England DESTROYED by India in Guyana and CRASH OUT of the T20 World Cup | Wisden Cricket Podcast

0:00 Intro
1:10 Mark Butcher on ENGvIND
18:56 England
30:19 India
36:09 What next for England?
51:04 Key, Mott & Buttler
54:34 Outro
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Yas Rana, Phil Walker and Ben Gardner come together for an emergency podcast to discuss England's crushing defeat against India last night.
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[@SyedSaifAbbasNaqvi]

India ouplayed both Australia and England in totally different surfaces after losing the toss. I will give some credit to them. They have a fairly good chance of finishing first.

[@Removehandle]

Had Bumrah bowled 16th over instead of Pandya England would have bundled out under 100😂😂😂😂

[@sihi5634]

If India had the same population as England they would be dreadful 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 my point is it didn’t happen dummy

[@mrgyani]

They wanted to give Jadeja (and Pandya) some more practice before the final.

[@rishabdhar6900]

It was for advertisers obviously.

[@SHIVENDUVIMAL]

Cry more mark butcher, Eng is the venue for the WTC final for 3 years in a row. England know the venue and conditions but to take advantage of that situation you need to reach the finals too. So instead of blaming ICC, focus on your team

[@HOG1070]

This has not happened for the first time, knowing the venue. And I find it strange how can someone complain about it? I mean the Indian team played really well to reach Guyana.

[@ce11amitkumaryadav83]

​@@HOG1070pakistan knew their venue of SF in 2023 world cup. They didn't reached When world cup is hosted by 2-3 countries, the home team know their SF venue too

[@karthik_udaya]

My thoughts and condolences with *wisden* media at this darkest moment 😂

[@Wishva737]

Yas Rana in particular 😅 crying about Indias seeding.

[@wasimohammad4677]

Butcher crying Inside 😂😂

[@prathamesh5094]

Mark Butcher praising India 😂

[@VARMOT123]

england has been poor in white ball cricket for ages since 2019 that win the knockout toss,win the world cup in 2022 flattered them . the middle order is average and their bowling is average with too many holes in them

[@SHIVENDUVIMAL]

England were very lucky to win the 2019 WC also. They lost to Pak, Aus and SL in the league matches and we all know what happened in the finals

[@VARMOT123]

​@@SHIVENDUVIMAL they were lucky in the finals but they were a very good team then

[@SHIVENDUVIMAL]

@@VARMOT123 they played an aggressive brand of Cricket but trust me Jofra Archer in that tournament made all the difference

[@sanatdas7257]

Englishmen were overweight.....now to be lightweight

[@VARMOT123]

mark butcher sounds as deluded as like the pakistani pundits who always fall back on "there is no lack of talent " .england have very good top order t20 batters . in the rest of the areas ,there are massive massive holes compared to other teams

[@ce11amitkumaryadav83]

JB , MOENN , LIVI - TOOK 3 OUT OF FORM PLAYERS , DEATH BOWLING IS DEATH 50/50 POWERPLAY

[@bestest1234567]

Where are these players?

[@roobanloganathan6498]

ECB should talk to Jonathan Trout and persuade him to take over as the coach of the ODI n T20 team till 2028. He has done remarkably well with limited resources with Afghanistan thus imagine what he can achieve with the England team. He should be given full rein over the teams so he can build them according to his needs.

[@neobeinghuman]

@HDas-ny6zm Or rather what Babar & Co's PR/Business driven team did to Gary's reputation .. He did not know he signed a "Scapegoat" warrant for himself..

[@nikitamohan3390]

@HDas-ny6zm That's not Gary Kirsten's fault. He's not fully or even really responsible for Pakistani players' mediocrity, arrogance/overconfidence and their petty issues and fights with each other that they couldn't play for their own country as a single unit above everything else!

[@nikitamohan3390]

@HDas-ny6zm And this time many Pakistani former cricketers and Pakistani journalists flat out said something like "these arrogant pricks think if they play poorly and humiliate the nation publicly, nothing will happen to them ever, and only the coaches and selectors will get fired"! They said "this time, keep your selectors and coaches and change your entire team and have the guts to tell babar, Rizwan and few others to sit at home jobless!" Most of the backlash for Pakistan's failure and humiliation has been on the Pakistani players especially batters and babar, not Gary and rightfully so!

