【Eng Sub】Hololive members' reacts to Killing or Sparing Flowey【Undertale】【Hololive】

[@Pefonmo]

Pekora with her hidden kindness.

[@saberbestgirl20]

the fact she even tried to make up why she chose mercy other than pure kindness is just heartwarming

[@PK_Scratch]

She's just sparing a fellow war criminal so to let the chaos reign again.

[@cryw1092]

A criminal comedian with a heart of gold.

[@BlossomPathOnStage15]

Or she just wanted to prolonged his suffering. I mean sometime killing is too damn kind but forcing them to live the remained of their days knowing that all their effort is pointless is way worse.

[@fist-of-doom487]

I love how much Flowey forces you to answer his question in the beginning “You saved the life of a single person. But what will you do if you meet a relentless killer? Will you kill out of frustration?”

[@EnderStine]

also easily one of the hardest choices in the game sparing the flower

[@nathanphilipiah5967]

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[@tacoonthereaper]

"Once you kill you can't change your path. At that point, the only option is to kill everyone..." coming from Suisei that holds some weight. >w

[@cryw1092]

It's a prophecy, and she ended up fulfilling it herself on her return to the game. She knew herself very well.

[@saintlucifer4131]

That’s just some Batman bullshit

[@BlossomPathOnStage15]

Huh? Always thought the right phrase for that should something like this "Once you cross that path... that line you will never come back and by then there is only two options left for you to make... Either stay on that line (self-control kill only when necessary and self defence) or cross it to the point where you can't see the line anymore (kill everyone simply because you can)."

[@charlesbrown9805]

Huh?

[@saberbestgirl20]

i love how pekora tries to make excuses on why she choose mercy, such an angel

[@dx_Rain_xb]

War Criminals have standards then...

[@uckrkw-05-15]

while the actual angel didn't even hesitate killing flowey

[@zer0legend109]

@@uckrkw-05-15 ofc, angels are destined to deliver divine punishment to sinners with no hesitation or emotions, sasuga gorilla PPT up to her role as tenshi and gorilla

[@jayzenstyle]

@@uckrkw-05-15 angels aren't created to show hesitation, unlike humans. They follow through what they believe is right.

[@paorousama]

marine is such a shounen anime main character I love her

[@mathieul4303]

Exactly

[@cadence_2463]

Flowey: (Death threats) Marine: “Let’s battle again! It was quite fun fighting you.”

[@Narutokyubi50]

I think she was imitating Goku lmao

[@jeremycrosby5425]

You probably dont give a shit but does anybody know of a way to log back into an Instagram account? I was stupid lost my account password. I would appreciate any tips you can offer me.

[@mustafakace7106]

@Jeremy Crosby instablaster :)

[@TheIrrelevantYT]

I love how Watame realized exactly what it meant to kill Flowey: That even though she tried sparing everyone previously, a single kill means she had the potential to be evil. Makes sense why she didn't continue to the G-run.

[@hts9060]

*I love how there’s no in between, they either spared Flowey till the end or killed him first chance they got.*

[@text2005]

my short term memory must be worse than expected,

[@matafannimE]

I actually find it so interesting that Watame killed him after being such a softy. She even refused to do Genocide later on

[@ninjablade2]

I was expecting her to mercy and then kill when he threatened everyone else, she alllmost went that route but i guess there were just too many sins for her to overlook flowey's transgressions!

[@randomstupiddude3565]

Watame is fond of Asgore and his story and you know there's build up before the fight as well so it's a case of emotional rollercoaster lol

[@nitroblitz8]

I get that translating form Japanese to English is a bit wonky but in the English version after killing flowey, flowey said something like “ I knew you had it in you” which in my opinion is better then what he says in the Japanese version because it really makes you think upon your actions.

[@na-sa-do]

きたいどおり also has the connotation that Flowey was hoping for this and is proud of you for it, I think. So that carries over that way.

