Has the IPL Been GOOD or BAD for Cricket & Does IPL Commentary Need Improving?🤔🔥| Bumble & Kimber

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talkSPORT's Cricket editor and presenter Jon Norman sits down with former England cricket player, umpire, coach and commentator David 'Bumble' Lloyd and cricket writer Jarrod Kimber to discuss all things cricket.
In today's episode, Bumble & Kimber discuss whether the IPL has been a good or bad thing for cricket and whether IPL commentary needs improving regarding cricket analysis.
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[@nandraclan1493]

These discussions would be unlistenable without Jarrod, who is always the objective voice of reason.

[@Jaydoggie1]

Jarrod is awesome

[@prescot12345]

So true

[@ShanePalmer-yo4og]

Agreed. A fresh voice

[@RaghurajHoshing-uc3ud]

Whats funny is that back in the day Jarod used to be quite obnoxious. He was constantly complaining about t20 and IPL. But he appeared in that vox/explained documentary, in which he was quite objective and has been since.

[@user-ps1eq3vi4w]

Spot on.

[@PrinceM-m4b]

David Lloyd says that cricket should be governed by decent people, hinting at India's dominance in the sport. Are you implying that Indians are indecent? It's quite ironic for a British person to lecture others about decency. Many older individuals still struggle to accept that the world has moved on and Britain is no longer the empire where the sun never sets. He also praises Pakistan as a fantastic country. The problem is not Pakistan, the problem is terrorism and extremism that originates from Pakistan. He might ignore the suffering of hundreds of terror attack victims in India, but he should ask some of his fellow countrymen about the issues in his own country and their fears of London becoming 'Londonistan.' Regarding the participation of Pakistani players, we don't want our money to be used against our country and its army that protects our borders 24/7, 365 days a year. We tried to mend ties multiple times, only to face more terror attacks. And for what it's worth, it was the PCB that initially caused issues by not allowing its players to participate in the IPL due to security concerns. They never expected such a snubbing from the BCCI afterward. And great job, Jarrod, for trying to bring some sense into the discussion, even though it felt like you were talking to a brick wall. I'm not saying everything is perfect with the BCCI or IPL; there's plenty of room for improvement. However, some of the comments made were illogical.

[@user-ne3sy8cc7d]

Terrorism is also present in India that doesn't mean you target India players or decent people. Fact is India just doesn't want to play pakistan due to political issues

[@rajarshighosh4821]

@@user-ne3sy8cc7dPakistan is not important for India😂

[@PrinceM-m4b]

⁠@@user-ne3sy8cc7d the unfortunate truth is that such elements are present globally now, but we don’t let them rule the roost unlike in Pakistan. In Pakistan it’s state sponsored. Heck they even hid Bin Laden next to their military base. And it was after peace talks that Kargil happened in 1999, Parliament attack happened in 2001 and Pathankot air force base attack happened in 2016. So no more negotiations with traitors. We’re just minding our own business. Oh and fyi we are also aware that Bangladesh is somewhat stable only because of Sheikh Hasina. Otherwise it could have gone the same way after Sheikh Mujeebur Rahman’s assassination.

[@mayurkanth6987]

Also they conviniently forget that they ban Russia the moment they get any chance despite the fact that no Russian has done any terror attack on West like what ajmal kasab.

[@7ChaosBlack]

David Lloyd is a ray cyst.

[@rahulkadam3602]

Growth of EPL in England 👍 Growth of IPL in India 👎

[@sonsofstretford3866]

The hypocrisy, once the white boys don’t control everything then it’s a problem! Ask them what they think about the English Premier League’s influence on Football, pin drop silence!

[@M1ntt806]

It's just ragebait. They know headlines like these would be provocative and drive engagement so they keep churning out these half baked garbage takes lol.

[@nafiulshelim6194]

English FA doesn't control FIFA

[@anitapadhi325]

@@nafiulshelim6194 had we been controlling ICC , we would have won every trophy since 2010, as bcci has long been the richest board, if you can't match with our economic progress its your issue not ours "capitalism" will be unleashed its just snarling before the roar and cope cause this is just the start we will overtake Germany in 2027 to be the 3rd largest Economy and overtake US by 2047-2050s.

[@sauravkumarchand9691]

Hypocrisy, Hatred and Jealousy of English people towards Indians over the years haven't changed at all ever since the former colonizers were kicked out from India during 1947. Rise of India as Economic Powerhouse in the world even over passing UK economy and downfall of UK post Brexit is one of the many reasons these retired English folks are expressing their frustration and naive comments against India.

[@rnegs8472]

It’s shift of power, some people will be uncomfortable

[@rajsub3884]

Shift of power is ok as long balanced if not it will be good for no one it's like dictator if he gets all power he will do anything for his benifit there has to be balance things don't go wrong for anyone

[@rajarshichakraborty2405]

​@@rajsub3884we should first think about ourselves before we think about others . These same colonial powers who are now complaining about our success were once the masters and I didn't see them nor their minions complaining that time . This is our money and we have worked really hard for this and now they too want a share of that money .

[@Levi-rr4xc]

​@@rajarshichakraborty2405they want power too not only money 😂

[@Evil_Clown-eh6jz]

How is sucking on Jay Shah's d**k good for you personally? Honest question.

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@rajsub3884 You had no issue when the Anglo-Australian axis controlled the game from 1909 to 1965 which is the period when the ICC was called IMPERIAL CRICKET CONFERENCE. A blatant reference to IMPERIALISM.

