Ruan Mei vs Fugue: Who Offers Better Investment Value in Honkai Star Rail

[@juanbarron5403]

3:56 its not the target she designates, she passively lets anyone super break, assigning a character with her skill buffs break damage and lets them do toughness regardless of weakness at 50% efficiency

[@kinohara8635]

As an older player with a significant investment on Break-oriented teams (i.e. Ruan Mei, Xueyi, Firefly, Gallagher, HMC and Rappa) and other types of teams (i.e. Hyper-carry Acheron w/ Jiaoqiu, budget FUA w/ Feixiao & Hunt 3/7th, and DoT), I'm more inclined to pull for Fugue for a few reasons: - Help free up HMC from their role as the Super Break enabler and switch into RMC for the new meta (regardless on whether or not RMC is better than HMC). - Open up the possibility of a mono-Fire team along with Himeko and Firefly - An alternative to Pela as the 2nd Nihility unit for the Acheron team (pretty excited t try this one out myself) - Try out Break DoT team comps (using both premium & the 4* varieties) - Try out other unconventional teams that looks interesting and fun to play with (Crit-Break FUA, Sustain-Support only, Hyper-carry Arlan, Double Tingyun support, etc.)

[@leonardoelias1147]

great 👏

[@DestaLosta]

One of my reason to pull Fugue is to create 2 break team. One is mono fire, like you said, with FF, Himeko, Fugue and Gallagher. The second is rainboe break team with Rappa, Ruan Mei, Lingsha and HMC

[@drakehound2244]

@@DestaLosta One of the Reason to pull for Fugue is as OP said, you can try different combo's bring back OLD Dpsers like Himeko Welt DHIL and make them workable or acceptable again. cause she is 2/3 SP regain, aside from providing something no other characters have ever done, a Second 40% broken HP bar that can procs another Superbreak Damage and Delay. she is a enabler on so many fronts. is she perfect sadly NO, hoyo locked her traces into Break not one attack/critical or normal buff to hybrid a character. (I can understand why cause they don't want another Lingsha Fiasco, where people skipped on the most META character there is, and they didn't realise how powerfull Lingsha is in Critical and Critical Damage gear. )

[@DestaLosta]

@@drakehound2244 i haven't tried Lingsha crit build. Did you made her into dps hypercarry or multi dps in fua team?

[@ashy969]

Arlan hypercarry 😂😂😂.... I want to try that! It is annoying to have him E6 when he is so meh....

[@wadewilliams3046]

Fugue giving an extra break bar for you to break sounds like it would make e6 xueyi absolutely cracked. Like it would make her passive proc like crazy

[@games-dan]

The KZbin content creator “Moon” has some videos showcasing Fugue with Xueyi. I can’t wait to try it myself, love Xueyi but it’s always been hard to find the right niche for her.

[@writerducky2589]

Honestly, after seeing Xueyi do 300k superbreak dmg in current apoc, I'm hoping to get Fugue for her and Himeko. Don't have any of the break dps😅

[@VerbosePX]

Weakness Efficiency is SO strong and important to reduce the toughness bar quickly (it is my favorite Nihility Blessing in SimUni) This alone makes Ruan Mei irreplaceable in a proper Break Team, unless Fugue E1 but it is the same cost Also Ruan Mei plays as a pseudo-sustain with her re-break. I can not see how to oppose them, they are as complementary as Feixiao-Robin or Kafka-BlackSwan or Acheron-Jiaoqiu in their playstyle. With them, the DPS barely matters : even Acheron is good !

