Envy | ContraPoints

[@ContraPoints]

🧿👄🧿

[@Titanicsubmarine]

Envy - Nicki Minaj Also YESSS for Peppermint the drag queen and her voiceovers

[@Vivivofi]

envy me harder, father

[@space0ctopus647]

COOOOOOOOOOOM

[@cdet3666]

its over. its done.

[@Putri-iu4bc]

YESS now get some sleep please queen

[@annbeez]

"Squidwardian" will be your most enduring contribution to the field of philosophy.

[@dougthedonkey1805]

No, “mouthfeel” is definitely going to outlive “squidwardian”

[@uzulim9234]

I kinda genuinely wish it sticks

[@TropeHatComics]

@@dougthedonkey1805 you rang?

[@noorai.6766]

Yes, I really want to use the term in a cohesive sentence in an everyday conversation ✨

[@JS-lr7dc]

@@dougthedonkey1805 We have an iconic adjective and an iconic abstract noun. Let the discourse begin on the “Squidwardian Mouthfeel” of Leftist Twitter.

[@RevolutionUtena]

I’m a psychologist and my one of grad professors used to say “Freud was a great observer of human behavior and a terrible explainer of human behavior.”

[@thulyblu5486]

Sigmund Freud was a biological cocaine storage facility

[@Susu-sp7vu]

Funny. My professors thought me that Freud was a great distributor of cocain and a good example of how not to do science. ^^

[@susugam3004]

@@Susu-sp7vu your professors were also puppets being paid to parrot the establishment narrative :)

[@ochahap]

didn't we learn way more about the human psyche because people wanted to prove him wrong?

[@susugam3004]

@@ochahap he practically founded the field

[@mathis3440]

I have heard men say “help I’m being devoured” during sex, but to be fair I am a giant praying mantis who learned how to type

[@johnnyguillotine1673]

Circle of life is beautiful

[@caffelino9687]

yes i've also seen it in furry vore art

[@johnjjohningtoniii2439]

I got to admit it's not great, but I didn't die alone as was predicted.

[@XianHaos]

I'm a cluster of hive-minded spiders in a human skinsuit and same.

[@octomar1815]

Homestuck

[@Madcapredcap]

Contrapoints is so smart. I’ll never be like her. *sigh* Wait. OH NO.

[@dancincoolkid]

Haha I see what you did there 😏

[@MoonShadowWolfe]

OH DANG. I once heard a helpful piece of advice about envying someone's ability (or, since we don't begrudge Natalie her skills, jealousy) means we must bitterly wish to have spent all the time training she's spent. We must be aching to have gotten as much practice as she has. And that's true, but then, it isn't about her. I'm aching to have done work instead of play video games.

[@Madcapredcap]

@@MoonShadowWolfe What! Video games are where it's at!

[@Spac3zy_Pr0t0g3n]

AAAAHHHH 🧿🧿🧿🧿

[@triplegamerxxd8607]

How about instead contrapoints is so smart. I’ll never be like her 😁. Think on that one

[@LindsayEllisVids]

if you start appropriating Hunchback memes I'm suing

[@jonahknittel7027]

IM LOSIN TO A BIRD

[@jennyrodriguez811]

Just start saying *heyhowareyou*.

[@totallynotalpharius2283]

How many more people need to suffer in this war !??!

[@maestro3947-b9g]

Are you two fighting for who made the longest video???

[@m1lk0meda]

CONTRAPOINTS IS A MENACE

[@BussyQueen]

The deep analysis of Spongebob through the lens of envy was not something I knew that I needed but definitely something I thoroughly enjoyed in this piece.

[@GayBennyyy]

You NEED to dress up as sandy in one of your videos it'd be soooo iconic

[@Zarsla]

Like 1999-2003, like Nat it's still on air.

[@mikkykyluc5804]

Analyzing Spongebob that deeply is pretty Zizekian. Loved it!

[@sethrussell6393]

Watch EmpLemon's SpongeBob video. He makes similar points, but in a bit of a different way.

[@Optilucas]

At around 53:00 What if I think im superior than the spongebobs?

[@Hyram]

Mother has acknowledged my existence. The feud has been resolved. I can die happy.

[@bibliophilecb]

#feud 💀

[@mglps6316]

Lmao

[@maybehere_]

omg did not expect you here tf

[@lovelywii]

Wattup white savior man, how's changing the world going ?

[@j.j.714]

@@lovelywii lmaoo

[@leitmotif7268]

“Human nature is a toxic person”, love that line and the way Natalie empathetically and graciously responds to the comment.

[@Simone_Subtle_Salt]

In Hmong culture it is bad manners to tell someone their baby is cute, because if you do they believe a witch will overhear you and try to steal the baby. So it's customary to tell people they have ugly babies. Never thought about it before, but there sounds like a deep cultural understanding of envy.

[@asliuf]

woah, fascinating! thank you for sharing this

[@sweetdaydreamer8868]

In the Balkans it's common, especially for older women, to tell babies something like " aww, look how ugly you are " as not to curse/hex them.

[@thomaswilson9925]

Same in India

[@gargamellenoir8460]

So can I do that in western culture and say it's to protect them from the evil eye? I just don't think human babies look that good...

[@malum9478]

oops. we had/have a lot of hmong people in the city i grew up in up in michigan, and a family we were friends with had a little girl i said was cute all the time. ... oh well i'm sure she's probably fine.

[@moretyquira]

Rather than believing that she's on a set or in her house, I choose to believe that Natalie has actually discovered the way to bring us into her subconscious

[@ps-ny7rl]

wouldn’t be surprised if it was her house! Baltimore has a lot of beautifully preserved architecture

[@indigothecat]

Are we more than our thoughts?

[@finngswan3732]

Or the house is magical and is constantly shifting. She's either manipulating it or just going with the flow to spite the house, lol.

[@ewwpoorpeople5684]

I just assumed she had like some Coraline style hidden section of her house.

[@JohnTheMod1]

She’s a Time Lord and her house is a TARDIS, bigger on the inside and full of infinite rooms.

[@hbomberguy]

Jealous of how short you managed to make this

[@Tome281]

I was thinking of your Pathologic video when reading her tweets complaining that the video is 2 hours long.

[@echoticz9225]

it’s ok, give us the long videos

Ojalá mis vídeos fueran tan largos y buenos como los vuestros, pura envidia

[@BrownDieselWagon]

WHERE'S MY RWBY PART 2 VIDEO? HMMMM HAROLD?

[@Enbyvalent]

I have watched your Pathologic video at least 4 times. If brevity is the soul of wit, I say witlessness is underrated

[@stormhunter2627]

i know all of Natalie's videos are this well-researched and well-presented, but something about this one feels like the quintessential moment. the effort put in, the research, the jokes, the outfits, the sets, etc etc. love it! always come back to this one

[@Eruptflail]

It's her best video by an extraordinary margin. I've watched it a million times.

[@elegitopia6124]

Truly. I always come back to this one as well. The way I make sense of it, Envy is like the grand season finale. It contains and connects years-worth of themes that were previously explored in JKR, Cringe, Justice, Shame, Canceling, Opulence, Incels, etc. ... carried out with 7 different configurations of outfits, sets, and lighting; with a runtime of 90+ minutes. It's literally years in the making. Can't wait for the next "grand season finale" type of video 🤩🤩🤩

[@IdFightMyDad]

It’s possibly her most simplistic and superficial essay. She’s outed herself as a liberal. I don’t think she can speak on the motivations of the left because she isn’t on the left.

[@philosofree]

for my money, it's the best video essay on this whole dang website. natalie is queen, and this is her magnum opus. (so far.)

[@MichaelSmith-rn6pq]

⁠@@IdFightMyDad that’s a little ridiculous though - we can understand the motivations of a group without actively being a member of said group.

[@mirandabluff836]

God it was so validating to hear someone articulate the parallel between Squidward/SpongeBob and Salieri/Mozart. I think in these episodes SpongeBob is never really “who we were as children”-not a genuine picture of childhood-but a resentful adult’s warped vision of childhood. Happy, smiling, creative, perfect on accident; destroys your toys, never gets in trouble, YOU get in trouble; God’s favorite; mom’s favorite. And Squidward needs him desperately. In that episode where he moves to that all-squid ethnostate, life becomes unbearable and he starts playing like SpongeBob; he BECOMES the local SpongeBob! Why? Because “being annoyed by SpongeBob” is the cornerstone of Squidward’s identity. If SpongeBob did not exist, Squidward would have to invent him…

[@ceruchi2084]

Brilliant

[@SteveAcomb]

“all-squid ethnostate” My sides 💀💀💀

[@rosieosho]

All squid ethnostate is outstanding well done

[@JakubWaniek]

I envy your insight...

[@klisterklister2367]

having never watched a whole spongebob episode this is the kind of analysis that makes me want to watch it

[@he_was_number_one]

The year is 2036. Originally announced in 2025, the new Contrapoints video has just dropped. It is over 54 hours long and has 62 costume changes with 41 distinct catgirl outfits. The topic is Lust, and all major video sharing sites refuse to host it out of obscenity concerns. It will go on to win an EGOT.

[@shinsenrock]

I want this future for myself.

[@beeswillinherittheearth5084]

You were number one!

[@fishy658]

please i need this future

[@Sinstarclair]

Who are you and why are you so on point

[@adamsmith7616]

update, it got moved to 2058

[@BammLaura]

This video made me realize that every time I say “it’s not worth doing anyway” I’m really envious of how easily some people seem to go to parties, dating, education, intimacy, having fun etc. and realizing that, kind of gave me my power back to actually go and work on my mental illness and practice self care, instead of projecting on to everyone else. I can change how I look at things. It was a relief ❤️

[@sohailahmads]

It’s not your mental health. Just eat right and lift weights. Delete your insta too. Going to therapy and popping pills wouldn’t help. I mean look at the opioid crisis. Go to church on weekends instead. God is watching all of us. May god show you the light and help you feel better.

[@shayneoneill1506]

I kind of have this weird envy of my younger self for this. In my 20s I was literally going to two to three parties a week, sometimes that many in a night. Now, shit, I go to the pub with the same three guys I was going to the pub with in my 20s, 20 years ago, but its just us, drinking moderately and discussing what resturant we go to. And while that itself is pretty great, I miss the social butterfly life, but honestly, I just am not capable of partying 3-4 nights a week whilst still holding down a job and having responsibilities and shit. I mean, there was a lot that sucked about my 20s, romantic fuckups hurt a lot more (in your 40s dating failures have a tendency to be kind of "Well ok that didn't work, hey lets catch up for a beer sometime?" ) and all the bad substances flying around in the 90s didn't make for a stable life. But still... I envy my younger self.

