Was The SSC Tuatara 331 MPH World Record Run Real?

What Really Happened During The SSC Tuatara Record Run? Can It Go 331 MPH?
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How Fast Is The "331 MPH" SSC Tuatara Really? This video will focus on three questions: 1) What do we know about the SSC Tuatara world record controversy? 2) How fast did the SSC Tuatara actually drive - was the 331 mph GPS speed accurate? 3) How fast can the SSC Tuatara go based on the specifications? We'll do some easy-to-understand calculus to understand how far the Tuatara actually drove based on the video, and use that to determine what the possible explanations are. In preparation for this video, I spoke with Jerod Shelby of SSC, Dewetron (the GPS company), Driven Studios (video production company), Oliver Webb (the driver of the run), and Shmee (the channel that explained the controversy to the masses). Check out the video for all the details!
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[@EngineeringExplained]

I know us KZbinrs say this all too often, but please watch all the way through! This story actually developed amidst my filming of this video, so the video will walk you through everything that happened, and at the end I get some answers to my remaining questions. Thanks for watching!

[@borjagarcia6858]

We were all waiting for this 👌

[@LittleNicky.]

There's more anticipation around this than who was just elected president

[@srinitaaigaura]

Racelogic MD's roast was the worst.

[@cyrilthomas9730]

Yeah of course This was and is very controversial... and interesting... So...whats the truth?

[@Skepparkroken5]

So, what was the topspeed in the video based on your theoretical mathematics??(You did’nt answer that)

[@GearsandGasoline]

"presumably the virus, although it would be funny if it was the beer." Thanks, Jason.

[@EngineeringExplained]

There are some mysteries we'll never solve!

[@actualperson1971]

@@elijah_9392 Polygamy is great. I wish I had a girlfriend and a boyfriend

[@cameronlotter1392]

Pleasure loser

[@petrkubena]

AFAIK they are Austrians. They wouldn't touch Corona (I believe you call it "beer"?) unless they needed something to simulate piss.Mystery solved ;)

[@tomasgurrieri3117]

It would be even funnier if it was the italian band that made "Rhythm of the Night" back in the 90s.

[@Bigbuddyandblue]

Jason gets pulled over by Highway Patrol: Officer: “Do you know how fast you were going?” Jason: “Hold my whiteboard”

[@FN-rr6mk]

That was. Good

[@rageauto1291]

Thank you officer, if you have any questions or comments feel free to write them below

[@tc6818]

The officer was about to let Jason off with a warning, but then Jason said, "and here's some dumbed down calculus you might be able to understand".

[@johnathandow5376]

Wait...I don't think Highway Patrol are able to chase Jason, not a chance

[@Courtesyflush52]

@@tc6818 it would have to be dumbed down to basic arithmetic

[@nathansmith3608]

"what kind of mileage does it get?" "about 1.36 miles per mile"

[@RockitFX1]

OMG 😂😂😂😂😂

[@dragonking2729]

LoL

[@ForTomorrowToday]

You know whats funny, when I ask some people for the mileage, I get an answer like 46000

[@grogblue]

@@ForTomorrowToday those are tire people.

[@terryfuldsgaming7995]

@@ForTomorrowToday Clearly they think you are asking the car's mileage, not the cars MPG... thats your fault for not knowing english buddy...

[@Tony-nl6pf]

So basically props to Koenigsegg for having a accurate speedometer and data xD

[@bigwacha7410]

everybody gangsta till the *WHITE BOARD SHOWS UP!!!*

[@michaelcalkins8648]

Math talks and BS walks!

[@srpsrp3649]

Engineering ftw

[@mooncookie3688]

*WHITE BOY

[@jantzenallen3077]

@@mooncookie3688 stfu

[@angelruizvillot2665]

That math he did it gave me headache.

[@MrCyberamp]

1. Get any car 2. Buy Dewetron device and put in a +50% correction factor on the speed 3. Film everything and don't store it. 4. Claim world record. 5. Hi guys I'm Shmee!

[@ast5515]

You just made my Nissan Leaf capable of doing 140 MPH. In reality it's limited to around 90.

[@richardharrold9736]

@@ast5515 the Leaf floorpan's dimensions are close enough to those of the GT-R to make a drivetrain swap feasible... you'd have to shorten the GT-R wheelbase, and make some arch extensions to cover the wider wheels, but a 200+mph Leaf build could be done.

[@paulwood6729]

@@richardharrold9736 Nissan did that to the Juke.

[@richardharrold9736]

@@paulwood6729 and before that, Severn Valley Motorsports did it to a Qashqai.

[@zachyoung5598]

Just make sure it doesn't say 20mph before you're even moving 😆

[@mbj__]

A 22 min video proving that SSC lied, but not actually spelling it out. That's some serious political skills 😁

[@C41N4]

Weird... the video I just watched proved they didn’t lie. 🤔

[@brentbartley6838]

Sounds like SSC brought max downforce package cars for a vmax run, either they screwed up and brought the wrong cars or their vmax gearboxes weren't ready or reliable for a vmax run and then fudged the data because their claimed speeds aren't far off the theoretical top speeds for the specs they claim for the vmax box but the speeds they seemed to have run by video analysis are close to the max downforce car's theoretical top speed.

