Enhancement Shaman ENTIRE BCC BIS (Phase 1-5)

[@Holderhek]

New SIM updated in video decription. Use it to find YOUR BIS!

[@facehugger8995]

because we can dw the blacksmithing weps now would you consider them for 2nd bis if you can't get syphons?

[@Holderhek]

@@facehugger8995 if you're an orc they aren't

[@facehugger8995]

@@Holderhek not even the 1h axes?

[@Holderhek]

@@facehugger8995 I would just use the Sim at that point and see what comes out better for you

[@Antonbrehbrahbruh]

You gonna play wrath? I need good enhance guides from you lol

[@E-mol]

Perfect timing! My guild just asked about what we want for t5 so we can send our bis lists! This saves so much time, thank you

[@idnyy]

Thanks for this! I phase 1 was probably the most confusing for me, I'm glad the next few phases seem a lot simpler to follow.

[@gerrieherwijnen1088]

Like always 💯🔥🔥

[@goonbosstv5349]

Got my Totem of the Astral Winds on my 53rd Pandemonius kill.

[@Holderhek]

You know what they say

[@Holderhek]

53rd time is the charm

[@codydawson1992]

Took me 48 so I feel your pain, homie

[@joeykhoury7491]

F

[@lilpanodil9158]

it dropped on my 2nd try and first try it was HR :D

[@spencerhamilton8660]

There is the phylactery of kel'thusad trinket from naxx 150ap against undead and demons, though I am not sure if there are that many demon/undead bosses in tbc or its drop rate.

[@Holderhek]

There are a massive amount of demons in TBC but other trinkets just sim/perform better than 150 flat ap (that isn't even real AP it only gets applied to your physical attacks not your spells)

[@Saurucow]

Very good list. Nicely done.

[@Skyprey]

I fucking love you man 😊 hope to se more tbc videos from you 😊

[@CarNNNN]

Good list. I went with LW and got ebon netherscale its set me up til Phase 5 honestly. The items like SKulkers and the ring are all Prior hunters in guild i like mysetup currently just need a few items but with phase 2 coming out i cannot wait to see netherbane weps

[@Holderhek]

I can't wait for my synthwave axes

[@punchy8139]

Boots of Utter Darkness in P2 are Leatherworking, might need an edit when you release the ICON bis list

[@Holderhek]

Good catch ty sky

[@graceybfrg]

@@Holderhek So is Swiftstrike for the shoulders in p3

[@Holderhek]

@@graceybfrg thanks Emil I'll edit the list

[@tylerm6080]

ever get the update on bis alternatives to swiftstrike shoulders?

[@dwarfminerwillie]

It would be nice to have a "alternative" bis list, currently in phase 2 as a shaman i'm competing with like 5-9 people for EVERYTHING I want like my t5 pieces, rings, shoulders of the stranger + belt of 100 deaths including some tanks who will for sure get prio over me, the only thing I'm guaranteed is my mace from kael once we actually down him, another thing is trinkets, I got my brooch and a brewfest mug and some people (including the shaman discord) are already saying thats either bis or better than tsunami and not to bother with dst at all. Id like to see alternative lists for upcoming phases, I know for sure that cursed vision will be needed by EVERY dps and hunter in my guild.

[@Holderhek]

This is actually a pretty good idea I'll see what I can do

[@dwarfminerwillie]

@@Holderhek I'm actually curious about your choice of tsunami and dst, yes it is bull to have both in the first place but the weird thing is based on the shaman discords sim having both actually lowers my dps compared to having bloodlust brooch and mug, having the dst is better but tsunami barely sims higher at all for me. Also why talon over dragonmaw? I've been told its better than talon but I can understand if you didn't want to recommend them because of their expensive crafting price, personally I made it because decapitator was NOT dropping for me at all and now I can pass the talon onto the needy hunters in my raid. Also...it would be nice if you mention us blue boys over in alliance here :(

[@huntertutin4177]

Whats the reasoning behind orc wanting madness over tauren / troll?

