits...not the bike

[@twatts4436]

Race - but I've found a good fit on my race bike and it remains comfortable for 6+ hours in the saddle. By a bike that fits, not the bike you want to fit.

[@arthurnagy]

I don't understand why you consider the Van Rysel NCR an endurance bike. In a size S it has a reach of 386 mm and only 529 mm stack, a top tube of 543, head tube of only 117 mm. I could continue, and this is for size S which is recommended by Van Rysel for riders of 1.6-173 m. Kind of out of touch to say this is an endurance bike. Even Van Rysel considers it a race bike, the endurance bike is the EDR from Van Rysel.

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

EDR has same geometry at size S tho, lol

[@arthurnagy]

​@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Oh wow, you are right. I didn't even check that, my bad. 😅 If I were looking to buy an endurance bike, I probably wouldn't consider them.

[@govermentsoundsystemrootik8887]

Aero road bike all the way especially if it's a custom built affair like what i own then for me in my opinion hands down a road bike is always a win, win....,56cm full carbon Merida 7000e frame set that i managed to get with the carbon CV 420 mm intergrade handle bars & a 280 mm aero carbon seat post, Specialized S-Works carbon printed Romin ll saddle, groupset of choice is the Ultegra 8070 full mechanical hydraulic groupset & lastly but least my rims are from Prime range of carbon rims, the 50mm Black Edition model layed in with latex tubes wrapped up in 28mm Continental Gp5000s beaded clinchers the black chilli compound race tires, peddles are Shimano R8000 & in my humble opinion thus is all the race road bike that i need...,total bike weight is 7.465 kg & for me that weights in at just over 98kg as i said its a win, win for me.....!!!

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Plenty of people race endurance bikes anyway. Fabian Cancellara used the Domane for every single road race for the rest of his career after it came out.

[@arthurnagy]

@@veganpotterthevegan don't get me wrong, there's no problem in choosing an endurance bike if that makes you ride more, get stronger, and faster and also enjoy it. I'm just pointing out that the Van Rysel NCR is a full race bike based on the geometry. If you're looking for endurance better look else, Canyon Endurace, Giant Defy, etc. The NCR has almost the same geometry as the aero RCR PRO.

[@comedyman112]

I've had this bike for a year now. I've been fooled into thinking it's an endurance bike because of its big tire clearance, but the geometry is so aggressive. More aggressive than Giant TCR or Canyon Ultimate, which are fullly fledged race bikes.

[@nickbu]

yeah seriously. I have a feeling that all carbon decathlon road bikes are designed as race bikes. They're all so aggressive.

[@comedyman112]

@@nickbu I mean... I've gotten accustomed to it and I like it a lot now. But the branding is quite misleading.

[@FancierSoap]

do you tend to spin alot on he decents and when sprinting due to the 44 tooth single chainring? im considering this bike but im not sure if i should go for this sram apex 1x one or the 105 2x variant

[@comedyman112]

@@FancierSoap i have the 2x SRAM Rival version

[@billskolnik4908]

Road bikes are aggressive. That's why they are ROAD bikes. Endurance is a euphemism for my pussy hurts if I have to put the time in to become a more aggressive cyclist.

[@nerigarcia7116]

I've owned several top end race bikes and as I got older I felt the need to prioritize comfort over speed and aerodynamics. I've swapped my bikes out for more all-road setups where I just swap wheels for road or gravel. I've found that I could achieve similar speeds on these bikes as I did on a race bike that was twice to three times as much. I'm slower now with fitness but I'm not far off the speeds I was doing on my race bikes. Where I feel the difference lies, aside from position, is the race bikes just feel lighter, more responsive, and handle better (or quicker) than an endurance, all-road, or gravel bike. Those characteristics do make the it feel faster and it performs faster but if we're just basing it on speed, they're very similar. Sure a race bike may get up to speed quicker but eventually your top end speed will be similar. The engine is the same, the chassis will give you the marginal gains.