[@madnight1553]

yeah i agree with you, it have slight different meaning. “I knew you had it in you” means flowey knew well about you that you definitely someone who willing to kill. the english definitely deliver more it's meaning which makes you feel a pang of guilt that you are not much different after all

[@KaganeInugami]

To be honest I believe in Nuteruality in this kind of thing, even if we have the ability to kill doesn’t mean we have to, the power to fight is to protect, and to uphold justice, and only fight those who actually deserve it or force us to fight without another option, those being Flower and Asgore, for all we know the determination that was injected into the flower that was once asriel allowed him to kill everyone multiple times over, but that is a stupid idea. If he wanted to kill Asgore he should have done it himself instead of coming in at the last minute. In actuality, he is pathetic and weak

[@jonatanluna1061]

@@KaganeInugami He already said himself in the genocide route that he has already tried killing everyone himself. I think we can assume that includes the king too. He may be pathetic, but he isn't necessarily weak. He also isn't stupid, so i bet there's a reason he couldn't ever get this far before the player arrived. Flowey is pretty much supposed to be a player living in the game that's already exhausted every route the game had available to him. The main difference between Flowey and the Frisk is that Flowey lacks the ability to love. Which as we all know, is the most powerful force in all of fiction.

[@cryw1092]

@@jonatanluna1061 Especially in worlds where power is directly linked to the soul.

[@hakimdhaou]

There IS no way to humilliate Flowey more, than showing mercy. At that Point it's the thing, that would hurt him the most.

[@Nanaki404]

I love how some (Pekora, Watame, and Luna) really take the time to think about this choice

[@mukaonline3]

"Because i am luna" Shuba got vietnam flashback

[@EvenlyDay]

Watame's face is still cute, even when angry or upset. She's our fluffy sheep and for a good reason.

[@oskarbondesson4936]

Its a little sad that the translation said "as i expected!" instead of the original "i knew you had it in you..." I personally think it hits much harder.

[@wisefelipe]

Aparently in Japanese while the "as I expected" translation in this video is correct, it also carries a similar connotation to the "I knew you had it in you", so the message still comes across. They probably changed it in english exactly because it wouldn't have that connotation.

[@Kozmic_CL]

@@wisefelipe The game's original language is english.

[@nojatha4637]

@@Kozmic_CL Yeah, but when you translate something from English to an extremely different language like Japanese, it’s meaning, context, and demeanor can change. When translated back to English, it’s not going to be an accurate translation

[@Spiderdude93]

@@Kozmic_CL lol

[@jonatanluna1061]

@@nojatha4637 I think there's an important distinction that needs to be made here. Who here is talking about the text in-game, and who here is talking about the subtitles on the video. Because i think these 3 comments aren't quite on the same page.

[@keiishere511]

Everyone when playing the game : *emotionally attached to the characters they kill* Rushia when playing the game : "anyway, i started killing."

[@errorcopythat]

Luna is such a sweetie

[@xboxgorgo18]

A War Criminal spares a fellow Villain A Fluffy sheep kills the Alpha

[@geebeepman]

I imagine watame just walking up to flowey, lowers her head and simply grazed on him with a no f's given impression.

[@гдерука]

It is the first time I saw someone who chose to kill Flowey

[@fjshdf]

Dunkey did it

[@matheusrocha7293]

@@fjshdf But he did blindfolded, tied up and it wasnt even him playing, but his cousin

[@VBandit47]

@@matheusrocha7293 AND the sun was in his eyes

[@arhyllinchroma9062]

I saw a vid like “what happens if you kill flowey?” But not in an actual let’s play. Rushia is cold blooded

[@herofelicia]

i've never actually seen anyone kill flowey at this point. wow rushia edit: OH GOD I CAME BACK AND FINISHED IT... KANATA SO FAST!!.... i do love how some of them genuinely thought about it, but others were so quick to react.

[@ShadiC636]

You commented before watching the whole thing didn’t you?

[@Alphay01]

There's usually a whole lot of stuff like this missed because most people go straight pacifist first (Although it doesn't really matter if you off him here because all it does is not give you the pacifist hint, and prevent future Photo-Flowey fights). I've legit never seen a playthrough outside of Hololive where the player doesn't even know about the routes. It's why the Hololive playthroughs are my favorite ones.

[@TasukuMuncha]

@@ShadiC636 Instead of OP saying this, I didn't expect Watame to kill flowey o:

[@ShadiC636]

@@TasukuMuncha Was it the same for Flare, Kanta and Suisei?