[@larssteffen5873]

Can you still do like next phases BiS and their sidegrades in Future ? Your content is wholesome yet infrequent :(

[@Holderhek]

I can do sidegrades sure

[@ace052330]

Just curious in p3/p4 why do orcs use Madness trinket over DST and Trolls and Tauren do not. What makes madness worth using on Orc over DST but not the other Races? Is it the AP/SP racial?

[@timgillespie8345]

not using the exerptiese neck?

[@fabianmetzger3152]

great video as always. will use dragonstrike over fist weapon though as troll for even more haste. isnt darkmoon card: crusade bis for enh in phase 2?

[@Holderhek]

It's good but it's not bis. It might even be severely overated but more testing needs to happen.

[@fabianmetzger3152]

@@Holderhek thanks for the guick reply! good to know and wont be spending big gold on the deck then

[@CocytusFrost]

would u take executioner on mainhand with the sunwell set or is it just preference?

[@Holderhek]

you use exe mainhand until you hit Apen cap

[@TBarnz48]

Question.. full phase 4 bis enh shaman here with orc racial of course. I just received shard of contempt, should I pair it with dst or beserkers call for the time being? Thanks.

[@Holderhek]

Shard is BIS. Sorry for the late reply. Check out the SIM video for any gearing needs as well.

[@simmot5213]

IN PHASE 5 WE ARE KINGS

[@adrianhartnor6019]

Ty for the guide! Leveling my orc shaman right now aswell as blacksmithing. Should I go dragonstrike mace or are people even using it? for phase 2 or 3 or sometime ever?

[@Holderhek]

It's a really good mace but you're about halfway through its longevity cycle as of P2.

[@adrianhartnor6019]

@@Holderhek Ty for reply! I guess just stormherald pvp then... Works aswell haha

[@Nelvar]

@holderhek Which WF Totem Weakaura (For Twisting) are you useing?

[@Holderhek]

I use a combo of a couple. Msg me next game stream and I'll link em for you

[@Vrory77]

I'm not sure if P-5 Gear is really min-max all the way. most bosses have 6200 o. 7700 Armor. This means with IEA Rogue a 6200 boss has still 1.715 Armor left. with only 1344 Amor-Pen we have a damage reduction by around 3.4%. With Coif of Alleria and Mantle of the Golden Forest We will lose 2% hit and 2% haste , but gain 1.2% hit, 14 AP, 231 more Amor-Pen. This means that the damage reduction is around 1.3% this means we gain a 2.1 % damage increase. How important are 2% Hit and 2% haste to a flat 2.1 % damage increase by Amor-Pen? And how is it going to look like if I face a 7700 Boss? Amor-Pen has way better value compared to a 6200 boss.

[@tylerm6080]

so did he ever release a revamped list without the leatherworking items?

[@Holderhek]

wowsims.github.io/tbc/enhancement_shaman/

[@maggic1989]

🔥

[@BrbFistPumps]

How do the blacksmithing maces stack up into phase 3/4 and P5 when they are possible one handers instead of main hand?

[@Holderhek]

They don't become 1 hand until sunwell afaik and by then you really wouldn't be using them. MAYBE the mace as an offhand for haste but that's it.

[@Proranis]

One question..... When do you replace 4 piece t5 bonus in t6.... If u have 1 of the new bis pieces, 2, 3 or only when you have replacement for all 4?

[@Holderhek]

You can use the sim posted in the discord to answer that but my feelcraft says 2-3+

[@Proranis]

@@Holderhek i take your feelcraft answer, thank you!

[@moodyblue2307]

Question about armor pen. Due to the diminishing return, where more armor pen = more effective. If a raid cannot utilize all armor pen methods, will our SW bis change? Like towards haste more?

[@Holderhek]

This gearset is simmed utilizing optional raid buffs, if your raid isn't running IEA for max armor reduction you might see a boost towards haste but it would need to be tested.

[@Vechking]

Why do taurens still use DST in phase 3&4 but orcs don't?

[@Holderhek]

It was an issue of scaling. I'm going to be updating the 70 upgrade lists. We have a final Sim that changes a couple items from this list which is a few months old. That will be updated today.