[@joer5057]

@@C41N4 which part? Where he said there must've been a 1.4x correction factor to align the video, the part where SSC seemed to be misleading everyone about the GPS verification, maybe the part where he said that SSC is now going back on their word of releasing the 'additional footage', or perhaps it's the tidbit towards the end where the sound frequencies didn't line up? Because, it sure seems like SSC is suddenly playing defense. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it be true. Those pushing the performance envelope are developing incredible feats of engineering. But, there is a VAST difference between the 'corrected' 22X mph and the claimed 331 mph.

[@C41N4]

@@joer5057 bro... this was literally 5 months ago. I don’t care. I was wrong. I moved on. You should too. Take care ✌🏽

[@ItumelengS]

@@C41N4 nah bruh your lies stay with you

[@LMacNeill]

"So we lied our asses off, and got caught by several observant people, so now we have to re-do everything." There. I fixed it for you. ;-)

[@ochenGsUp]

😂🤣😂

[@404nobrakes]

This is the most blatantly obvious lie in the automotive world in a long, long time if so.

[@realMaverickBuckley]

TL;DW Version * 🤣

[@richardhammer187]

"And forgot to invite Guinness to verify the run"

[@kruemel534]

maybe they had the wrong gearing and "just" corrected for that

[@seanek9]

“Hey you know that data logging equipment we bought to record the top speed run? Ye.....we didn’t bother logging any of the data and just used it to display a number on a cheap laptop screen and record it with a camera .” I work in vehicle testing and I’ve never hear something so ridiculous.

[@ralanham76]

Because the actual data was recorded and it says you know the truth

[@mikeflaum8314]

Agreed! I use an AIM Solo DL2 for recording my trackdays and I always get a file of every session with all the OBD2 data and GPS data. Then I analyze the data file by importing to the analysis software. It makes no sense that there is no GPS and CAN/OBD2 data file.

[@emanuelherrerias4082]

We'd love to go back to the moon but we cant; we lost all of the telemetry data Oops

[@ifyoureplytomeyouregay4293]

Bugatti BOLIDE: wanna listen a joke? *a Koenigsegg Jesko*

[@ifyoureplytomeyouregay4293]

@The Anonymus Apdroid like you will ever do 300mph lmao

[@JoeAchilles1]

It was definitely a genuine run (of roughly 240mph).

[@adamwitham516]

RIP to the driver who tries to do 300mph in the second run 💀

[@robertvlasceanu3836]

Hello Joe from carwow drag races. Your bmw is nice

[@alphaay6122]

@@adamwitham516 lol

[@amp888]

Don't knock it! It'd be quite an engineering achievement to only match the McLaren F1's top speed over 20 years later with about 1000hp (claimed) more power! ;)

[@RobertMitchell]

@@amp888 🤣

[@TWEECH45]

Can we talk about how people will be driving a car that was built by people that don't know the difference between 240 and 330 miles per hour!

[@McLarenMercedes]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="960">16:00</a> "You plug in the numbers based on *SSC specifications* ..." Well, therein lies the problem. Can we trust them? In the 1930's already both Mercedes and Auto Union discovered that lowering the drag is relatively simple. The real challenge is to keep the car aerodynamically stable at speeds over 400km/h(250mph). It's a difficult trade off. Side winds reportedly made Bernd Rosemeyer lose control of his Auto Union streamliner while doing 440km/h (274mph) and yet they had pioneered an early form of ground effect to prevent lift and tested models in wind tunnels. Rosemeyer crashed and died - and he is widely believed to be one of the greatest pre-war drivers with insane skills. So let's assume the Tuatara is as insanely aerodynamically slippery as they claim (hard to believe - especially considering the latest revelations). If so its theoretical top speed is truly theoretical because it's a death trap above 250mph and you'd have to find a present day driver with the self-preservation instinct of the race drivers of the 1930's (pardon my sarcasm) to attempt that. Especially on a public road. If the car isn't as slippery as their claim (which I dare sounds awfully optimistic in this type of car) then it's simply not capable of reaching its claimed top speed.

[@juliantaffa4089]

If SSC are happy to lie about the speed, I can't see any reason to believe them about any of the other numbers they've published.

[@luisfelipewellenkamp5805]

The Jesko (absolut) has 0.279Drag coef. And it looks slicker than the tuatara. Aerodynamics is one of the few thing that you can sorta tell just by looking. I just dont think the Tuatara has the same Drag as the Jesko. The SSC also has a bigger engine producing more power, which requires more cooling. . . And from where would SSC get the budget to refine their car to up to 0.279? Mr Koenigsegg said he spent a lot of money (more than a million perhaps? Can't remember what he said in the Geneva Motorshow) to achieve 0.279. SSC hasn't delivered a single car yet. It

[@miguelmc2289]

exactly. That's the same engineering feat that Bugatti and Koenigsegg are able to achieve and what makes them so damn incredible. Then, "a dude" from the USA claims he can do it too... I mean yeah, I believe you can but at what cost?? Such compromises make it unpractical. It's like driving a road-legal dragster. The question isn't if you can reach 500km/h but if you can do it without dying.

[@Tacet137]

@@luisfelipewellenkamp5805 much more than 1 mil for drag reasarch by cvk, more like 10 mil

[@edtheduck6219]

Also, I see a frontal area in your calculations of ~1.7m2 whereas the consensus seems to be that it is somewhere between 1.9 and 2.1m2?