[@holliebrokaw3716]

@@sohailahmads they say they have a mental illness and ya'll come in like nah it's just Instagram Lol wtf lol

[@SgtNicholasAngle]

@@shayneoneill1506 is one party a week an option?

[@scornonthecob5375]

@@sohailahmads LMFAOOOO not the gym bro thinking mental illness isn’t real- I hate to tell you this but...

[@electric_whelk1653]

"Also, nothing is less attractive than an envious, resentful, self-pitying person. It's beyond a personality flaw, it's a personality deformity that can ruin whatever chance at happiness you have. So in the short time that you're alive, you have to discover that which is noble in yourself and say yes to it." Sincerely, apolitically, thank you for that Natalie. It was some tough love I needed at an important point in my life.

[@kenku6440]

I just revisited this video and I'm in the same position. I see myself in this picture and I don't like it. I don't know what even I am supposed to say yes to, but I also needed to hear that. I guess I'll keep an unenvious eye out.

[@chief8559]

Personality also has a great genetic component.

[@tropicmix8765]

Time stamp?

[@esssttt]

Fun fact: I never was allowed to watch Spongebob because it was dumb and bad taste according to my mother. I was however allowed to watch Italian films about drug abuse and incest at thirteen, back when Pokemon was still “too violent”. In my last therapy session I observed how most of our sessions consisted of getting rid of the bitter, envious lense through which my mother tought me to see. It was the squidwardian gaze all along..

[@katherinalastname7077]

i'm very sorry to say but that's a beautiful way to use the term 'squidwardian'

[@esssttt]

@@katherinalastname7077 one’s gotta name and face the internalized squidwardian maternal gaze when one sees it. How is She though?

[@bloomingteratoma]

holy shit same my mom HATED spongebob and courage the cowardly dog. she did find pokemon cute but i hated it cause i didn't like the art style lmao

[@TheKingsPride]

If your mom is anything like my dad was, she probably found it really, really annoying

[@ernestoagapitogarcesconyad1710]

my mom also didn't let me watch spongebob because it would "make me stupid". jokes on you mom i'm stupid anyways

[@paulinedavis8372]

For a lot of Africans, it's common for the family to emigrate to America without telling the kids until you leave because the kids might tell someone outside of the family and other people might curse your trip out of envy.

[@vampyrphile8458]

so true. never tell people what you have has always been a message from childhood. i always thought it was so that other kids won't be your friend for what you have, rather than other families being envious.

[@sadhusq]

When you say "a lot of Africans", do you probably know specifically which countries exactly in Africa are we talking about?

[@paulinedavis8372]

@@sadhusq I'm Kenyan and it's common for us. I've heard Somalians and Nigerians say this too

[@kaspiansea3997]

As a middle eastern I must add that our parents actually did not allow us to say goodbye to relatives until we were in the other country.seemed funny to us at the time.

[@mitchh3092]

I just literally cannot understand the magical thinking that fuels that sort of behavior.

[@MadisynBrown]

every time you upload it feels like a national holiday

[@nateclipps]

Lmao wait- all of my fav youtubers are here.. love your content girlie!!

[@gingeralex4009]

Let's go bois!

[@boxofspoons8867]

Right? I have a whole meal and bath prepared as I binge every new ContraPoints video

[@mbsucks101]

IFKRRRRR

[@ALBUMOF2008]

Because she uploads so sparsely?

[@highclass_lady]

Envy destroyed a lot of my friendships. As a foster kid, then an emancipated minor, I envied my friends because they had non-abusive families who loved them & that's all I ever wanted. Christmases I ran away to avoid the pain of seeing the kindness of families who loved eachother. My friends envied me for those trips. A best friend said she didn't care what I'd been through -it didn't matter because I got to experience things she never had/weren't likely for her. Friends built up their perception of what my life was like & chose not to see my pain. I feel so validated by this video, thank you Natalie 💜

[@sinan.1946]

this is a tale of the lives of most of us. being taught to hide our pains behind an over-joyful social media representation of our lives is only making it worse

[@jamesparkerjohn]

@@sinan.1946 being a foster kid is not the tale of the lives of most of us though, because not everyone was a foster kid. In good faith I think I can see what you were trying to express, but, to clarify, approiating this person's suffering by conflaiting it with more typical pain people all share in is inconsiderate at best, but much worse can be erasing or dismissive of their experience as a foster child (which brings a lot more implications to the table).

[@sinan.1946]

​@@jamesparkerjohn this is the part that I could relate to, and maybe most of the others too: "A best friend said she didn't care what I'd been through -it didn't matter because I got to experience things she never had/weren't likely for her. Friends built up their perception of what my life was like & chose not to see my pain." I didn't mean any of the above that you wrote. if you say my comment implies all that, well maybe that's because English is my 3rd language and I can't choose appropriate words in delicate matters.

[@jamesparkerjohn]

@@sinan.1946 thank you for clarifying what part you were talking about, it was an important distinction to make that wasn't clear before & that completely changes the meaning of what you were saying. while not everyone can claim the experiences of having been a foster kid, yes, parts of this person's quote express phenomenons that can relate to a lot of different people

[@lil_weasel219]

I am not a foster kid but i was emotionally abused since toddlerhood, and still today i get an extreme emotional reaction to other people being affectionate to their families. I start to cry, become really red and hot, feel this despair and want to kms on the spot. Its like...a cPTSD flashback thing. Pretty much.

[@mackenziegoodwin459]

In Vietnamese culture, there's no language for "oldest child" or "first-born child." The first child born to a family is called "second sister" or "second brother" followed by "third sister/brother" for the second-born and so on. This is to protect the first-born against being subject to evil-eye-like envious evil forces.

[@AlejandroLamKhoa]

Yes, ish, that is a Southern practice, whereas people in the North do refer to first-borns as "and ca" which loosely translates to "great brother" A better example I'd say is the practice of giving children "ugly" names (e.g., dog, penis, etc.) as to protect them against being taken by evil forces. There are cases where some of these children go to change their official names later in life. I know that it is a practice in the South, but not sure if that is also the case in the North. It is also talked about in the novel "On Earth We're Briefly Gorgeous" by Ocean Vuong.

[@ddawg3230]

@@AlejandroLamKhoa We have that in (south india) Telugu culture, to add 'dung' as a prefix in a name to avoid evil eye. Especially if there were any prior miscarriages or early deaths of children. There is also a a practice of placing a black dot on the face of infants/brides/grooms for the same reason.

[@pancake1785]

Woaaaa so that's why. I'm Vietnamese and I didn't know the explanation until now

[@emiliap8790]

Ooh

[@cbearslife4950]

“Cruelty is only pleasurable as long as they can convince themselves it’s something other than cruelty; justice served.” So true.

[@johnjjohningtoniii2439]

r/justiceserved

[@redunkulous9901]

I learned that when you are being subject to ridicule, joining in on your ridicule "takes away the fun" because your pain hightens their pleasure.

[@Nightriser271828]

This connects with something I learned. Sometimes, seemingly decent people can do terrible things or support genocide. And this happens in the name of "the greater good". So I think this is a different, psychological facet of the same thing.

[@lazyperfectionist3978]

​@@redunkulous9901 - IKR? Weaponise your cringe, embrace your dehumanisation in a voidpunk manner, say "jokes on you I'm into that shit" and watch the light die from the eyes of your ridiculers when they realise they lost their punching bag

[@R3dTi3nJ3ans]

Anything less than brutal Violence against a system that has us by the throat can ONLY be cruelty, no matter how many times it calls itself “progress” “reform” “justice”.

[@annieholley1808]

Whenever I hear people complain about “kids these days have it easy” I think about this one quote by John Adams that I saw online. “I must study politics and war, that our sons may have the liberty to study mathematics and philosophy . . . In order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, and architecture.”

[@jumanbar]

If the kids have it easy now, hopefully that's because of something you or your generation did right, so stop complaining and start being happy about it already, it might even be your accomplishment!

[@vaiapatta8313]

I, on the other hand, think of Monty Python's Four Yorkshire Men sketch :P

[@gateauxq4604]

I always remember that I was once a ‘kid these days.’ It’s never about the kids, it’s about who’s yelling that the loudest. People just need to stop-it’s embarassing

[@laurensternhagen8826]

I guess at least it's hard to make a "kids these days have it easy" argument now that we've been through/continue to go through a literal plague (unless they're one of the deniers of said plague).

[@RictusHolloweye]

I usually reply with a quote from Plato or Aristotle complaining about the youth of their time. Resenting the young is time honoured tradition.

[@foxxicat]

Where have you been all this time? How am I only finding this channel now? This is a masterpiece and you’re feeding my mind

[@TheEliseRodgers]

“I try to support smaller creators (like Paris Hilton, who doesn’t have as many followers as I do)” - Natalie, 2021 (This made my month)

[@Vivivofi]

who’s Paris Hilton?

[@wizardsamboltoni]

@@Vivivofi Isn't she that instagram influencer??

[@ms.bunniesarecute2287]

@@Vivivofi Paris thinks Paris is a big deal...

[@English3Muffin]

Natalie, I understand if you don’t read the dirty, filthy comments anymore to save your mental health (when will I ever learn this lesson?), but girl, your videos always floor me with their quality. Everything- concept, delivery, set design, costume design, makeup, props, it is all so completely worth however many hours I’m watching each video. There are so few content creators (of any kind, including movies) that I will happily stfu and sit down for 2 hours. You always have my full, undivided attention, Queen.

[@pnutz_2]

use abby's solution - it's usually a small number of people so shadowbanning is disproportionally effective

[@jean_etcetera]

@@mattleofric1766 Get down of your high horse, my dude.

[@ContraPoints]

I do read some, and tysm!

[@technopoptart]

ngl, i will go back over videos sometimes just to =look= at them. there is a lot of labour and a lot of love put into these. natalie is an artist even above being a scholar(and assuredly she is a scholar)

[@はちみつ-w5h]

dang you got noticed by senpai! and well put!

[@eridisk1826]

Alain de Botton explained the difference between class consciousness/struggle and plain envy quite neatly: "You don't envy the Queen - she's too weird [ie, too far removed from my praxis and lived experience].. But you envy the people at your high school reunion."

[@mykolatalankin7364]

I watched this guy you are talking about. Interesting opinion here, I think we tend to compare ourselves to our classmates rather than to some rich people, because we are coming from familiar circumstances as our classmates are. So if he/she succeeded, why I don't? We learnt the same lessons at school and their parents are the same class mine are! Super rich were always out of our reach anyways, so why would we compare ourselves to something with so different background we didn't live through? Nevertheless, I don't like the channel of de Botton "School of life" where in majority of videos he says something like "everything in life is predicted by your bad childhood" and I felt myself so lost watching it. It felt like a black pill. Though my childhood wasn't even that bad. This guy sounds like pseudo intellectual. English is not my 1st language if anything)

[@vanessap477]

@@mykolatalankin7364 good take. also, school of life has been known to not make any meaningful/intellectual sense so your gut was right about that!