[@guillaumegenest7445]

I have a Roubaix sport which is considered an endurance bike. This bike is extremely comfortable for long rides, but I found it a little slow. I added Mavic Cosmic SLR 45 wheels. Now I have comfort and speed. The best of both worlds. I average 34 km per hour. I am so happy

[@WhaJMc]

Great bike. Have the Comp version of the Roubaix. The best upgrade you can do is put a decent Carbon wheelset on like the Mavics. I also upgraded the bars although that was more of an aesthetic choice.

[@rc198028]

I have the exact same set up but mine averages 25km per hour? Strange.

[@11robotics]

That Van Rysel doesn't have a relaxed gometry at all. Its stack to reach ratio varies between 1.43 for a size XXS and 1.49 for a size XL. These are very agressive values which are so easy to check by taking a look at the geometry charts. A relaxed road geometry means a stack/reach ratio of at least 1.5, and ideally aiming at values of 1.6.

[@toshman696969]

That van rysel bike has a stack of 572 on large compare that to a medium cynon endurance of 590.... I agree with you....

[@Poof57]

Seems like cycling channels LOVE to perform inaccurate tests, sadge

[@jwfriar]

Respectfully - I feel the exact opposite. I rode an endurance bike for 4 years bc that’s what I was told I should get. Not until I did research did I consider a race bike. After switching, I’m frankly pretty upset I didn’t switch earlier - so much snappier, faster to accelerate, obv just faster overall. And with wider tubeless tires being common now, it’s just as comfy on the bumps. I guess more aggressive position, but that’s what I want. I have so much more fun riding my race bike. I guess just depends on your goals.

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Good choice to feature a Van Rysel ! I like what they do.

[@dolittle6781]

Nice video. Definitely worth it to compare the two bikes. Still I just ride for fun. Just enjoy moving at the speed of life! Going fast for someone like me would ruin the cycling experience. To each their own. Still it’s an enjoyable video to watch. I learned a lot.

[@buster.keaton]

For most roadies, "speed is everything"... at least in our heads. However, if that was true, we'd all be ride time trial bikes. That being said, I love my endurance bike for real-life riding regardless of if it costs me a few seconds that no one really cares about.

[@adamlipman1930]

Also, it reduces the constant need to buy the latest wheels, aero cockpits etc as you have bought the bike for endurance rather than all out speed.

[@SurpriseMeJT]

If we really cared about how fast we went, why aren't we riding recumbents?

[@ashurany]

At this point, the results shouldn't surprise anyone who pays close attention. Unless you race or are obsessed with copying the pros over any other consideration, an endurance bike is the way to go, and with larger tires (min 32mm) to improve comfort and stability even more.

[@WerdnaLiten]

Yeah, though you'll get people thinking better.....They're only kidding themselves....

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Recently I bought my first Rapha jersey... and wow. LOVE IT.

[@endianAphones]

Would love a review on that specific bike. If I was replacing my bike, that would be a contender. I'm not, still super happy with mine (terms and conditions may apply).

[@nicdoye]

I ride a 32 year old race bike. As I have also aged by the same amount during ownership, I've recently shortened and raised the stem slightly. It never had the huge amount of drop that today's pros use, but raising any higher affects handling somewhat. It has the short wheelbase and quick steering of a race bike, that I love. While that can be a negative on a climb when very slow and tired, most of the time it just makes the handling *fantastic*. I wouldn't want to trade that fast steering, but am finding flexibility an increasing problem. At some point I'll be forced to change ... I just wish there was a comfy, yet fast steering alternative.

[@Morehills840]

Another great video, Thanks.

[@raymondwu9000]

Curious, are the gearing the same for both bikes, that could result in a much closer match.....

[@danikani1992]

This video just came 1 day too late. Dropped 5.5k on a race bike yesterday 😂😢

[@Mgrant8163]

I moved up from a 2013 Specialized Roubaix to a 2022 Specialized Tarmac SL7 recently. I sold my Roubaix and purchased the Tarmac while recuperating from a collarbone/rib injury downhill mountain biking. I had never ridden the Tarmac until I was given the green light by my Doctor. During my recovery I kept reading about how much more stiff the ride would be, the more extended body position, the twitchy handing, etc. My first ride after 4 months off I was a bit apprehensive. I did feel the differences but not to any radical extent but to be fair, my longest ride so far on the Tarmac is only 50 km or so. The real test will be on longer distances. Both bikes are fast, light just slightly different. I'd be happy with either one.