[@s.flanders]

You were very diplomatic in describing Jerod's position in your call with him, but his deflection/deception around the existing run suggests they don't want to give any more data on it, because it would likely show that the car did not go anywhere near the claimed speed. So it's easier for them to pretend like they hold a record with an asterisk and give themselves more time to actually break it. If they can actually get close to 330mph, then we can expect another run to be organized. But I see it as almost as likely that they'll make excuses (e.g. can't get the road closed, weather, etc.) for why it can't happen until people forget and stop caring.

[@mikes9756]

very true. they have dug thereselves a hole of lies, and the only way now is to dig deeper sadly

[@robertjusic9097]

I think they'll go with the quiet and forget tactics. Most of big companies do this in modern times. In half a year nobody will even care about ssc. Maybe in 2 years they actually break 300 mph and then everyone will be saying how they were genuine the whole time.

[@mateogarcia1207]

So are you guys unaware that they will be rerunning to legitimize their record or?

[@mateogarcia1207]

With multiple GPS companies, Guinness,and the KZbin accusers as well

[@s.flanders]

@@mateogarcia1207 But why are they so hesitant to show raw video from the run that already happened? And do you really believe their claim that no actual GPS data was logged from the "record" runs?

[@HumbleMechanic]

Dumb=Easy for Charles to understand...

[@EngineeringExplained]

Here for you bud!

[@justkiddin1980]

Wow it is really a who is who of youtube celebrities in the comments...

[@FelixPisecker]

@@EngineeringExplained you're pretty rough on my boi riemann this episode

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

That's to technical for me... Care to explain using smaller words?

[@richardbostick8675]

@@blahorgaslisk7763 in smaller words this would be a a 3 hour video hahaha 😆 🤣 😂 😄

[@bornaasi8734]

Me in calculus class: “there’s no way I’ll ever use this outside this room.” Shmee: “HI GUYS IM SHMEE!”

[@richardhammer187]

So this translated to 251.2mph, before it began to disintegrate lol

[@polomarknot17]

SSC: "the good news is that the numbers are on our side" The numbers: not at all on their side

[@paulzapodeanu9407]

The second line must be in Morgan Freeman's voice.

[@DaftFader]

Plot twist, Shelby Can't count!

[@Horizontally.Opposed]

Vmax 345mph isn't a number that's on their side?

[@frrrmphpoo1700]

SSC: on the wrong side of truth The numbers: on their side

[@paulzapodeanu9407]

@@Horizontally.Opposed Assuming it's got the power that they say it has, but at this point I wouldn't trust them if they said a circle is round.

[@zenmaster666]

if ssc actually lied about this, what's stopping them from lying about the cars power, weight, drag and frontal area?

[@RobEustace]

This is something I also thought, have these been verified by any one other than SSC? If there are doubts about 1 thing they claim then surely it is possible that other numbers don't match their claims either.

[@sd_forrest]

I agree with you...👍👍👍

[@minnick99]

@PhotoGeorge Nelson Racing Engines is about as trustworthy as SSC. They have never built an engine that is in any type of real race car. They build pretty engines for show cars for guys that want to impress the Cars and Coffee crowd.

[@MrAruss99]

@@minnick99 I think the engine power is easier to believe than anything else from them. The frontal area and downforce figures are ones I feel are much harder to actually achieve.

[@Maurice_Moss]

I thought that, we just have to take their word on everything 🙄

[@tomphan6414]

damn, never thought EE would become mythbusters. I'd love to see more vids debunking stuff using science

[@frasercrone3838]

Marketing is all about pushing the boundaries of truth. You go to university to learn how to lie basically'. The boundaries have been pushed so far now that a new definition of a lie is needed. It is no infectious as our politicians lie, our layers lie, our public officials lie and of course the media lies. Elon believes in freedom of speech so he can lie and get away with it.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

The most worrying thing about this is how badly it's faked. There are so many holes in their story and so many lame excuses. A total lack of attention to detail - not the sort of company you want to buy a hypercar from; they might forget to bolt the wheels on.

[@danieltroger1761]

also the production quality of the video sucks, the gps displays speed even though the car is at a standstill and if you look at the bushes and lines going by it feels hella slow

[@dranzergigs8333]

The rate of acceleration after 300 was suspicious. The air drag must be monstrous at those speeds!

[@RobertMitchell]

Thanks for the video and for validating that my middle school math on the google laps side was accurate 🤣🤣. I calculated 246 vs your 243. Of course your more advance breakdown shows even slower which is insane!!! One correction is that I believe there is a gear ratio that is between the two that you listed. It’s what I confirmed with the sonic testing :-) Great vid and wonderful work!!!

[@EngineeringExplained]

Ahh interesting - yeah, definitely curious what the gear ratios are. The sound analysis was fascinating - hadn't ever heard/thought of something like that before! Thanks for the correction!