[@FilmFlam-8008]

The issue with that is you can replace her with other harmony characters like Sunday that increase turns and buff, and you will do more damage and toughness reduction than Mei will enable in total. Mei is good. But Tig enables entire genre of a VERY cheap playstyle, super break. And in those teams, Mei is great, but replaceable

[@ggmaliki]

Fugue arguably can also work as a pseudo-sustain, due to her Exo-Toughness also delaying the enemy on top of the initial break. A fun team I want to try is Welt or Misha/Sunday/Fugue/Ruan Mei. A sustain isn't needed if three of the four party members can prevent the enemy from moving lol

[@cookies23z]

imo, in some stuff, like 0cycles, the double break is actually a negative since you want the enemy to hit you a bit for the energy, at least in most attempts/runs that being said, RM (unfortunately for me, I dont like her much) is still fantastic

[@yinndragon7988]

Ty, I don’t have ruan mei, I get so annoyed with players assuming everyone saying why not both? Insane, either way ty for this MUCH NEEDED VID, i will be wishing for fugue instead 🎉

[@thomasheerjr9268]

Superbreak does stack, so you can have hits that deal multiple instances of superbreak damage

[@justinpaduga672]

if u have ruan mae, ur good, u can pass if u want, but if u dont have i suggest pull for fugue..

[@LeftyPencil]

Which eidon would you recommend?

[@mundane-ness]

@@LeftyPencil It's a tricky question because it actually depends on who you are running her with. Weakness break efficiency scales better the higher the base toughness damage. Total toughness damage=base toughness damage*weakness break efficiency. For example, Firefly's enhanced skill has a base toughness damage of 30/15 (main adjacent). She gets 50% WBE in combustion state and therefore now does 45/22.5 toughness, without RM or E1 Fugue. With both, she now does 75/37.5 toughness damage. However, if the adjacent targets are not fire weak, the toughness damage drops from 37.5 to 18.75. In cases where multiple non fire weak enemies keep spawning, you rather Fugue skill on units like Lingsha that does frequent AOE attacks so Firefly can just focus on the big boss. E0 Fugue is good enough because E1 WBE really doesn't contribute much when you are breaking off-element. It takes both RM and E1 Fugue to negate the effects of off-element breaking, making it more of a luxury eidolon. On the other hand, characters like Boothill with high base toughness damage benefits greatly from E1 Fugue. At full pocket trickshot stacks, Boothill's enhanced basic does 50 base toughness damage. With E0 Fugue, Boothill does 25 toughness damage off-element, which is enough to finish off most trash mobs and save his ult implant for bosses. With E1 Fugue, he does 37.5 toughness damage off-element, enough to finish off the slightly more elite mobs. And when he implants weakness, he can do 75+45=120 toughness damage per enhanced basic+ult. With both RM and E1 Fugue, he does 100+60=160 toughness damage per enhanced basic+ult. And then there is Rappa, in which it's inefficient to use Fugue's skill on. For example in a Rappa/Fugue team, you would rather bring a third unit that matches the enemy weakness, and a fourth sustain like Lingsha/Gallagher where you use Fugue's skill on. In this case, E0 Fugue is good enough as E1 offers too little for that amount of investment you put in.

[@drakehound2244]

@@LeftyPencil Eidolon it is E0 or E2 for fugue, don't go for E1 cause while it is great for damage increase. it just bait, while E2 is the real difference for Fugue. but her S1 is good but not a must have, but if you got too much money E2S1 gives her ridiculous break damage % modifier that is totally broken. but again that is a whale of leviathan game.

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

Ruan Mei doesn't do what Fugue does though. Sorry but if you invested in superbreak then Fugue is gonna be such a huge boost.

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

@@SageOfLimitlessHands tbf same could be said with Ruan mei in how the wild amount of buffs Ruan mei gives that fugue struggles a tad to compensate for alone. Unless you slap on hmc as well but atp I’d rather run a sustainless comp with Ruan mei hmc and fugue with any break dps Edit: I am agreeing btw, fugue is huge to the already established break archetype rn. But if they don’t want Ruan mei for whatever reason like she ain’t gonna be here for a while or they just don’t like her then that’s chill

[@sanguinetales]

I think people are trapping themselves if thry think we don't need Fugue. I would assume Remembrance MC would be pretty strong, not Op but definitely influential enough to change our team comps. I would guess it turns our MC into a follow-Up slave like March 7th Hunt but we shall see.

