[ENG] 2024 SSL AUTUMN | RO.8 M3 Rain vs Rush (Tastosis)

[@TheBrettdenver]

Tasteless casting with the creator of Crazy Zerg = EPIC

[@nines_tv]

May the meme live 25 more years!

[@screwnacorn]

I didn't even know Artosis played zerg!

[@TheBrettdenver]

@@screwnacorn He doesnt. He’s just the one who created the name for the build 😆

[@TheBrettdenver]

@@nines_tv 💯💪🏼

[@Aktentasche1]

gives me the chills, frfr

[@conorquinn9245]

Tasteless sitting on Artosis' lap in the intro is so cute

[@EebstertheGreat]

I think the game Artosis remembered was not Light vs. Rain but Light vs. Tempest. A single dragoon got 32 kills and won in spite of the core being destroyed twice. I think Artosis did cast this game at some point, but I can't remember when. An older English cast by Cholera and Rise is still up on the VioleTAK channel.

[@adastida]

Thank you, watched the match on YT and absolute chills

[@MoonyD911]

I thought it was Flash vs Bisu. There’s a super old video of Flash cheesing Bisu and Bisu holding off the rush with dragoon micro.

[@dirkauditore8413]

Proof that Marines are trash.

[@Nilyssia]

Ye it was Tempest. Light TvP was awful in Kespa era, he got the core but Tempest got range done in time and he microed 1 goon vs infinity scv,bunkers and such.

[@Sabu113]

I miss cholera

[@DeusO73]

You guys missed that Rain cancelled his Core to build gateway and battery in game 4. Thanks for a great cast!

[@DangerDucking]

Indeed! Scouted terrain main, saw worker count, and immediately reacted

[@pontussamuelsson4003]

Chilllls

[@tiagomota4734]

Im impressed with how much knowledge Artossis have in cooperation to tasteless its unreal the difference

[@Dartht33bagger]

@@tiagomota4734 I don't think tasteless lives for Starcraft like Artosis does. No dig on Tasteless - I like what he brings to the casts even if his meta knowledge isn't cutting edge.

[@tiagomota4734]

@@Dartht33bagger Oh my lord but the difference !!

[@BioReptiles]

Artosis at the start; this is the best match in this round Me: *looks at how short this bo7 is* "ohh boy"

[@kindkindred]

CHILLS

[@jesse1381]

Hope you guys know there's people who truly appreciate the cast format as well as the passion and effort that goes into the process. Keep doing what you're doing!

[@Axxzilla]

Was about to lay down, and then I felt a chill in the air…

[@netnazgul]

"This is the best match of this round" SoulKey vs Light: am I a joke to you?

[@EB-bl6cc]

yeahhh, they really cursed this match when they said that lol

[@Yessia2]

I mean it's kind of their job to hype up every match and try to be as unbiased as possible, can't blame them for comments like that.

[@i_am_ergo]

@@EB-bl6cc Straight outta Arty's mouth: "Yeah, I know what the caster curse is, and it's not real. It doesn't exist. And people who believe in it are stupid."

[@jacobunderwood4957]

Idk, SoulKey is actually so good that I don't necessarily fault this as an expectation. Light has not been proving his status lately, either. Rush vs Rain is much closer in theory.

[@netnazgul]

@@jacobunderwood4957 well, Rain has not delivered anything for the several years. But this season he just plays solid. Then again, nothing spectacular either.

[@chrisbrannigan6210]

Thanks for the cast. 'Anti-Spoiler for Videos' is the browser plugin I use. Disables video length AND youtube comments.

[@LiquidWater91]

Addressing the dead air thing, have you considered doing a premiere broadcast for first broadcast? it'd be able to make feel like watching live again, and secondly it could be setup to be a bit more friendly to western time zones.

[@NoTengoStand]

Please do this!

[@fredhurst2528]

I believe that would not work because of live chat. The opportunity for people to spoil on live chat would make premieres a bad idea for a cast after the games have already been played.

[@NoTengoStand]

@@fredhurst2528 hiding chat is way easier than any spoiler-avoiding alternatives.