[@rramach9091]

@@roobanloganathan6498 Jonathan Trott (or for that matter any coach) has a very marginal effect if any. If you notice, every team manager’s success or failure is always explainable with benefit of hindsight bias. It’s the set of players and their collective skills peaking at the right time to produce the desired result. The best a coach can do is to not come in the way of the players or team.

[@roobanloganathan6498]

Was surprised to hear Mark Butcher praising the indian team as he is among a few English ex players who are known for their strong ant India views on many occasions.

[@hamzaahmad9527]

Why are you surprised, everything he says is true. They are a praiseworthy cricket team managed by a corrupt BCCI. India shouldn't have had their semi final location confirmed beforehand. Schedules shouldn't be bent to their benefit and they shouldn't demand so much of the ICCs funds. All facts, they aren't struggling

[@jaibholenath6900]

​@@hamzaahmad9527 .......Demand so much ICC funds! Welll we contribute to far more of them

[@parveendalal925]

@@hamzaahmad9527 indian cricket gave money to ICC, check your facts , 80% revenue generated by India alone and than ICC took that money and gave a little chunk to countries like Pakistan so that they can give salaries to their staff and runs their cricket board.

[@Removehandle]

​@@hamzaahmad9527cry more madarsa poor kid 😂😂😂😂

[@hamzaahmad9527]

@@Removehandle at least I have integrity and respect for a WORLD cup and not the INDIA cup. You can watch the boring old INDIA cup if you want where they play against themselves

[@priyanshuhazra8644]

Look at the pain in the voices of all these guys, they sound like they're in so much pain cause India qualified for Final...Time for the western colonialism is over, bow down to the new superpower which is gaining traction across all fields in the world.

[@sabertrat]

chill with the jingoism man.. no one's bowing down or anything. But yes, I want this Indian team to dominate every tournament and test series going forward.

[@banklootful]

Are you crazy. As an Indian, I want you to be real. BCCI makes so much money from people. Can't they build enough sports facilities like in England or Australia with toilets

[@Rahul-pw2vn]

Few reasons for winning till now: *Good captainship *Balanced middle order batsman * Three allrounder * Fast bowlers taking wickets specially Bhomrah doing well * 6 regular bowlers combination * Fielding * Never give up attitude with some luck

[@abhistiwari]

Again, the analysis is totally off. There is so much of “English players are great”. Players like Bairstow and Moeen havent won any significant matches for some time now. Butler was the only threat in that order. Livingstone has been a failure. His bowling is part time at best on pitch tailor made for spinners. Brook hasn’t proved himself yet against spin. Curran is a spent force. Jordan is at best a second 11 player in most top sides. It should have been no surprise but for Wisden “experts”, England are the best side ever. 😊

[@Removehandle]

England badly needs Pakistan tour now to get back on track 😂😂😂😂

[@georgecurtis5371]

Do you guys actually follow cricket? You ralk about future England players and totally ignored Rishi Patel the leading run scorer in the blast this season by a mile and an outstanding player in all formats unbelievable

[@Wishva737]

@31:47 Classic Yas Rana 😅

[@KICK839]

Picking jacks over baristow would have been nice.

[@sanjaysb8439]

Butler and England team management couldn't read the pitch inspite of losing to SA in the same ground in Super 8 match chasing 166, Moeen Ali didn't bowl surprisingly instead of Curran and they didn't play convincingly in the tournament.

[@AbD_tta]

After a 5-6 year hiatus from watching cricket, two things that bug me after my return: 1. What is this BS about not bowling a certain bowler because a right hand bat or left hand bat is at the crease. When did that become a thing. 2. Not rotating the strike because a lower order batter is on the other end. I mean, I understand that in tests but in T20?, everyone can slog in T20s.