[@romanpramuka2703]

My Look 795 blade RS aero bike is the best endurance bike, at least for me. it's comfortable, it's stiff, it's super nice, and most importantly, its geometry works for me.

[@benoittheminerandgamer]

ok, there is a problem with this test. You have to do it again with Power meter and fix the power ( let say 220watts avg ) on each test to see the real number.

[@FT__Cool_Stuff______-of5pi]

This is a fluff cycling channel, they don't use data. (The nice way is to say a "journalist cycling channel")

[@cypriano8763]

the reality is with the trend of wide tire clearance, you could have a race bike with 50mm wide tires and really only need 1 bike. imagine the tcr with wide tire clearance, all the bike you would ever need for road, endurance or gravel, all road. thats the future, hopefully

[@Zorzek]

Well there is the new Canyon Grail that is pretty close to what you're describing ;)

[@cypriano8763]

@@Zorzek my friend has a canyon ultimate, he put 35s on it. That's almost there, most guys on on 30s anyway. This is one trend in cycling I can get behind, one comfortable ride good in all terrain

[@rachc4105]

If you looked at the past few releases of some of rhe biggest brands, the design of their race bikes have been gradually becoming more and more like their endurance bikes, instead of the other way round e.g. caad and synapse There may be some good reasons for it.

[@DavidSimon-sn8tc]

Liked watching this....However, I guess some of the comments here are right: The ncr does not seem to be a typical endurance bike when considering its geometry. I own a Canyon Endurace 7 (Alu-frame and 105-equipped) and a Canyon Ultimate cf sl 7 etap (carbon frame and sram rival axs-equipped). I love both bikes. However, at my moderate speeds (about 25 k/mh) the Ultimate seems to be about 2 k/mh faster...

[@Sutlore007]

well, why don't you compare with the same material racing bike? Would like to see the comparison between the NCR and the RCR in the next one.

[@supercoder7]

You guys have the right ideas for interesting videos. But the execution needs work. The first 4 minutes of an 8 minute video was just used in a very long winded, and redundant explanation, which makes the viewer zone out. If you can be more succinct with the explanation with some graphics rather than just words this would be top tier cycling video for top tier cycling topic!

[@roadcc]

Noted!

[@jepulis6674]

Would love to see a real test on steel vs carbon bikes. Frame that lasts your lifetime vs carbon frame that maybe lasts 10 years of riding.

[@korsveien]

The most sensible thing is to start stretching instead of buying a new bike. I did yoga to be able to ride in the drops.

[@edwinwong9547]

2:49 doesn't it look like by slamming the stem, moving fore/aft on saddle, and different stem you could get the geometry within a few mm?

[@toshman696969]

On that bike yes since it's literally a race bike not endurance bike....most endurance bikes have a high stack somyoue position is more upright and therefore more comfy....this bike isn't it with a low stack number

[@pacdaboy3747]

Thanks mathieu van der poul for those tips🙌

[@Macuhdohnadadoh]

A ride a race bike with some spacers. I’m long legged so my saddle likes to be up pretty high. I considered an endurance bike as the geo charts are closer to my fit in some cases, and I don’t mind the look of them. But I absolutely love and prefer the handling of a race bike. Even for non competitive cycling a race bike is a lot of fun. It’s like driving a sports car compared the driving a Cadillac. I think as long as you know the geo numbers that work for you, see if there are any race bikes that are close enough to your fit and run a few spacers to bridge the gap. It really is a lot more fun to be on a snappier bike. And 28mm tubeless will give you all the comfort you need. So long as the bike fit is right for you. Life is too short to ride an endurance bike around.