[@imviiku]

Jarrod Kimber is the only sane one amongst them

[@shivasunkara]

Coz he is Australian..😂

[@TwoFourFourFour]

I find myself thinking this so often. Very unbiased and reasonable.

[@piyushk5027]

I find funny , “ decent ppl “. Before teaching Indians about including Pakistani in IPL, let Russian o ligarchy own EPL clubs & let Russia participate in Olympic under their own flag . After that come and teach about politics & cricket . The only person who was talking sense Jarod

[@jeevankikahaniya6339]

Jarod is Australian

[@gabbar51ngh]

​@@jeevankikahaniya6339 Australia is part of the Anglo order.

[@abhinay4200]

Also unilaterally trying to boycott Afghanistan team after bombing them for 2 decades

[@evilandrew1097]

Looking at the test rankings for the last five years, it appears that Australia and India have consistently ranked highest , while England consistently ranking Bottom on the list

[@ajayyadav0707]

Better to improve their cricket than to cry by doing this podcast...BCCI and IPL don't cry about any league... performance of English team in recent tym across all formats is worst...try to improve this and make a videos on that😂😂

[@shaktikumarkurup3621]

Because they turn 2nd rate cricketers

[@dm-pj7cp]

just wrong lol

[@srinivasanv633]

S bazball recently failed miserably in India & they can't win a game in Australia in tests, they failed to retain ashes in home😂😂😂😂

[@evilandrew1097]

@@dm-pj7cp prove it with stats

[@Madman02405]

If host wants India to be fair with Pakistan then his country should be fair with Russia & Afganistan. Your countries should play games with Russia & Afganistan.

[@Qrentius]

Their love for terr0rism is evident when it is at a distance, like in Pk, but suddenly they don't want it when it comes to their doorstep.

[@Santanibalak1]

Also with north korea 😊

[@sekarb2102]

Age related! He is wearing a diaper. So go easy on the old guy.

[@shadowSephiroth]

Its funny how British people are complaining about Capitalism in sports when all EPL ever did was destroy other leagues with the influx of money from sponsorships and broadcast rights.🤣

[@therecanbeonlyone801]

True but it was Serie A before and they crippled themselves through corruption. Money will always be chased. What can you do?

[@IndianVloggers9]

They are supremacists. Everything I good until they are controlling things .

[@grovestreetogs5953]

​@@therecanbeonlyone801still serie a clubs are performing well

[@therecanbeonlyone801]

@@grovestreetogs5953 maybe so in the past few years but not for a long time. The state of their stadiums and lack of investment in trying to remain at the top hasn't been up to standard, so they dropped down. The top players go where the money is, Epl, Barca and Madrid, PSG and Bayern. The rest are on catch up. It's the facts of money. Same thing with making easier money playing in 20 over cricket around the world or busting themselves for test matches. It's inevitable

[@AM2K2]

EPL was setup with equal revenue share amongst its members whilst other leagues had only the big boys collecting all the money...equal revenue share amongst 20 clubs sounds more like communism!

[@rkslounge8117]

Jarrod is awesome. Always offers a great perspective and doesn't talk emotionally.

[@zizoucris10]

The colonial powers are pissed off that their erstwhile colonies not only mastered their game but literally run it. Deal with it Sirs.

[@7ChaosBlack]

That's why they moaned when Australia beat England in 1882. They couldn't fathom a colony beating them.

[@unnikrishnan100]

Why dont they scrap EPL and play football with countries and win something at least in europe or worldcup, else shutup

[@M1ntt806]

If capitalism is happening in England and any traditionally western country it's good and if it's happening elsewhere in the world it is an abomination. IT IS KNOWN.

[@grovestreetogs5953]

European Super League would be better

[@66sukumar]

well said

[@AM2K2]

Again, this time in English please?

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@AM2K2 1) You know what he meant. 2) English isn't even his first language yet his comment is fairly legible. 3) It's extremely denigrating, degrading and condescending to say "in English please". Should he say "in hindi please" if you go to India and butcher your attempt at the language? Muppet.

[@bijaydhungel6480]

Such a follish point of monopoly. We in South Asia also want to see best footballer play in league of India, Bangladesh, Bhutan and there is monopoly of England and Spain majorly in football. I think its more market then the monopoly.

[@larrygerry985]

There are 2 things, individual vs the wider good. Individually you can't blame someone for taking the money. However, it has destroyed WI cricket at tge International level, and is doing the same with NZ and other countries. In 20 years, cricket will just be the IPL and a niche sport everywhere else

[@bulthaosen1169]

​@@larrygerry985just like football/soccer

[@Playerone1287]

Monopolies are bad period That's a universal all time truth

[@bijaydhungel6480]

@@Playerone1287 There is hardly any fair play in world. Its all monopoly. But I fear cricket will soon end as south Asian game like some games are exclusively American.

[@apoorvsingh4459]

​@@larrygerry985not only ipl all the different leagues are bad for growth of Tests and Odis

[@xendit1635]

Everything is politics. Look at Russia aren't allowed in Olympics by west. What was that?

[@kitten8962]

💯

[@sheldonchettiar4392]

The Uk government put a complete ban on Russians in EPL Thats fine but India can’t keep their bodies secured

[@Snoozefor10minutes]

They continue to complain based on the narrative they want to set😅, they don't give a f about overall growth of the game, they just don't want to loose their hold on cricket

[@lokhtar]

Watch icharus. It was about state sponsored doping

[@rootman1588]

😂😂😂if your country players don't want to play ipl ,then don't play ipl ,it's very simple..