[@spyfoxguy]

Discussion at 35:05

[@mauriciobetimpaesleme8702]

The premiere is super easy and perfect, but they do not own the website... they depend on Korea to do that. I don't think they are willing to negotiate that... so Artosis puts it as non-issue: 37:26 Dunno why they have to gaslight like that.

[@VersusAllOdds]

While waiting for this game i've watched the finals of ASL S3... Artosis had chills back then as well, how he's still alive is beyond me...

[@LoLXaxziminrax]

You know what, I don't actually need 8 hours of sleep tonight

[@tehoneandonlyhaha]

the perfect match to address adding dead time to vods in order to avoid spoilers ^^

[@yukitaro2744]

They adressed it pretty early in the video that it would screw the videos performance and they would be shafted by the youtube algorithm. Also there's a plugin you can add to your browser that lets you hide the length of youtube vids to prevent spoilers to vods.

[@tehoneandonlyhaha]

@@yukitaro2744 yeah I know they talked about it, that's why I made that comment.

[@gabrielilloasesino]

Theres a browser extension called Anticipation. Although you have to activate it and refresh the videos a couple times lol

[@Tw0tson]

Couldn’t they do a premiere?

[@disiesgroto1881]

@@Tw0tsonIt’s probably too awkward to do that. Keep in mind that neither Tasteless nor Artosis have any control over this channel - it’s Soop (AfreecaTV)’s, so it would be on them to pay people to supervise the Premier, Moderate the Chat function, etc. Sure, it’s cheaper than running a full English cast on their own, but it would still eat into their budget (and depending on how much they pay their people, the Ad Revenue may not even cover those costs.)

[@eduardo966]

Best casting duo ever! Rain is that good fellas! That's probably the most one sided ro8 match we will see this season. Crazy!!!

[@JJEMTT]

Rain's super power is Gateway Man. He EASILY has the best army movement and control over basic units and he was at his peak when that was meta. He patrols the middle of the map better than anyone and his PvP is so good because of that.

[@zergu-yf3gd]

as a zerg i was impressed with his game 2

[@volter84]

Snow or Bisu have Much better Control , Rain is very mediocre in this area, his power comes from reading the game and decision making.

[@Yessia2]

@@volter84 Agreed, even Best to an extent pushes through impossible looking terran entrenches a lot. I think Rains bigger strength is his game planning, kinda of like Mini.

[@Zraknul]

Mini has clever and risky builds. Rain just makes good decisions with normal Protoss.

[@Daren_PNW]

It's 11:07pm, working super late and... what's that cool breeze moving thru the air? Is... is that... _CHILLS_ I feel?

[@peterhone9763]

Immediately added the Block Spoiler Plug in. Absolutely amazing. I spent so much energy avoiding spoilers, haha. Thanks Artosis!

[@Unicronilogical]

Who needs sleep when you have SSL uploaded 6 minutes ago….. ❤❤❤ LFG!!!

[@amai2307]

Sleep for weak.

[@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175]

I woke up to pee around 0330, saw ssl match uploaded. Gonna be a little tired toward the end of my drive around East Tennessee and Kentucky. The hills and curves will keep me going!

[@Unicronilogical]

@@amai2307 ong

[@Unicronilogical]

@@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175 absolutely worth it though haha enjoy!

[@Darkulla]

"Sir, can I take your order?" - I'd like a Tasteless SOOP made By.Rain. "Sure, It'll just be a minute" - Please, no Rush 20min.

[@ataraxieabrutissante267]

Bravo

[@Darkulla]

Thx 😂​@@ataraxieabrutissante267

[@xKharrneX]

I'm sure you could've slipped in the fact that he's a big game hunter in there somewhere :p

[@NativeNewMexican]

Thank you for addressing the "spoiler" of the video length and why blank added time would be an issue.