[@mykolatalankin7364]

@@vanessap477 thanks!

[@katfujioka212]

Idk, I'm more envious of the Queen's wealth and power than my high school classmates' relationship issues and burnout from university and jobsearching...

[@elegitopia6124]

@@katfujioka212 really? how come? for me, it's the reverse. I know plausible socioeconomic & political reasons why the monarchy is bad, but I won't feel that dreaded envious feeling looking at Lizzie. Now, with high school classmates, I have little to no reason to be envious; we all face the same shitty economy; yet I'm considering not coming to the reunion just because I think I'm gonna be a bitter betty who's going to ruin it for everybody.

[@barfchugger]

This is your best work yet. I keep coming back to it. Maybe the things you're presenting aren't groundbreaking in your circle, being educated and all, but to someone like me who isn't in education, who only has ideas and free audiobooks, this is amazing insight. Every time I rewatch this, a new piece is added to a bigger puzzle I've cobbled together with what I have.

[@helpyourcattodrive]

Yup, I come from a rough background and my mom was nuts but she meant well so I’m not that educated I am educated but not the way Natalie is and I LOVE it.

[@nellfromhell7192]

Keep at it bb

[@spurgear4]

I feel with you, Grew up a boy on a dirt road and drempt of being an auto body repair tech. Now I'm a woman and a pilot / Mechanic who is trying to fill in the academic void.

[@Bleppity]

@@spurgear4amazing character arc! Want to know what will happen next!

[@tahu251]

Considering she mostly seems to use her house, Natalie's sense for creating sets with such distinct stylings is amazing. Let alone the accompanying costuming that goes with it. Quite aside from the riveting and well researched discussion points, the production value is just top notch.

[@scler8453]

Her creativity is ✨🔥🔥👌❤️❤️

[@jessica.L.edwards]

I tried to give you an award for your comment. I’ve been on Reddit too much. But here anyway. 🏅

[@ryanwilliams9712]

It’s official, Bo Burnham ripped off Contrapoints.

[@marocat4749]

But be a creatives heaven with all the costumes and the use of lightning to make it look sifferent,is amazing. Thats skill. But the amount of things must be a looot. Creative used of course and more good selection over mass. Including toys?! All hail the lobster queen!

[@riotgrrrl8807]

Wait, that's her house?😳 It's so pretty.

[@jordanscott8854]

As a gay opera singer who studied philosophy in college, Contra talking about Wagner and Nietzsche’s beef is the most catered to I’ve ever felt

[@TheYopogo]

I'm not a professional, but I love opera and read a lot of philosophy, and I am a full time gay; and it is actually kind of surreal just how much Contra's work feels like it's aimed personally at me.

[@bernardosantos8020]

@@TheYopogo “full time gay” is the best expression I’ve ever heard. I’m just imagining someone’s Twitter bio right now “He/his • 22 • only gay on Tuesdays”

[@justinlacek1481]

When I was in college, I remember being super uncomfortable when we had to go over Nietzche. I remember our professor spending like 2 whole days lecturing on ressentiment. It must've had an impact on me because now my 2 favorite philosophers are probably Nietzche and Schopenhauer. There's something I find attractive about pessimistic philosophy. It feels real.

[@theamici]

@@bernardosantos8020 roflmao

[@KarlSnarks]

Wait you're a gay opera singer who studied philosophy?? You definitely are the most fitting Contrapoints fan I've come across ;)

[@harrietpotter649]

"She's not even a lesbian, she's Lebanese. Regina got confused." Mind fucking blown

[@n8chz]

I'm so culturally illiterate I thought that originated with "Glee."

[@lordcawdorofmordor2549]

Also Regina's weird thing with Cady reads kinda sapphic so maybe she's projecting

[@van.pec.]

Reminds me of that vine in which the girl says she's a lesbian and the boy replies "I thought you were american"

[@anniesmith6165]

Regina is totally in love with Cady

[@JadeEyeland]

I have seen the movie 30x and never made the connection.

[@quintencabo]

"I wish more people could feel things without rushing to defense them" Yessss

[@JesseColton]

Okay I know it's fun to joke around in the comments but I just want to say, this video feels like SUCH a fantastic combination of ALL the topics you've covered over the past three years. Incels, trans liberation, beauty, justice, aesthetics, opulence, all these concepts are touched upon and woven together to enhance the point you're making about envy. This is really, really beautifully crafted work, thank you for this Natalie ❤️

[@aghadlarhen9397]

Like, when she was just about done talking about Marie Antoinette, my mind briefly recognized that this Envy topic gave me similar vibes to the "Justice- part 1" video and how I really wished we'd get it. *Cue Fan-opening transition to Natalie dressed as a Supreme Court Justice in cat ears* I screamed. I screamed like I was watching the climax of the Infinity Saga. Maybe even moreso.

[@ScorpionViper1001]

@@aghadlarhen9397 I will forgive all of Biden's Centrist clownry if he gives us Supreme Court Justice Nyatalie Wynn.

[@annasin90]

You’re so right! Thanks for pointing this out. Absolutely loved the video.

[@sonicdoor9955]

Yessss!!!

[@xanatax1844]

I feel like, in the last few years we’ve seen such a change in this channel, and in Natalie … each new video is another step along the journey. 🤷‍♀️ idk where where we’re going to end up, but … it’s gotten interesting, for sure! 💜

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Her content is legit the definition of quality over quantity

[@ryounyan]

ratip

[@catsinwonderland7473]

Her videos are hours long though, there's quantity to an extent

[@TurtleChad1]

It's also Turtle Approved 👍

[@dewilew2137]

Nope. Jcs criminal psychology gets that title.

[@heheheeh2781]

Fancy seeing you there

[@Frank-ju8qr]

Honestly, I felt the seemingly abrupt ending was appropriate for the point you were making, saying yes to life felt like suddenly being freed from the doom spiral of envy, not because envy is gone, but accepted for what it is and moved past to doing things that are worthwhile

[@notonfire7318]

"Acknowledging the feeling without endorsing it"

[@italucenaz]

you're wellcome for you're 666th like

[@Frank-ju8qr]

@@italucenaz Epic! Thank you 🌟

[@Gabster1990]

Amen to that. At the end of the day, we are responsible for our own happiness.

[@myrnalalla9876]

As a transmasc who loves your videos, I've started referring to myself as a "biological female" which confuses absolutely everyone around me

[@waytoobiased]

based as hell

[@vaylinraykillian2773]

king behaviour

[@TheMindIlluminated]

Transmasc? Are you just trying to deliberately be as ridiculous as possible by attaching labels to yourself that you think define your entire personality as someone superficially unique?

[@TheMindIlluminated]

@SparkSparkle nah my comment wasn’t deleted, I just edited out a sentence that I felt wasn’t relevant and was inaccurate. So tell me what you want, what you really really want.

[@beckyginger3432]

​@sparksparkleomg please keep spamming transphobia with spice girls lyrics forever its perfect

[@zenhendershott7907]

Not since Plato's heyday has thirst trapping people into philosophy been so viable

[@nicolesong6199]

i am hoping Plato did thirst trap people into philosophy. man was buff.

[@tedculbertson6320]

@@nicolesong6199 Plato wasn't even his real name, it was his wrestling name and meant "broad." It's the equivalent of people 2000 years from now learning about the great 21st century philosopher, the Rock.

[@haydee7476]

@@tedculbertson6320 it's about drive, it's about episteme

[@梅森彭]

@@tedculbertson6320 omg like a platypus!

[@zenhendershott7907]

@@OjoRojo40 This is about Natalie being snatty, stop hiding in my replies and make your own comment

[@Princess_Weekes]

I laughed, I cried, and I felt like I had a little bit of therapy

[@NadiraJamal]

And you narrated too, or did I just imagine that was your voice?

[@hobihope2981]

@@NadiraJamal dude I SWEAR I heard her voice at 43:49! I think the voice credit names at the end are pseudonyms 👀

[@brettc6132]

If Natalie could just therapize the entire planet once a month or so I’m convinced that something like 80% of the world’s problems would vanish

[@danielydia2806]

Yeah I'm pretty sure I heard your voice too. Just a fantastic bonus to a fantastic video. 😊

[@MauroDraco]

Totally!

[@sailorplanetmars6103]

I can't quite get the Snow White analysis out of my head - cause like, the Queen can literally change the way she looks using magic. She could just make herself hotter! That would, ostensibly, fix all her problems. But instead, she makes herself uglier to trick and attempt to kill Snow White. But I've literally never noticed this - the possibility that the Queen could have reached an amicable solution by improving herself instead of attacking Snow White is so far out of the purview of our culture that it doesn't even present itself.

[@blutygar]

Oh shit, that last line. Actually could be a new moral out of that story, that self-improvement should be aimed for, considering the Queen still considered the villain in that story.

[@thebiggestcauldron]

Purvue?

[@sailorplanetmars6103]

@@thebiggestcauldron purview*, I didn't make up the word just the spelling lol

[@phastinemoon]

I’ve seen that once - in the parody work of “politically correct fairytales”

[@mariebourgot4949]

@@sailorplanetmars6103 But in reality, that would probably be esthetic surgery and all the others things done to conform to beauty injonctions that are very very very much in our culture. So I would've agree with your comment if it was self improvement about personnality, or physical self improvement but not out of fear of rejection/loneliness/craving for recognition and love, but for self love/health.

[@dificulttocure]

"Moral Superiority often being the refuge of people with nothing better to feel superior about". Woah, you hit the nail in the head so hard with that one!

[@laotasurfs1110]

Nobody has a spine like Natalie. I can't imagine anyone else speaking so goddamn frankly about taboo subjects you know she's gonna be criticized to hell for. Just in case it's otherwise thankless work, THANK YOU.

[@Cordial_Lump]

she ate out of a kibble-filled cat bowl... she does not give a fuck anymore

[@justalostlocal]

Good. Sis doesn't let the bastards get her down.

[@zenleeparadise]

At about 47 minutes in Natalie says “isn’t rationality itself oftentimes just an attempt to make our feelings contagious?” And I think it’s the most profound and interesting observation she’s ever made on this channel.

[@corcanish]

Glad someone else took a strong note of that! Thought I was crazy when it kept echoing inside my mind for the rest of the vid

[@LucGendrot]

If you like that concept, then Vsauce's recent video "The Future of Reasoning" explores it in-depth, and he references the book "The Enigma of Reason" by Dan Sperber and Hugo Mercier, himself.