[@larrygerry985]

I don't blame individuals choosing money. But on a wider level, IPL has destroyed international cricket

[@CricketEngland]

No the IPL needs to understand that international cricket comes first as with out international cricket their is no cricket and therefore no IPL

[@rootman1588]

@@CricketEngland why don't u tell samething to big bash league, australia and england players are benefiting through this ipl to understand the Indian pitch condition and situation out there, that's why they are playing ...

[@abhaymanitiwari4362]

​@@CricketEnglandnobody gives a damn about internationals except Tests and World Cups

[@rootman1588]

@@CricketEngland if some players are not willing to go ,let them not go but every board has power to keep their players to show importance of playing for the country rather than choosing to play ipl .

[@satstatchannel]

From the beginnings of cricket the English establishment have ruled cricket. Firstly Australia and then the likes of India & West Indies were sneered at, downtrodden & humiliated. The 1983 World Cup gave India a voice, the English were too arrogant and slow to react. Now with the ever increasing growth of IPL & franchise cricket, England are left in the slipstream. It is effectively payback for over 100 years of arrogant rule

[@7ChaosBlack]

Cricket was basically a means to exert british colonialism's soft power.

[@Qrentius]

@@7ChaosBlack Nope, it was just an entertainment. Whatever "meaning" or "rivalry" or "pride" became associated with it was mainly created by fans.

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@Qrentius Wrong. The game of cricket was exported to all of Britain's colonies for one very specific reason, as a way to reinforce a hegemonic cultural order in the face of emancipation of the relative slave populations. Cricket was effectively a tool of colonialism, much more than just a sport for sport's sake.

[@SUNDARZS]

Pls don't forget that Foreign cricket boards earn handsomely through IPL for releasing their players. Infact IPL and BCCI is helping cricket to grow. Evidence is WC going to US

[@Snoozefor10minutes]

Count even south africa and afganistan in that, we all saw what they did this year in T20 WC

[@Playerone1287]

Why no one's talking about making cricket popular again in UK and Australia Cricket is declining there

[@imviiku]

Cricket was never the No.1 sport in both countries anyway

[@Jaydoggie1]

Cricket is slowly dying in Australia, we only really care about the ashes and ODI World Cups. The rest doesn’t really matter to many Aussie fans anymore.

[@Playerone1287]

@@Jaydoggie1 you care about ODI worldcups? Really? There was no cricket fan on the airport when pat Cummins brought the WC23 trophy You just care about Ashes that's it

[@banditonehundred]

@@Jaydoggie1is it seen as a rich man’s sport? It’s ridiculously expensive to play proper cricket. Most of us in India can only afford to play tennis ball cricket on makeshift grounds

[@Qrentius]

@@banditonehundred True, I think there should be modifications to this sport or at least some new "format" which is easier to play. Just removing the hard cork ball and introducing a tennis-like but better quality ball would be a great start. As soon as you remove the need for defensive equipments, it starts to become way more affordable as it is in countries like Ind/Pak where it is actually the poor man's game, and the "elites" (or wannabe elites) follow foreign leagues of football and tennis and what not.

[@haze5276]

Never ever believe the words of a Brit . You know their history.

[@therecanbeonlyone801]

Lol. Every other country is so much more believable haha

[@Snoozefor10minutes]

​@@therecanbeonlyone801nope, the Brits and Americans have a different legacy to it😅

[@therecanbeonlyone801]

@@Snoozefor10minutes 🥱🥱🥱

[@takethecannoli999]

As all 60 million British people are the same and will be forever ....

[@bobbyg309]

And do you think the world trusts India? Who is doing all the scamming? 🤣

[@IndianVloggers9]

You guys should stop EPL ...IPL has exact same formulaa😂

[@awhynash]

Bumble's comments about "decent people" running the IPL are insulting. The IPL thrives because of its diverse leadership, not some elitist ideal. on the other hand, Cricket is a sport, but geopolitics matter. India-Pakistan matches are cultural events, not handouts. If India chooses not to play them, it's their call. Jarrod's right. Some can't handle India's success, fueled by the IPL's free market approach.

[@RaviSharma-jd8gn]

Why are you bothering with that old fool! It is sad that a man in his position is not aware of world politics to understan the Pakistan situation or he is CLEARLY a colonialist who is pissed off that India is ruling cricket and not England! He never did an interview like this when the whole world had to go to England to play in their leagues - when England had THEIR players playing in APARTHEID South Africa (Little to NO respect for the coloured cricket nation - one such player was Andrew Jackman!). The ENGLISH CANNOT be the DECENT people he wants to run the game!!! He is "STEWING" that POC have taking over the game!!!

[@sekarb2102]

Age related! He is wearing a diaper. So go easy on the old guy.

[@sarthakbhamare2704]

Look at the Afghanistan cricket they litterally change themselves from zero to hero.nowadays cricket is most popular sport in afghanistan

[@kumaranand743]

I wonder why ECB is yet to give Ireland a 5 match series if they're "decent" and custodians of developing cricket worldwide!

[@Snoozefor10minutes]

Wow, that's a genuine point

[@sanatmishra93]

When was the last time India played a 4 match test series against Afghanistan?

[@kumaranand743]

@@sanatmishra93 Exactly my point! Boards will do what's in their best financial interest. There's no need to act holier than thou, and claim that cricket boards were somehow "decent" earlier and it's indecent now.

[@sanatmishra93]

@@kumaranand743 sure. But the BCCI's stranglehold on the world cricket is not good for the game. I care about the sport of cricket. BCCI is actively killing the sport for its profit margins. Why aren't Indian players allowed to play in BBL and The Hundred/Blast? People will defend anything in the name of nationalism and patriotism these days.