[@kenlarge5154]

"you’re"

[@ultimateshinedetail]

Robert I hope you have given Jarrod the invitation of help and support in your garage for when the high downforce version goes for the Nurgburgring record that would be even more 🤔 interesting

[@RobertMitchell]

@@kenlarge5154 you won the internet today! Talk to apple about their Siri dictation for me pls 🤣

[@Dotherightthing832]

I'm not a public person so it's so much easier for me to call the things the way I see them without being extremely cautious with wording etc... The way I and many others see it is that Jerod tried to pull a fast one (although not as fast as he'd hoped for) on everybody, creating hype behind his product for obvious reasons 💵💵💵/fame. The number of updates/explanations he published including the very emotional(but not an Oscar worthy) ??? video,statement proving that GPS operator has verified the run(which didn't have a chance of happening), plus the production team malfunction made it very difficult to trust this him. My point is that it takes a lot of time to build a trust but it only takes a second to lose it... Such a shame as I was genuinely interested in this project from the very first time that I had read about it in the Top gear magazine about a decade ago.

[@marcoimanuel5489]

Bugatti engineers: "we're so much more advanced than we thought we were"

[@avrggamer69]

You mean Volkswagen is more advanced than they thought

[@dew62169]

@@avrggamer69 comedy

[@JayMaverick]

Common experience with people who actually are advanced.

[@jvs9467]

Koenigsegg Agera RS still has the record U know 😜💪🏼

[@myusername3689]

@Amarjit Singh Bugatti has the record, now we have to wait for jesko and bolide. Unless SSC is real but I doubt it.

[@IvelLeCog]

As a NZer, I'm a little dismayed at the fact that a car named after our national lizard (not Judith Collins but the Tuatara) has been subject to so much controversy.

[@donbrashsux]

NZNZNZNZNZNZNZNZ slowest moving Lizard..

[@johnnyg4703]

When engineering explained joins the argument the opposing side might as well quit

[@zinj2618]

The fact that they wont release the proper actual "record" run makes it even more suspicious for me, i mean if the issue was a mix-up of videos, then just upload the proper footage that was meant to be used.

[@THESLlCK]

doesn't make sense when you can just do it again to prove it with witnesses

[@abdulmalikkautsar4898]

@@THESLlCK does make sense if you want to tell the truth nonetheless

[@THESLlCK]

@@abdulmalikkautsar4898 why tell the truth when you can demostrate it

[@cheng2006]

@@THESLlCK Because they can't do it

[@lolbots]

the dog ate my video

[@barryfields2964]

So they have released the edited video, but they can’t release the raw footage, because it’s not really yet? That doesn’t even make any sense.

[@zinj2618]

Exactly, just release the raw footage, why do they need an entirely new run? Its BS!

[@THESLlCK]

@@zinj2618 an entirely new run would prove it, genius

[@abdulmalikkautsar4898]

@@THESLlCK a genius won't call others, genius.

[@THESLlCK]

@Elias Håkansson why would I believe footage as opposed to the actual run being performed live?

[@zinj2618]

@@THESLlCK SSC claim that something went wrong in the editimg room, if any other organization was in the same scenario they would have qucikly taken down the wrong footage and uploaded the proper one, within a day of questions being raised. Its been over a week now? you wanna tell me they couldn't be bothered to kill off the bad press by a simple video upload?

[@JoshuaCard]

Thank you so much for making this! As soon as I heard about the controversy, I was hoping you'd do a video showing all of the numbers and calculating the potential top speed of the Tuatara.

[@btl4665]

Surprising how he can pack so much information into a short time frame. And it's even more surprising that I heard and understood

[@EngineeringExplained]

Really appreciate it, this felt like quite a long video to me, but it's a great summary IMO of everything that happened! Thanks for watching!

[@btl4665]

@@EngineeringExplained currently studying mechanical engineering. Your videos gave me a solid foundation even before I got in. Many thanks and keep up the good work. We are all here for you. Kinda wish you were my lecturer.

[@parlmc]

not going to lie: since I heard of this situation I waited for this very video to be uploaded. definitely not disappointed: you're always very professional and informative.

[@aintaintaword666]

Agree: this is the only popular car youtuber who can be explaining something boring for 20 minutes and everyone would follow

@a person That's not an answer to what I said.

[@heinzerbrew]

@ To tell you the truth, I'm always suspicious of people that tell me that they aren't going to lie.

[@mgbrv8]

You know koenigsegg and Bugatti are just loving all this 😂

[@laurean5998]

I want christian van koenigsegg to challenge ssc to make the re-run event a race against them, that would be epic

[@Rythyms]

@@laurean5998 Just for fun Bugatti should show up as well!

[@laurean5998]

@@Rythyms nah. They don't have a cool bald ceo. Cristian and Jerod need to make this something personal. Koenigsegg needs to come out with a video calling jerod a knock-off-christian, they would both end up going 350mph because nobody would want to loose after such a statement was made.

[@vika0194]

@@laurean5998 Von*

[@BlahBleeBlahBlah]

I reckon Christian gave Shmee a call to suggest he investigate further. Christian’s a super smart guy I can totally see him watching this “record” run and question it immediately. :-)

[@notyoinfo1788]

You're freaking amazing dude 😁 thanks and keep it up! I'll be watching for that second run & more videos-:)

[@brianmurray2377]

Love this guy. He puts it all out there in every way possible. Sometimes hard to understand. But I can't look away. I was waiting for this video.

[@jools360]

Hi, thanks for the mention of my video! The time difference between medians was 25.2s not 22.5s, so that may explain why your first calculation was off. I used Premiere Pro to get this, the first median was passed at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="787">13:07</a> and 25 frames (note 25 frames not 0.25s). The second median was passed at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="816">13:36</a> and 10 frames, and the video was paused for 99 frames. The calculation is therefore (36.333 - 7.834 - 3.3033) = 25.2s. You have to be very careful using Premiere Pro as it shows frames and not fractions of a second.