[@yukihime4431]

everybody is seeing Fugue as a HMC replacement, and at its core, that is what it is, but at the same time, I don't see nearly enough people talking about the fact that Fugue's SB stacks ontop of HMC's SB, causing two instances of super break to go off at once, so it's very nice to see you mention it. PLUS Fugue having the exo toughness mechanic in her kit, thus, if you are someone like me (who doesn't own ruan mei) even if you don't plan to, or want to replace HMC (right now atleast) they work well together because they enable much more instances of SB damage.

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

HMC requires ult to Superbreak when Fugue just as to exist. Edit: Because you people can't read, this isn't about uptime. Notice how I don't mention uptime before? Because that isn't an issue. Lol Stop bringing it up like it has anything to do with what I said.....which is that SB is only available to the HMC via ult and Fugue jisy has to exist

[@nikyu.106]

If you don't have permanent uptime on hmc's ult you are the problem 😭

[@luvylu1]

You will always have uptime for hmc ult it’s very easy to

[@LeftyPencil]

Was happily surprised auto mode Gallagher just pops off withiut needing to wait for hmc ult

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

@luvylu1 Again that isn't the debate here. Please pay attention to what I said

[@edzelfabros1832]

Really cant believe we finally reached the point where rm would be benched

[@ashy969]

As a Genshin player who is fed up with Xiangling, this gives me hope, though.... The unbendable ones can be ditched, too... At least in some corners of Hoyoverse...

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

Fugue doesn't bench RM. She benches HMC

[@blueblazedemon]

Lil bro watched the video on silent ☠️☠️

[@Osprey1994]

​@ashy969 I didn't use Xiangling for ages. I still barely use her...she's 80/80 after 4 years. You didn't HAVE to use her, you chose to.

[@acrustysheep]

We reached the point where ruan Mei has some break competition, so run both in the same team 😂

[@pkmdz]

I hate that Fugue's ult does nothing

[@starpoint27]

its helpful for rappa since it breaks enemy toughness

[@Joo00393]

​@@starpoint27it's not even that much, I think galagher ult is basically upgrade version of fugue, especially if all of the enemies are fire weak, galagher ult will be even better lmao, I hope they change her ult or maybe it too late, for me it's completely useless ult, as you want to you use her against fire weak enemies, but then her ignore res would be useless, if you run her againts non fire enemies, then she'll take forever to break, such and useless ult, even xueyi ult is better since it has higher toughness dmg scaling too

[@Gilaboyful]

@@Joo00393her ult Is colourless

[@noerufrost643]

Just get e2 sis

[@noerufrost643]

Also, she has permanent superbreak uptime so who even needs her ult to do anything 😂

[@intruder7096]

Thanks bro. Now I've decided to pull for fugue(FF,HMC,Lingsha,Fugue) to replace my e1 bronya.

[@squeegie]

TLDR: Fugue is like Harmony Trailblazer and Ruan Mei put together into one unit. Now you can run a break team with 1 free slot for a different Harmony unit (or Fugue + Ruan Mei/HT). You can now run things like MOC where both sides are super break teams with buffers. Not only that, but Fugue is also a Nihility unit, instead of being an Harmony unit that acts like a Harmony unit. Extra info: This is great for multiple reasons: 1. Break Acheron team can be a viable possibility with Fugue in the team (it technically was before, but now it is way easier to run even with E0S1... hell.. even E0S0). 2. Because Fugue is not a Harmony unit, she can be advanced with Sunday if there are moments where you want Fugue to build her ultimate faster. Fugue is great for FTP players because of her ability to grand any unit rainbow toughness reduction. You can have 1 designated carry without having to match the toughness types for different bosses (although of course matching toughness will be better). Double Toughness Break gives any team, but more specifically Super Break teams, significant DPS boost.