[@Vivivofi]

rationality is oftentimes an attempt to make our feelings easier to spread? can someone go into a bit of detail on how so? i don’t fully get it to be honest

[@JLittleBass]

@@Vivivofi I think basically we have "gut reactions" or instinctive feelings about things, and then we look for reasons that justify why we feel that way.

[@Vivivofi]

@@JLittleBass oh yeah that’s definitely a thing haha, yeah that makes sense to me but i guess it’s just the wording of the quote that’s throwing me off haha

[@ysabelv6161]

Watching “The Desire for Mommy’s Milk” section while breastfeeding was an experience.

[@tessarae9127]

Aryan Pandey 😰🥶

[@ysabelv6161]

@@aryanpandey7284 Lol I knew it was only a matter of time before someone made this kind of joke.

[@Kenny-zv2wk]

This made me realize that I'm just a ball of envy. I always believed that jealousy and envy were the same, but now I've literally realized that I'm not really jealous of others but hella envious. I have the whole, "I struggled so others have to too" mentality and I know that it's toxic but I don't know if I can truly unlearn it.

[@moonbun690]

You can, I believe in you. I've seen others do it, and I'm on that journey too.

[@SilenzioDiEsistenza]

the strange thing is, all these people we are envious of, struggle too, they just have different struggles... to spread the struggle to everyone, this is done professionally by politicians and priests alike.. it is common for people to want this sharing of suffering.. the ceo who wants so badly to get his products sold, is looking to free himself of the pain he experiences.. of his suffering, his dreams, his desires you are not all that bad believe me.. the fact that you see this in yourself, allready distinquishes you from many others, who not only think such thoughts or have such feelings, but actively try to bring as much people as possible in their sphere of suffering.. what is there to unlearn? being human? you are a vast being, connected to the whole universe, .. pinpointing your flaws.. it isn't a big deal.. it doesn't diminish your god-being!

[@Lfppfs]

Well, the first step in unlearning it is realizing it, so you're on the right track!

[@corneliahanimann2173]

I definitely unlearned it, but I am still flawed, and I can't even tell you what made me unlearn it. I think it has to do with me going to therapy and being humbled by the therapist, and facing some of my demons. It is easy to feel happy for others, once you are willing to forgive the ones that caused you your pain. And forgiving doesn't mean excusing it, it just means you make peace with the fact that others are flawed humans too.

[@henazz2561]

@lif6737someone wants to see the world burn

[@taylorfair3640]

“Don’t say no to getting older, say yea to being a milf,” had me involuntarily ‘oooh’ in enlightenment.

[@raedev]

"kids these days have it so easy" has always been a weird take to me... like, isn't that the point? aren't we, as a species, constantly working to make life better for our children? lmao

[@suitov]

It's like the difference between "I suffered, and now everyone else must too" and "I suffered, and I never want anyone to suffer like I did". I find one of those mindsets much more healthy -- AND more empowering.

[@heathercameron1485]

"Nothing matters more to me than family. I want to make this world a better place for my children.... NO NOT THAT WAY!"

[@blutygar]

I wonder if its because even if we're told to care about the next generation's future, we're still scared about our own mortality.

[@umwha]

Bad times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create bad times. Ironic, cyclical, true.

[@KitRuthieandCaroline]

tbh i dont understand why old people envy us as if i dont envy my boomer uncle who went to art school in the 80s and paid his whole tuition by working at jack in the box

[@bluewin13]

Watching this felt like somebody was opening all the curtains in a room full of my darkest, hidden thoughts, forcing me to see all of them in the light. It was sobering to admit my own guilt, and there were times when I was shocked at how she described my experiences verbatim. But somehow, it was comforting. This is the first video I’ve ever watched from her, and yet she felt like a friend or a long-known therapist guiding me through a session of intense introspection. I felt safe. I don’t know how else to describe it

[@mimi_lulu9121]

I actually deeply disagree with this video. Envy is a a natural human emotion that has a reason for existing just like any other “negative” emotion like fear or melancholy. Just because a moral argument can be traced back to envy, it doesn’t make that moral argument any less valid. Instead of framing things as, “your moral high horse is actually just envy at its core,” I see it as “something is morally wrong with this situation, and envy is a symptom that arises from it.” For the examples like not-like-other-girls or incels, the moral argument is disingenuous. But in other cases like trying to be anti racist and feminist or not liking billionaire excess, there is definitely a moral problem, and just because envy *might* be involved it doesn’t make those situations comparable to incels etc. at all. So simplistic.

[@kedabro1957]

You are describing ... ... Feeling known instead of alone.

[@pedrogheventer2566]

@@mimi_lulu9121 1:21:58

[@moonstaff1234]

@@mimi_lulu9121 idk why you chose to write this essay in reponse to the above comment, but contrapoints literally makes the same point you're talking about towards the end of the video? she literally says verbatim she disagrees with the notion that everything is solely derived from envy....

[@mitsukikosan]

Me too. For me, it helped me understand a falling out with a friend… who in retrospect does the thing of (56:48) turning feelings of envy into a sense of moral superiority. He got angry at me over something he’s done many times before, and I couldnt figure out what was causing his disproportionate reaction (aka cutting me off altogether)

[@down-to-earth-mystery-school]

My husband and I recently immigrated to Mexico and the fear of envy is high here. You can walk down the street, all the buildings are dilapidated and then you go inside and are blown away by how beautiful the homes, restaurants and hotels are….

[@lifenote1943]

Usually people migrate OUT of Mexico......

[@alejandramoreno6625]

​@@lifenote1943we have universal healthcare, maternity leave, sick leave and free university. No wonder Americans are moving to Mexico.

[@julioalbertoherrera1339]

​@@lifenote1943Some people do, it depends on the conditions. Which is the condition to migrate? When you have need of money, to support several children, and having little studies.

[@julianrodolfo]

@@lifenote1943only the people that are struggling live there countries, and that’s usually the uneducated sector of the population.

[@lifenote1943]

I mean you also got an insane level of organised crime running rampant.@@alejandramoreno6625

[@josearagaojr.3016]

My relationship with Natalie's videos is 1 - "title of the video" - what the hell, that's such a random theme... *watches the video* 2 - I NEEDED THIS SO MUCH HOW DID SHE KNOW THIS SOOTHES MY SOUL'S PAIN

[@tophergrallison]

This "soothed" you? I need to cover all the reflective surfaces in my house with sheets so I don't see my reflection and have a breakdown.

[@hallehuckleberry]

i’m both soothed and disturbed. i’m glad we’re not alone in feeling this way…

[@AmethystMarie]

Well, that was a fun hour and forty-eight minutes of personal attacks.

[@JalexRosa]

I started like "I'm not gonna watch the full video", finished one hour later wanting more (as always).

[@Noissimsarm]

It's almost 2 hours long

[@funkygoblin]

that's what she said

[@Bloody-Roses18]

@@Noissimsarm Maybe they watched it on 2x speed?

[@theriffwriter2194]

For realz

[@theriffwriter2194]

@@Noissimsarm yes. Very good 👏. Which means they realized it an hour in. R/wooosh

[@Zanyotaku]

My mom caught me watching this and she was amazed I listen to a beautiful woman talk about political philosophy for two hours as my idea of having fun in my free time. But Natalie makes it fun

[@iv7267]

ContraPoints is a double-edged sword. On one side, it's the best content on youtube, on the other side, it's the best content on youtube, and you'll not get fulfilled the same way by other videos until she posts again.

[@citizeninsane8518]

"the only good youtuber"

[@iv7267]

@@citizeninsane8518 haha, i see what you did there.

[@MA-yu2ss]

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[@dyoopiter]

😭😭😭 realtalk tho

[@opinion4755]

I agree! Its amazing. And I am Ben Shapiro.

[@Orynae]

Causes of bisexuality in women, listed by order of decreasing importance: 1. Natalie Wynn asking, "do you wanna be bad with me?" 2. Being born this way

[@ycp4194]

Causes of bisexuality in previously gay men uses the same list.

[@malaknajla]

Yes! I have a huge girl crush after this video!! Will go gay for Natalie.

[@jayandgato3723]

Now 3X as gynosexual.

[@Robersora]

Contra explaining to me, that Americans have no concept "envy = bad", opened my eyes to so many parts of their culture I was so endlessly bewildered by.

[@yoshita4140]

same!

[@sendanrio]

Fr like I could never understand the obsession with ppl like the Kardashians who are famous for being...??? And how Donald Trump could ever be seen as remotely palatable.

[@jdk2535]

As an American, it opened my eyes too. Perfectly explains how we became Capitalist Dystopia Numero Uno.

[@MoonShadowWolfe]

I think Canadians have it, too; there's less encouragement to flaunt in this country, I think, but we're just as steeped in capitalism and therefore just as encouraged to envy others. If you live in envy, you start to picture 'being envied' as a piece of the daydream of your eventual great financial success that is definitely coming. "Someday, I'll _make it_ and when that happens, I'll be the one who gets to be envied ... and then happily ever after! Nothing bad comes after that, it's a happy ending for me!"

[@Robersora]

@@MoonShadowWolfe that headspace sounds like a nightmare to be in

[@quoncerned3967]

I watch this video every year bc it really does speak to me on such a deep level. I don’t know why, but envy has been something I have struggled with my entire life. Envy, not jealousy. I wished for the downfall and utter annihilation of people I saw as better than me. This deep dive has honestly single handedly made me more aware of how destructive that dark desire was to my mental health.

[@Nowhy]

Good that you share that.. would help a lot of people that don't recognize that one can't fight nihilism...

[@ellirambler6160]

only natalie can go from “in the short time that you’re alive you have to discover that which is noble in yourself and say yes to it” to “spongebob squarepants is the uber mench” in under ten seconds and i love her for that

[@mayarae6272]

the queen has returned, and she comes bearing content

[@randomantguy24]

@then ur awesome reported you for spam :)

[@Rabbit-the-One]

I prayed for this just 2 days ago. Lo we hath been bequeathed.

[@llamanade2044]

yess

[@maildaemon]

The best gift of all :)

[@nateclipps]

GO STREAM WHOLE LOTTA MONEY remix Nicki Minaj(make sure your streaming right ) 🦄💰🔥- what are you waiting for ?

[@bojidaralexandrov2113]

This had EVERYTHING we needed from you - Nietzsche, Freud, inappropriate sex jokes, leftist politics, Paris Hilton, Spongebob, John Milton, Marie Antoinette, looking with fear at the depths of the human psyche, references to the Ancient world, existential angst, black magic, Cain y Abel, incels, Dostoevsky and Tolstoy.