[@sandgroper1970]

Currently riding a Trek Domane 2016, which I fitted some Bontrager aero wheels, after riding many years on the standard alloy wheels. Yes the bike is super comfortable, probably too comfortable. If I get the chance to get a new bike I will be going for a more race/ aero style bike, cause I can deal with a little less comfort. I mean add a bit of gel bar tape to dampen some of the vibrations getting through to your hands, all is good.

[@markedwards9154]

2019 Donmane owner here. Upgraded to 60mm XXX wheels and have the best comfort and speed. Also with rim brakes and mechanical this bike is 3lbs lighter than latest Domane. 25K miles and holding my own against Madones on A group rides. Perfect!

[@abhimawa1]

It’s all in the mind & the legs. Race bike for powerful riders (or those that think they’re powerful. Otherwise, it’s useless & more energy sapping than comfy bike). Endurance bike for me 👍

[@saxon1376]

Stay in the slow lane

[@WerdnaLiten]

@@saxon1376 And you should stay on your couch......

[@saxon1376]

Enjoy your 10k ride to the cake shop

[@a1white]

@@saxon1376is that meant to be an insult? Who wouldn’t enjoy a 10k ride to cake shop? 😅

[@abhimawa1]

@@saxon1376 yep. ‘Slow’ as cycling athletes. Not ‘fast’ as amateurs or wannabes

[@jrgensneisen6021]

I just wish i could get a full on aerobike like Aeroad/Madone but with sensible geometry for non-pros

[@Chyeahokay]

I’m from a dense highly populated city, and prefer a race bike. Prefer the faster response time and agility in a race bike. Traffic is crazy. If I lived in a more rural area, I would def prefer a more comfortable ride

[@rich_valets9937]

what did you actually think of the Van rysel Ncr? im looking at this exact bike at the minute and would like to hear some real world feeback on it, plus the sram 1x elec gears 😎👍🏼

[@batagnam]

I got it with the Sram Rival AXS 2x. It is very nice !

[@veganpotterthevegan]

My Domane has the same very aggressive fit of my rim brake Soliost SL. Oddly enough, it's even more aerodynamic😂 It weighs about 1.2kg more but with similar rims and the exact same tires, my plush endurance bike is a hair faster than a bike that was probably the fastest bike you could buy in 2009

[@marccarter1350]

Endro bike made from a modern steel disk frame. Slap some 32mm tyres on that, decent low weight wheelset, you have my current ride.

[@rrosomasa]

this is nice, but i would have liked to see more metrics like power output, cadence or speed. Just because it took longer doesn't necessarily mean he was putting the same amount of effort.

[@AllanPhillips]

I'm 58 and no racer, but I enjoy riding my race bike more than my endurance bike regardless of whether it's for 10 miles or 100 miles. It's definitely a bit faster too.

[@cylien]

Interesting topic, but I don't get the point of this type of comparisons if you don't control for the watts you are making on each run

[@daviddawn9043]

I switched to endurance, with 32, mm and it's a cheaper and heavier bike than my race bike I had, and it's more comfortable fun to ride and nothing in it for speed really fast is fitness levels and ability .

[@a1white]

My old Genesis Equilibrium looks far more relaxed than that Van Rysel. Endurance are named that way for a reason, I don’t think I could do any longer distance Sportives on a bike with an aggressive race geometry. I prefer comfort over outright speed any day

[@uhis1686]

it all doesnt really matter in most cases anyway does it? for the large majority of us the speed will be decided by the legs, not the bike. so go for comfort i'd say, wether that's on a racier setup or full endurance just depends (as you said) on how flexible you are.

[@MackBXIII]

damn, that's pretty

[@keithcottongim7930]

Endurance bike if they can take 38mm-40mm tires make good gravel bikes for roadies!

[@WerdnaLiten]

Unless you race, you don't need a race bike......A more upright Endurance bike is far better out on the open roads when amongst traffic.

[@ariffau]

The problem I have with “endurance bikes” is the ridiculously tall stack. I prefer riding lower as it makes the bike steers and handles better.

