Mercedes Incredible Suspension - Active Body Control

[@edwardg4920]

Im a Mercedes Benz mechanic and I love how they keep the comfort using all the technology the car has it self, not a Fan of a brand in special, each brand have their own adventage and comfort on Mercedes its the best as I can say while working with multi brand cars.

[@LawrenceMarkFearon]

After 15 years ABC is finally perfected and then some. Honestly at about 2009 the SL's ABC became very reliable if maintained properly with CLEAN fluid 100% of the time. Now, I wouldn't drive any other car without it- ABC is just that effective at no compromise handling competence.

[@0ExG0]

This is also a performance upgrade: you can have softer sprints and control load distribution on the wheels, you dont need much camber and you dont even need a sway bar. Really hope to see a system like this in the after market.

[@Unb3arablePain]

Anyone remember that forgotten Bose suspension where the test Lexus just completely glided over bumps without the body moving? How much you want to bet this the exact same tech?

[@maxe7286]

It's a similar technology in that they are both active instead of passive. If I remember correctly, the Bose suspension system was electro-magnetic while this system uses oil.

[@promethbastard]

Spot on with the memory there Max, it was basically a speaker without a cone at each corner.

[@tomassosaoconnor]

I think that Bose electromagnetic suspension is better, after I saw how it performs on their videos... you can also have fun with it, since the electromagnetic mechanism is faster than the oil mechanism (I guess), which ables you to jump (as in the video). Do someone else think that Bose suspension is better?

[@robertusga]

Yeah all of those owe credit to the original Citroën oleopneumatic suspension innovations starting in 1955.

[@fsb1284]

Great to see coverage of my favorite feature on my W220 S500. I am amused by commenters' apples to oranges comparisons of this hydropneumatic setup to GM magride. Watch the first part of this video. Magride simply adjusts the damping rate of an otherwise typical suspension so quickly that one does not notice. Magride cannot, however, increase/decrease the length of the system as this does. It is also not predictive, and the spring rates are typically stiffer than the Mercedes springs' in this application, making their ride slightly harsher than Mercedes'. The only advantage magride has is that it is admittedly a simpler system to maintain past 80-100k miles, but to people who buy six figure cars, this is not a priority as it is with the middle-class 2nd or 3rd owner of these cars.

[@CluelessDriversInSoCal]

I can appreciate the benefits of such a system, riding around campus in a stiff shuttle bus. I'm not surprised at the expense of the system, considering this is a high-end Mercedes. I prefer some road feedback myself so that I can feel the quality of the roads drive safely.

[@kcwalkman]

Flawless presentation as usual Jason, thank you.

[@jjgravante]

These videos where you break down the tech of car systems are great!

[@1theheightofparadise]

i wonder how fast this system can keep up. will it work as good going 60 as say 20? is there a limit at which this system can perform correctly?

[@EngineeringNibbles]

+Jervon Carr I don't think he's 90 yet

[@EngineeringNibbles]

***** It was a joke.

[@patw52pb1]

+Jonathan Lavigne Mercedes-Benz officially states Active Body Control (ABC) is usable from ~13-99 MPH (20-160 km/h), but independent testing has shown the system operates below 13 MPH and over 145 MPH (233 km/h), Mercedes-Benz indicates the Magic Body Control (MBC) system works at speeds up to ~81 MPH (130 km/h). The 5-8 Hz is referring to the frequency of movement of the body that the ABC system is attempting to reduce, not the processing frequency/speed, evaluation/sample rate or the response time. There is another frequency that the ABC system monitors to help mitigate wheel oscillations and dampen ride harshness and that is a wheel movement frequency of 15-20 Hz and again is not referring to processing frequency/speed, evaluation/sample frequency or response time. Service info for some 2015 models indicates the ABC system utilizes multiple 12 MHz processors and samples 13 sensors at 2.6 MHz or each sensor channel is sampled 200,000 per second and has a response time of approximately 1 millisecond. I was unable to locate details on the MBC system processor and sample rates.

[@1theheightofparadise]

thats really awesome thanks

[@EricJ411]

you are confusing it with Magnetic Ride Control, that system is 1000 times per second the merc system is not that fast. m60kaf is right - 1/3 to 1/5th of a second

[@SuperValera100]

#engineeringexplained can you please make a video on rolls royce suspension.