[@Vechking]

@@Holderhek your a legend mate, nice one!

[@LanolinTV]

phase 3 time baby

[@apblolol]

Did he say a whole 3 dps?

[@Holderhek]

the difference between blacksmithing and raid drop weapons is very small. the main benefit is the haste proc from the hammer and the fact that you'll only "need" 1 weapon. I also said that because it's funny.

[@oOYeTTiOo]

hey Holder is there a prior list for next phase that you know of ?

[@Holderhek]

I'll post my prio list

[@oOYeTTiOo]

@@Holderhek awesome man MVP 🙏

[@Antonerminhund]

What about if u got the Blacksmithing weapons? How far in are we using thoose? If not all the way.

[@Holderhek]

This phase is the pinnacle of their usefulness

[@Antonerminhund]

@@Holderhek rip

[@GTFOIMAO]

138 to 0 likes. Amazing and quick video!

[@Holderhek]

I'm actually surprised. Usually somebody instantly dislikes my video within the first 30 seconds of me posting it every single time. I guess after 2 years he finally got bored.

[@MetaGMAN]

Which software/site are you using for running your simms?

[@Holderhek]

We made our own sim in the chadhance discord. It's linked in the info of this video.

[@arten1339]

I thought I remember hearing you say expertise is one of the main stats we should be looking for and that the shattrath leggings and kara trash drops were Bis in previous videos? Have I been gearing my shaman wrong lol?

[@Holderhek]

Expertise is very strong and it's still a great stat but it's statweight is too high for gear in t4. We have updated values for items on 70 upgrades so it will give you a better idea of how to compare equivalency points.

[@larssteffen5873]

Has the same issue before. Hearing about holder dropping BS already gave me a Heart attack guess I won’t finish dragonstrike at all or use it as a placeholder wtf :)

[@ANTERIORcs]

@@larssteffen5873 BS is still very good. Multiple top parsing shamans are using dragonmaw right now, and will continue to use dragonstrike + rod of the sun king in P2. P3 and onwards is where it falls off, potentially with a later phase reviving it due to being able DW them (not sure when that is though, probably very late).

[@ivanvicario3091]

Thanks, I had the same question. Wondering why the expertise gear from previous BiS list dropped out. All good, I made the rogues in my guild happy by passing on skulkers and liar’s, and I’m still very happy with the expertise pieces

[@flaresplitz]

Great quality video, now if you can do one for Shadow Priest I'd appreciate it thanks!

[@Holderhek]

That's way above my pay grade usi

[@WickedJawa]

Hey my dude! What happen to your pre-raid bis. It’s just gone. :( did you remove it?

[@Holderhek]

had to remove that video due to inaccuracies

[@CocytusFrost]

why deadly cuffs if lightning reflexes EP is better?

[@Holderhek]

I had this stuff listed as no profession bis so if you have leather working obviously take those.

[@Adam_M_F]

Love the vids my man. Question tho, are we just not concerned about expertise no more??

[@Holderhek]

We are and it's a good stat. It's all weighed on EP and distributed that way. It's the reason why orcs still use axes in p2 for example.

[@Adam_M_F]

@@Holderhek Gotcha. Just got Grips of Deftness on my shaman. Will put them to good use 👍🏼

[@juanjodelrio1923]

I have a doubt. what about expertise? dont I need it in phase 1 and 2? thank you

[@Holderhek]

It's not that you don't need it it's just that all the other stats outweigh it in these phases. It's just another stat it's not the best stat in the game like everybody thought it was.

[@juanjodelrio1923]

@@Holderhek and another doubt i forgot to ask. It is necesary two weapon with same speed? or can you use two weapons with 2,70/2,60 speed? thank you

[@Holderhek]

@@juanjodelrio1923 technically speaking if you master the sync and stagger macro that is actual best in slot for a while. It is unfortunately a massive pain to use the macro that much. If you're unsure of what I'm talking about one of the last few videos I produced goes over this macro.