[@HTSGOSU]

So don't put blank time, put "the anti spoiler show" and put some extra content of tastosis laddering, casting another match, w/e

[@lukebomber]

@@HTSGOSU People will not watch this. Besides, this channel is explicitly for casting SSL

[@fredhurst2528]

I question how much the algorithm matters for such a niche interest. Who would click on and watch a 2+ hour Korean StarCraft tournament just because it shows up on their feed if they have no interest in StarCraft already? And those (English speaking) who do have interest? Who are those people who don't already know about the Tastosis SSL English cast? At best, the algorithm might garner some curiosity clicks who would stop watching after a minute, and go back to scrolling more shorts.

[@KuraiChanZ]

​@@fredhurst2528 That's how I got into watching competitive Starcraft. I mean I played it when I was younger but NEVER watched the competitive scene. Then I suddenly got recommended it by the algo and decided to give it a watch. Couple years later and I'm still watching

[@buttecake]

In general lots of people don't subscribe to channels and just click thing recommended to them, so even if they are already a consistent asl watcher if it's not recommended they will miss it. ​@@fredhurst2528

[@KuraiChanZ]

Pretty nuts that there could be a Terran-less Ro4 considering how many Terrans we had going into this

[@HasekuraIsuna]

Where the Tesagi crowd at now?

[@SplashJohn]

I'm on pins and needles: will Rain try Motive's proxy build? 😁 (Edit: I can't look at Rush's face without recalling the confused expression he had after Motive GG'd, and then his big smile after he watched the replay. Tournament gold!)

[@TasAbyss]

The times shown definitely can be spoilers, sucks there isn't a full proof solution but the browser addons do an okay job. But that's certainly not a complaint. Love everything you guys do for us!

[@zergu-yf3gd]

fool proof*

[@しらこ-465]

*Spoiler warning about winner comments* . . . . "I saw the slightly forward barracks so I built a forge" is the kind of decision making that makes Rain so good. That's a fairly drastic response made in a split second, reacting to from a subtle move from Rush and it immediately put Rain in a winning position.

[@Yessia2]

Also shoutout to the translator, forget their name but really appreciative of the translations of the little player interviews they do doing the breaks, I have missed that since I forget when maybe like s12-13? Really cool to hear players incites on the questions asked during those.

[@Halilbel]

His name is Ziggy, polish Starcraft player who studies korean in Korea

[@JamesElias-zx5ev]

‘If I’m rush here, I get the 4th command centre’…get real Artosis

[@gabrielponche]

Literal chills right now

[@christopherbennett1173]

I'm on holiday in Cyprus, it's normally red hot here. But today it's over cast and cold. Now I know why

[@じょせふ-v2z]

idea: you guys could do a random amount of outro discussion to add a random amount of time to the video

[@abunja]

Long random banters can't hide the fact that this is a one-sided game after game 2, and it'll depend if Afreeca (now SOOP) would allow it in their video. Then again, most people will just end the video after the final game so it's the same old problem with the algorithm.

[@AGSkaary]

Well... I WAS going to go to bed on time...

[@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175]

Shout out to the Turkish fan in Korea! Our world just got a little bigger and smaller at the same time!

[@MeteCanKarahasan]

36:14 lol Turkish Artosis guy!

[@AceBadguy]

Thank you two for bringing up the anti-spoiler. As someone who watches a bunch of eSports, I really love anti-spoiler extra space. It doesn't need to be an extra hour of extra blank space, but at least 30 minutes. It's too bad adding that ruins the algorithm.

[@Malins2000]

Oh what a way to wake up😅 thank you Tastosis and team!

[@SPyoutube42069]

thanks for the 60fps :)

[@KasperDeNeuzige]

rush's smile is too pure

[@tezlatrooper]

Instead of "dead air" I think a decent compromise would be 20 minutes at the end of a broadcast of sneak peek highlights from the coveted secret Tastetosis podcast.

[@avinotion]

That's still dead air for those who come for the matches. Doesn't matter what content they put at the end of the video if not enough people are watching it.

[@tezlatrooper]

@@avinotion It's still better than the potential of 3 and a half hours of dead air after a match to make them all uniform in run time. 15-20 minutes at the end of some of the shorter vods would just help with some of the problem.

[@avinotion]

@@tezlatrooper I'd watch if it's a post-match in-depth review by Artosis, like he usually does.