[@dahterrasse]

also catgirls, incels, and the kardashians

[@simont390]

and milfs, you forgot milfs. i fully cackled out loud at "john milfton"

[@Firegen1]

And reading Janis for filth, a better costume for Gaga's Judas video and a lot of all of it.

[@sessaly7197]

attempts to speak german, reference to Citizen Kane

[@maximnicola4182]

Also a reference to the works of L. Ellis

[@catherinemccormick3184]

Envy sounds like the perfect opposite of schadenfreude: Schadenfreude is the pleasure in others misfortune, Envy is the pain at the good fortune of others

[@framhe6793]

Would you say they are opposites? To me these two concepts sound more like two sides of the same coin.

[@scarletlarvesta]

I think schadenfreude is the result of the envied person getting what the envier (envier? Is that a word?) thinks they deserve. I think it usually comes from envy

[@julioalbertoherrera1339]

It is to feel happy about the disgrace of others. This is not good, specially when the other people have done nothing to you.

[@overgrownkudzu]

@@framhe6793 i mean the two sides of a coin are opposite each oterh

[@internetizmyhome]

Why speak German? Just say epicaricacy.

[@abj6920]

She really just said "justice is tied to envy" as a massive philosophical conclusion and put it online for free in an entertaining consumable package

[@nicolesong6199]

yeah... where else am i going to get this learning with this "realness"

[@nikindd]

Also said conservative politics is tied to it. I think this video is to think in a way when justice can be productive and not self-cannibalistic

[@Soemrjruur]

Justice does not have to equal sameness or assimilation; and justice and equality are not the same thing. Thus, envy as a consequence of differences in relative perception of capacity and other ‘envies’ can only exist in relation to normativity. Therefore, justice would only exist relative to normativity. The less normative the represented subject, the less justice applicable which this sophist would indicate ad absurdum envy to also be the source of the trans impetus, and the reason for desire of bodily augmentation and adaptation to create new ‘bodies without/with more or less organs’.. how would you indicate the complexities of envy and pity that someone with a well paying job but a broken spine and thus paralysis might have for someone who is mentally disabled and unable to work but with a nearly ‘perfect’ normative beautiful body which they enjoy to the limits of its capacity? I would say it depends mostly on the imagined differences between their mental self-actualization: but then envy, the negative projection of oneself onto the subject , cannot work: your mind already has two distinct images, the mistaking of the two wholes as parts of one is impossible when you have two very clear limits and extensities (paralysis vs physicality just as an example). Envy is simply the paranoid view of the subaltern’s differentiation from you,

[@Soemrjruur]

You could tack on more ‘envies’ which are really just boundaries and planes of differentiation: mental processing disorders like dyslexia and adhd the actually quantized and not gradient ‘autism spectrum’ ability to focus To form memory, To ‘clearly’ (linearly and normatively) think. But it’s clear that these “envies” at the very least serve a ‘dual function’ as both the object of envy and the object of privilege, as understood by the subject of both envy and privilege (the envied).. but as the subaltern, unheard ‘envier’ knows, the very reason for the perception of relative privilege is the same as the reason for the perception of ‘envy’. Thus, envy serves as a license, in this philosophy, for the differentiation and distinction of relative privilege, but only from the perspective of the envied. The envier is caught up in representation as a subject, Orientalized, ‘viewed backward’, and since their envy is caught up as data, even the most rigorous analysis can avoid the task of unbinding the envy-actor from their subalternity, allowing them to speak, speak not only in the boundaries of the ontology which has been traced from and reconnected to them (like all colonial projects of knowing) ..the subaltern may be asked of their mental whereabouts relative to the envy “how have you experienced what has engendered this envy?” But they will not be empowered, there will be no reversal to imagine them as the ones asking the questions, the ‘subjects of the envied’.. cynicism.

[@Alloballo123]

It's true, and also false. You going to stand there and say that a slave was envious of their master's freedom? As though it were a psychological pathology? Ok, sure. Maybe we can say desire not to be enslaved is born from envy of master's freedom. But where envy theory falls apart is: they wanted to end slavery, not enslave the master. The idea that envy is "if I cant have it you can't either" what happens to all social movements that want to eradicate somethibg? How is that fit into the envy logic of "if I can't have it you can't either"

[@markreadin7124]

Natalie is truly a unique artist, unlike nearly anyone on this platform. It feels like a grand opening when she releases a new video...which is movie-length and filled with humor, complexity, philosophy, emotional depth

[@ScumfuckMcDoucheface]

Well said.

[@simons.2281]

100% this. Contrapoints is something else.

[@ScumfuckMcDoucheface]

@Zach, Bro haha fuckin' eh, Zack, bro.

[@Smorj3]

I envy her abilities.

[@jamesn3122]

Fuuuuck. I watch every video but never once thought of them as "movie length" and now I can't stop thinking about the amount of love and work going into these

[@sheeky2084]

At the beginning of this video I felt such a horrible anxiety as I realized you were addressing the very emotions I've spent so long trying to avoid dwelling on and unpacking. But by the end of it I could feel myself starting to forgive my own heart so thanks for that

[@ScottEltringhamMusic]

YOURE NOT ALONE - Ziggy Stardust, Rock N Roll Suicide I feel the same way and I pray we can overcome it with our sincere desire to be better people. Almost creepy how well she highlighted these universal experiences, she is blessed with an amazing creativity.

[@MostlyCloudy]

Truth!

[@idin.aazami]

Sending you good vibes! I too had a similar experience when I watched this amazing video

[@Th0tsandprayers]

I literally put off watching this after seeing the intro for the exact same reason… sending you the best vibes love 💖

[@nefariousnilbog]

I cannot deny I have fought these feelings and continue to on a day to day basis.

[@0oSiLveRo0]

the saddest thing that even as a child I identified with squidward. Felt sorry for Tom and the coyote too, didn't like any show where the characters were locked in a constant struggle with no hope of improving or moving forward.

[@mangywolf]

just want to say I find your compassion for these characters to be moving. i think to identify with them at some points in life doesn't necessarily equal a life sentence to their fate. maybe being aware of it signals a need for change. like these characters, rather than being locked in a conflict against the other, one could choose to disengage and try something new. I felt the same for them too.

[@0oSiLveRo0]

@@mangywolf Thank you.

[@caseylovesthesharks]

@heyhey I related to Tom as a child too! I was afraid I'd end up like him and I felt so, so sorry for him! You brought up excellent points!

[@NighttimeJuneau]

We're all about feline empowerment around here

[@bruhfvdf3145]

I always despised Jerry

[@acarter9806]

So far we have Lust (Incels), Greed (Capitalism 1 and 2), Pride (Opulence), Wrath (Canceling), and now Envy. We gotta get those last two videos on Sloth and Gluttony.

[@klisterklister2367]

and then we can move on to the four horsemen of the apocalypse

[@Jabranalibabry]

She already made a video on fat shaming that touches the themes of overweight people being treated as gluttonous

[@mikek9297]

Gluttony is the hard part. Sloth will just be about... sloths.

[@itamargal-yam5771]

the seven deadly catgirls uwu

[@nabe___99]

Omg I never realized this theme in her videos what the hell

[@notonfire7318]

"Noticing the feeling without endorsing it" is so important and the internet and the discourse would be so much better if we could recognise our envy for what it is, instead of trying to justify it as something else

[@AI-dp3rd]

This part was like hearing a nice outtake from my favorite therapist. Notice the feeling, let it pass, remember to treat yourself with loving kindness.

[@alicevalkyrie]

so good!

[@overgrownkudzu]

yes, and also not feeling guilty or ashamed of it, you can't control feelings just actions. if you feel envy for someone, that's not some moral failing, as long as you make sure not to take it out on that person who did nothing wrong.

[@josephstanichar5434]

"I wish more people could feel things without rushing to a rational defense of the feeling" such a good way to put it

[@theangryholmesian4556]

"We can't command our love (feelings) but we can our actions."-Sherlock Holmes.

[@rroes7319]

I've always related to "envy" whenever I was asked what 7 deadly sin am I. I'm physically disabled, autistic, and trans. I have a lot to want. I was angry at other kids for being able to skip.

[@RedSpade37]

I am a lot like you, but for me, I've found comfort in "New Nihilism". I know that's a hell of a thing to just chime in and say, but it takes a lot of the edge off, for me. That, and lots of substances. I beg for death.

[@JericaJeffrey-o4k]

its good you point out the seven deadly sins since this video is full of christian morality and status quo garbage about how invalid class struggle is. 'its just envy'

[@baintreachas]

@@JericaJeffrey-o4kthe video that says that envy is not, as Freud says, the main reason for social justice struggles- that envy is just as if not more influential in oppressive bigotries and from the more to less powerful (envy of welfare queens, illegal immigrants, middle class to lower class)? and… “Christian morality”? I mean, that’s without saying influential from someone trained in “Western” philosophy… but this video also relies on (from the top of my head) at least 2 Jewish (Freud and Dworkin) perspectives and the Arabic concept of the evil eye… to be fair, neither of these things make it less true that it could be relying on Christian morality (both those Jewish thinkers were in Christian contexts, Arabic =/= non-Christian but this is a generally Arabic and therefore obviously at least as influenced by Islam). But even so… be real, are you only just in the beginning of the video (the only part that IMO supports such a claim) or just trolling?

[@Sera-F1nn]

@@baintreachas Unfortunately, i do have to agree that this video is quite a bit too enthousiastic about the idea that egalitarianism is just hidden resentment. With the implication that it is therefore even more sinister than open resentment. The part about Nietzsche was particularly hard to watch. You CAN tape a small section about how "some people care about other people sometimes", but after a 20min fangirling session of Nietzsche it rings kind of hollow.

[@baintreachas]

@@Sera-F1nn I honestly don’t get how you could walk away with that, tho I’m sure I’m missing something. That concept is basically just at the Freud part, and even the criticism of various egalitarian movements/groups (like the feminist infighting part) specifically mostly has nothing to do with it. Of course you could say “well sometimes critique of peers w higher social status is legitimate and a justified manifestation of an egalitarian impulse” but sometimes it’s not. This video is obviously about the latter, and I think it’s fine to do an artistic examination of that without adding constant disclaimers I don’t see the issue w the Nietzche part personally, but maybe I don’t know enough about the meta/context around Nietzche to get what’s so off putting about it (I’ve read him and about him but from a very different angle/field of study in mind). I’d be interested to hear more about it

[@BlindErephon]

You can tell this video is classy and smart because when it references A Christmas Carol, it uses the Muppet version. It's the best, don't argue. It just is.

[@aaron.umbarger]

People that use the word "classy" are anything but.