[@kumaranand743]

@@sanatmishra93 Well, I wish it were an ideal world. But, we know what ECB will do from past history - i.e. strengthen county cricket at the cost of international cricket. At least BCCI is promoting cricket by getting associate players to play in IPL. Therefore, you could make a case for more power to BCCI to protect the game from the evil ECB who almost ran it to the ground till Kerry Packer and BCCI came along.

[@uniqguy111]

Cry babies😂😂 We never complained abt EPL

[@jamesburke1168]

Everyone complains about the EPL. Even the English do lmao

[@Utubeisevil]

and these people never give chance to players from emerging countries

[@akshaypadmanabhan8582]

@@jamesburke1168we complain about BCCI too lol.

[@jamesburke1168]

@@akshaypadmanabhan8582 No one has claimed otherwise

[@uniqguy111]

@@jamesburke1168 We don't poke into other countries' domestic leagues. We have issues too, but we Indian fans put pressure on players to win for the nation and not just the IPL money.

[@imviiku]

Only thing i'll agree from this video is that IPL Commentary needs to be improved massively. We need better Callers and less Ex-cricketers. We need more Ian Bishop's & Mark Howard's and less Murali Kartik, Harsha Bhogle, Sunny G, Deep Das Gupta etc.

[@optimus574]

Sunny g is legend bro, his commentary intelligence is extraordinary.

[@nightwatchman7482]

​@@optimus574what bs. He's the worst commentator. Surviving purely on his reputation

[@rickypontinification]

Harsha bhogle is amazing Others I agree

[@imviiku]

@@rickypontinification he is so bad! We don't need " What a Ball, what a bowler " type BS

[@sc0ut1077]

Just a reminder without india, without Bcci , ICC or ECC will not survive. If india doesn't play 2-3 Icc tournaments your all cricket boards will bankrupt.that old guy is still living in 80s, come to Reality my friend 😂

[@Maweredits]

That old man is former England player and umpire have some respect am also your comment is right but you sounds so childish dumb

[@ram.a8923]

There are Two types people out there in the Cricketing fraternity : 1. IPL Praiser's (Those who got jobs and money out of Ipl) 2.IPL Haters (Those who don't get any gig in Ipl and has to stay home for two months because of IPL)

[@Harshalcv11]

4:12 ... I don't understand the point of this. You say India has strangle hold on the sport. The largest revenue generated for cricket is from India. Cricket needs money (any sport needs money) for more institutions/infrastructure and what not. Then what is the point? You want Indian money but don't want India to have strangle hold on things? I'm sorry but that's not going to happen. If you want money from someone, they will dictate what the money does.

[@Severussnape09]

When India is leading in the sport they say it’s capitalism , and when a western country leads , then it’s the norm . The guy who was speaking for the whole time understood what it is in the IPL. Countries like India hve created interest globally via their domestic t20 leagues . U see Canada , usa . Other African countries , Arab ones participating it’s because of ipl, what it did for global cricket , now one can see all countries having their own leagues which give opportunities to more players . And the 2 other people just did not wanna understand .

[@mychoice6748]

When zim captain Taylor leave zim team and played in county cricket they never talk about it England captain Morgan did the same thing😂😂😂 and list goes on and on

[@av98]

Kevin pietersen was born in South Africa too

[@ariyanmaitra595]

England literally have kolpak cricketers

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@ariyanmaitra595 Kolpak did huge damage.

[@Playerone1287]

13:22 lol he's so frustrated with that😂😂

[@PremNistal]

WPL is the next big thing in Women's cricket. in the next three years, phenomenal global talent in Women's will be discovered in WPL. BCCI is pumping in 500$ million towards WPL..

[@androidgamer9290]

first you have to win titles in women cricket they done nothing always loses to Australia or either england india have to win icc trophy

[@Snoozefor10minutes]

​@@androidgamer9290don't worry, it will happen

[@dm-pj7cp]

@@Snoozefor10minutes nah aus is too ahead

[@M_R___974]

​@@dm-pj7cpsame was the case with men in 90s , early 2000s. Only a matter of time. Meg lanning already said this.

[@M_R___974]

​@@androidgamer9290losing to Aus probably isn't that bad. They professionalized women cricket early. So wait n watch. Ind w will consistently beat ausw in Aus in medium term.

[@CITY_spock]

When being the 'Spiritual Home of Cricket' gives you more power than being the 'Literal Home of Cricket' 😂😂😂😂

[@hitingupta2411]

How was England running before 1980s??

[@Madman02405]

They don't want Indian monopoly on game..... They want their own monopoly back on the game. 😂 Glad Jarrod mentioned County cricket point here.

[@Snoozefor10minutes]

They were the same people who said what was India doing in 1983 finals, and it's not their place to be there

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@Snoozefor10minutes Pure racism in my opinion.

[@preshant91]

David Lloyd couldn't hide his racism. "good people" apparently.

[@318harshit]

On the commentator quality point I agree with you guys, that the quality of commentators in India like Murali Kartik, deep das gupta, sunil gavaskar... who would never ever criticize a big player and their commentary skills are not great either... Rather than doing commentary these people go on a rant either in favor of a player or against a player or a thing...

[@Qrentius]

Why do we even need former players to do commentary? Commentry is all about communication skills, that's the speciality of media people, not people who spend their whole life in the ground. Look at people like Harsha Bhogle and other journalists, who are much better than these former players. Sure, have some experts too in the com box for their inputs, but just like the post match shows but even more so, the rest should be done by journalists and other media people.

[@nitinbhatnagar6509]

Also, folks from English cricket (founders of T20, 100 etc) crying about IPL might kill test cricket, need to look inward.