[@leezo2123]

After your video that was enough for me. Jason is extremely intelligent but this is your domain and I thought you nailed it 👌

[@EngineeringExplained]

Sure thing! 22.5s is for the first two medians, 25.2s is for the second two medians. I think we agree on those numbers, as I also got 25.2 seconds for the second set of medians, as you did. For the first two medians, if you go to the top gear video (link - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGOVe5mEfc52Z80), at 0:50, you see the first median. At 1:13 (23 seconds later) you see the second median. When I download (I used FCPX) and do frame by frame analysis, I get 22.5s (similar to Shmee).

[@ssllhh100]

@@EngineeringExplained jason they hit the number 331 .... but in ft/s and not in mph, the fact that the car hit 331 ft/s in 6th gear at 8k RPM tells me that they messed up a long time ago, the theoratical speed matched the "fake one" even 1 mph = 1.4666 ft/s so yeah, this is the problem

[@jools360]

@@EngineeringExplained Aha, sorry, I see it now, that explains it!

[@krnt13]

@@ssllhh100 Dude, that is amazing, I was looking for something like that but never thought about feet per sec.

[@basithph8958]

We definitely need Jason Fenske to be there for the top speed run of the SSC Tuatara

[@Rythyms]

Agreed. Let's get some unbiased engineering folks onsite to ensure accuracy. The true data doesn't lie and it will set you free (or incriminate you).

[@azharcassim2795]

Yeah you can't argue with the whiteboard:)

[@simonorr594]

yup, been waiting for this video analysis!!

[@floydthedroid5935]

Thank you for taking the time to dig into the data Jason & remaining impartial whilst doing so.

[@wyattpetersen4532]

Great video man! Looking forward to your analysis of their next attempt

[@zmuse]

I mean that really tarnishes SSC, regardless of intent. Hope they can produce a new video and have 3rd party verification.

[@rsplines12]

Even if they can produce a top speed the next time, would you want to invest in that car knowing that the people behind it are "unreliable?"

[@ifyoureplytomeyouregay4293]

Bugatti BOLIDE: wanna listen a joke? *Koenigsegg jesko*

[@communistsimp98]

They are going to

[@jaky3]

Doesn't surprise me at all, given that Shelby is involved. The guy is a verified douche, from what I've read. Back when he was building custom cars for people, he scammed left and right and wrote up some garbage about them on forums.

[@ninjazzrhythm400]

They may need not just 3rd party verification, they may need guiness world of records.

[@kengrand5445]

My question is this..had the "youtube guys" nor anyone else NOT realise that the video was fake, I wonder if SSC would still come clean to the public?...I honestly don't think they would..they would just go along with everyone believing it was real & thats the real reason ppl are mad...all those lies

[@jvs9467]

Have U seen their IG account and YT page? They still have not removed the so-called record ... If you live enough long with and in a lie, you (Jarod) start believing in it.

[@spartacus8661]

@@jvs9467 I've seen that with all the habitual liars I have ever had displeasure of dealing with

[@petektm4330]

Shelby would definitely vote Trump....

[@kengrand5445]

@@jvs9467 this whole situation makes me even question their old "record" back in 2007 or whenever it was...after all, I dont think shmee & youtube was around back then

[@CRL_One]

I wouldn't go as far as to call that video "fake". They fucked up the setup and don't have any way to verify the run now, if they indeed tried to fake it I feel the whole thing would've been much more convincing, lmao.

[@sadubone]

awesome. well explained as usually. a delight to watch. now if only i understood more of it, but thank you for bringing it down to a level that is workable.

[@AlmightyFSM]

Damn. I love this dude's videos, and he's probably having more impact on YT than otherwise, but it's rare to find someone who can talk through a whiteboard full of numbers and have it so easy to understand. I wish more teachers were able to do this. It's a rare skill.

[@mrstudiodaddy]

I love the jabs at Motor Trend. I really hope they apologize to the youtube car community.

[@martinstoianov91]

Imagine if they actually did 345MPH with the 1.48 scaling = 510 SSC MPH

[@EngineeringExplained]

Haha, 500 kph, that's nothing! How about 500 MPH!?!

[@niklashultkrantz7766]

@@EngineeringExplained maybe they mixed up km/hour with miles/hour? Theoretically.

[@siraff4461]

@@niklashultkrantz7766 If you have the knowhow to make a 300mph car you do not "mix up" km/mph because even if you left it displaying the wrong metric you would notice instantly when the car you know just went sub 250 came back with a 300+ number on it.

[@niklashultkrantz7766]

@@siraff4461 I'm being satirical. That's the point of you have the knowledge. If they can't make it in 10 years. Mixing up everything. It's a joke I made to make a stronger point.

[@siraff4461]

@@niklashultkrantz7766 I get it now. It doesn't come across so well when typing.

[@oXj0s3Xo]

i would love to see you doing a breakdown on the centrifugal forces on the tires spinning at 330+ MPH

[@victor555117]

Finally! been waiting for this video, you're the best at this!

[@wolfaviator0112]

The man is back! Thank you for posting quality content!