[@ltningchariot555]

i think break is always going to be my favorite archetype. it just feels the best. never have been a fan of summoners in any game. (maybe ill eat my words) My only two premium teams are bh and rappa. cant wait for fugue to come so i can play both reliably.

[@tomatopawah]

I started playing a few weeks ago. I have Firefly, HTB, Gallagher and Pela. Would Fugue work as a Pela replacement or should I wait for a Ruan Mei re run? I know Ruan Mei probably won't be as relevant but God damn I love her ultimate and design

[@UltimateAnimeGuru]

10:23 I say they’re tied since while everyone has Harmony MC, many people will switch him soon and break teams will NEED a super break enabler. Heck, you could run both Fugue & H MC for 2 instances of Super Break that be more damage than Ruan Mei’s break efficiency buff plus 1 instance of super break

[@mikeviray6152]

im pulling her for tingyun nothing else couldnt care less bout her ult being MID it fills up in 4-5 turns anyways also theres like 2 other teams aside from break she can fit in and no shes not replacing harmonies and other nihilities i think she replaces sustain for how much she breaks if you can maintain it they will be permanently broken and you will feel like the sustain is not needed but thats a playstyle thats not really starter friendly so if your 3 months or less into the game just skip and probably pull The Herta or Agleaia

[@hellonyancat666]

Fugue is HMC and more, like you said a Break Enabler. I think RM + Fugue is really nice for Firefly and Rappa teams unless you pull her E1 then I guess Fugue by herself is fine. RM I think is still good at E0 for the break teams. I think Topaz v Jingliu VS Sunday v Fugue is false equivalency. Comparing a utility DPS v Hypercarry VS Harmony v Nihility. Just both utility characters are so good already with I think Sunday edging out a little bit than Fugue. For me, I'm pulling for both as someone who always pulls for Supports. They'll always be timeless even if they're "powercrept" and this is someone without Boothill, Firefly, or Rappa.

[@leoerus]

Is this just a comparison or we're there rumors of a RM rerun

[@LeftyPencil]

Rerun rumors are rumors-cant trust them since the first few months of the game :/

[@misamisaa4547]

I only have 2 5* DPS characters - Argenti & Feixiao (+ I recently got Himeko but she's not yet built up) so I'll go with Fugue to pair up with my Argenti since atm I barely use him. Fugue's skill would give him colourless break & imo that would make him really strong

[@Feenix1504]

I dont really feel like u can compare these two. Because they are both doing different things and are both necessary for break teams.

[@aryosetyo42]

Tingyun for me is ruan mei' s debuffer version. Maybe she will become queen of debuffer. So, comparing debuffer with buffer is kinda....

[@GokaikillerTobi]

Too bad her debuffs are nonexistent

[@TOTGodofWar]

I prefer the delay that Ruan Mei provides. Makes sustainless or pseudo Welt sustain runs doable for me here and there. While Ruan Mei in the long haul won't be the BiS for likely anything, for me she'll continue to hold the title of "Plug and Play" for the most part.

[@ruiyan6797]

With a 2 support core, HMC+Fugue doesn't actually delay less than RM+HMC unless RM has over 375 break effect. Breaking causes a base 25% delay, HMC adds 30%, Fugue adds 15. With 2 breaks you get 140% delay. With HMC + Ruan Mei, you get 55% + 10%+(0.2*Ruan Mei BE)% delay. This equals 140% at 375% Break Effect at Ruan Mei. Naturally, Fugue + Ruan Mei can hit this threshold easier, with this core offering more delay starting from 250 Break Effect on Ruan Mei.

[@TOTGodofWar]

@@ruiyan6797 My comment wasn't in isolation of break/super break team comps. Since I do run a D.o.T team as well I have that to factor in.