[@lemmack]

Rush saying he thinks it'll be a one-sided victory for him was so savage.

[@raydespoir]

Major overconfidence. Rush needs to be humbled from time to time I guess lol He gets better after getting smashed like this.

[@Jockedemus]

Game 1 I think is a fake proxy rax. Hoping to worry the opponent into playing safe, not greedy. While playing standard or greedy yourself, having your rax at home in case The toss plays aggressive.

[@markbigelow9885]

I thought the same thing . Surprised they didn't come to that possible conclusion either still

[@billybob-wx2re]

Can't believe I'm still watching starcraft 20 years later.

[@johanmaasing]

In a questioning voice: "We're pretty good at knowing why they do things in the game" - Never stop with the analysis Tastless 🙂

[@Beanofritz]

Rain is my favorite player, so I am very happy about this. I want Rain to win!

[@BlackFoliageVol1]

That intro with the mineral patches is nuts

[@michaelbird9148]

Tough day for Rush. He was looking good going into the match, but things fell apart during it. Great build selection by Rain!

[@bladgier]

(POSSIBLE SPOILER) You guys made a great point about watching past casts, when you can see the length of the video. I'm currently at Rain 2 to 0 and I can see there's 30 minutes left of the stream and that instantly indicates Rain 4 0 to me or 4 to 1 tops which ruins the experience a little.

[@Healcannon]

Whelp all my race favorites are out now so all my rooting is for Soulkey to see how long he can get his streak.

[@jesse1381]

All of my guys went out too. I really don't mind Snow winning though his personality isn't exactly the nicest. Still have to give him credit that he's a great player. If he can somehow find a miracle and get through Soulkey he would definitely deserve to win the SSL

[@HappyChillmore]

And there it is! Let’s gooooooo

[@Entertainment-jv8xw]

i lost my job 2 weeks ago, I'm sorry I can't afford to support you guys you deserve it

[@SpurdoLOLW]

Threw on a coat to protect myself from the chills

[@gotohellpunk]

I spoil myself first to ensure the race I prefer wins, only then do I watch 😂

[@pandabearguy1]

Based

[@CoolEtCetera]

Love the mass production of Reavers from Rain !

[@madenitejb2203]

Was waiting for this! lets go!

[@VenomousStare]

My favorite series of the season. Rain, the brilliant macro player, at his best!

[@PoliticalFuturism]

Absolute madness. Loved it!

[@StarCraftNoobTrainer]

oh tasteless sitting on artosis` lap this time. nice.

[@bfors8498]

Guys, you could hide match length spoilers by using the premiere feature on KZbin. It acts like a stream if you watch it live, and you don’t see the length.

[@stefanc4520]

Crazy matches!

[@myMikeable]

I really need to get that plugin to block the lengths, once the 2nd game was over it was obvious who won.

[@zolniu]

Why did Rush even lift up his barracks when DTs were coming into his base? What was the point?

[@KevinKaneCanada]

I think that either: 1) Rush had units outside of his main, so he had to lift his barracks to let those units get back inside his base, or 2) the barracks wasn't initially part of a wall, so he had to move it to try to create a wall to prevent more DTs from entering his base.

[@jesse1381]

First DT went in completely unchecked. Rush was in major trouble at that point microing SCVs to try to stay alive while the ebay builds. Needed his Vultures back to his base asap so he lifted the Barracks to get his Vultures in without having to micro around the bunker because he was too busy. Rush was caught completely off guard and was too slow dropping the Barracks or could be he just forgot to land it sooner. Then when he noticed the 2nd DT hit the mine he immediately landed the Barracks which was a split second too late. There was a lot going on and his focus was on keeping SCVs alive and getting Turrets asap which he did save the expo and got rid of the DT. But yeah sadly for Rush the 2nd DT slipped in under the Barracks which was the nail in the coffin.

[@KevinKaneCanada]

@@jesse1381 Good analysis and well written, thanks!