[@18000rpm]

The fact that Jerod tried to clarify after doubts arose and claim that they used a 2.92 final gear ratio which results in 331mph (which is not true) tells us that he DELIBERATELY LIED about the run.

[@sapphireeniigma-8027]

Therefore he is Satan!

[@speedskater5919]

​@@sapphireeniigma-8027 relax man... Get on with your life...

[@MrChayl3]

@@sapphireeniigma-8027 🤣🤣

[@TheHalfGlassFullGuy]

@@speedskater5919 I think he may have been joking

[@sapphireeniigma-8027]

@@TheHalfGlassFullGuy Sike I am not The Tuatara is the amalgamation of ALL evil that resides in SSC. It’s a weapon of mass destruction, and they will commit genocide to promote their car.

[@MarkusFjord]

Big appreciattion for your effort Jason !

[@dannyrobinson3480]

Im glad you've chipped in on this topic. Great explanation so thank you. Im sorry for Jerod this issue has arisen but I'm cheering him on for the next run.

[@flemmings5534]

We will release the unedited video as soon as we are done eddating. Hold on a minute....

[@buzrash]

Thats suspicious 🤔

[@TherealDjTired]

They are desperately trying to release (a.k.a. to edit the footage to match their statement by using extended CGI but required capacity for advance computing is not available yet) the unedited footage...LOL Really?

[@flemmings5534]

@G Sav sorry english is not my first language i am still learning.

[@strudl32456]

Why don't they just post the raw footage. SUS as always...

[@TherealDjTired]

@@strudl32456 I wonder...hmmm...because it does not prove otherwise anything they said or did and posted, only one but a very simple reason...

[@ChrisBLong]

They hired a damn helicopter to record the whole thing. The helicopter footage will confirm beyond doubt what average speed the car did between the medians. They haven't released that footage, which tells us everything we need to know.

[@stubones]

In the 360 degree footage you can see the helicopter if you turn to the right. That chopper has a top speed of just over 180mph but with camera gear etc attached that speed drops to just over 150mph. The data suggested the chopper was keeping pace with the car at over 200mph. Simply not possible.

[@volvomicke999]

@@stubones And 200mph/1.36=147.05mph and after that the chopper can’t keep up

[@FiveTwoSevenTHR]

@@stubones that helicopter does about 155 in level flight. 180mph would be in a dive and that would start approaching retreating blade stall.

[@mariuszanfir2298]

@Chris Long That helicopter that you mention is just another nail in the coffin in this case 😂 It shouldn't be able to keep up!

[@Christian_Johansson]

@@FiveTwoSevenTHR in SSC´s america choppers dive horizontally! Case closed.

[@torquern.a7692]

this is why i love this channel.. easy to understand car things.. nice.. keep it up..

[@cwojcik_rc]

Perfect explanation of the controversy and data that saves me wading through other videos, blog posts, etc. Also happens to contain a great way to explain what calculus is!

[@zooski1516]

To me SSC is still arguing that the record is valid. This to me is an inexcusable lie. I now have zero sympathy for them even if they do get the record. Frauds need to get flushed. Period.

[@zooski1516]

@Amarjit Singh the record is not stained, it’s faked. Time to admit that mistakes were made and no record was broken or fire employees responsible for the forgery. Then they would deserve a second chance. At the moment they are insulting everyone’s intelligence!

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

u mad bro they broke record ?

[@jeycee8396]

They will not get the record, it's under half the claimed hp, transmission isn't geared for record speeds, frontal area (and likely coefficient of drag) made up numbers. Besides they aren't backed by Michelin. There will never ever be a "re-run", it was just the only exit available. The only thing to stop the flow of new questions adding up for each day. And seems they somewhat succeeded. No public person have in weeks done the power calculation, full power data is available in Stradman's video(if you do it you will get half the power claimed).

[@jeycee8396]

@Valkyrie 007 They where running half available boost in Nevada as well? Because numbers come out under half claimed power there as well. Nelson claimed 19 psi in that run. He also mentioned the engine as a "development engine", that's not usually what we put in a series produced car is it? There is a 8800 rpm red-line claim, but this engine have never been close to that on video, and red-line in the car is clearly at 8000 rpm! I have analysed probably 10 videos and it's rarely over 7500 and a single time time touches 7800 rpm (shift 5th to 6th in Nevada). Why am I talking about rpm? As this car has exactly the same gears and rear tire dimension as the previous record holder they need to go over 8200 rpm in 7th to even tie the existing record! you could probably imagine/calculate the rpm needed to reach 331 mph! And we haven't even started to talk about homologation, crash tests or reliability/driveability of a 30 psi (claimed maximum boost) car, said to be unstable at 233 mph..

[@water1051]

@@zooski1516 That would be really refreshing. Let’s hope so

[@n9athan]

Jason doing the lords work and explaining integrals more effectively than my high school teacher

[@dtgold57]

Thank you Jason!!!! Was waiting for your take.

[@aSinisterKiid]

Thanks for being so smart. You really broke this down in every aspect I had questions about.

[@SpeedFreak0122]

No GPS data hey... thats ..... convenient....

[@obobobobobi]

My GT mustang top max velocita superioricum to Megatron texitron super Gass GPS measurementicum 569 mph verified and licensed by the Gov of Liberia.

[@obobobobobi]

Also watch "Canibal Generals of Liberia" a VICE documentary. Guarantee to make you sick in 2.1 sec.