[@ruiyan6797]

​@@TOTGodofWar Ruan Mei is generally going to be more flexible in teams outside of break. Purely in terms of break, Fugue still adds 55% action delay between her major trace and second break, so Ruan Mei matches at a modest 225% break effect.

[@cjn0423]

Do HMC and Fugue's Super Break effects stack?

[@aaronmorgan5860]

The answer is yes. You can even stack other superbreaks in addition to HMC and Fugue.

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

@@aaronmorgan5860 this fr, that’s why even tho rappa and firefly have innate super break baked into their kit you’d still prefer to have hmc or fugue in the comp for the super break increase along with the other buffs

[@BonnersMonsters]

I guess the real question is sunday, fugue, or firefly? As I'm sitting at soft pity, guaranteed having lost a 50/50 trying to get Acheron.😬

[@matthewmussler5621]

I am free to play. I can summarize my account as follows: Estimated 240 tickets available when 3.0 patch drops. Limited 5 Stars: Fei Xiao, Robin, Aventurine, Ling Sha, Sunday Will Pull Aglaea Standard 5 Stars: Bronya, Himeko, Clara, Gepard Himeko and Lingsha were both built for critical. No break equipment exists: 4 Stars I DON"T HAVE: Misha, Hanya, Gallagher, Sushang My current conclusion. I could make a break team with Fugue. Himeko and Lingsha make that a possibility. However, I need 180 tickets to guarantee Aglaea, which would leave me only 60 tickets floating from my earlier estimate of 240 tickets. I don't believe I can afford Fugue when I want stellar jade for other 3.X characters. I do believe that there will be a Remembrance path character compatible with break. I'll let other folks enjoy that. Alas, I have to follow to herd and declare Fugue a pass.

[@drakehound2244]

If you are skipping the herta... you will have enough Jades to garantee Algaea. same way I skipped sunday to Garantee Fugue, it is choice you make each patch. You already have the building blocks with Lingsha and Fugue to make a Toughness Reducing Sustain DPS. don't skip on that combo, unless you hate Fugue ... your choice to pull for Algaea I can understand you love her looks then go for it. if you are pulling for Algaea to be META, sadly they just nerf it too much, without correcting the biggest Drawback of Algaea her too costly Ultimate. so you probaly need Houhou as well for Algaea.

[@aaronmorgan5860]

I'm possibly skipping Fugue too. It just seems better to save up for a new dps than to be reliant on superbreak. I'm saving up for the summon meta. However, I do like testing the waters to see if I can get a 5 star early. I usually spend 20-30 pulls for units that I'm not sure about before saving for the next banner. Losing the 50/50 on early pulls can help plan out the pulls better is what I have found out.

[@Sheep.]

Have you accounted for the pulls you'll get in 3.0? Usually a major update like 3.0 will give out around 100 free pulls that you can collect through grinding. Keep that in mind since that's basically another guaranteed 5 star character/LC. F2P players like us have to calculate every one of our moves very carefully.

[@matthewmussler5621]

@@Sheep. I was only estimating how many pulls I would have when the patch begins. The stellar jade acquired from patch 3.0 will be saved for characters coming after that patch.

[@matthewmussler5621]

@@aaronmorgan5860 The temptation to drop 10-20 tickets on Fugue will be resisted. I nearly messed up spending tickets on a Topaz banner which I absolutely did not need. Like you, I need a new DPS, since I only have Fei Xiao as a limited DPS.

[@marianamartinez9070]

And if i remove my sustain and leave HMC, RM, Fufue, and FF ?

[@danha3107]

I'm a sucker for break and already have E1 Ruan Mei, but I'm still pulling Fugue. She'll free up my HMC or Ruan Mei for the other team, buffs my Himeko and Xueyi, AND ITS TINGYUNNNN 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

HECK YEAH MATE LMAO Same boat basically but I want her for my e0s1 rappa and for whenever boothill reruns (TvT) while e2s1 firefly gets hmc fr

[@idonotmakevidsyet]

I dont get comparing these 2 units when they are supposed to be run together.

