FEATURE: Supercars Cost Cutting

[@att0987654321]

It would be interesting for the Dude to build a budget V8 Supercar with all of the cost savings and give it a run around a current track 👌🏻

[@jimjames4875]

How good would that be.

[@bluedog1052]

I second that!!

[@PlasticAssasin8]

already has, its the Marc Mustang

[@phillipkerfoot2389]

id watch that. a 2021 project blueprint camaro or mustang or kia. should be no more to run than a gt4

[@timhotlook7229]

Guy's even though this is a repeat, it's still more enjoyable to watch than the bloody racing we have today!! Keep it coming boys!!

[@trentmarlowe7655]

The Dude running Supercars. We can wish. Excellent points. Top show. 👍

[@Bdavk]

I would love to see the starting grid at Bathurst lined up back around the last corner. Cutting cost is the only way to put more cars on the grid.

[@leecoates4082]

stuff having race team get you 2 running the whole v8 circus bloody legends

[@bluedog1052]

Fuck that.....I'd rather watch them on this show than that boring stuff, great cars which I appreciate but no thanks.

[@boomer_bob6493]

I'm new to listening to these 2 but wow, what a bloody down to earth commonsense look at still keeping it relevant and competitive while keeping the costs down. And on the subject of engine rebuilds and their costs I can tell you from first hand knowledge that when cranky Franky ran the jps team with the 635's then the M3's those engines were rebuilt after every race as were the gearboxes and diffs.

[@snowman01]

I'm a simple man. I see an ENFORCER AND THE DUDE upload, I click like

[@darrenparkinson4576]

Remember when everyone bagged Group A? If you go back and watch it now it's very interesting. Watching a good mix of relatively lightly modified cars that you can buy from a dealer. Now that Australia no longer has local car manufacturers to support,Group A type racing is very appealing. Supercars are not a representation of any car I could buy.

[@truthseeker8483]

Exactly my thoughts, current heavily regulated two horse races are BORING!

[@andrewosier614]

Larry Perkins summed those days up pretty well, I can't quote him, but may be nice for the fans but it was crap for the teams and drivers if you didn't have the right gear, made it hard to attract decent sponsors and keep teams afloat. Not to mention the politics.

[@truthseeker8483]

@@andrewosier614 End of cigarette sponsorship was the problem then....not lack of regulations and a need for having every car exactly identical

[@gerardcrabb4556]

Mustang and Sierra were not sold here though...

[@HEKTIC458]

I agree with most of the reasons to control the series, however I think it is good to have some points of difference & areas where the engineers can maximise the car’s performance.

[@TassyDeval]

Exactly. If no-one cant deviate from a standard. how will we evolve into better things. Or would you all like to go back to the days when, if u had a mobile phone, you also needed a forklift to carry the battery pack required to run it. Remember them days do we?

[@-MacCat-]

Yes, it's an amalgam of cost cutting points from other episodes, but worth watching. I also like the fact that it gets the punters out there, like Toothless and Chuck Meister and Nick J, contributing diverse and very valid opinions on your "common sense" approach to keeping the "factory car racing" sport, as it has evolved and we now know it, alive. There are a few of things that are indisputable - 1. Commonsense is not that common 2. You can't please everyone 3. By containing cost, whilst maintaining the ability for teams to put on a good show/race, everyone will benefit by having more participants, sponsors and punters Finally, keep it up guys. This channel has become one of my, if not THE, favourite(s).

[@everydaygolfer6483]

G'Day Fellas, about time someone called out the whole Supercar debacle.

[@Chuckmeister200]

I am a fan of motor sport. Supercars in particular but not exclusively. I am a fan of some drivers but also a manufacturer (which is important). The one thing that worries me is generic boredom where everything is the same and the races provide no action. No passing. It just turns into a slip streaming race. Factories and investors need some wiggle room in the technology side of the investment to encourage the sport to move forward and not just turn into a stale bottle of piss in 10 years time. Maybe allow developers to rotate every year...tyres one year is open, shocks the next , engine after etc.

[@tayf85]

Having the same cars is not what produces boring racing. Boring racing is caused by aero.

[@trimw]

Best supercars content anywhere, good stuff.

[@ryankeegan202]

Best episode so far. The engine swap is a no brainer. The category needs to have more modern day car relevance....