[@heytu1638]

@@obobobobobi no to watching documentary but as a liberian government official we verify ur mustangs run

[@WarCry389]

We were waiting for this video!! Thanks

[@swapnilsonawane7907]

Watching your channel makes me feel that my mechanical engineering studies were worth the hardships. Every concept has a use and it is demonstrated here perfectly.

[@BlahBleeBlahBlah]

Everyone knows this record attempt is illegitimate. However people with as high a profile as Jason, Shmee, etc can’t just come out and directly say that - so they provide hard data that “may” indicate x or y. I have wondered what SSC have been doing behind closed doors to get the car ready for the next run. The difference between ~240 MPH and 330 is huge. Even if it theoretically has enough power to push it to that speed, it may be very scary and sketchy for the driver.

[@mariuszanfir2298]

It will never happen with those tires. They are not planning any re-run any time soon. They just got some free publicity and hope for people to forget and sell a few of them.

[@siraff4461]

Probably sticking longer gearing in it, cranking the boost and finding a driver who doesn't mind a one way ticket.

[@Chicomacheeno]

Have a look at the power outputs of the cars that run 270+ mph mile runs in Texas. The SSC is no where close. It will need an additional 1000 hp to break 330 mph.

[@thereissomecoolstuff]

The big problem is they sold a number of the $1.9 million dollar cars. What happens to the $400k non refundable deposit..

[@minnick99]

@@thereissomecoolstuff I imagine the type of people that can make a $400k deposit have very good lawyers. If SSC can't produce their stated numbers, I think obtaining a refund shouldn't be a problem.

[@AbanRoby]

The whole world was waiting for this video... well done Jason 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@russellhays4982]

great video as usual... you do a great job explaining the math behind what you do.

[@piyush.s]

So incredibly well done, bravo Jason.

[@atarvhegde5210]

Finally EE posted a video on the SSC tuatara top speed scam(maybe).

[@BeefGold]

Yes, maybe. It's only a scam if you were going to buy the car and it not reaching over 300 MPH would've been a deal breaker. Let's just stick with misleading clout chase for now.

[@DeadBeatDeeBo]

I never did figure out when those two trains met.

[@DavidSmithVlogs]

Severly underrated comment...

[@vess6934]

@@DavidSmithVlogs indeed. It haunts me.

[@andyholmes7377]

Academic rigour Jason...vital in this case and you have it in abundance. Great job!

[@Lucky13zk]

Great video man. Thanks for laying down the facts:)

[@willyolio9590]

"oh whoops it was on the km/h setting instead of mph the whole time..."

[@xjserpent7665]

I’ve been waiting for this video ever since Shmee released a video about the controversy

[@002simba002]

Thanks Jason for doing the Math on this top speed run and explaining it so well. I hope they save all the raw data from the gps recording in the next run. Keep up the great work, your videos are so educational and fun to watch at the same time! Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪😀👍

[@ransomholbrook7428]

Another OUTSTANDING Video!

[@ssllhh100]

jason its a scam not an error, the fact that the RPM at 6th gear matches the theoratical data and not the real speed makes me think that the correction factor was there for a very long time, the gearbox is built around it, you can't have a theoratical speed that matches the fake speed unless you used the correction factor in your math, lets say you are converting from mph to ft/s which is very close to the correction factor 1.4666 so they have a problem that is way too deep in their calculations, the simple math isn't that simple after all, they hit 331 .... ft/s not mph tho

[@nuklear08]

Great observation....could this all be due to a units error (fps vs mph)?

[@ssllhh100]

@@nuklear08 yes, the guy who designed the gearbox made a big mistake, since the numbers are matching but in the wrong units

[@MrRadicalMoves]

I mean... NASA did smash a lander into Mars for just about the exact same reason... so it could definitely happen... but my question would be... what lunatic engineer would calculate anything in ft/s... as an engineer myself who does car mathematics almost exclusively... that would seem almost like a joke.

[@ssllhh100]

@@MrRadicalMoves tyre radius in feet maybe ? and then he didn't convert it to mph

[@nuklear08]

@@MrRadicalMoves I'm wondering more if the internal software of the GPS system used fps, and maybe that got incorrectly interpreted as mph somewhere in the chain to the actual speed display.

[@alimahdavi2276]

Jason reveals his ultimate detective skills here! Great job!

[@damenh85]

Great video, thanks for the effort!

[@juancruzmagliotti7092]

Awesome video , awesome data analysis. You won my follow from ARG .

[@drymodrymo4192]

I watched few similar analyses (we all know which) but non of these were even close entertaining and funny as this one. Jayson, you are king!

[@thecrazyfarmboy]

"presumably the virus, but it would be funny if it was the beer," 😂😂😂 You're right that would be funny

[@LeRouxEnslin]

I laughed way too hard for that.

[@youssefkhaled9666]

Love your work, Jase!