[@TetraShot]

calling out the neck tattoo-protoss made me fall out of my fucking chair LMAO

[@oliverwarren1074]

The youtube plugin is called 'Anticipation' and it works perfectly. Just toggle it on before you go onto the video, and the timer will not appear. You have to use the arrow keys to seek. Happy viewing!

[@dirkauditore8413]

Ty bro

[@anonymousunrelated5780]

...BLOCKING SPOILERS...

[@IYPITWL]

Yep

[@markmuller7962]

I'm surprised a spoilers blocker finally got likes in this channel... I gues senility just slows thought processes for the most part

[@anonymousunrelated5780]

@@markmuller7962 just doing my part for those in the community who, like me, doesn't have access to watch the games live but want to feel the same chills as those who watched it live.

[@cl8804]

nt, jewbani

[@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175]

A sad day for Terran supremacists 😢

[@basil8940]

Instead of adding black screen time to lengthen the video, I suggest recording every TvT at x8 speed.

[@omgopet]

You can hear Artosis slowly die inside as the match goes on, but he still puts on a brave face and act professionally.

[@Stranzua]

R*** was really impressive.

[@SplashJohn]

I am SOOOOOOOOO looking forward to this! Let's GOOOOOO! (Edit: Uh . . . okay, just finished watching, and, uh . . . that was a major disappointment.)

[@belasstrongestwarrior]

Unfair, Rush was only playing at 80% strength because he thought it would be enough for Rain

[@MondSemmel]

1:11:30: Production feedback: Once again I wish the untranslated Korean part of the cast was lowered in volume while Tastosis cast over it.

[@josh1234567892]

36:39 If you want to hide the outcome of a game, you can just pad a video with a black screen for a while at the end so that viewers don’t know when the match is going to end. But yeah, not something I personally care about, just a thought.

[@Gwanzan3325]

Maybe pad the ending of videos by casting ladder replays? I would definitely stick around for that.

[@CorrectHorseBatteryStaple472]

Not the KZbin algorithm we want, but the one we deserve.

[@Supershadow7890]

Oh thank god you guys weren't consumed by SOOP

[@IvanMiotto]

Love the synergy with Tasteless and Artosis, they could call a Zerg specialist too

[@Beanofritz]

Cough COugh, DAY 9!

[@HasekuraIsuna]

I would triple my Patreon subscription if they got Day9 as a guest from time to time.

[@z3nev3r]

not sure if tasteless and artosis watch the interviews between the games - maybe because they are not yet translated at the time of recording, but I thought it would be cool to hear their thoughts on the player interviews.

[@eurapeon]

I have the same thought every upload. I wish we could hear their response to what the players say in the interviews. But you must be right, the translation isn't available at the time they cast the game

[@Goose_BW]

They have some weird aversion to translating Korean, despite living in Korea for 20 years

[@buttecake]

I think they do the recording as soon as they feasibly can. waiting for the translation would delay the upload of the video which I don't think they or we would think is worth it. That being said I do love having them help us understand the player interactions and scene so it is a shame they can't comment on it.

[@HasekuraIsuna]

Yeah, I remember a couple of years ago Artosis was like "I MUST KNOW WHAT WENT THROUGH THAT GUYS MIND, I NEED TO HEAR WHAT HE SAYS IN THE INTERVIEQ" interview comes and goes, and Artosis starts talking about the next match. Don't they speak any Korean themselves? I mean sure they need toilet breaks, but it seems like they never listen to the interview.

[@Yessia2]

I could be totally off on this but my guess as to the reason for Rush barracks positioning in g1 was that he was expecting a gas steal because of the map and was trying to make it look like he was going cc first. Had it not been scouted I think he would of thrown down a 2nd barracks to completely all in. That position also keeps him more safe if its a proxy gateway,(which as they mentioned not as popular these days but hey you never know, bo7, 2 player map) rather than the barracks being more far forward/middle of the map. Good to know about the plugins that hide the video length time, I'll have to look into that. In the past I generally just try to avoid looking at the video length as suggested, or if I do see it I just tell myself well you never know how long/short games can be, maybe a shorter video(especially now with bo7 format) you could have all 7 games but some are just really short.