[@alldaydevo]

So good, priceless access and knowledge, thanks heaps

[@petererrington5950]

After episode 16 I think Roland has the episode listed as a favourite. Using it for the new Gen 3 blueprint.

[@079lrt]

Really enjoyed this. I reckon you two should be in charge of Supercars 😉

[@leonblittle226]

Enjoyed this but please, PLEASE loose that background music used on this video it wrecked the audio.

[@wingoson]

I was only thinking tonight at work that I wonder when more enforcer and the dude, and behold here it is.. 👌👊

[@jimjames4875]

Awesome vid guys. I think Seamer is actually listening which is good, I hope they head this way.

[@tugboat8475]

Great info

[@AzzaTheGreat]

Cost saving is great, just pick the right areas and be strategic about it!

[@bedmaker]

Hi Russell & Paul, Love the show and what you do, but can you explain further on where the 40k goes when rebuilding a Supercar Engine. What gets serviced, changed out, replaced etc. How much labor is involved in that cost? Cheers

[@Robbie_Wozzlegummich]

"Engineering Masturbation" I nearly spat my coffee across the room!... LOL

[@redbeardr31]

Interesting that the recent transaxle change wasn't really mentioned. The change was made to cut costs but there's quite a few horror stories about how costly the new option is!

[@MrSprocket2u]

love this show ..Russ …. you are are Barry sheene of the V8s

[@simmosideways]

Great content

[@wolfgangshmit7333]

Would love to get your guys thoughts on the Fomula Thunders. I reckon they are going to be awesome

[@76aussieguy]

ive been watching videos of the early 80's racing, we need more of that. this current stuff dosent hold a candle to it i reckon, TCM is the way to go. wish there were more rounds per year

[@tonyhitch5799]

Please look at the BNT NZ V8 series!

[@als98au]

Agree with the crate engine solution but must still be a GM / FORD motor people are not as interested in seeing an LS ( and that would be the motor selected ) in a Mustang . I remember a Konika Mitsubishi Magna using the 308 holden engine used to race until it won a race or 2 and got banned .

[@MrJazzmosh]

Hey lads, Let's say supercars set up a car with all the parts you are talking about. Do you think the lap time performance would be affected? I agree bringing costs down is a great idea but I would hate to see the lap times become slower especially at places like Bathurst. Also if you could do a segment on time attack racing in Australia that would be awesome to watch as there is alot of cool stuff happening. Cheers gents keep up the great videos

[@MichaelGoudie]

I think Paul and Russell are going to be the most popular baby boys name this summer season.

[@kymnewman3518]

OEM relevance with a BM steering rack and Audi steering hub. Huuuuuh. Top vid

[@TheTorkerman]

People have always under estimated Paul Morris, smart dude, lotsa money and lotsa contacts.

[@Graeme_H]

Love these guys

[@kristiangoodall]

Someone who is much smarter than me once said "sometimes teams need saving from themselves" and all these cost "savings" gone wrong is case in point of that.

[@robkeogh4593]

Hey Dude, if your gunna throw that coyote in the bin after its service life can i have it please, it'd look great in the BA GTP..... Always enjoy going back and looking at the episodes, and you blokes are right of course. I haven't a clue as to what front end you run, and couldnt care less either, save the money and make the racing cheaper and more competitive.

[@TheSuperRep]

I'd say you blokes have it sorted, time to clear house at Supercars and put Russell and the Dude in at the top to steer it into the future.

[@petert3355]

The takeaway form this is that it is NOT the cost of the parts that is the real problem, it's the cost of the constant development is where the majority of dollars goes. The down side to locking all parts/components down is do we really want v8's to be essentially the same as the formula Ford etc.

[@Aykay8383]

Agree with many points you guys brought up. Just interested in the relationship between the presenters and MARC. Russels tested for them and they're based at Norwell which Paul has business interests in. Other than being conveniently located and having parts around are there any other interests you guys have in MARC?

[@VMX42AUS]

Not sure how you can say that going to a MARC type chassis wouldn't save any money...you can purchase a car outright for $300 - $350k. A space framed, V8, trans axle gearbox race car with ABS and full electronics...

[@MrAdamk1981]

Hey Guys , why do the teams run different wheel nuts (not Captive ) in qually ?