[@0hn0haha]

Oh, it will help you corner faster: it makes the bucket of the seat more effective, keeping you in the seat, and giving more confidence in the steering.

[@3UZFE]

My 1991 Toyota Soarer uzz32 has the same sort of system, no coils just hydraulic active struts, certainly increases cornering and braking performance :)

[@youngkim5909]

We put bumps to slow cars down. Then we invent a whole hydraulic system integrated with optical detection to get around said bump.... humanity plz. what are you doing? :p

[@franciscobarraza8095]

it helps you to not feel the bump at low , 20 40 km/h but if you do 80 -100 on a bump, that's gonna rekt any suspension not meant to handle so much strain

[@diazzsama]

why the hell you put bump on an 80++ road? The engineers who design the road need head slap then.

[@franciscobarraza8095]

diazzsama because people always obeys the speed limit dumbass you deserve that slap, there's a reason speed bumps exist, as to slow down vehicles in a road where you should not be going fast,

[@franciscobarraza8095]

+diazzsama trust you when you cant comprehend a statement, where did i say a bump is on a highways(but i think you are american and think im using MPH where 80MPH is like 160-170 KPH), bumps are on normal streets that normal speed on the varies from 45 to 50 kph, but people like to drive fast aka 60/80 in small residential streets (i have been one of them) the point of a bump its to slow down those 60/80 to at least some 40 to 50 or pay more attention on that zone where the bump is for kids or people crossing making it easier.

[@diazzsama]

Francisco Barraza nah, I'm not in america, and I'm using km/h from the first place. I'm not talking about any highway, for toll gate thingy I just give an example that bumps (really small) usually occur. In residential area, it is exactly what you said. It's not 80km/h road, here in my place it's probably tops at 30-40km/h. Residential needs accessibility. They put speed limit sign and they put bumps to emphasize it's slow speed road. Because it's relatively quiet road and the pavement nice doesn't mean you can speeding as you want.

[@nltr31]

These vids of yours are just plainly awesome and full of engineering informations sometimes with basic physics and math equations. Pure and simplified! Loving it!

[@jamesdawson5509]

It sounds similar to the Citroen DS, although with significantly more advanced technology. It would be interesting to see a comparison between the two suspensions.

[@dongidongi]

Wait till the Mercedes dealer charges you a mega bomb $$ amount for suspension service! :)

[@EngineeringNibbles]

Well you are spending 160k$ on the car, expect a few k for maintenance

[@SevCars]

Yeah like their famous AIRMATIC suspension that inevitably blows up on you way too often

[@dongidongi]

BitsAndBites of course. just saying that it is super ultra complex mechanism which can be a catastrophic failure

[@pedrofernandez3893]

People who lease and dump after 3 yrs don't give a crap. the suckers who buy them used, thinking that they're getting the buy of the century, will pay the price unless they spend extra and buy a warranty or buy a CPO.

[@99Lezard99]

like air suspension is usualy. air suspension isnt very popular in the used market. Especially on a european car...

[@lahsiv]

I usually "misread" the speedometer as well... Lmao

[@bigdeal4147]

anything less than 85mph on the freeway is too slow. that's why i drive it at 101mph!

[@diesistkeinname795]

Will Lowe 101mph isn't fast either.

[@OssamabinKenny]

The whistling sound is the turbos.

[@alimirza7907]

I really loved those Simulation Games such as Gran Turismo 5 or GT6 , I always take those cars which have ABC suspension, I take them a lap ride in the legendary Nurburgring Nordschleife and watch the Mercedes tyres in action. They were the most beautiful thing to watch! The suspension were so dramatic that they soak up the bumps of the Green Hell! Apart from this advanced suspension, MERCEDES-BENZ has lot of character on road. The Best Or Nothing!

[@felixarbable]

Would be great hear about more motorcycle stuff

[@marekreclo3185]

I've already seen the suspension with similar principle ... uhm yeah the BOSE active suspension from 80's ... welcome back in the future

[@souheib9343]

I can't believe that it's finally happened. I've been thinking of it since 2008 and wondered why it never has been used. I was surprised when announced Porsche Active chassis control or whatever they're calling their antiroll system.

[@jeremyyeo6591]

Cant wait to see this channel to hit 1 million subscribers!

[@AZshootist]

Good explanation. Now I see how it controls motion in both directions (relative to normal ride height) with just one hydraulic pressure port. My 2003 SL55 works well.