[@TasukuMuncha]

@@ShadiC636 Nope, I would expect the three to kill flowey 😂

[@burnoutcat2387]

No hesitation from Senchou We swooned back then

[@piccolo748]

Vtubers have a hard time forgiving. Note taken.

[@desahuevate0]

eh? did you watch the same video? because Luna truly forgave him

[@zer0legend109]

it's a game, those who forgave easily wouldn't do the same for someone did the same for them in real life, at least hesitation is the better human reaction in this situation even I won't blame those who picked fight without hesitation

[@frostlone925]

Interestingly, to forgive doesn't mean not to kill, and to not forgive doesn't mean not to spare. Here, judging how Flowey looks satisfied when you kill him, and frustrated when you spare him, i think forcing him to live is a nice punishment in a way, particularly when you know the truth about him and how much being "alive" is meaningless to him. Besides, by killing him you prove a point he makes in the beginning depending on your actions, "you pretend that you want to spare everyone, but the day you'll face a merciless killer, you will strike him down out of frustration". And isn't letting his last thoughts be that his point was proven having too much mercy on a jerk like him? Anyways i think Subaru's decision and her reasons were the most interesting ones, at least in my opinion: if she killed him, her efforts to kill no one, not because it's the right thing but because she wants to, would all have been wasted, Flowey is a jerk, but if he does it again she can still stop him again, but clearly she won't give him the satisfaction to let him influence her decision. Her pacifism is not out of kindness, mercy or morals but rather out of acknowledging her other options and decided that she wanted not to kill. I honestly think that is the meaning of being a red soul (determination): you make a decision, and you don't let others keep you from fulfilling it. It may just be one of the morals of Undertale, you can live your life the way you want, as long as it was your decision, as long as you accept the consequences of that decision, and as long as you accept that it won't always lead you somewhere good, nor somewhere bad. In that way, all of their decisions were motivated by their own beliefs, so they're all interesting. (still i like Subaru's better, perhaps because it's closer to my own belief x3)

[@javierchamorro8988]

You can feel the kindness behind Marine's, Pekora's and Luna's decision, the righteousness behind Flare's and Watame's and the desire for vengance behind Rushia's and Kanata's. They all made their judgement on Flowey. Subaru didn't. She made a judgement on herself. She won't forgive Flowey, but what happens to him is not for Subaru to decide. She's no judge. From different points of view, that can be seen as a lack of conviction (to do what must be done), the upholding of one's convictions (not being swayed by other's actions) or the foolish withholding of her inner desires. Either way, that's a very interesting personality.

[@wilsonso5784]

Suisei: *That means I have to kill everyone now.*

[@frostlone925]

@@javierchamorro8988 yeah, you're an interesting philosophy partner aren't you? Even with your point of you i honestly can't tell if her mentality is good or wrong. Anyways all of them had their reasoning and motives behind killing or sparing, hers is just more interesting to me because as you said it's not about judging Flowey, and she's i think the only one who went that way. I'd argue it can be a good thing, because after all who has the right to judge others? Her purpose was to stop him, but past that purpose she may not be the person suited to tell if he deserves to live or die, and if he deserves to die for he killed someone she would deserve to die the same if she killed him. If the alignment chart holds any meaning anymore she's the definition of true neutral on this decision. edit: i may as well be overinterpreting it and she just had zero conviction about how to go with morals in this playthrough so she just stuck with a straight goal instead, i dunno honestly but i still like her reasoning for it being the most unique x)

[@trash1170]

you guys know this is just a video game right?

[@gabbyn.3049]

@@trash1170 please be a joke lol

[@MrKaiju-sr8wu]

It may seem like a more satisfying option to kill Flowey here, since he’s given you no reason to show him any mercy. But the thing is, if you kill him, you’re only proving his point. So sparing him is much more of a win for you, really

[@PK_Scratch]

Eh. But that's basically flowey just being happy with general platitudes? If you were to put it in a real life scenario. Imagine say an Arson that believes there's only two ways. To see the world burn or to be burned. And after they burn a house full of people and all the evidence that it was them, you have the choice to kick him into the fire or not and have said arson run away (and just generally hope that they don't do it again and that if they do, you'll be there somehow to stop him.) Honestly, I'd just kick the arson right there and then to prevent anymore tragedies from a person who definitely has no remorse and stop him and let him "win" his own argument that he most likely used to support his own actions. Plus lore wise in the game. Flowey will definitely redo his violent actions, I mean, that's literally part of the plot and what he has been doing.