[@shoopah92]

Does enhancement not want the t6 bonuses at all?

[@Holderhek]

Nope we don't

[@Thargwin]

i rly wonder what talents he is running now is enhance/elemental better or resto i feel like resto subsepc is better

[@Holderhek]

Ele subspec does more damage in any scenario where you are close to bis gear with adequately fast kill times.

[@Thargwin]

@@Holderhek tyvm rly love your vids man would love to see a short video discussing the talent builds and their pro/cons also do you cut 1 point out of imp wf totem or?

[@Holderhek]

@@Thargwin I might be able to do that. As for imp wf totem it's almost completely useless. Never take it.

[@Thargwin]

@@Holderhek ty so much man i am wandering about the phase 5 for a bit i would think having 4 set T6 would be nice for the stormstrike set bonus or is 70 ap still less than the total stats from a other piece ?

[@Holderhek]

@@Thargwin yeah the set bonus isn't worth it compared to the armor pen and various other stats on off pieces.

[@Rave.-]

That p5 list is some pretty good comedy. "Every enhancement shaman will be wearing the exact same gear" should have added: "...specifically after all your fury warriors and rogues. So like, final week of sunwell."

[@Holderhek]

Sure thing champ

[@Drewcif3r]

Cope more kekw

[@johnicantthinkofarealsound4263]

"...specifically after all your fury warriors and rogues. So like, final week of sunwell." rogues? what rogues? arnt they all crying in the corner about fury wars getting glaive prio?

[@Rave.-]

@@johnicantthinkofarealsound4263 the bad ones, probably lol

[@oOYeTTiOo]

what professions do you recommend ?

[@Holderhek]

I have letherworking and engineering

[@oOYeTTiOo]

@@Holderhek thanks for info

[@Holderhek]

@@oOYeTTiOo those aren't necessarily the absolute best for min-maxing but that is what I currently use.

[@oOYeTTiOo]

@@Holderhek I was thinking LW and BS for the axe you can make

[@Holderhek]

@@oOYeTTiOo not really worth it from a cost perspective but if you have the gold to burn it is bis.

[@0rthodontist]

I miss the 6 hour phase specific video honestly

[@Holderhek]

I miss having the time to make those kind of videos

[@blalink6458]

should go with tier 4 gloves instead of helm cus its garbo and use wastewalker helm instead, then go with either wastewalker and tier 4 on chest/shoulders for both set bonuses.

[@Holderhek]

The sim does not really agree with you about the gloves since they are the second worst piece. Wastewalker is good tho.

[@yennimaldo8194]

executioner for enh shaman is bad?

[@Holderhek]

We never use executioner

[@yennimaldo8194]

@@Holderhek thx you

[@xcool182skaterx]

Phase 5 shammy digivolves into rogue.

[@Holderhek]

sadly yeah that’s when the itemization starts to really go away.

[@33rdGeneralMitios]

Yeeeeessss!

[@Raumes513]

So I’m going to boost a shaman soon cuz I’m bored and want to play classic tbh for once, anyone know if the enhancement boosted gear has decent hit rating? Lmao

[@Holderhek]

The enhancement boosted gear is absolutely terrible and is equivalent to like level 40 greens.

[@Raumes513]

@@Holderhek xD I figured as much, let's say I boost it (I'm very casual) what would you recommend (aside from obviously hitting level cap) me doing? Sorry lmao

[@Holderhek]

@@Raumes513 I mean you'll pick up pretty decent gear in karazhan once you get to level cap. If that's too big of a commitment, get up your reputation with the factions and you can get a full set of gear from a vendor in the middle of shatt.

[@Raumes513]

@@Holderhek thank you so much for making time to reply, I really appreciate it bro keep it up!

[@robertmorgan5669]

Pretty sure you got your phase 3 trinkets wrong, Its troll that doesnt use Dst. Has to do with beserking apprently.

[@Holderhek]

I mentioned in the video that trolls get more benefit out of on use trinkets.