[@nestarajsa7551]

I'm still waiting for video explaining the Citroen's hydropneumatic suspension.. maybe compared to air suspension.

[@glasser2819]

I think Citroen SPHEARS/ACUMULATORS are pretty much the same... ride height adjustment. Love 'em for A1 comfort ride! MBenz "Airmatic" suspensions are ok but built way TOO UNRELIABLE.

[@turtlesquasher]

Bleeping out your actual speed ;) smart move speed racer hahaha

[@OliverUnderTheMoon]

My heart goes out to all the engineers and technicians who have to work on these increasingly complex Merc systems. That said, it is super cool and maybe can be hacked for a BIG PIMPIN' BOUNCE BOUNCE mode.

[@doughboy0506]

lmaoo "wow we're doing ___. I mean 10. sorry I miss read the speedometer there." haha you def were doing 100 or 110

[@fsb1284]

Another point to those criticisms aimed at the durability of this system: the newest installations feature upgraded seals, a better pump, and other improvements. The same goes for newer Airmatic systems. It is not as if Benz just released these groundbreaking systems then ignored them for 15yrs. Engineers have indeed addressed the weak spots.

[@danielvanniekerk7084]

I'm of the opinion that said "Magic Body Control" is mainly there to sense "false positives" such as crests, dips and banks where you want the ride height to stay constant while the hydrolic suspension unit compensates for bumps and potholes on the fly. To sense speedbumps and holes with the "camera" is probably possible, but having it sense the topography of the road forward will to my mind require much less processing power that can be used elsewhere within the car.

[@Robert-nz2qw]

Oh. Like the Citroen pneumoneumatic system they first developed in the 50's

[@Robert-nz2qw]

Hydropneumatic - my bad

[@maxl96systems]

That's a completeley different thing tho...

[@andrepost7571]

I had the same thought. Like the activa system. Citroën used nitrogen gas as a spring though.

[@MichelPASTOR]

Hydractive if I'm correct, not activa. But maybe they gave it another name in other countries.

[@andrepost7571]

Michel PASTOR It was called Activa in the Xantia.

[@TimJoseph08031990]

The big question is will this suspension last for many years with a lot of parts? I know Mercedes-Benz air suspensions tend to fail in 3-4 years, and it's easy to tell if the vehicle is sagging down in the front, the back, or both.

[@donreflexink100]

+1

[@gcukcressey5737]

Tim Joseph i agree completely pal especially german cars lately havent had the best reliability too much electronics and technology bring back classic american cars apart fom rust 70 years later they still are easy to work on abd reliable

[@AMGmeister]

My Benz air suspension is 13 years old, still works fine. What model are you looking at?

[@TimJoseph08031990]

AMGmeister I don't own any Mercedes-Benz vehicle, but I have seen the 1st gen GL SUV that was sagging. I also read comments in other videos commenting that the E-Class and S-Class vehicles above the 2003 model year have air suspension problems.

[@MrTiti]

Tim, looking at the rate of flaming here it is jsut hatred stuff. it is a common phenomenom especially in the US when they are technologically inferior.

[@mattgetz3347]

Getting close to 1 Million subs, keep up the good work!

[@rcosta-1989]

nice explanation, could you next time talk about Citroën hydractive suspension? That is one of the best in 90s

[@rafaellibertini9240]

you should ad more in car footage! maybe explain while driving! much more fun!

[@NorthernChev]

Mercedes "Active Body Control" > $1800 per corner for "strut" replacement...

[@javierdejesusorpi8543]

NorthernChev That's what I paid TO THE CENT for my right front strut of my E55. 6 months later the Rt Rear went and... $2060.

[@slimflex1]

NorthernChev wow really?? That much pricey

[@javierdejesusorpi8543]

emdec55 That's what I was about to post. Residual value is zilch. A 2003 AMG CL55 is about $5-6000...from over $100k new

[@NorthernChev]

***** Meh.... I gotta take issue with your assertion about BMW... yeah, used BMWs aren't all that expensive to repair. Very expensive to buy new, but very inexpensive to buy used AND relatively inexpensive to repair. I used to think the same as you until I owned many used BMWs... not as expensive to fix as you think. So BMW doesn't belong in your category.

[@dannyguo5630]

Used BMW's are alright but it all depends on each and every car. if the previous owner deal with their car properly, no big issues if it is relatively new, even used Mercs.