[@BlindErephon]

@@computerman790 Right? And Michael Caine is just fucking killing it. His absolute refusal to act like hes in anything but a serious adaptation of a classic novel is perfect.

[@abbyamy28523]

@@aaron.umbarger ew

[@aaron.umbarger]

@@abbyamy28523 the celebrity worship is pretty gross, I agree.

[@heatherrockwell9012]

I humbly submit for consideration the recent version where every character is played by Jefferson Mays

[@skylerhmoore]

to conclude: *spongbob was the answer all along*

[@kellyrobinson1274]

You have selective listening. Creativity with no discipline doesn't work either.

[@garrettwinkler3687]

@@kellyrobinson1274 I think is a ... how do you say ... joke

[@sp4cegrl27]

@@kellyrobinson1274 It's obvious humor isn't in your top 5 enjoyments.

[@metallsnubben]

Squidwardian Archetypes

[@grahamkristensen9301]

Spongebob is the answer to everything.

[@professorskye]

There are SO MANY moments in this video that made me shake my head with amazement at the clarity and strength behind the words. It’s just incredible how good this video is and how blessed we are to have Natalie as a presence in our lives.

[@TheRoguay]

Facts as always Skye

[@deathrays]

this! 💕‼️

[@Byborne]

I have to agree. Envy is something I haven't truly tried to decipher before, however, Natalie really makes it earthshakingly exciting and fresh through, for me, a new lens.

[@inyoni]

How lucky are we to live in a time where (1) we have such a great mind in our society and (2) we have platforms like KZbin to hear her ideas. What a great time for philosophy.

[@leiasleeping1282]

I used to envy my best friend a lot and I straight up told her that. I’m so grateful she still comfortable being my friend.

[@alifasaurus4521]

I'm still struggling with this problem for years. How do u cope with it?

[@leiasleeping1282]

@@alifasaurus4521 For me I think being honest and talking with my friend about this actually helped a lot. We were both only teenagers back then and had no emotional boundaries lol. It lessened the guilt and shame I felt towards my own envy and prevented it from becoming a vicious cycle that would be messier than it already was. Another thing is just with time I gradually realized that regardless of the miserable feeling I often have, I still love my friend, and I do wish that she gets all the best things in the world, even if I may not be able to get the same. I don’t know if this is helpful cuz it’s just my personal journey, but hope you feel better☺️

[@baguettegott3409]

@@leiasleeping1282 I have the same problem, and I also just told her, but it is NOT getting better in the slightest. And I'm not sure how it ever could get better. She copied my dream as a teenager - when people asked what I wanted to be, I said an astrophysicist, because that had been my dream and my passion since kindergarten. She never knew what to say, so eventually she started just saying what I said. Now she is in the process of finishing her university degree in it, extremely successful, perfect relationship, skinny and beautiful, and I'm gonna drop out because I can't do it and I'm just getting fatter and lonelier. How can I not forever hate her?

[@77C928]

@@baguettegott3409 oh my god that sounds so awful icl, i would resent her for it cause its like she stole what you were supposed to be,,, but then i feel that resentment would be unproductive and make you just fester

[@lilylime77]

@@baguettegott3409 I'm going to be honest with you, I've never been in your exact situation, but I do understand the feeling of failure. Similarily to you, I've always told people I wanted to be a physicist, I had perfect grades until my mental health took a toll on me and I almost lost a year of high school. I don't recognize myself anymore, I am ashamed of what I've becomed and I resent my past self for fxcking up so much lmao. I see why you might resent her, it's as if she stole a part of your identity and is living the life you were supposed to live. But hasn't she taken enough from you? Are you going to let the thought of her living the life you desire, take away the life you have now? My advise for you is to reflect; reflect on your life from the earliest memory to now, and ask yourself, what has brought me here? Try to identify the patterns, and to not blame yourself for what was out of your control. From then, try to think about your future, realistically, what do you want to do from now on? And, how will you do it? Also, writing your feelings down helps more than you might think, it's like free therapy just that you don't really have an outsider's pov of what happened, nor a guide to ask the right questions. I really hope you are able to fulfill your goals, and remember that everybody has a right for a new begining. Even if things don't go exactly as we hope, everything might be worth it in the end, that's what I tell myself at least. I hope you have a nice day

[@spriddlez]

I understand we are supposed to be discussing her very thoughtful, intellectual essay on envy but I can't get over her production value. The sets! The costumes! Magnifique!

[@federico7367]

It's so dense and insightful

[@sharp7j]

It blows my mind!

[@MA-yu2ss]

That’s why her videos take quite a while to come out, the production value is amazing

[@noeestrada7910]

Who cares about thinking! It looks pretty , lets just stare at It until the world is no more UwU

[@Ozzymandiyas]

oui oui mon quatre-vingt brioche

[@phastinemoon]

0:00 - Intro 11:20 - Main Titles 12:10 - Part 2; The Desire for Mommy’s Milk 18:07 - Envy; A Theory of Social Behavior 37:15 - The Optics of Envy 50:45 - Envy to Contempt Sublimation 57:12 - Part 69; Sluts 1:01:08 - Intermission? 1:06:03 - Justice (Part 2) 1:23:38 - Ideology of Resentment 1:43:07 - Summation

[@ailsa7471]

Thank youuuuuu 💖

[@bonesandhearts5683]

This has to get higher up

[@BasilWyrth]

you forgot 28:10, the laughing spiral to hell

[@samb3209]

Thank you!!

[@NovackGeorgeTT1971]

Pin it Nats

[@kooky_44]

I'm having a really bad depressive episode (read: life) and this made me smile, even laugh out loud. So thank you so much Natalie, for all your energy, time and effort you put into your videos.

[@Stret173]

well to me it did the opposite: unveiled some shameful unspoken back-mind treaties between some repressed feelings and thoughts that sprung me into a fit of some neurotic symptoms that i didnt had for months. sht, im deeply sunk into not saying yes to life and tho it was and is a bit hurtful but i guess its exactly that "you cant learn without discomfort" moments and i thank nat, this video progressed me, and its somewhat alleviating to know it also did the opposite cos i feel for you

[@SLAUGHTERAMA]

Hope you’re feeling better, gorg.

[@Stret173]

@@SLAUGHTERAMA slowly but not surely, will look for help. tnx

[@Blahcub]

Depression was so 2019 sistwr

[@highclass_lady]

Bookmarking 21:04 to 21:24 "Being envied is basically the opposite of being loved, in conflict with our need to be loved" quote

[@edumedicina]

In my opinion, Natalie has managed to conquer the pinnacle of information transmission. Educating is not an easy task. Students get easily distracted when classes are condensed into hard theory without everyday examples with which you can identify. However, Natalie manages to keep you entertained and focused for the two hours of the video! Bringing up SpongeBob or trying to catch a toy dressed as a cat woman are just a few of the many brilliant executions that allowed me to concentrate when I began to not understand the theory of her arguments. I really want techniques like these to be implemented in education systems, especially Universities and specifically in Medical School.

[@bigbyrdballin]

if my teachers don't start wearing cat ears and lounging naked in rose petal tubs while educating me on the moral ambiguity of life im not going back to school.

[@sunongral5605]

Is it genuinely too much to ask? Why are we generally keeping entertainment separed from utility? Are we taping into the future by wondering that? I like to think we are.

[@ZacharyFinch]

@@sunongral5605 real talk? It might be. Making this one video was a huge undertaking. Im not sure if it’s a reasonable expectation for teachers to be so sociologically analytical, psychologically literate, and emotionally articulate all the time? It’s crazy cool that we get to live in a world with Nat in it, a world where her work can be immortalized and accessed by folks from all over the world for years to come. But how long will her analysis remain relevant with the times? Are we greedy to expect geniuses like her to selflessly and continuously keep this immaculately constructed, beautifully educational dialogue running indefinitely? Idk maybe. Nat deserves the right to step away if she wishes. But suppose she does? Her shoes will not go so easily filled.

[@guffaw1711]

True. I think there's a fine line that when crossed the spectacle of the theatrical play becomes a distraction that weighs the actual information down, making it hard to follow the actual points. But luckily Natalie is one of the few (or the one and only amongst the few who do this kind of thing) KZbinrs who manages to not cross that line and keep it in an artful balance.

[@KuLaydMahn]

I would love to see a college professor start chasing a cat toy mid-sentence.

[@officialsquadrilogystudio]

There is a saying in Mexico, "Someone envious does not want what you have, they just don't want you to have it".

[@spectradream]

How's that in Spanish, if I may ask you?

[@officialsquadrilogystudio]

@@spectradream "el envidioso no quiere lo que tú tienes, Sólo quiere que tú no lo tengas."

[@Posiman]

We have a same saying in Czech: If our neighbor has a goat, we don't want to have a goat as well. We want his goat to die.

[@mirkiekishka]

@@Posiman in Serbia it's a cow lol

[@violetfolgi]

I really love each country having a version of this

[@abarovero]

So, every three months Natalie is - reading A LOT - writing book about what she read - producing, shooting and acting in a full length film on various topics - above all, killing it. Sorry, sliving.

[@GuiSmith]

@EasterBurn Not every three months necessarily, but often enough to be regular

[@maildaemon]

@New Skin I don't know, these videos are pretty meaningful :)

[@thomas18823]

@New Skin do I detect envy?

[@Alina_Schmidt]

@New Skin In a very direct sence, of course it is reductive to Nietzsche‘s work. It didn’t outline every detail of the book, contextualized with relevant past and all the recent statuses of research and all his other works. But just the same is true for my academic lecture-session on a part of that very text of Nietzsche. Well, what can I say, Nietzsche is in fact difficult to read. Even for my german professor.

[@PhilipNiedermann]

and making uneducated heathens like me look up what a Muck Bong is ... oh Meokbang; talking with your mouth full. Got it.

[@nicolaierikqvist-lygumtoxv3144]

"The resentment ideologue always imagines himself as engaged in some kind of satanic revolt against an omnipotent omnipresent enemy" Girl part of my job is writing political speeches and i dont ever think ive even seen a banger like that. You seriously know how to weaponise the english language. I admire you.

[@juliahart8593]

I used language like that for a final essay for one of my undergrad classes and when i personally write about what I want to as opposed to having to do a certain topic, i can craft some real bangers and I wouldn't be surprised of that applied to others as well

[@nicolaierikqvist-lygumtoxv3144]

@@juliahart8593 Definitely. When working in politics you meet some people who really understand how to use language - and make it look easy. Natalies academic background definitely shines through when you see her discuss general ideology via her ability to dissect dogmatism

[@justwentfullchuu2]

This feels like a culmination of what Natalie has said in "Incels" and "Opulence", like those were building blocks to a bigger statement. Like the "Endgame" of the Contrapoints Cinematic Universe.