[@MrKaiju-sr8wu]

@@PK_Scratch ... you can’t really compare this kind of scenario to real life.

[@PK_Scratch]

@@MrKaiju-sr8wu you can to an extent. But yeah, the game is really more of an emotional ride with a clear idealized portrayal of pacifism with the intent to provide meaningful character moments, so it's not intended to actually challenge your worldviews or teach pacifism in depth or whatnot, as the actual struggles and cost of pacifism isn't really challenged or touched on in details. It's really just more intended to be a fun game with an interesting gimmick and a twist on the general mindset when playing JRPGs.

[@habialtx3]

dunno man, i just wanna kill flowey so bad. i want him to know how weak is he. So Genocide was my ocd was trigerred when killing flowey lol.

[@namvo3013]

Death is just too nice for him. A miserable life is more fitting punishment imo.

[@fedegs2020]

"tatakau, tatakae" Watame Jaeger

[@HeseliqMikav]

Meanwhile Reine : "I don't want to kill you, i want to chain you to the basement and pluck your petals one by one"

[@DyaMetR]

PPTenshi didn't even hesitate lmao

[@mathieul4303]

Marine the true anime protagonist

[@Zefo_No]

Didn't think I'd get so emotional watching Watame's scene, but after all she's been through in that playthrough...

[@keatonheidenreich9014]

Is there any translation for their reaction to asgores death and flowey crashing the game?

[@faqtl1520]

I can do a specific vtuber reacting to it like what I did for marine

[@keatonheidenreich9014]

@@faqtl1520 yes pls

[@Salvador-312]

Loved that Watame killed flowery, because after, she does the pacifist run and forgives asriel and she was bawling. Goodsheep

[@m.h7881]

suisei with 30k goal just 1 and half year ago

[@Mewseeker]

Pekora : "All right, that's it, that enough, I'm killing y... Did you really fell for that?" 8:23 Luna know what's up. :P

[@stevej8589]

Watame T_T

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

I love Flowey’s death line in the Neutral Run

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

I like the English one more, but this is pretty cool as well

[@wakamoon1910]

might seem unexpected but watame has father issues so understandable she's really mad at flowey for killing her papa in this game.

[@fel524]

Yeah. The desire to kill or spare flowey at that point stems from your childhood and how you were brought up, plus the trauma experienced. Vastly different and divisive reactions here. Great to see so many different perspectives.

[@luckvoltiac88]

this moment makes a difference you're still someone who won't kill or have some darkness in you if you kill flowey he wins since you couldn't keep your word not to kill anyone

[@irisinthedarkworld]

I love how little hesitation flare had. no second guessing

[@pizasuki]

Shouldn't 4:24 be: "Goku also showed mercy to Vegeta and Piccolo!"? Also great compilation btw, thanks for the video.

[@faqtl1520]

Oops you're right, thanks for pointing it out!

[@toyuki6367]

I wish I had forgotten this game So I could play it once again

[@frigid01]

This ain't pekora's first run in undertale, which is why she doesn't have much reactions haha

[@JonJonFE]

Watames angry face is too cute gahhhh

[@ShirakoriMio]

Meanwhile FBK "KILLS EVERYONE FIRST TIME"

[@triosciankliquit9982]

This gives you insight to the deeper nature of humans and the psychology of these Hololive members.

[@TetrixJ]

Suisei way ahead of everyone else playing it 2 years ago damn

[@CrimRui]

Gotta love Senchou. She knows that sparring him you will be better then him. Others, really... don't forgive haha

[@treadnokash7598]

0:56 peko:should i reform myself by forgiving him? -how can you say something so controversial,yet so brave-

[@Gensolink]

it's a shame they didnt gave the mercy button the cracked texture it had in the EN version.

[@varianwrynn1995]

The cracked texture of the mercy button is only seen after Asgore is defeated. The reason it's cracked is because Asgore destroyed it when the fight started. Regardless of the language, the mercy button for flowey will not be cracked.