[@sarthakbhamare2704]

If you watched world top sports leagues ranking properly then you will understand that there was no any cricket league in past but after ipl you will see it’s the world 510 million viewers worldwide that will definately help to promote cricket worldwide.

[@nil0355]

The charge of monopoly coming from English cricket is gold. But yes, the loss of objectivity in commentry and commentators being turned into cheerleaders and franchise league owners behaving like team managers are important issues. But the thing is as on field commentary gets undermined we have rise of indie commentators through the internet. And in a way it is a better arrangement for cricket nerds. They get to pick and choose and even present live feedback. I agree with Jarrod IPL should be include more teams and run for a longer period. You can't fight time , you got to embrace it. One thing everyone needs to remember India didn't need T20. Indeed for most of the first decade of T20 India's attitude towards it was lukewarm. India used to get full house in ODIs and great crowd in Test matches back in the 2000s. T20 was made so that boards like ECB or NZC , etc could make money. Then ICL happened and threatened a Kerry Packer 2.0 . At that point BCCI had to bring in IPL

[@CITY_spock]

The more I listen to these debates the more I sense opinions & tide against India & IPL. Solution: Foreign boards can pay their players as well as IPL does and they won't participate in IPL ergo killing the IPL... But, 1) foreign boards don't have the business model to make that much money due to lack of eyeballs, 2) if they do that then BCCI will abstain from touring in those countries leading to even drop in profits of foreign boards becos every1 needs IND to tour, a cash cow... 3) Indian administrators in the ICC will not let than happen to indian cricket... So, we live in IPL's world, let's accept it and move on.

[@RaviSharma-jd8gn]

Why are you bothering with that old fool! It is sad that a man in his position is not aware of world politics to understan the Pakistan situation or he is CLEARLY a colonialist who is pissed off that India is ruling cricket and not England! He never did an interview like this when the whole world had to go to England to play in their leagues - when England had THEIR players playing in APARTHEID South Africa (Little to NO respect for the coloured cricket nation - one such player was Andrew Jackman!). The ENGLISH CANNOT be the DECENT people he wants to run the game!!! He is "STEWING" that POC have taking over the game!!!

[@deepakgupta-ng2bb]

IPL is immature.... they need better commentators and more professionalism that's I agree.

[@CricketEngland]

They also need to understand not to interfere with international cricket as with out international cricket their is no cricket and therefore no top players to play in IPL

[@jeevankikahaniya6339]

​@@CricketEnglandAgain you forget your place?..you don't run cricket bussy

[@contrarian322]

@@CricketEngland😂 we will produce our own don’t worry . In any future ..India being short of human capital is not a thing.

[@imacarguy4065]

The commentators are the same ones everywhere. At least on the English side.

[@imacarguy4065]

​@@CricketEnglandIs that an IPL thing? Also, what has England done for cricket? It's that inherent Elitism that came from your country which destroyed the sport's popularity everywhere. Thats why only South Asians play this stuff throughout the country. Its a niche sport everywhere else.

[@HOG1070]

Had this been EPL( CRICKET) these discussions would be how English cricket helping the game to improve 😂😂😂😂

[@Scoutyarmy_1]

Such a bullshit topic 'Monopoly' and 'Capitalism' I mean from the brits stop it guys.😂😂😂

[@RaviSharma-jd8gn]

Why are you bothering with that old fool! It is sad that a man in his position is not aware of world politics to understan the Pakistan situation or he is CLEARLY a colonialist who is pissed off that India is ruling cricket and not England! He never did an interview like this when the whole world had to go to England to play in their leagues - when England had THEIR players playing in APARTHEID South Africa (Little to NO respect for the coloured cricket nation - one such player was Andrew Jackman!). The ENGLISH CANNOT be the DECENT people he wants to run the game!!! He is "STEWING" that POC have taking over the game!!!

[@abhishingwekar]

Oh look, colonial dinasours not understanding how a former colony can dominate their game 😂😂😂

[@sachinmesta4238]

Also forgot to mention another thing, Earlier people who loved cricket, played cricket, most of the indian player who won 1983 world cup had day jobs, also then BCCI was so poor that a concert was arranged by Famous singer Lata Mangeshkar & all the proceeds of this concert went to the players who won the tournament. Fast forward 2024, BCCI gives US$ 15 million to the team (including players and staff) BCCI does not just sit on the money, it develops infra at grass roots. It also used the idea of IPL to put in WPL for women. Further BCCI is one of the board that has equal pay for men and women in cricket. Each board wants to play cricket with india because it brings in money. unfortunately in today's world, money talks. till 90s West Indies was the strongest team with lot of top cricketers, I can even tell you the entire 1983 line up, Gordon Greenidge, Desmond Haynes, Viv Richards, Clive Lloyd, Larry Gomes, Geoff Dujon, Malcolm Marshall, Michael Holding, Andy Roberts, joel Garner, Each one a top player. But where are the players now? people who take up the sport, either do for the love of it, or for the money, there is not much money in cricket, their league is in shambles because of no sponsorhip. West Indies look hopefully at ways to bring in money for their cricket, there was a millionaire who put a league at huge money, but did not pay anyone, remember? IPL is bringing in money, its team owners are buying franchise in other countries where they want to develop cricket, where there are people of cricket playing countries. See the sudden rise of USA. there are people who see potential to play there. Of course IPL is a monopoly due to its huge viewership, and following & it may not last always, but till the time it lasts, why not build a good basic to ensure the development and growth of cricket, let the youth & kids involved in the sport either by love of sport or lure of money. If a good player from say Greenland, which does not have a team what should he do? IPL is place for such, maybe some team like USA watch them and offer citizenship for them to play, already corey Anderson is playing for USA,

[@RaviSharma-jd8gn]

Why are you bothering with that old fool! It is sad that a man in his position is not aware of world politics to understan the Pakistan situation or he is CLEARLY a colonialist who is pissed off that India is ruling cricket and not England! He never did an interview like this when the whole world had to go to England to play in their leagues - when England had THEIR players playing in APARTHEID South Africa (Little to NO respect for the coloured cricket nation - one such player was Andrew Jackman!). The ENGLISH CANNOT be the DECENT people he wants to run the game!!! He is "STEWING" that POC have taking over the game!!!