[@ketrakrelek2347]

yeah one of the extra cool things about contrapoints (the channel) is that each vid stands alone, but if you're familiar with other videos you can see how Natalie's thinking develops and how the topics discussed in different videos are related

[@Manoomu]

Don't forget Justice. We got the whole part two within this video

[@justwentfullchuu2]

@@Manoomu yes! I had not reached that point at the time of the comment. It's basically a feature film!

[@johnwalker1058]

also the Justice p2 segment continuing from Justice Part 1, and references to her "Shame" video like shocking herself for having lesbian thoughts, etc.

[@MissPoplarLeaf]

Also some of the ideas in Cringe!

[@xcvbnm123]

I love PsychologyPoints... I identify as incel and these videos snap me out of my pathological self-hatred for a while, not to even mention the aesthetics. I don't even care if I really am inherently too undesirable to find love anymore, I will say yes to myself in every way I can and seize whatever happiness I can from this planet, hopefully my positivity will attract someone I can share it with. Thank you once again Nat

[@SkiesProjects]

Aww this is awesome! Say yes to life; it isn't hopeless ❤ Seeing stuff like this makes me so glad Natalie's around to articulate important truths I'm not smart enough to put into words. You rock, random internet person 😊

[@averyisinnature7564]

U can do it man ! , keep ur chin up !♥️♥️♥️♥️👑

[@MasaroZilian]

good im proud of you

[@jesusonatortilla624]

You sound like a good human bean. That's a desirable trait. There's hope for you yet.

[@nikosv7230]

ily 🐝

[@fehzorz]

"Human nature is a toxic person" Yet again, Contrapoints drops a killer line that belongs in a quote book, but she's already moved on. I'm in awe

[@heraldofoblivion499]

Half of what she says follows from being a well adjusted person and going to high-school. If this is deep to you then you're probably 15 years behind the curve

[@fehzorz]

@@heraldofoblivion499 distilling it into a few words like that is a skill

[@loverdeadly6128]

I’ve listened to this at work so many time I’ve become convinced it’s one of those works that captures an essential part of the time it was made. I sincerely hope this video essay makes it into, like, “History of the 21st Century” or something.

[@flanger001]

I sincerely want everyone I know to watch this over and over until they understand. I don't think it's possible for me to put an exact marker on anything I've ever watched that has changed my life and how I think more than this one. I love this video so much.

[@emmadobereading]

We are ready, mother

[@joshuawashington758]

A man who's Muscular AND loves Contrapoints? We have a peak Chad right here.

[@jovideos7546]

Well said

[@Dumpknoedel]

I love this video not only because it's visually appealing and educational but mainly because... it seems like Natalie is having fun again. She seems so happy to be making this video. I hope I'm right. I hope she's happy.

[@JosetheDopeLPs]

Same. Our queen deserves nothing but happiness ❤️👸

[@bibliophilecb]

Right? This seems like a return to form in the best way. Just Natalie chatting about philosophy in gorgeous outfits.

[@komomn]

Peobably because this isn't a sad topic like Transphobia, Voting or Racism.

[@nystria_]

I hope she's happy too.

[@mcosmos-h2w]

same

[@Svengali764]

I will never understand intergenerational envy. Like be happy your children are enjoying fruits of your labours.

[@desgoyomama3274]

@@OfficialROZWBRAZEL To add on to this, it's also probably envy at OTHER people's children

[@ViviButter]

hey with global warming on the rise children can finally be envious of us now!

[@omowhanre]

The sentiment of being happy for your children requires being a whole healthy person.

[@jaminavestajugo3456]

It would be a kinder world if people could be happy that the next generation is enjoying the fruit of their labors, and also if the next generation could give due credit to their predecessors. But beyond that, it would be nice if a generation could unproblematically enjoy the fruits of their own labor. Some marginalized groups are asked to infinitely defer a better life until "the next generation."

[@christopherbutz]

Mmm yes. Delicious fruits like global warming and gutted social safety nets. Don't be so ENVIOUS that boomers doomed the world so they could have treats!

[@watariri7015]

this video changed me fundamentally and I comeback to watch it from time to time.

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

It’s interesting, since I’ve dealt with Envy myself. I went through a “not like other girls” phase where I thought I was smarter than every girl just because I had less than feminine hobbies. It was envy; I wanted their social skills, their conventional attractiveness, and, since I turned out to be bi, I had a bit of a crush on some of them. All of that desire for what other girls had turned me spiteful. Thankfully, that was in middle school, and I’ve since gotten over it and learned to respect other girls, but a teacher I once had seemed like she’d been in her “not like other girls” phase for over 50 years. She was spiteful towards pretty much every girl who wasn’t painfully shy, and openly resented women who were outgoing and liked makeup and stuff. Weirdly enough, I was her favorite student, but I could tell she was projecting her childhood self into me hardcore. Envy can ruin you.

[@bonesandhearts5683]

Same. I found that just admitting to myself that I was bi actually really helped me get over the envy, because it kind of took the male gaze out of it and helped me get over the whole “my desirability to straight males is my entire self-worth” thing. Like I’m not competing *with* her, I’m competing *for* her. So i guess it kind of turned my envy into the much more wholesome greed and covetousness.

[@alexmeyer2058]

@@bonesandhearts5683 ... which also makes you fit into capitalist society better. Sublimation is a powerful thing.

[@overgrownkudzu]

ugh yeah, i was always different and weird, like very advanced academically but behind on social stuff with very unusual interests weird, and while i didn't want to be like the popular girls, i really just wanted what they had, a friend group, being accepted, etc. but because i easily got good grades i just convinced myself i was superior to them when really i felt inferior. in retrospect, i probably sucked just as much as them and while there are certain people who's bullying i won't forgive i'm glad i got over the generic dislike for everything stereotypically feminine and popular, it's just nor productive or helpful.

[@scifikoala]

On the feminist confessional thing, the same thing happens with environmentalism. I work in a grocery store in a very eco-conscious suburb in Colorado, and sometimes, naturally, people forget their reusable tote bags in their car or at home. But the weird part is that they will often apologize to ME profusely. It's the weirdest shit, I feel like a priest. I honestly have to give them some reassurance like, "oh that's ok I'm sure you'll remember next time," because if I shrug it off they will not stop going on about how bad they feel about forgetting.

[@owayasomething9295]

Saaame. I study a thing with sustainability in the title, and every time I mention it to someone new, they will start explaining to me how they personally recycle, or got a hybrid or something, as if I’ll judge them for their choices. The first thing you learn studying sustainability is literally to never make solutions that rely on individual responsibility. Nobody is perfect and we can’t demand perfection when the system doesn’t provide easy access to the information people need to be ethical consumers.

[@alexandercamlin8889]

Start selling indulgences, you’d make bank. Maybe offer them carbon-neutral credits.

[@bonesandhearts5683]

Oh yeah i work at trader joe’s and that happens honestly countless times per day. And I always reassure them like “oh, i do the same thing all the time, you can just use these paper bags for recycling or compost”. I’ve never really given it much thought, but it is weird that they seem to feel like I’m the one who will pass judgment on them. Like, I get paid to give people a million of these disposable bags per day, i’m not the one who’s gonna judge you lol

[@bonesandhearts5683]

@@owayasomething9295 oh god yeah i work at a trader joes and we’re kinda supposed to be chatty with all the customers, so we do things like talk about the food people are buying and what they like about it and stuff. But I’m a vegan and I’m always really nervous that they’ll ask me if I’ve tried some non-vegan product. I never want to tell the customers I’m checking out that I’m vegan. Any time I’ve had to tell someone i haven’t tried some product because I’m vegan, they go into total guilt mode and start telling me about why they can’t be vegan or how they used to be vegan but it made them sick, or about how they’re trying to cut down on meat, etc. Some of the hate vegans get is valid because there are people like the vegan teacher and there’s organizations like peta that can’t stop doing tone-deaf, sanctimonious bullshit. But a lot of the resentment toward vegans is just automatic guilt and defensiveness, which is why I hate telling people I’m vegan. It always turns into this awkward thing where people feel like they have to justify to me why they’re not vegan, and I’m just kinda like…dude I don’t care I’m not like the high priestess of veganism I’m just trying to let you know why I haven’t tried any of our hot dogs

[@bonesandhearts5683]

@Milad Chy hmm. Can’t say I agree with that particular philosophy. I mean for one thing, just to be pedantic for a sec, people definitely aren’t filling the void left by religion with nihilism. Nihilism *is* the void. Like that’s exactly the word Nietzsche used to describe the total loss of purpose we’re experiencing now that god is dead and we have killed him (nya). And I do think some people need religion, but I don’t think it’s because they’re like these sheep who are incapable of thinking for themselves. I mean a lot of so-called “Great Ones” were very religious. They were straight up religious leaders, like St Augustine. I do think religion can be a little bit of a shortcut to morality and purpose, but sometimes people need that shortcut because they have to spend their time and energy on other things, whether it’s working to put food on the table or it’s, idk, inventing a more fuel efficient car or some other shit that makes them a “Great One” or whatever. And then there are religious people who don’t use religion as a short cut; they put more time and energy into trying to discern morals and purpose than most secularists. And it’s as easy to create a secular shortcut to morals and purpose as it is to create a religious one. I mean, the Golden Rule is a pretty good foundation for general good behavior and it’s not hard to get to “treat others as you would like to be treated” a priori without any religion. I don’t think secular morality is just automatically insufficient for people who don’t have the time or the energy to fart around doing philosophy. And I’m saying this as a philosophy student. Not to mention a lot of the “Great Ones” were really goddamn stupid about certain things considering how willing they were to question everything. I mean Kant was like the biggest racist ever even though he literally wrote the book on critiquing our own reason and its capacities. So basically he came up with all this shit about what we were capable of through reason and how to use reason correctly and then he went and used it way wrong so he could talk about how Black people are stupid and they’re born white but then they’re skin turns brown over the first month after their born. Not to mention he was a big old misogynist (wild how these dudes were able to question the most basic things, like whether cause and effect was real or an illusion, but they couldn’t even consider the possibility that Black people/women aren’t actually innately inferior). And then there’s Rousseau, who talked the big talk about political and familial responsibility and meanwhile he fathered like a hundred (not an exaggeration, like over a hundred) kids and made all his girlfriends give the babies up to foundling homes which at the time in France were basically a death sentence. So being a “Great One” doesn’t even mean that a person is moral or good or even follows their own philosophy. Also your unironic use of the term SJW makes you sound like a fuckin boomer and i strongly suggest you stop.