[@canadianmaplefan8079]

Thanks for the Brucy Bonus

[@Ernest_Thesiger]

If you'd asked me to predict how England would get knocked out of the World Cup a month ago, I would've said we'd choose to bowl first on a flat pitch(Sharma said he would've batted first), Chris Jordan would get smashed to all corners(37 from 3 overs) and we'd get well-beaten whilst trying to chase a challenging total. It's all so predictable and will continue to be for as long as we have this strange obsession with bowling first on bat-first pitches because we'd rather chase big totals than defend big totals. It doesn't help that our captain lets terrible bowlers like Jordan bowl at decent batsmen. You can get away with asking him to bowl late on against sides who are 7 or 8 down but sadly, not all oppostion batsmen bat like American tailenders and as we've seen for over a decade now, if you let Jordan bowl at proper batsmen, he'll get hit to all places until they mistime one of his many buffet balls and get caught on the boundary. Rob Key made the bizarre claim that we'd recalled our second-worst bowler of this century to improve our batting. Well Jordan has scored a grand total of 5 runs in the 7 matches he's played this summer. To be fair, Jordan is only partly to blame for our demise. We've hardly got loads of genuinely world-class players who consistently prove to be as good as anyone in the game. Ben Stokes and others may think we had a good World Cup but the truth is, we played four games against Test-playing nations and lost three of them! Some would say we were lucky that the rain prevented Scotland from beating us! It's certainly time for a new coach and captain and the old guard need to be moved on.

[@Ancz7]

I think the English media give away such heartwarming farewells to their players that they're chosen once more out of Nostalgia.

[@karthikj8969]

Such underrated comment . Lmao

[@SyedSaifAbbasNaqvi]

Moral support after moral victory 😂

[@atorbGk]

Why going after the Captain, England is behaving more like PAk. In and off the field (they are changing PM like seasons)

[@data280]

Joe Root would have given that solidarity in that one-sided semifinal. Would have got wickets too.

[@Removehandle]

We all saw how much solidarity he had given in ODI world cup 23 😂😂😂😂😂

[@rramach9091]

I am skeptical of the argument that India’s new T20 approach is the reason for their recent successes. The difference between Adelaide and Guyana is one thing and one thing only - the former was a road which suited England while Guyana suited India’s spinners.

[@KICK839]

Exactly. And in Adelaide half of batters were struggling with form. Only pandya,kohli and sky was having any form.

[@rozraat1021]

These are butt hurt analyzers, Just listen to what walker said @32:25 "These pitches are tailor made for Indian virtues"!

[@mervstash3692]

Moral victors again. Congrats England!

[@Removehandle]

England achieved moral victory in the semifinal by playing exactly HUNDRED balls😂😂😂😂😂

[@KICK839]

Baristrow is the most protected player ever

[@adnan161093]

Big 3 dominate world cricket 2019 ODI WC - England 2021 T20 WC - Australia 2022 T20 WC- England 2023 ODI WC - Australia 2024 T20 WC - India

[@Snoozefor10minutes]

31:47 this is the kind of shit that shouldn't come from an analyst, i mean its ridiculous how England thinks they are entitled to talk down other teams after winning just 2 trophies

[@rramach9091]

I never understood what qualities England saw in Jos Butler to appoint him as T20 captain. He seems like a nice guy but doesn’t inspire confidence as a leader.

[@JohnDickensonogle]

Need proper batsmen who can deliver in shorter format - like Sam Hain who is constantly overlooked in all formats for no good reason

[@saadamjad5436]

Butler should come down the order, and open with livingstone or bairstow. No one else is good enough to finish since morgan and stokes retired

[@harishpsgct]

Harry Brook at 3 and being given captaincy thereby freeing Buttler at the top as a pure bat will serve Eng well...

[@Sree99441]

RIP Mark B....

[@Kumar_KakaG]

Dont call me Hatemongerer but: England, NewZealand, Ireland and SriLanka - all played series with Pakistan befote this T20WC2024. Everyone crashed out. 🤔

[@DNW28]

Hatemonger

[@invisible3237]

Sent back like 1947

[@Eatwithkaranvlogs]

England cricket is again at the downward curve after Morgan I know they have won T20 WC 2022 but apart from that they have lost most of the big series. I think being a flat track bully and not adapting to conditions doesn’t help

[@Devastating-queen-destroyrKing]

Felt sorry for Butler 😞 but more glad that India moved on to Final as deserved 💪🏻, let's win it boys🥂 pin me I'm first to comment 😅

[@vincentantonyraj782]

Every damn English, so called, analyst says “in those conditions “ without fail.whats try don’t understand is those are not home conditions for India. They never accept that their team is not good enough in “those” conditions. When they win at home, no one says, in those conditions..