[@Gensolink]

@@varianwrynn1995 oh fuck you're right. It's been so long since I saw undertale lol

[@Rodrigo761980]

Every girls : Struggle to make a choice Kanata and Suisei : Forgiveness is between them and God. It’s my job to arrange the meeting. But honestly, I find this choice so interesting, it's easy to justify killing flowey because it's the right thing to do, or because you have spared everyone else, but I wonder how many peolpe reflected on that choice once they knew flowey's side of the story. I like that kind of villain, the kind you hate so much you kill him without second thought, but when you learn why they became the villain, you cry all the tears of your body

[@dx_Rain_xb]

1:08 Genderless Child in "If Undertale was Realistic-Genocide": I raised that child

[@FoxySky_]

Even after 2 years im still mad most of them didn’t spare flowey lol

[@gabnimations3205]

6:55 watameren

[@kite1118]

They can choose whatever they want but if they'll pick mercy they'll get a hint for a true pasifist. Isn't that just fair?

[@pepeperesosos8188]

Woow, the gorila-tenshi no mercy

[@fireflygaming2396]

I feel like an absolute moron for how long it took me to see but the "kind" ending has stong batman vibes to it

[@KenanVonKaiser]

Watame!

[@benjaminaltube8731]

Guess flowey was right lol

[@SageSchispell]

Dang so many of them were just so merciless and fell to Flowey's level so quick. Good on Senchou though realizing it's not forgiving Flowey, it's saying "Yeah I'll fight you again and again and protect everyone."

[@赤ゲキ]

Well, Senchou is a Tsundere after all. One may think she does not care but she does in her own way.

[@ProdyP]

roboco also reached this part btw

[@mathieul4303]

All of them are playing the game this is amazing (for me) 😭😭😭

[@jonatanluna1061]

And then many of the same girls that chose "Fight" would later be seen holding Asriel in their arms and crying. Oh sorry, I mean, "eating soba."

[@robertlauncher]

Not one of them asked how a flower runs

[@AniRUOkay]

WATAME DIDN'T SPARE FLOWEY WHAT-

[@charsage1036]

Honestly i really like how they for killing or sparing flowey ya he deserves to die for his crimes but if you do kill flowey you prove him right and in a way he wins if you kill him.

[@BigBoyMemeZone]

lmao flare.... no hesitation

[@toyuki6367]

4/9 had chosen the good choice Damn...

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Killing Flowey at this point seems so unsatisfying.

[@Ith.977]

I thought Marine was talking about Vegeta and Piccolo from dbz, referring to how villains can become friends too.

[@Dogan_TM]

Based Subaru not killing out of spite lmao

[@relon7096]

Kanata, Flare: doesn't hesistate to kill Senchou: doesn't hesistate to spare

[@felikstimeshow6341]

Marine and Luna The Bests

[@boussIRL]

I'm curious how many of the Hololive members who killed Flowey went back and did True Pacifist

[@XIxR3DEEM3RxIX]

Kanata's motto: NO MERCY!! Icecold killer! xD

[@gabriel-qs5gj]

And now im scared of Rushia...

[@the711devin4]

English Flowey is more violent than Japanese Flowey. Japanese Flowey only wants to kill your friends, English Flowey wants to kill everyone you love.

[@TehFoamy]

I like how the Vtubers who killed Flowey were like "But he killed Asgore!! I can't forgive him!!" but apparently that means they forgive Asgore for killing 6 children?

[@Dogan_TM]

Goat papa gets a pass.

[@TehFoamy]

@@Dogan_TM I am lowkey kind of an Asgore apologist ngl

[@EmptyKing23]

wow, the ones i expected to kill chose spare and vice-versa...

[@Eira1248]

Oh will you look at that intro! *"FAQ"*

[@PK_Scratch]

It's all fine since it's a game. But in real life, we'd be looking at the end trial of something akin to a mass murderer and basically choosing to let said mass murderer run free with the vain hope that they won't commit the same crime and that if they do, we'd just beat them up and let them free again. Basically the Batman route, huh? RIP Gotham common folk.