[@roeybason6659]

I think in the pizza moment in Spongebob Squarepants, Squidward sees himself in Spongebob for an instance: despite all of his efforts he failed. What is a moment for Spongebob is Squidward's whole life. So when they're “on the same level”, in his eyes, he can care about Spongebob and he stands up for him. Maybe I'm over-analyzing because it's one of my favorite moments in the show.

[@ContraPoints]

No I agree it’s a super touching moment! And it’s reciprocated at the end of “Band Geeks” when Spongebob arranges Squidward’s one moment of victory

[@nigelharvey640]

Dude. This is some next level spongebob right here.

[@KetchupRocket]

@@ContraPoints why did this comment make me tear up

[@christiancorocora7921]

Now this is some high level discourse

[@odoloid]

@@ContraPoints Natalie, you're giving me feels about Spongebob STOPPPPPPPP

[@1fershadow]

This video is so validating. Due to envy, a coworker that was promoted to my manager one time yelled at me, would tell me very condescending comments, acted like i didnt exist when it benefitted her,and would never let me have the last word (even if proven wrong). The clue came out when she told me "your life is perfect." Bitch I'm an immigrant with ptsd, I hope karma gets her back, I ain't above being petty

[@jennalindsey615]

As an insecure lesbian about to go to a women’s college, this video couldn’t have come at a better time. I’ve been specifically anxious about the envy and self loathing that will come from being around so many beautiful and talented people, compounded with undoubtedly desiring many of them. Hopefully awareness will do me some good. Beautiful and hilarious work as always, ily ❤️

[@operatoremma4843]

Whenever I feel insecure/envious I remind myself that we're all just people. And even the most physically attractive people can have problems I can't even imagine. We are all equal. We are all beautiful.

[@feelingveryattackedrn5750]

Its all we can do to just make ourselves content, and awareness of the human condition certainly helps. Also youre unlike anyone else: whether thats for better or for worse is in the eye of the beholder so just find people that vibe

[@pattheplanter]

You will almost certainly be envied and desired by somebody. I hope you find out who it is.

[@thulyblu5486]

Maybe because of awareness you'll sublimate your envy not against others but against yourself as described by Natalie at 1:19:17 ... after all, envy and human nature are said to be kind of unstoppable, can't be completely repressed... so where will you funnel this emotion to?

[@Janus10001]

If it's Smith (or Mount Holyoke), enjoy the Valley, Jenna, and don't doubt for a second you're as beautiful and talented and desirable as any woman on campus. Thrive.

[@ramywiles]

Realizing that maybe "lesbians just don't think about men that much" is _literally_ how I figured out I was a lesbian, yes!

[@luisab3079]

That quote really hit so hard

[@ramywiles]

^^ Difficult to explain tbh, but I grew up with the "lesbians hate men" stereotype very deeply ingrained, so I believed being a lesbian inherently meant being repulsed by men. Once I realized that how I felt about women didn't have to have anything to do with how I felt about men, I was able to interrogate both of those sets of feelings separately... and bing bang boom, turns out I'm gay 🙃

[@RapidBlindfolds]

where does she say that?

[@ramywiles]

@Fat Face Bork Laser™ Let me actually tag you, lol, sorry -- reply above

[@xen2125]

@Fat Face Bork Laser™ it means exactly that. There have been very long periods of time that I just straight up forgot men even existed…because I was in the “woman bubble”

[@HVolnWhatnow]

Contrapoints: “the only men I think about are Fred Nietzche and........ Oedipus the King.” Jordan Peterson: *tears welling in the glow of his computer screen. Melissa Manchester’s “Don’t Cry Out Loud” plays somewhere far off in the distance. He’s fine. This is fine*

[@kateaye3506]

I had this similar thought too.

[@arandomcomment1092]

Also the golden one

[@elizabethghil8239]

i watch your videos on break at work and i got to the catgirl nietzche part and genuinely wondered for a sec what someone who can’t hear the audio thinks i’m watching. absolutely no possible way to guess that we’re reviewing the life works of one of the most famous philosophers and a comparison of this works to envy at large in modern society… incredible.

[@AbbyCox]

Wearing a 1780s gown while drinking champagne from a winery that was founded 1770s? Well done, madame, well done. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@sophie-qt3mw]

The crossover between ContraPoints and historical dress KZbin is something that brings me great joy.

[@NouriaDiallo]

@@sophie-qt3mw You steal the words from my mouth!

[@alxh3727]

Abby!! 😍

[@sashacatil623]

ABBBYYYYYY

[@robinchesterfield42]

Well, obviously she had help from Catherine DeMedici's time-travel agency.

[@avery9122]

the "feminist black pill" was an analysis i didn't know i needed. a couple months ago i tried to explain to a friend why "name three trustworthy straight men, you can't" type content is so tiresome to me, and i had trouble articulating it. i settled on just saying it felt unproductive and needlessly negative, but you've hit the nail for me. thank you, nat.

[@chiefpurrfect8389]

I've gotten so much shit in feminist spaces for saying this exact thing. On one hand I sympathize with the hurt, trauma and frustration these kind of takes come from, on the other we (as in, feminists) need to collectively understand that venting is really all this is. It's not an intellectual argument, it's not advocating for anyone or anything. It's not feminism. But when it masquerades itself as such I genuinely believe it hurts the movement; and unfortunately that particular brand of feminism is fairly normalized (at least on KZbin, I don’t frequent other platforms enough to confidently say what the lay of the land is beyond that). And don't get me wrong, there's a time and place for venting too but we should always keep in mind that it's not activism, it's not a competent strategy on a political level and that- on an individual level- venting can be very irresponsible and even abusive if it's not aware of and honest with what it is. There are several female creators who make videos about social issues whose content I otherwise liked but eventually stopped watching because I got worn down by the underlying resentment under their takes where it pertained to men, all while they served them to their audience as feminism to numerous “omg kween yaaas” responses. I acutely remember this one woman who vehemently refused to date short men and likened dating them to bestiality in a semi-joking fashion (operative word: semi. When women in the comment section inevitably went "leave our fun-sized boyfriends alone, they didn’t hurt nobody” she was like "hey, I mean if you are into *~that~* sort of thing and you are happy with it, you do you~ couldn’t be me though~”) all while so much of her content is about how dehumanizing women's beauty standards are and how much it sucks that society judges women's worth based on their physical appearance. *in Natalie's voice* "if I can't live my life without society constantly judging me for my physical appearance.... *then no one can."* *also* "patriarchal beauty standards are bad, but only for me!" lmao Like girl. Are you even listening to yourself? You don't fight shitty women's beauty standards by endorsing shitty men's beauty standards. Misandry is not the antidote to misogyny. When will you learn that two wrongs do not make one right. What you are doing is enacting some sort of unimaginative eye-for-an-eye kind of revenge under the pretense of activism and I don't trust a person who is clearly more preoccupied with trying to make men have an equally bad time than to alleviate female suffering to advocate for me as a woman. Women. Besties. Gal pals. If you need to vent about the shitty experiences you have with men then fine- I guarantee there's plenty of material to work with and you have every right to do it. Call up a friend, call up several, do it privately. If you have a platform and fancy yourself an activist however, do not impose your personal frustrations on your audience- they are neither your therapists nor your friends. Resentment that pretends to be activism isn't lifting anyone up.

[@katarinav9683]

can someone please put the time stamp she talks about this? it flew over my head

[@pedrogheventer2566]

@@katarinav9683 43:28

[@Yuyuhh271]

@@chiefpurrfect8389 The response to this type of thinking from said feminists is usually: that’s the oppressors getting into your head. Men don’t want you to hate or resent them as part of your feminism because that hurts them and makes our activism more potent. In the words of radical feminist, borderline TERF Robin Morgan “I feel that man hating is a valid political act”. For a while, I used to be stuck at this counter argument because it sounded very convincing. It would make sense for the oppressor to want to neuter feelings of resentment in the oppressed so that at the very least, if they lost power, at least there wouldn’t be a bloody revolution with them as the chopping block and the head in the basket. It wasn’t until I watched this video and truly understood the nature of envy, something I hadn’t seriously considered as a pervasive and secretly dominant driving force in our lives, that I realized what a revolution and that man hating would entail. Envy, as Natalie said, is destructive and subjective, and thus is not guarenteed to end at the destruction of a perceived oppressor. Some of the most virulent man haters amongst radical feminists became TERFS, and probably because that envy extended to them despising trans women. “They enjoy all this male privilege, the privilege we as radical feminist women wish we could be close to an inch to, and then they throw it all away to be…like us? And just get to call themselves women after all this time? After all they (and by they, I mean men) have done to us?!?” That kind of resentment common in extreme misandry then spills into the oppression of other marginalized groups, especially transwomen and more recently amongst homophobic women - gay men. While envy in the form of misandry is destructive, and would most likely destroy a male misogynist, it also destroys other women and marginalized groups, and you would have to be the type of feminist who is dedicated solely to destroying men than benefitting women to subscribe to that kind of envy. There is still a way to hold misogynistic men accountable as Natalie says through that Dr.King quote, power using justice to carry out the demands of love, A.K.A, holding those men accountable. But a lot of “ironic misandry” reeks of that destructive envy, and unfortunately ends up employing much of patriarchal malpractice (engaging in the same biological essentialism “men are sex obsessed monsters” “men can’t cry, hence male tears mug”) just to spite men at the expense of everyone else. Women who treat sex as a commodity when their male partners don’t do so just to spite men and hold power over them as sexual gatekeepers are willing to contribute to the over arching rape culture, which fundamentally sees sex as a bought and sold commodity, if they can spite some men in the process. There are a ton of other examples of women engaging in ironic misandry or old patriarchal ideals that are harmful to men and women just to spite men out of envy, and while this is a perfectly understandable trauma response, it is a very dangerous political tool, as is all envy. There has to be a way to hold oppressors accountable that doesn’t involve underlying envy, and I think Natalie did a great job opening up that conversation towards the end of her video. I really want to see other video essayists, specifically feminist video essayists, expand on this topic of envy in their activism and social circles, because I think this video has sort of awakened a few painful truths in leftist political circles that we largely accused conservatives and neoliberals of heaping onto us without merit.

[@avery9122]

@@katarinav9683 also around 1:40:10 :)

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

The true ubermensch here is clearly Spyro, a dragon who loves being a dragon, hoarding treasure, securing his eggs, and burning his enemies. He is completely unhinged from any concept of slave-morality and relishes his natural power.

[@nanakarinna5039]

such an underrated comment

[@Mantis42]

whereas crash, the last bandicoot, desires only wampa fruit and the security of the aku aku mask. a pitiful creature

[@questioningespecialy9107]

unleash your inner dragon embrace the orange flame

[@midas41]

I think "chasing the dragon" is a drug reference...

[@seanmcloughlin5983]

@@midas41 porque no los dos?