[@BioReptiles]

Spoilers. I felt like the first two games it wasnt a Rain win but a Rush loss. Then the next two games rush just crumbled and Rain did run him over. In all honesty i think we are gonna have another zerg finals. Snow doesnt seem to be doing well at desition making right now and that is gonna be extreamly important if he wants to have any chance at beating Soulkey who is right now a beast devouring protoss and terrans. I dont see either sharp nor rain beating hero.

[@michael5045]

Game 2 was siiiiiick

[@PTfan54]

Can't wait to see what the Terran King of TvP has cooked up to get himself into the Round of 4!

[@anonymousAJ]

he cooked

[@raydespoir]

himself

[@superdrunkdnb]

Thanks for clearing that up with the length of the vod and dead space in the end of the video. I was wondering...

[@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS]

It's also BS. All of their videos already have skipped sections, they are called ads and interviews.

[@superdrunkdnb]

@@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS 😆 true

[@8684LYFE]

53:40 Arty felt the chill :D

[@TriDevious]

least its still not Rush's worse defeat in the ASL/SSL playoffs. He got 3-0 versus Flash randoming every race.

[@fancypants6062]

Ole Timebones, the Miss Cleo of e-sports at it again, letting people know they shouldn't look at the video length.

[@matthewcrockett604]

Been waiting for this

[@justahyundai]

i really needed something to distract me, THANK YOU TASTOSIS

[@DJball30]

"I can't wait for the game on Monty Hall" haha

[@jesse1381]

Robbed, it was so close, just needed one more game...

[@Cray2TheZ]

Fantastic games! GG

[@Agagdhshh]

I just came up with a new idea. What if you send a zealot with speed legs forward and shoot him with your own reaver and dive him into the enemy. Could you damage a tank without taking damage on the reaver?

[@pallytime2156]

A question I always wish Artois or Tasteless would ask after 1 of these early game rushes to cancel a nexus first = "Would X player just have been better off NOT rushing?" Would help me understand the game state.

[@BA-nc1ys]

If the Terran player loses, then yes they would have been better off focusing on economy and not rushing.

[@abunja]

It's either to end Protoss in that vulnerable state or to destroy their economic advantage by forcing them to spend resources on production buildings and tier 1 units rather than allow them to tech quickly.

[@AnimeFan-wd5pq]

What I’ve heard artosis say on this matter is that rushing a nexus first *is* the Terran’s macro build against it. So yes I think they would consider it essential.

[@zergu-yf3gd]

it's always better to not attack unless you can do real damage cos you invest in tech and units instead of workers and bases.. if they hold without losing a lot you are behind, usually fatally behind. later in the game this doesn't apply cos economy and production is massive, don't need more workers and can remake lost units.

[@zergu-yf3gd]

another simple way to think about it is, greedy macro build>middle of the road build>hyper aggressive build>greedy macro build

[@mauricemana3681]

So sweet seeing tasteless casting while sitting on artosis' lap

[@NoTengoStand]

The Premiere Feature can help hide the length of the video

[@TheUbernuck]

The event vods website links to youtube videos but hides the time bar while still letting you pause or scrub forward and backward, maybe get in contact with them

[@nile3226]

love it

[@drewwalbeck6006]

You guys remember that one GSL season where Solar showed up to the semifinals/finals in pajama pants?

[@dadapohlz]

Lets have em chills ready!

[@bunnybezos5709]

The DBD community actually adds on (30-45 minutes) to hide the length or turn out of games if that's something you guys are into. If their matches are 2-0, they tack on an extra bit of time to make sure the actual results are half-hidden. I know its more work but that might help you guys out some too if you just add like... blank screen for an hour.

[@samuelseiders7974]

“Someone get me KZbin on the phone! I have something very important to talk about with them.” Tastless

[@murphymediji5095]

Hype!

[@twinesper]

Great patient game 2 from Rain.

[@Saiakaa]

I GOT CHILLS!! I can see Rain winning this season if it's a PvP vs Snow at the end.

[@dyi620]

Rush just wasn't prepared.

[@CheatoVox]

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