[@robertmorgan5669]

@@Holderhek Exactly, It should be orc, tauren, draenei use DST and Madnes, While trolls use Beserkers call and madness, Not much of a big deal tho honestly because the difference between the 3 is very minor

[@Vechking]

I thought armor pen wasn't great for enhancement?

[@Holderhek]

Armor pen is fantastic for us.

[@Vechking]

@@Holderhek ok great news I thought it wasn't as good for enh cos some of our dmg was spell dmg

[@Holderhek]

@@Vechking almost none of our damage is spell damage. That comes later with wrath.

[@Vechking]

@@Holderhek so you were saying that in sunwell enh dmg is god mode ?

[@Holderhek]

@@Vechking yes sunwell is the time for melee

[@ExcessiveCensorship]

I miss Chad bearded Hodler Totek

[@Holderhek]

I'm growing it back

[@jeffreywilliams3421]

Bloodlust Brooch/DST sims higher than Tsunami/DST, in fact double bloodlust brooch (Bloodlust Brooch/Empty Mug of Direbrew) sims higher than it as well. Tsunami Talisman should go to other classes.

[@Holderhek]

Yes this is something we found out a few months after I made this video. Tsunami talisman is garbage for us.

[@beersmurff]

@@Holderhek How about the DFT from BWL. So far it seems to sim higher then Brooch for me

[@Holderhek]

@@beersmurff the only way I could see DFT higher is if you have no hit on your gear whatsoever. DFT is also kind of a Sim trap it's not as good as it appears to be.

[@beersmurff]

@@Holderhek oki, thank you for the reply :-)

[@fallenn420ttv]

You really think madness still? My guilds on the fence so no shaman has gotten one just the wars and hunter

[@Holderhek]

madness is good but zerkers call is likely better in a lot of sets

[@Holderhek]

wowsims.github.io/tbc/enhancement_shaman/

[@itsButeii]

Your Phase 2 T5 bis list is just wrong. The 5% extra haste on flurry is not worth all the stats you lose from having the 4piece over the off pieces you can get

[@Holderhek]

The T5 bis list was calculated using an indepth sim sheet at average boss kill times and optimal raid buffs/debuffs. Under those circumstances this gear is the best you can do and only when you drastically change the kill parameters would you change this gear

[@itsButeii]

@@Holderhek Might be, coming from private servers where fights are longer i know for a fact 4p isnt worth, with shorter kill times it might be different

[@Holderhek]

@@itsButeii there are quite a few differences on bosses in BCC vs private servers. Ability damage and armor being two major ones.

[@itsButeii]

@@Holderhek True, its why melee is doing more damage than what private server players were expecting already in T4, however I still doubt 4p is better than off pieces. We will see tho when phase 2 drops and parses starts to come in

[@rofllawlful]

Holder can't make 45 min videos... he's far to busy with the deliciousness.

[@schmidth]

shapeshifters signet > violet signet I think

[@Holderhek]

Nah doesn't have enough other DPS stats

[@schmidth]

@@Holderhek But why go for hit rating when all the other gear already has way too much

[@Holderhek]

@@schmidth because it has a ton of attack power as well and hit is still useful.

[@schmidth]

@@Holderhek web.archive.org/web/20081013144422/elitistjerks.com/f47/t20765-shaman_enhancement/#Itemizing_an_Enhancement_Shaman Idk if this is still correct, but according to those stat weights Shapeshifters is better. 108 EP vs 90. I'd also much rather use Garona's signet over assassin.

[@Holderhek]

It's not correct. A lot of people are still going off of old private server values which don't translate to this game.

[@larssteffen5873]

Uh I’m 13 minutes late 😂

[@jotunhammer]

holder the sound man more volume .

[@Holderhek]

I'll scream next time

[@jotunhammer]

@@Holderhek awesome :)

[@mrmakagar5992]

First

[@Kvothe1994]

Sets look like absolute dogshit, especially leather armor + not matching weapons. Wotlk ICC was the best time looks-wise.

[@DrewOn22FPS]

TBC*

[@Holderhek]

Iono the sunwell gear looks pretty sick to me