[@grahamriley8124]

Speaking as an older, not very flexible or strong rider I want a carbon framed, averagely kitted out endurance bike which is built entirely for comfort. This does not exist however and I don’t really understand why they are not made. ‘Endurance’ bikes are still built for sub 65 kg athletes but sub 65kg athletes are not riding them! Even flat bar hybrid bikes by giant etc still have long reaches to get a sporty look. All those materials and components can be with a frame which has a more upright and forgiving geometry.

[@IThee-hw8oj]

I have a Canyon Endurace CF 2014 and a Cannandale CAAD 10 2013.... both Ultegra. Normaly I ride the Canyon. Simple reason....more comfort.

[@murranz]

Good

[@departurexx1520]

Bike geometry and efficiency is the key. Many rider thinking riding the latest aero bike will go fast. What they don't know is that you need watts to power the bike. Now you know why those noobs out there riding the latest bike are not going fast.

[@mb10kx]

why are all alloy bike endurance geometry

[@rondo761]

Speed is not that important. It's the feeling of acceleration, handling... I started many years ago on endurance, moved to proper racer later. It's just a bit more fun, I don't really care what is actually faster. But I loved my old Synapse, too, in many ways the perfect bike indeed. Pitty what it developed into...

[@MarcraM82]

For an average weekend warrior like the journalist here it's not going to matter whether he's on an endurance bike or race bike.

[@nellyx1x493]

The roads in my area have deteriorated to the point that a gravel bike or mtb is more suitable, I have a very racy road bike and its just not pleasant to ride on improper roads.

[@JogBird]

i like my 'race' bike beacuse of the acceleration and handling, not all out top speed, which is dangerous with real world traffic

[@BikeSeatPhilosopher]

Now do a solo century or double-century comparison test. That endurance bike might well come out as faster as the miles accumulate and soreness sets in.

[@bikeman123]

Isn't that exactly what he said

[@karelvandervelden8819]

Aero alu endurance bikes are the sensible choice. And spend your surplus money on wheels and tyres.

[@GooseGusWright]

I want to buy a NCR, but one problem is I’m 1.78m my stand over is only 79cm. Does anybody know what’s M size standover of NCR?😂😂

[@kulchatha4657]

is a s works aethos endurance?

[@jwfriar]

No - a lightweight bike

[@jrmhng]

Same geometry as tarmac

[@jwfriar]

@@jrmhng Yep and with the Tarmac now just as light, being way more aero and integrated cables, the Aethos is kinda redundant except those that like the old school exposed cables.

[@DiegoHorchata]

I am riding an endurance bike, the roubaix sport 2021. I did make it the most aero i could. ClX 50 and aerohandlebar and the continental str 5000 with latex tubes, ultegra 52 11-30, ceramic speed coated bb and ceramic kogel big pulleys, but i feel that it is still heavy and missing the aero capabilities. If i was riding a truly aero bike ill be a little but faster at least 2 miles faster than i am now

[@DiegoHorchata]

I am rethinking in getting an truly aero frame. Probably will go for the specialiced sl8 10R carbon or the giant propel

[@RichThomas]

Next time pls just use a power meter- so the testing is more objective. Is a great topic, but the margin of error of doing it on feel, does make the result quite unreliable and therefore not too useful.

[@diegoeleazar9154]

The only endurance bike that I recognize is the TREK DOMANE.

[@bengt_axle]

A pure race bike is way faster because of the lightness. It lightens your pocket quicker as it costs twice as much.

[@Al.2]

NCR means neo racer so what is endurance about it? EDR is Van Rysel's endurance line but it is also NOT endurance with the stack to reach ratio ridiculously low for any, not only today's, endurance standards.

[@Al.2]

It looks to me as mostly the spacers below the stem made the difference, but other than the bike not being the perfect example, the point about endurance bikes is valid.

[@comedyman112]

I've been waiting for this review for a year now. Don't understand why nobody covers this model. Also, can't believe you skipped something so obvious as checking the geometry chart. Please redo this video.