[@arkitectoor]

Middle guy brought up why Pakistan cannot play in the IPL. Same reason why Russians are blocked from playing at Wimbledon.

[@well_said7846]

IPL needs to be 20 teams, 6 months long and not worry about International cricket. They should remove the cap on foreign players. Attract the best cricket talent from all over the world to play where they will be appreciated.

[@blackspike555]

How come every time there is something going against English then it's bad !!!!! Just a thought that THE HUNDRED didn't get that popularity hurts them. Always a cry baby

[@EntropyInfo]

Indian should have monarchy and should installed a royal charter for hindus and established a new company for monopoly of European market

[@npg7198]

Literally Europeans got capitalism to India through colonialism.

[@janand444]

Jarrod trying best to keep the hosts obvious dislike to IPL. How is IPL any different to EPL.

[@shankarnarayananiyer8715]

Politics and cricket cannot be seen in isolation.

[@sanatmishra93]

Yes they can. Why did we ever start playing against Pakistan when they invaded us in 1948? Where was India resolve to not play pakistan then? Just because IPL has made so much money for the BCCI they are strong arming international cricket the way it suits them

[@harisht45]

Anyone can opt out of IPL. ICC /BCCI didn't make any rule to force player to play IPL. At least it did good for Indian rural cricketers

[@desimurgi]

The thumbnail cap of Lloyd makes me think talkSPORT is secretly pro capitalism and pro IPL. I like it.

[@sauravkumarchand9691]

Before 2007 Inaugural World Cup, India was quite reluctant to participate in T20 format of the game. Indian Cricket Team after winning the 2007 Edition T20 WC, IPL emerged as wholesome Sports Entertainment on similar pattern like Aussie Rules Football League in Australia, NBA Basketball League in USA and English Premier League Football tournament, which are globally watch. Kerry Packer revolutionized ODI Cricket during 1970s. Similarly IPL helped in growth and development of T20 Cricket across various part of the world along with various other franchise leagues. Yes too much of T20 Cricket would definitely impact both Test and ODIS format of Cricket. I personally feel both T20s and ODI Cricket should be played like Test format with 4 Innings (25 Overs each side for ODIS and 10 overs each for T20s), so that both batsman and bowler get equal chance to outplay each other. I Saw similar T20 format played in Indian Celebrity Cricket League (Featuring All Indian Actors from various film fraternity) competition, where both side played T20 format in 4 innings (10 over each side in one inning). It was more exciting and thrilling to watch. This year IPL introduced Substitute option (Impact Player), which is very good concept in similar fashion like Football and Field Hockey. Regarding standard of Pitches, ICC and Every Country Governing Cricket Boards must invest their money, so that quality pitches are prepared in every Cricket playing nations, so that nobody complains about Pitches in major ICC tournaments. IPL brought cross cultural friendship among players across the globe and led to minimization of racism and sledging, which we witnessed frequently during 1980s to early 2000s.

[@CITY_spock]

As a cricket community we need clarity as to 1. Do we want to expand int'l cricket or 2. Do we want to expand just the game of cricket irrespective of the mode whether leagues or int'l... Capitalism is not bad and esp for developing countries it boosts their economies. However, you need IND even to grow int'l cricket becos guess what more no. of eyeballs... So, IPL which is for IND eyeballs is not such a bad thing really...

[@yunijkarki9088]

Jarrod Kimber is so insightful. Wow.

[@lauracollins-sg2tq]

It all comes down to one thing! The power shift! Look how Lloyd is blabbering! He doesn’t know what to say but is all over the place. Get over it guys!

[@sekarb2102]

Age related! He is wearing a diaper. So go easy on the old guy.

[@joyeshnag9214]

So that's the reason someone said that the spirit of cricket is the ghost of an old white man!

[@nitishdubey22]

Was it healthy when England, Australia, South Africa had a Monopoly over cricket? Would this bearded Gentleman stand against ECB and it's tactics to this day to control cricket?

[@larrygerry985]

2 wrongs don't make it right. Sure india can have a domestic tournament. But the wider game is dying.

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@larrygerry985 India's doing its bit. Maybe the other boards need to buck up.

[@Cafe--Racer]

Let old farts have their tantrum, it changes nothing.

[@nitinbhatnagar6509]

Last I checked, sports are a type of entertainment. When did it changed to something different?

[@viveksain1641]

David Loyd comes around as hypocrite, jealous of Indian cricket and its soft power. He was 'Not' one of the decent people when they Used to run the game from Lords.

[@abrarahmed5755]

He’s just an old man used to the old colonies

[@rjari8578]

Not every country has the facility to play 4-5 overseas players in thier national team but IPL is destroying cricket 😂😂

[@arkzbh]

I haven't even watched the discussion yet, but answer to the second question is an emphatically "YES "

[@naren8600]

Its so easy to make decisions when you are not the decision maker.