[@LurkMoar101]

Mate if Rusty gets back behind the wheel full time I'll wrench for him for free.

[@jsma9999]

thank you for this Film

[@donkinzett3961]

My god this all makes sense but we all know nothing will change

[@MarkManson14]

Should never have gone away from production cars period. Went to sh1t after that, and sold cars on a Monday. Probably could've saved the manufacturing industry. My 2bobs worth.

[@heathdouglas6959]

Unfortunately you're right Dude, the manufacturer's are in Detroit! No more here in Australia 😔 When we have some of the best motoring and motorsport minds in the world! 😔

[@ppercut]

i think they should use success ballast

[@Ricky-nq7lu]

This won't happen to teams have no say in the hardware used on the car unless they find a safely issue with the parts stated here. Plus then the development of all set parts are done by super car itself an teams have no say with any development apart from there reports of weak area's of those set parts. Engine wise i think you guy's nailed it as most manufacturers have a crate engine ford/GM/Dodge an the list goes on. I wan't to see braking to be controlled as well as then teams will have to manage there brakes within a race an it's another area where everyone on par with each other. I have so much more in mind but don't want to write a novel in doing so. Very nice points guy's an thank for the recap.... (Edit) The Big question is when super cars going electric as they must be thinking about as it's the future tech in motoring . Oh shit I said it. Lol

[@MarkManson14]

All the team's need to pull out of the current series and bury supercars, and bring back the old production series. Group a,b,c. Make Aussie motorsport what it used to be, albeit with foreign built cars.

[@jdmpiazza1]

Safety first. I should know aye Dude.

[@christophergamble7257]

Righto Russ just give everyone a controlled everything and handout participation ribbons FFS

[@truthseeker8483]

"car of the future" Haha a silhouetted bill board is not my idea of the future......bring back road based cars and not just Holden /Ford

[@truthseeker8483]

@@GS-kh5se Racing is not about "parity" or "safety"

[@keithprinn6900]

Car of the future running old pushrod engines ? KRE say some teams running Ford engines 15 plus years old. No fly by wire and Ford and GM have such fantastic road car engines available as crates as they discussed here. This and the reliance on street races, together with contrived team tactics at this years Bathurst has lost me after 47 years as a fan.

[@gerardcrabb4556]

Marc Cars should be a series cheaper than Supercars can be used in GT and Sports Sedans too...

[@timelessengineering]

Sounds like a great idea fellas bring back affordable controlled motor racing where team skill is used to build a reliable race car coupled with driver talent wins Sunday racers. Where I can go down to my local Repco and buy the same parts and put them in my not to out of reach priced family car, not all of us want to own or drive SUVs and dual cab utes......and make it accessible......free to air TV so i can sit down with my kids on a Sunday arvo like me and my did and watch motor racing. Cheers from Group C & A tragic.

[@darbexcl]

Havnt we seen this before guys!!!!!?

[@MartinMcMartin]

They've separated it out to make it easier to find.

[@davidevans6045]

maybe im wrong and im sure someone will say i am but if all these cost cuttings are put into place wont the supercar body lose money cause it seems to me they have the control and put a price on parts

[@keithprinn6900]

just think about how much Kelly Racing have spent developing the engines for the Nissan? then how much in engines they have to replace for 2020? They have run four cars in super cars plus Super 2s? Thing about staying with the old engines is the teams already have 8-10 engines so the going to a new engine means up front costs but with cheaper maintenance and rebuilds for the future. As the boys said they sell off their old shit to the other teams.

[@dazzaas4184]

Hey boys i just wonder why the supercars cant fit one or 2 ovals in the season like nascar does a few rd courses maybe the thunderdrome and maybe motegi japan or build a new one

[@roymoorman5990]

34m . So I guess the dude wiill be back in the game, or he "abides" ?

[@michaeldiffer4882]

Hey. Why not go back to racing true road cars. Like a xw or a nine x?

[@PhantomMark]

Awesome insight thanks, the Mustang is the worst abortion of a road / race car I ever saw........the GT racing version of the Mustang the use elsewhere in the world looks awesome, travesty......controlled dampers, simple, exchange basis each race weekend.

[@danq3923]

In terms of DTM, Mercedes and Audi have both dropped out, only leaving BMW for 2021.

[@shaun9067]

Ford should run there engine . And GM can run one of there one and BMW. Nissan ETC

[@chiller5438]

Where’re you blokes???