[@victorrodriguez2806]

The bicycle industry has been building comfortable race bikes for years. Your recreational rider is illinformed( usually by a bike shop trying to make a sale). The spring classics are peppered with comfortable race bikes . Two of the most comfortable race bikes designed for Paris Roubaix were the Bianchi Infinito CV ( 2015-2018 rimbrake) and the Willier NDR Cento 10( 2017 - 2020, rim brake or disc option on the same frame.) Even these sponsored channels mislead the watcher.

[@virginiascurti5036]

Ok, so why are some channels telling me the Allez is an Endurance bike?

[@roadcc]

The Allez has far more relaxed geometry than the Allez Sprint that we used in this video, hope that helps

[@firmfoundation5992]

I have a Giant Defy endurance bike and a Giant TCR race bike. The TCR is usually .5 mph quicker.

[@davidcummings7735]

Same, I have a 2018 Giant Defy Pro 1 (endurance bike) but my older 2012 Cannondale Supersix Evo (race bike) is always quicker around the same 60km loop I do 3 times a week, generally about 1- 1.5 kph quicker at the same effort. Measured with a Power Meter.

[@homoinspirus]

NCR is a race bike, not an endurance bike. NCR as in Neo raCeR. The endurance bike would be EDR as in EnDuRance. No wonder the difference were so small.

[@roadcc]

The NCR and EDR have very similar geometry, admittedly it isn't the most relaxed and the differences would be more pronounced with other endurance bikes

[@homoinspirus]

@@roadcc fair enough

[@stuartmclean3843]

I dnt really get this comparison, alley sprint is hardly a full on race bike and in my opinion is much closer to being a endurance bike, a allez e5 vs a tarmac would surely have been the fairy comparison, I understand you are keeping within a budget but even so I just dnt get this comparison with the 2 bikes tested

[@Dreamweaver94]

Yes, but consider the following: Racey road bikes look cool.

[@JohnnyRabbitQC]

Endurance bikes are road bikes for people with low flexibility, that's all. It can be less comfortable to sit more upright for flexible and functional riders.

[@roadcc]

But how many amateur riders don't have "low flexibility"? We agree that nearly all of us would benefit from flexibility training!

[@SurpriseMeJT]

When I ride a faster bike, nobody actually cares. I ask myself "Did I have fun?" or "Was I comfortable?". Literally nobody cares, not even on Strava (not even if the liked your stupid ride) if you rode af faster bike. If I wanted to choose the fastest bike to go around my local loop, I'd ride a recumbent and boy what a load of fun those bikes are.

[@lastgentleman8099]

Road bikes don't ride on narrow singletrack so what's the point of an "agile aka nervous" bike? 🤣

[@abhattal]

"The endurance bike is fractionally slower". Not really, two rides each ridden on feel, about 10 sec difference on a 22 min ride is well, well within the bounds of error. Then you think, hang on ... that graph that was on-screen for a few seconds made it look like that difference was significant, hmm ... freeze frame it and you can see the y-axis starts at 21.5 minutes, not 0. Bonkers.

[@edwarding4355]

If you'd just get narrower handlebars, you would be faster.

[@l.d.t.6327]

"this is an endurance bike" showing a bike with an agressive all-out race bike geometry and too many spacers.

[@escostar6331]

A less than $1k SL4 these days between 2012-2014 rim brake will blow away both.

[@Handletaken4]

You look 6'1" and the bike looks 54cm. Wth?

[@ElRealista.]

This test needs to be done with a "normal" person with apprentice level.

[@ValeFero]

they are the same bike

[@silviofontana5144]

Your target group is obviously younger riders, NOT those over 60-80yo. Our bodies dont bend or stretch as we once did, we need comfy bikes with differing geometry. How about you test some bikes for us instead of your Yuppie crowd.

[@user-rk5me1ek5t]

Not racing endurance bike.

[@rule3036]

Doesnt look like an endurance bike to me.

[@zmaxboost1]

It's all rigged. All propaganda 😂

[@rogersliu1200]

NON conformance Report🤣🤣

[@anthonylarson7919]

yawn.....