[@bpastorb]

Any plans for a 'W8 Engine - explained' video? I love that series of videos, I would really enjoy if you incorporated reasons it didn't last and the pros and cons of that engine style.

[@mikebailey3614]

this is a rebranding of a technology originally developed by Amar Bose (of speaker fame). the active suspension was demonstrated in 2004 on a lexus model. I am excited to see that a car company is finally picking up where Bose left off although this does seem less capable then what was being demonstrated by Bose.

[@halorox256]

I'm so glad it's a hydraulic system and not a pneumatic one like airmatic. If you've owned a Mercedes with airmatic, you've had to replace an airbag or two

[@ecsolha]

If you want to do a video on extreme passenger comfort tech, do it on the hydropneumatic suspension invented by Citroën. According to wikipedia even the british Challenger II battle tank use hydropneumatic suspension for better view comfort.

[@greentjmtl]

Fancy expensive technology, lemme introduce you to road salt corrosion.

[@alexmoto9628]

no salt gets added to NZ's winter roads, even alpine passes

[@puryakiani1145]

This system is great, but it goes wrong very frequently. I've had two R230 SL500s and both of them suffered from leaks in the hydraulic ABC pump. The W220 S500 and C220 CL500 I had also had the same issue. Be sure to have a mechanic check those pumps if you ever think of buying a used Mercedes equipped with ABC

[@russianpegs]

finally, a solution to all the speed bumps being built

[@ytxstream]

russianpegs afaik they had to add image recognition for speedbumps (to disable or weaken the system) during development because otherwise they wouldn't have got the system certified (at least in Germany)

[@jessefoulk]

Speedbumps and potholes disappear magically in winter on snow covered roads.

[@cg9608]

Should I push my clutch all the way in despite the catch being at the top? How fast should I press and release it (not in 1st)? Just a few questions I don't think I've heard you answer/ possible ideas. Thanks!

[@458nards31]

any reason to buy this over an s class cabrio or even an amg gt roadster? mercedes benz is pulling the wrong move

[@richard-mai]

Is this system similar to Citroen Xantias suspension which ranks fastest in the moose test?

[@Banzaj33]

Great video as usual sir! Would be cool if you could have access to the MB or AMG Factories and do a series about one particular car from start to finish with all the engineering marvels that goes into it

[@u9Nails]

That sound! It was a bit strange even through the video. A nice exhaust note and some sort of mechanical locus noise.

[@TheGh02t]

Audi had a system like this in their 2014 RS6 called the magnetic ride. Instead of making the body lean into a corner, they would stiffen the outer wheel. This (according to Audi) would reduce under steer.

[@EricJ411]

Yes, exact same system sold to GM, Ferrari and the Ford GT350R Mustang by the people who now own and sell it, BWI.

[@zoppp621]

You should make a video on BMW's active steering and dynamic drive system that use active anti roll bars to keep the car flat through corners.

[@hayksamvelyan]

Jason, what dry-erase markers do you prefer? I figured with your expertise, you must have some advice on getting good markers.

[@EngineeringExplained]

mrjost55 I've only ever used two brands and both have been okay. All the color ones are expo but honestly the color quality varies quite a bit from marker to marker haha.

[@radamesd81]

Similar to Citroen active suspension... Mercedes just added springs and a shock absober. Until the first C5s the ride high compensation was completely mechanical. If the car tilted a little when cornering a solenoid connected to the stabilizers released part of the pressure stored in the system and adjusted the roll angle. It was simple and beautifull. A minor drawback is the fact that you lose most of the feedback from the track. It's a shame citroen forgot how to make good cars, but their suspension was brilliant! (so good that Bentley had it in some models.)

[@BornAgainCynic0086]

I had active suspension on my 1991 Toyota V8 Soarer, with 4ws as well, it was amazing to drive. 100% no body roll into corners and no dip under brakes. Passengers did get a bit car sick though.

[@blyndrotor]

Jeff H Thats a rare car you had there. Most have never heard of the active.

[@BornAgainCynic0086]

Yeah, I think only 500 were made, its known as a UZZ32 if you want to look it up. If F1 had not dropped active suspension many more road cars would have it by now.

[@blyndrotor]

Jeff H Well aware of it. Read a full write up on one many years ago in one of my many many MANY import mags. Come to think of it. There was an article on an rx7 in that edition. Now I'm the proud owner of one.