[@duongnguyen-s1i]

fugue also extra delay enemy actions when broken. but i dont think it is as much as ruan mei. for me, ruan mei rotation isnt too bad, with s1 memories of the past, er rope and vonwaq. at worse case scenario, she will have a 1 turn or half a turn dowtime. though i dont have enough break effect on her, i only reach 180 with the buffs from watchmaker so kinda risky but not enough resin :(. btw question, does ruan mei res pen buff affect break dmg or no, cause vulnability ik it does affect break but not dmg bonus so curious if its the same case or no

[@ruiyan6797]

IIRC if you're comparing who delays more when paired with HMC, Ruan Mei starts delaying more if she has at least 375% break effect. I'm also fairly sure her res pen applies to break damage.

[@duongnguyen-s1i]

@@ruiyan6797 what is iirc again D:. 375% BREAK EFFECT WHAT???

[@ruiyan6797]

​@@duongnguyen-s1iyeah, with HMC, Fugue delays more until Ruan Mei has 375% Break Effect.

[@duongnguyen-s1i]

@@ruiyan6797 oh...... well thats a lot.... of break effect that ill never reach :>. also at e0s1 or s0. what combo is the best fugue/RM. fugue/HMC or HMC/RM. or all 3 are interchangable depending on weakness and dps?

[@ruiyan6797]

@@duongnguyen-s1i I'm not super big on the math, the delay calc was easy, but I'm not a big theory crafter so I don't know the exact TTK comparisons. IIRC Fugue + RM is probably your best option on Boothill + Rappa. Firefly doesn't get as much from Fugue personally.

[@lionelsioco123]

that's why i went to sunday, one problem though... i lose 50-50 on hiss lightcone and got welt's LC, and im having 2 tickets and 530 jades left 😢....

[@QueenMarika1101]

hello . my only chars are e0s1 lingsha and e0s1 ruan mei . im planning to get fugue and make lingsha colorless dps . do i need e1 lingsha and e1 fugue to make lingsha colorless ?

[@QueenMarika1101]

​@@Dreoni_i have e2 ff on my other account and i just want to try weird comps

[@QueenMarika1101]

​@@Dreoni_btw . any thoughts about ruan mei with The herta ? all showcase that i see was herta and robin

[@nikyu.106]

​@@QueenMarika1101Yeah herta likes dual buffers like ruan and robin

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

Fugue has colorless implant at e0 so don’t worry, tho e2 fugue giving a built in ddd is nasty work on hoyo’s part Edit: dps Lingsha is always funny btw lmao

[@MaxyX]

I'm looking at character descriptions and I'm confused why HMC ultimate description doesn't provide the percentage number for the Super Break? Like Firefly has 35% or 50% and Fugue has 100%.

[@1987jjl]

HMC was the first character with it, so it was just a default 100% value, but they did not realize that it was necessary to put a percentage there. Firefly was originally not even designed with her own SBE value in the earlier versions.

[@hanyuee1160]

@@1987jjl nope, HMC's super break isn't 100% but 120-160% depending on the number of targets

[@1987jjl]

@hanyuee1160 It is 100%. You only get 20-60% additional if you add in the trace, but the base super break is 100%.

[@hanyuee1160]

@@1987jjl I see I see sorry I got it messed up😅

[@iAdánn]

Should I pull ruan mei eidolon 1? I don’t really have/dont have the characters that Fugue pairs well with. or should I just save for someone else?