[@R1CH130]

Awesome stuff. I always love your vids. Like being back at Uni 😁

[@ericwg73]

Excellent video! Great breakdown of all the available data. Like many others, I am starting to wonder if ANY numbers coming directly from SSC can be trusted. Their credibility isn’t what you would call strong right now. A couple of people have posed the question, were it not for clever, intelligent, and observant KZbinrs like Shmee, Robert, Misha, etc., would this record ever have been called into question. I can’t say with complete certainty one way or the other, but I think it’s entirely possible this could have slipped through with none being the wiser. If the REPORTED top speed had actually been closer to 300mph, I think it might have had an even better chance of sneaking through. It was the absolutely insane jump from the existing record which really drew everyone’s attention, including mine. Rightfully so, that incredible bump also drew extra scrutiny. I really hate to close on such a pessimistic note, but this whole thing makes me wonder, prior to the careful attention of our trusted KZbinrs, how many other companies have have fudged data and passed off failed attempts as legitimate achievements?

[@bloodethirteen]

Nobody else, ever, could have explained it better like Jayson did.

[@blarkdexture8899]

Like i said

[@igpbayuarriputra2081]

Not even shmee, i only understand the average speed and the road lines part

[@bloodethirteen]

@@igpbayuarriputra2081 still credit to shmee for bringing this up also with the help from misha and robert. But nothing comes close to Jayson's math.

[@burneracc2567]

Yayson

[@aXBlackDeathXa]

Thank you for your take on this situation! I know a lot of us gear heads were psyched then disheartened and not sure what to believe. It's nice to see the hard science.

[@bajakitesurfer9542]

Thanks Jason , love the detailed explanation😋

[@sarthakpatange2630]

He's getting on in with the action I see! I just love this type of content on this channel! One good thing, this thing has got the community together, Engeneering Explained now knows Shmee a little more, Salomondrin got his bite, Misha and Robert got recognition! This channel got a nuke bomb to blow out!

[@DWillis7]

223 mph according to racelogic who analysed it.

[@kylev.1163]

Thats roughley 50 mph over what my Kia Stinger can do. If thats actually true, thats pathetic on SSC

[@martinqizeaq]

Yes, he stated in the vid.

[@martinqizeaq]

@@kylev.1163 well, he also calculate that SSC can do over 340. That's more than what Buggati can achieve. The problem is the driver doesn't drive fast enough to the limit.

[@kylev.1163]

@@martinqizeaq Why? If they know and believe its achievable, why the hell didn't they? Why not find a driver who will?

[@gearloose703]

​@@kylev.1163 Because the engine will blow up and bodywork fall apart and there will be a massive crash. This tells the ssc has never actually run or even tested the car at the claimed speeds and one thing I have learned is you never bring press of any spectators if you intend to break the car (in), because you will have issues, lots of issues. Also jason simplified the calculation a lot, it would not actually reach the 330+ with math, even assuming the provided data is right.

[@kevinsweetwater7293]

Awesome video! Thanks

[@DaftFader]

We've been waiting for this video! :D

[@valentin7436]

So, they actually wanted to lie to everyone. They ran the whole stuff with the high downforce setup and just increased the GPS data to try to match the Vmax gear ratio.

[@jonbartosch1903]

This increasingly looks like the case. For whatever reason the vmax trans or car was not ready so they fudged the numbers to what the car could theoretically do to meet some deadline. Its sad because everything points to this car being the real deal, but now there will always be this controversy. I guess it's also possible they can't get the HP they have advertised.

[@steehler9184]

That is exactly what I was thinking. They just didn't use the Vmax gear ratio package (because it probably doesn't exist) and ran the high downforce setup and used a correction factor of their theoretical Vmax gear package.

[@daquarius1222]

i would rather work at McDonald right now, than be working for that shady boss, who stakes his company and workers based of lieing to the public about a "WORLD RECORD" :o damn ... Poor Mechanics i feel ya pain!. ( unless they were in on it as well? o.O)

[@marfrandema1884]

If they run the high downforce package they are in trouble. That car looked very unstable at top speed. Wish for the next driver thats not the case

[@josephcitizen4195]

This is the most likely explanation I've heard so far.

[@Epnx358]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="484">8:04</a>: The fundementals of intergration :D

[@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294]

I was hoping he would follow by estimating an upper bound for the distance using circumscribed rectangles. He didn't have to, though, since he had the frame-by-frame distance estimate.

[@segmentkings]

This is lovely! :D Great stuff!!

[@3ArtDigital]

22 min video. perfect for rolling and smoking a joint, thanks Jayson.

[@TheCosmicPope91]

You are the type of person I need to be friends with. Rolling and smoking a j to automotive engineering lol

[@michelcote]

If an engineer need a correction factor of x 1.46, there is something quite big he missed.

[@MrBricey25]

Was wondering if you were gonna cover this love the channel

[@TritonTv69420]

that was a very good explanation. interesting stuff

[@drdoomgoat38]

Not watched yet but I am sure its going to be an absolutely thorough analysis.

[@Gemini_0815]

Jason, another way to calculate: what driving force (thrust) at the wheels does it need to generate for 330 mph? and how much downforce would it require at the rear of the vehicle for the tires to be able to transmit that force without spinning out? Pretty sure you’ll end up seeing that there is no way for the rear tires to provide enough grip with the given aerodynamics. Also, the theoretical top speed based on gearing leaves no room for wheel slip. And every automotive engineer knows: a tire can only put torque to the road when slipping slightly, because a tire has flexibility and hysteresis.

[@TaiChiWithRon]

Nicely explained, thanks.

[@rohanlowe]

lovely work!

[@rickybobby8224]

Perhaps they pulled a Silicon Valley move, fudging numbers to pull in some capital while they perfect it?