[@BornAgainCynic0086]

blyndrotor nice one indeed, my proudest was an S2000 in 1999, fresh off the boat, sigh.

[@blyndrotor]

Jeff H Unfortunately my fc has been sitting locked away in the shed for the last 5-6 yrs. Needs new suspension and bushes and a bit of a interior touch up. Engine on the other hand is already built and only has 3000 odd kms on it. But kids and mortgage etc come first.

[@papayaman123]

Who remembers the air suspension they used in Mercs a few years back? If you do then don't expect to keep your new one for a long time unless you like throwing money away.

[@Storebrand_]

Cool, it's like a camera gimbal for a car.

[@iiXboxLiive]

My body is ready.

[@CORZER0]

You've been bitten by the AMG bug! Good luck on your quest for your own!

[@drivingwithtaz5248]

Brother wow you are such an amazing man I always wondered how they did it !!! And you nailed it!! Thanks man!

[@stevenholt5484]

You can't beat the Germans for engineering and technology, you just can't. The finest in the world.

[@SIMKINETICS]

Leaning into a corner should help cornering by moving the car's CG toward a point where normal forces (perpendicular to the pavement) of tires becomes better distributed than if leaning outward. Additionally, steering geometry can take advantage of leaning-in just as a bicycle or motorcycle does. Shifting this mass will cause a deleterious effect from lateral reaction against the pavement unless it's done slightly ahead of the curve or turn. I'm surprised that more research into this suspension science hasn't been thoroughly explored by now.

[@faybiebungin6169]

Hi jason , can we speed up on a bump with this technology ? just wondering

[@Deathnote0-_-0]

wow, it was about 8years ago when a company (can't remember the name) created a suspension setup that utilizes electromagnetism to soften and stiffen the vehicle's ride quality. the setup was way too expensive for even a Mercedes, but I'm glad the idea never got scrapped. Too bad Nissan didn't do it first with the 95 Nissan pathfinder SE.

[@dvrz]

Citroen's Hydractive system did this ages ago.

[@name-jn3ri]

How do you think the Mercedes suspension compares to the magnetic suspension Cadillac uses?

[@siegfriedbarfuss9379]

the price is super cheap and a miracle if you consider how many were produced and how complex development is. compare with car for 20k USD made in millions and main stream technology it is quite a miracle ..

[@SteveReed33]

Is this hydraulic system tuned in conjunction with the springs and dampers? The motion of the active ride height could make for some strange motion sickness if it wasn't nicely balanced with the passive suspension components!

[@truus4630]

sure it wouldn't be worth the$ but is there an aftermarket company that produces this setup or is Benz the first? which would u rather have for performance??? magnetic ride controll(caddi-ferrari) or this sus. set-up

[@shyamray1988]

Hello sir.. could you please suggest a car with best comfortable tuned suspension within 40-45k also is double wishbone better than McPherson strut in front wheel for better comfort?

[@ayushgupta5061]

i think merc also uses magnetic suspension for quick respond to level out the vehicle as part of its active body control system

[@puneethramajigalu5357]

would u recommend some mechanical projects for final year guys please...

[@overman19870]

What is tne difference between this and porsche's pdcc? it has also actuators that change the ride height using the anti roll bars rather than the strutt. can you please make a video explaining how that works? Thank you.

[@emilyrdbnfrancisco8733]

good day! Is collapsing rear suspension probably cause by a bad coil spring? thanks

[@luisthebubble2478]

Show the power to weight ratio in more relatable terms. Like 1hp weighing 1lbs. How fast that would accelerate vs a 500hp weighing 5000lbs. Assuming same friction and same engine or something

[@RzVids]

LuisTheBubble A car that is 2,000 pounds and does 200 hp will be just as fast as a 500 hp car weighing 5,000 pounds.

[@the_original_Bilb_Ono]

+RzVids false

[@UCGhy34YYL0R3LirWIvhvxng]

In acceleration, yes (assuming they don't break traction). But when it comes to braking or turning, a lighter car is always going to have an advantage. Unless the heavier car has adequately fat tyres, but that's just cheating.

[@NANA-ke6qi]

RzVids i dont think its that simple. Those two arent linear in relation

[@RzVids]

NA NA If every other variable is the exactly the same, theoretically it's that simple

[@fernandofragoso4118]

New NSX also has a different type of suspension. The Magnetic One!