[@RVG1203]

Glossing over bad decisions is not new... The so called great Channel 9 commentators of old used to just skip showing replays of howlers in favour of Australia

[@RiteshKumarPanda]

If they have a Monopoly over something it's perfect if India or not a western country have a Monopoly it's bad

[@aniruddhakaslikar2987]

Says someone who monopolized football in their own country

[@yashassridharan5504]

Very rich coming from Englishmen, who till a decade ago, called Lords and England the home of cricket, to be talking about "Monopoly" in cricket! Wow!!

[@TheConduit10]

Sub continent ? pakistan is a fantastic country ? clearly a lot of ''Empire talk '' .

[@RaguRaghupathi]

I do not know about you. I sense a deep rooted jealousy of IPL in these Brits! A gentle reminder: The sun set in the British Empire ages ago!

[@abhistiwari]

Jarrod’ points left them almost flummoxed especially when they were told how County cricket stole cricketers from around the world in the past. To this day they do it. Players like Pietersen or Archer or “their” world cup winning captain. Didn’t see any concern for game development in those affected countries ever. E.g. SA, Ireland, West Indies etc. In short, it is a bunch of Englishmen sitting there doing what they do best, moan i.e., and feeling sad for being left out of the money and riches that they thought would stay with them forever. Guess what? World moved on and empire is no more. Sun is shining somewhere else now. 😂

[@7ChaosBlack]

Yup, colonialism is over and we're all free now.

[@RaviSharma-jd8gn]

Why are you bothering with that old fool! It is sad that a man in his position is not aware of world politics to understan the Pakistan situation or he is CLEARLY a colonialist who is pissed off that India is ruling cricket and not England! He never did an interview like this when the whole world had to go to England to play in their leagues - when England had THEIR players playing in APARTHEID South Africa (Little to NO respect for the coloured cricket nation - one such player was Andrew Jackman!). The ENGLISH CANNOT be the DECENT people he wants to run the game!!! He is "STEWING" that POC have taking over the game!!!

[@Cricket_Cinema1225]

These guys can't digest the success of IPL & india

[@AkashG3888]

Stop crying. Earlier, you guys said India had a defensive team and would get knocked out after the semis. Look, we won the cup! Not only that, we thrashed your team easily. Because of the IPL, Afghanistan players got exposure to pressure and they have beaten Australia easily. Plus, IPL matches are more difficult than international games. Whether you agree or disagree, it is the best league in the world.

[@RaviSharma-jd8gn]

Why are you bothering with that old fool! It is sad that a man in his position is not aware of world politics to understan the Pakistan situation or he is CLEARLY a colonialist who is pissed off that India is ruling cricket and not England! He never did an interview like this when the whole world had to go to England to play in their leagues - when England had THEIR players playing in APARTHEID South Africa (Little to NO respect for the coloured cricket nation - one such player was Andrew Jackman!). The ENGLISH CANNOT be the DECENT people he wants to run the game!!! He is "STEWING" that POC have taking over the game!!!

[@residentindia]

These guys applied for IPL but we're not given jobs

[@thiruvetti]

India has always treated visiting teams' trantrums in a good way. English and Aussie players used to visit INdia like the own this place. Even Flintoff was known to throw tantrums for everything from petty issues involving food and hotels. But legends like Dravid, Srikanth have reported how they never recieved proper meals as per their culture or requirements. Even they never used to get proper net practise facilities. This is the monopoly period of ECB and ACB until 2000s

[@rameezrather5385]

Srikanth is a legend wow!!

[@jitendrakotak]

These fools don't realize that cricket is becoming a true global sport like soccer and national games are going to be irrelevant except for world cups.

[@mod3353]

Asking about Pakistani’s being in the IPL is being very ignorant. Would you want players from a country that does terrorist attacks constantly against your own citizens!

[@anonymous-bs1xb]

And they don’t play with Afghanistan, because of political differences. Sure they make it as human rights issue, but so is terrorism.

[@sauravkumarchand9691]

That's because many former England Cricketers like David Lloyd, David Gower, Michael Vaughan and Mark Butcher are Pro Pakistani and harbour hatred and jealousy towards India. These former England Cricketers are regular invitees in PSL (Pakistan Super League Cricket Tournament) as Commentators every year and hence they are showing their loyalty towards Pakistan. Due to IPL Popularity, Vitality Blast and 100 Balls Franchise Cricket Started in England but couldn't matched with the success of IPL, hence salty and sour grapes comments.

[@7ChaosBlack]

They didn't play Pakistan. They don't play bilaterals with Afghanistan. They as a nation boycotted Russia because of Ukraine but have arms deals with Saudi Arabia.

[@soulatma994]

JAROD IS THE ONLY SANE PERSONALITY AMONGST THEM. JUST HAD TO WATCH HOW ILLOGICAL, NON SENSIBLE, ONE SIDED AND JEALOUS DISCUSSION THEY CAN GO.

[@Movies3-v6p]

England cricket was done the moment IPL league announced.

[@varungathani]

I agree 100%, Commentary has slipped down hill with people like Manjrekar and Ramiz Raja allowed in front of a mic PERIOD! I don't mean just IPL, but Cricket Commentary on the Indian Broadcast feeds in gerenal. I Swear there times when it sounds like a few cynile old men ranting about irrelevant or obvious things.

[@muditchaudhary7255]

People are complaining about politicians in cricket. They must know that these politicians made the cricket what is now in the subcontinent. It could be any other sports but cause influential people were involved in cricket that's why it's so big in the subcontinent.