[@kymnewman3518]

50k steering hub and a dirty old pushrod engine ??

[@fromjarrod]

Ahh thank fuck for you guys, hope top end circuit cars heirachy open their flappy muppet ears and do good!!!!

[@matthewmeuleman9872]

have a look at F1

[@tobeydoctor8626]

"slow all cars remotely for safety car"... Shell vpower fabs wont like tha one for Bathurst 2020. . . .

[@darrenjackson2687]

How could you cut costs below 400k? Oh Rusty....you did it again!!!! Red bull will give you a big fat tip for this you little peanut you 👍

[@marklowe7431]

I think this category has lost its original essence and attraction to spectators. May as well be watching sprint karting. Having diversity in the cars with pros and cons makes for exciting racing. e.g. Falcon with 351 vs lighter Torana with 308. Obviously with more modern cars. Maybe 5L coyote vs 6L LS and make them both run H pat.

[@nickj1663]

Love the show, but if I can be critical, why are you guys so hell bent on telling us whats "wrong" with Supercars? Apart from saving a little money, too many control items is a stupid idea. Supercars teams employ engineers, and designers, that want to innovate, and be better than the guys at the other end of pit lane. Your proposals would stifle their development, and cause a talent drain into other categories. If teams cannot afford to go motor racing, go elsewhere. We should not be dragging the "bad teams" up, by making the top teams slower. It should be the other way around. Be careful what you wish for.

[@mitchR32]

it’s a parity formula, so it’s almost completely at odds with itself letting people control anything beyond basic setup. want top class engineering? watch F1

[@Limitr5.7]

Did you even watch it. It's about the cost and how it's seems to be snowballing out of control. Well. That's what I thought anyway. 50k for a hub assembly or 8k. Seems like a no brained to me and I'm pretty retarded

[@nickj1663]

darrenbridget that’s motor racing mate. Supercars is the cream of the Aussie crop. Let’s not dumb it down to the level of some of the comments.

[@-MacCat-]

Nick, I see where you're coming from but the spiralling costs aren't sustainable. I thought their explanations on how and why money could be saved without sacrificing good racing were quite valid. Also, I beg to differ on your definition of "a little money". I'm an engineer and I love to see all those beautifully designed and made and functional parts but I love to see "door handle to door handle" just as much, if not more. Helping teams cut costs, which may well, and should, increase the number of cars on the grids, and making sure that the drivers can "rub door handles", can't be bad for the sport, can it? I agree with you 100% on the "We should not be dragging the "bad teams" up, by making the top teams slower.", but I also want to see more racing based less on who has the biggest bucket of money. Maybe I'm living in "cuckoo land" but I'd like to think that containing costs should/could be done without completely stifling innovation and development. You may well be right, but I hope not.

[@fr8boy]

Cutting costs will help smaller teams compete with the likes of FPR, DJRTP, T8 & WAU, If the components on cars such as the uprights are a standard piece, that like that MARC car upright set, swappable from front to back/ left to right and the same for everyone, it means that a small team like MSR don't have to go to the likes of T8 or DJRTP and spend $50k+ on a set of front uprights & control arms and get 1 or 2 generation old items that are still not going to make them competitive. Same for motors, make everyone run a factory based crate motor that has market relevance, but also more modern, reliable and cheaper to run and maintain, means those smaller teams are not engaged in as The dude calls it 'the arms race' on engines, an arms race on suspension things that are 'free'; and taking up hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in R&D. That little segement saved between the chassis, suspension, and engines, close to a million bucks a year per car, that will make racing more open to others and because of the market relevance with more OEM parts involved, maybe create more interest in the category from manufacturers. Hell if the Chassis wasn't so rigid and things like the cage were a little more free then maybe we would see the likes of Nissan staying in to race a GTR that looks like a proper GTR, maybe the likes of BMW, or Jag or other manufacturers who have great looking road cars would be able to get involved and have a car that properly looks like a race going version of the road car and not a stretched and pulled cartoon like the Mustang is.

[@mrivantchernegovski3869]

Igrew up watching and going to the tracks in the Group A and C days ,TBH modern Aussia supercar racing is shit even the racing in 2000s were better ,the gt series is great as well

[@mmazz30]

ok....first

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