[@Uran_KH-98]

Pekora be like: "I want to kill him. Is it okay for me, right? I have the right to do that? Please, I want to kill him. Ehhh ... what can I do, yours took, so I will forgive him." Sasuga war criminal 😂

[@axelproductions1710]

One thing I think they miss is that, Sparing someone, giving Mercy to someone, isn't forgiving them, it's just refusing to fight. It can lead to it, if the one giving mercy wishes to forgive

[@DirectorDead]

Vegetoid and Parsnik huh lol

[@shaunthesheep24]

Marine = Goku Flare = Vegeeta

[@mystery4561]

I would like to see a video of them reacting that flowey is asriel but is it just my thoughts though.

[@reeno1357]

He is such a hateable character and i understand that some of the Girls Killed him in the end. But my decision would have been to forgive him cause... He Took lives Sure, but that doesnt give me the right to decide If He gets to live or Not. Just Look at him His head hanging down, looking completely humiliated, He lost enough with His defeat. Also there is No way He could get Stronger than with the Souls so even If He would come Back He would still get defeated. To Not forgive him that is ok i couldnt forgive him either but i could never kill flowey even If i wanted to and even with all the hate i have felt for this character in my playthrough. Its a absolutely Moral decision to make and i understand the Girls choice.

[@ahrichards5241]

Not his fault he was reborn without a SOUL, as a fucking flower too. Sure he did a lot wrong, but the ultimate cause of it all was beyond his control. Fuck you Alphys. (I'm kidding)

[@96kami31]

4th gen has something in common xD

[@proc7386]

Didn't the english version of the game say "I knew you had it in you..." when you kill Flowey?

[@alfredofernando9599]

If i were the player, i will choose mercy a.k.a forgive, cause the main weapon to kill and destroy evilness was kindness. And by choose the mercy, you show how big your dignity and respect even to the eviless people or creature. But everybody has their own heart and believes on them, so this is only my thought

[@weixin10]

If that ideal worked in the real world. It’d be a better place.

[@alfredofernando9599]

@@weixin10 i hope so, also if you spare flowey you can get true pacifist ending, which is the true ending

[@oliverpearce2338]

Didn't Rushia bully Aloe in their other personas? She is kinda heartless

[@determinedgod4743]

The people who didn't spare him are now no better than he is.

[@supergamers8030]

True

[@VisoredKuzu]

Ah wait didn't Matsuri play undertale too? Wonder what her choice was.

[@BrokenSIMGlasses]

spare

[@corbor2216]

Not a fan of the mercy option being the obvious good one. This is like having Hitler right in front of you, but you just let him go scott free. Sometimes you don’t have the right to show mercy to someone. Especially if most of their crimes weren’t against you.

[@uzumakinaruto3772]

You cannot apply this game to Hitler. Yeah irl i will kill hitler but in this game you have infinite opportunity to beat flowey again because this is a game. die and respawn to make the situation right sparing flowey is the best options to this game but you cannot apply this to hitler

[@mystery4561]

Ok but why compare a video game flower to a dictator?

[@BrokenSIMGlasses]

am I the only one who find Kanata's "there's no way I would forgive him"

[@Iuwl]

Pekora: chaotic good Rushia: lawful evil Marine: lawful good Flare: lawful neutral Watame: lawful evil Luna: chaotic neutral Kanata: lawful evil Subaru: lawful neutral Suisei: chaotic evil

[@Rixstarian]

Watame LE? Absolutely not.

[@paorousama]

watame's reasoning is more chaotic good than the others. If flowey didnt kill asgore she would have most likely chosen the latter

[@javierchamorro8988]

Flare and Subaru with the same alignment, yet they chose differently. Interesting. Rushia's and Kanata's lack of hesitation show them to be neutral evil. Watame hesitated, but ultimately chose revenge. Absolutely lawful evil.

[@paorousama]

I dont get how flare is lawful neutral when there was no reason behind her kill other than "ill just kill this one and no one else" At least watame justified it by saying she forgave everyone else while the crime flowey commited was too much even for her to forgive and her kill was for punishing murder. Idk about revenge since asgore wasnt related to watame or the character personally - and anyway revenge isnt only an evil thing even in DND

[@Rixstarian]

@@javierchamorro8988 If you were watching Kanata's run more, you'd equate her more to CN than NE. Killing isn't automatically Evil even in the context of Undertale. It's motivation.