[@rajivnath_originals]

Jarrod is clearly the voice of reason. Unfortunately, the game is about money, and the IPL is not only the biggest league but look at all the young talent (Indian and foreign players) that have been developed by the IPL. If there are any concerns, then show us another way? England pioneered the game but has issues when they are not in control. Also, look at what the IPL franchise model has done for other parts of the world, including the US, West Indies, and South Africa. Ironically, the latter two countries couldn't afford to pay their stars and had to leave their country and join the English county leagues and England men's squad.

[@RaviSharma-jd8gn]

Why are you bothering with that old fool! It is sad that a man in his position is not aware of world politics to understan the Pakistan situation or he is CLEARLY a colonialist who is pissed off that India is ruling cricket and not England! He never did an interview like this when the whole world had to go to England to play in their leagues - when England had THEIR players playing in APARTHEID South Africa (Little to NO respect for the coloured cricket nation - one such player was Andrew Jackman!). The ENGLISH CANNOT be the DECENT people he wants to run the game!!! He is "STEWING" that POC have taking over the game!!!

[@KratosIsSick]

The IPL has done what English cricket could not do in Europe. France, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Norway, Sweden could have had a league with UK & I and Netherlands cricket. So please please look inwards Brits. Once you have a League and product where countries of these sizes are interested in Cricket, speak. Till then EPL is the best product out of England and IPL is next best.

[@beyondbollywoodplus]

Jarrod Kimber may not be likes by administrators but I like his fearless attitude . Fabulous discussion.

[@666raki]

KZbin is missing on sports

[@osmsiddiqi]

How do you gloss past IPL excluding a specific nation of players from the beginning as a significant con? Is this not a stone cold fact that is worth addressing when you talk about good people running cricket?

[@londonds91]

If the panelist think Eng no longer call the shots, the bad news is- they havent seen what that means yet.

[@Playerone1287]

I watched a short recently of sports tk saying "the every other country hates indian cricket and they never want india to win, i was in the commentary box and everyone was laughing smirking smiling when india lost back to back wickets in Maharaj over and when klassen hit 24 run is axar over" Now my views towards these non Indians have changed, but i still like Jarrod

[@rajarora2097]

They have no idea that IPL does commentary in some 20 Indian languages , the idea is to engage more Indians in their language , their whole problem is that they couldnt do it first and second they couldnt do it in English way .

[@Falsevoice]

Politics in sports 😂😂😂😂 You (Western Countries) kicked out Russia from Olympics. Need some decent people 😂😂😂😂😂

[@aniruddh05]

India loves all kind of Cricket....if anyone who can be trusted with Cricket in all formats it's India....❤

[@Mattswfc14]

Not having internationals as the pinnacle of the sport makes it incredibly vulnerable in the long term. In football, only in England is club over country a regular phrase. And England is a country of 55M where the WC & Euros still take over everything. While the capotalist machine runs, its great. But an economic downturn or one gigantic error means its suddenly begging for breath without the same international blood running through it. Need only look at Rugby League in England to see a middle sport in a country die into complete irrelevance because it's dominant country didn't care about international competition.

[@ShivSocratesKapoor]

Interesting watching these gents cope with the dystopia that is the Marvelization of cricket..

[@akshit318]

Every board is like a mafia... who flaunts their power because they have sole rights to choose who represents the country... this puts power back in player's hand... if you want them to play for county party them accordingly... cricket players are most unset payed talents and still are...

[@saikrishna8211]

I've been watching cricket since a very long time and I am a hardcore fan of test cricket. Off late, I am not very sure that I am not watching predetermined stuff like WWF in cricket. It just doesn't feel like old times...I love it when a swing bowlers comes and swings the ball and the batsman defends beautifully, times beautifully, or when the ball beats the bat. That is poetry! The problem is test cricket takes too much time today. So, I think maybe they have to change the ball to something that gives enough to the bowler straight away like a tape ball. And try to provide the equivalent of test cricket in T20. Otherwise, I don't see how there is place for Akrams and Anderson's and Dravids in this form of cricket. You see there is no place for timing and class based players with a slight bias towards playing slow in T20. Test cricket was about your skill and also character. T20 doesn't have it. There has to be a format where character is appreciated and that cannot take 5 days - there is no time now!

[@mammenmatthew939]

IPL has been good that it created a level field and found a retort to the snobbishness of some in special boxes ' lording' the game

[@tbcstratus343]

Cricket should follow football and try to implement the football leagues system. ICC should fix 4-6 months for all the leagues to be played and then the rest of the year for international cricket. And there should be a tournament in cricket like the champions league

[@sanhere4711]

Champions league was a thing before it will be very interesting if it is brought back. There are talks that champions league will be back.

[@RR_theproahole]

​@@sanhere4711 it was called off because same players played in different leagues and for champions league, they chose the IPL franchise over a non IPL team, that's why champions league is gone and I don't think that having a champions league in cricket makes any sense unless we have atleast 4-5 leagues at the same level with IPL which I don't see happening in near future.

[@sanhere4711]

@@RR_theproahole yes, Ipl has more quality players that other leagues but i am sure bbl,cpl,psl,sa20 league teams can put up a fight! And when it comes to same players playing in different team, some one should come up with a solution.

[@beyondbollywoodplus]

Would love these gentleman to talk about EPl in same breath.

[@arthurritchie5891]

a simiar thing is happening in new zealand with regards to rugby. Each club (both provincial and super rugby) all act as singular entities and it is strangling the game

[@anonymous-bs1xb]

It’s even worse, 12.5 percent of All Blacks governing entity is sold. It’s like selling Black Caps commercial wing.