[@Yathuprem]

Congratz you're close to 1million subs !! Anyway good video. When the review will be out for sl63?

[@mintslice2214]

that bit about going over a bump that's higher than the car itself LMAO

[@joedockstader1347]

it'll be interesting to see if suspension slowly shifts to fully active systems with no passive components (i.e, just the hydraulics or even electromagnetic actuators with no springs at all), the same way camera gimbals and stabilizers have gone from passive (glidecams, most steadycams, etc) to fully active electronic stabilization as the evolution of smartphone accelerometers allowed electronic control systems to react quickly enough to out-perform passive systems. Maybe in another decade or two, coil springs will be the new leaf springs, and all new cars will ship with active, electronically controlled suspension alone.

[@halationmedia]

How can you feel the traction control??

[@fomerbu]

can you do one about the magnetic suspension?

[@darkalman]

Here's one for you: What is the advantage of ground effect in an F1 car compared to a modern diffuser? Would a ground effect dependent car be effected more by following in dirty air? or less? or about the same?

[@davidsager3343]

have you done a video on ladder bars and other drag racing suspension systems?

[@usdd3052]

What's the difference between this suspension setup and a hydralastic suspension setup?

[@hazard7732]

I knew this would happen some day :)

[@RileyRedmon]

Why does the suspension still have the strut and not just the hydraulics? Is it for added travel?

[@RedNineAu]

Pretty similar system to the 1991 Toyota Soarer UZZ32, with active suspension (not the airbag model)

[@elvenwizard12]

Wasn't the early Infiniti Q45a active suspension kinda like this ?

[@warturtlesoldier]

last part was the best lol

[@kevin9c1]

Are we sure that Magic Body Control is just Active Body Control with cameras? That's what I thought initially but now I think MBC is a complete redesign of the strut and it's self-contained, like the X167 GLS which has those neat off road tricks. Does MBC still use the hydraulic pump and hydraulic oil distribution system like ABC?

[@Tariiq]

Hello my friend. How I know if my car have magic body control? As I know if there is button for hydraulic can control comfort and sport, that means the car have it. Am I right?

[@kilésengati]

I love this channel and I hate university.

[@abdallaalali015]

My Question is. does this help with wear and tear?

[@Rickyboy707]

I think "leaning" through corners is not only comfortable, it may wind up being safer. The high speed trains lean through corners for safety and speed. Jason, have they published figures as to how quickly the suspension reacts?

[@holzvvrm7718]

It would be faster through corners if the road bended. Then centripedal force would push you to the road, giving you more downforce.

[@Rickyboy707]

I said MAY be safer. Most roads (as well as railroads) are NOT banked (I think that's what you mean). Therefore, allowing the car to lean MAY provide a level of safety that the road doesn't offer. Also, centrifugal force (I think that's what you mean) would push a car AWAY from the center of the turn, not "to the road", as you state.

[@EngineeringExplained]

They claim the suspension can adjust every 1/100th of a second.

[@TheJimmyboy8]

If you put your car in park and don't put the handbrake up will that put more Ware on your transmission ?

[@jimster1111]

could i install this in my 1998 lincoln town car? and what is the price compared to air suspension.

[@AartardVII]

Hmm. Looks like your diagram is a bit off to me... both springs / dampers should be connected at the same bottom level - the spring will just be in compression when the system adds oil.

[@mr.v5918]

Technically you want weight to transfer to outside as you turn better when weight is focus on the outside of car specifically the front outside

[@pepedecoatza]

Is not unsafe to eliminate the diving feeling of breaking?

[@lajelone3497]

amazing car and explaining as well

[@EricJ411]

The first 3:20 of this video has a fundamental error. It is a "body" control system, not a wheel control system. It cannot react fast enough to compensate for a bump, even with the cameras. It does compensate for body roll, braking dive and slower body motions. Regular shocks and struts take care of the higher frequency wheel motions. And the Japanese got there first with the Nissan Infinity Q45A FAS system in 1991 and the Toyota Celica ST183 in 1989 and the Toyota Soarer in 1991.

[@TheMostVanillaGorilla]

Little pricey at 165k but you sure looked like you enjoyed it haha. Thanks for the video! I was wondering how this worked.

[@spencertwaddle6871]

Can't turbos add a higher pitched whirring sound to the engine? I'd expect it to be even more pronounced with 2 of them. Could that be the whistling you mentioned?