[@itachiuchiha-bl5wv]

Kia is a south korean company btw!!😅

[@dr.shaun.g]

Can’t stop laughing at Yas Rana at 31:48 - “of course and obviously Indi will loose the final” ! What a potato head he was and is proved beyond any iota of doubt ! Hey Jas Rana - how r u feelin bro !!

[@dr.shaun.g]

I just don’t understand what is this Wisden channel’s infatuation with a crackhead like Yas Rana whose IQ is that of a senile cretin who is giving an overwhelming statement that “Of course India will loose the finals” - and Phil Walker was smart enough to destroy his egoistic banter. Even me as a Pakistani fan of cricket would never ridicule a class team like India. Hey Wisden - get rid of Nepotism if that’s the case or your merit is absolute trash.

[@Sree99441]

Swinging Conditions, Bouncy Tracks, Spinning wickets ... Eng are Trash . Give them a flat deck with even bounce they are good.

[@extremewing686]

Entropy of universe is increasing every second pass by, which means there's nothing in this world is perfect, you have to adopt live with what you have, if England don't cope up to reality it'll be next pakistan both politically and in cricket😂😂

[@karthikm.g8343]

So the final is India vs SA, England, Australia, NZ,Pakistan,.... 😂. We are the most hated cricket team in the world

[@dr.shaun.g]

31:37

[@hamzaahmad9527]

Dube, reliable? Why has he been selected, Still can't tell

[@CrookedKnight-xl4nn]

Another bunch of entitled Kevins blaming India for scheduling and conditions. Ho hum. What’s new?

[@Himlovesrunning]

Mark Butcher 😆

[@saratchandrayalamarthi1057]

Yash u just shut up u said india prefixed and all but never talked about eng weak play against spin so dont put players efforts as lottery and prefixed

[@pidchedrr1796]

Payback feels good!

[@titan-0016]

Can you be more in the face with that Kia logo on video? I thought only Pakistan or Indian channels do that but apparently not....

[@dr.shaun.g]

Can’t stop laughing at Yas Rana at 31:48 - “of course and obviously Indi will loose the final” ! What a potato head he was and is proved beyond any iota of doubt ! Hey Jas Rana - how r u feelin bro !! BTW, I am not even Indian, in case u start rant of Indian zealots !

[@saptagirish17]

Guys. How about actually discussing the match instead of doing a long term review. That could be part of another podcast where u look back and forward at the same time. When there is an event that has happened, why spend such little time analysing the game?

[@jonny4866]

such an odd comments section. Literally every england fan knows how good india are and quite like them. Fans are freaks

[@karthikeyannataraj3786]

Respect to these guys for calling it as they see it and not sucking up to India to get viewership. These guys are a pleasure to listen to for true cricket fans.

[@prasanthgp7568]

Agreed. The noise is always from those sorta people, so I hope you understand. But it has to be said that there is a sense of resentment and focus on BCCI more than the Indian team during analysis from western media and experts. Not the same from the fans of course.

[@jonny4866]

@@prasanthgp7568 Oh well maybe i’ve fundamentally misunderstood. If the frustration is with the media and not the fans, I couldn’t agree more. The UK media are bellends! Trust me it isn’t unique to India!

[@bksundar]

The day England try to play in all conditions, they will have to crib less . Result - Michael Vaughan has started to borrow Pakistani type tactics in cribbing lol

[@nomanabbasi6847]

I think eng bat well till 3.5 over why butter plays rash shot against not a good bowler axyar is an average bowler and also jadega is also an average bowler guldeeb yadav is good bowler eng could win that match if butter don't play rash shot and remain there till 10 over then I hope eng chance is very brigh in that wicket they are not bundela out in only 100 runs

[@Forwhomthebelltolls24]

The result was predictable. England is no match for India & Australia.

[@Gpaisf]

Bring back katya

[@Druma787]

Tomorrow india win 💯

[@shashankethane]

England players lack the skill to play on pitches which aren't flat period!

[@Removehandle]

England players just nothing more than flat track bulleys they can only win on thier home soil that too on flat tracks