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

Ruan mei e1 is one of the better choices for a e1 to go for as a support but given we are going into a new meta, unless you want to invest into break id just hold off on e1 and wait for another unit you want since while I do have Ruan mei e1, that was due to me liking her, happening to be insane for a archetype not yet truly discovered (super break) at the time and even at e0 she is cracked. Variety is the spice of life imo so have fun with it! But also it’s a lil hard to tell what you mean with “I don’t really have/don’t have the characters-“ but I’ll assume you mean “want” in place of the second have lmao

[@iAdánn]

@ Okay thank you for the explanation. i’ll just be holding it for the new meta characters since im struggling right now 😭

[@amdclx4635]

you make a great point about Hoyo tendencies and how characters tha initially underperformed but then shot to the top of tier lists once their meta/compatible characters were released. Im trying to figure out which one will be 3.0's Topaz lol

[@ItBeGiR]

The real answer is you get both of them because supports are op

[@drakehound2244]

Sadly people are mostly broke, and spending 200 bucks for just a chance for a Character (if they already used up the top up bonus) is a bit expensive. this game is way too expensive for most people. in a ideal world yeah you will get both, but I went for Fugue knowing people will skip it over Sunday. and chances are that Sunday wil get a rerun is much greater then Fugue getting a rerun. Since Sunday promotes Remembrance pets with Damage buff, so if they release another Remebrance Character that needs it. they will rerun Sunday again.

[@dannyboy0_0]

I don’t have Ruan mei so I kinda have to pull for fugue if I want to keep my FF relevant

[@kian1564]

shes not the bis for ff tho, hmc is better but yeah u should pull since u dont have ruan mei

[@xman7566]

How many vids does it take for people to know that RM is op? This comparison doesn’t feel fair. Fugue is ONLY good for sbreak teams and RM is good for EVERY team, including sbreak. And I’d even argue that the only reason she’s good for sbreak is because she’s the only character that offers break efficiency. People forget that one of her main selling points is her 68% dmg increase which doesn’t even benefit sbreak teams. If we ever get another that can offer break efficiency to other characters, RM will mostly likely lose her spot on sbreak teams. In short, pull RM if you don’t have her and pull Fugue if you already have RM.

[@drakehound2244]

For new Players why is Ruan Mei really so META aside from Buffs, she gives huge Action DELAY on break. so does Fugue. there are two mechanic truely broken in HSR Action Advance and Action Delay. And Ruan Mei will stay META cause of her huge number of Action Delay that works in any team. (much better then Fugue). Same reason Robin is broken cause of her 100% action advance allowing your whole party to take a whole turn. sometimes I wonder why people never can point the finger on why Robin and Ruan Mei are the sure bet. one of the reason Ruan Mei and Fugue works so well together. cause once something is broken, Enemies will never take a turn.

[@saladwithasideof]

cant wait 2 watch

[@drakehound2244]

You know how GOOD Fugue is, when people are comparing her to Ruan Mei. (one of the two top META support the other is Robin) but Fugue needs to be in Break teams. Oh really? with only two characters who enable Super Break for all, one is HMC and other is Fugue, oh what made HMC really good for NEW teams? that all the other Trail Blazer didn't do? So even if you didn't had break characters. Super Break Damage bonus, that flash on the screen and upped your DPS numbers. so for the entire RED BAR duration you had bonus damage. I am really thinking most of the HSR guides videos are full of garbage, and not really explaining anything at all. just play meta team instead of playing oh my I start the game level to 80 have to make a mismatch team. and never tried hybrid teams cause I have enough resources and money.

[@GokaikillerTobi]

They're being compared because ruan mei offers more while fugue needs more just to do a fraction of what ruan mei does

[@hoangvinh1485]

I would only recommend pulling if u want to play break team. If you dont have sunday/robin ruan mei is better. If you already have either of those fugue is better. However u can just get both or get e1 fugue

[@drakehound2244]

Stop promoting E1 fugue (that modifier should have been in Fugue kit)... it increases the damage a lot, but not worth the money, it is either E0 or E2. E1 only works if you can break enemies. what happens if you can't break enemies, but E1 makes her like Ruan Mei buff, well E2 makes her past Ruan Mei in giving the broken DDD (need 5 impose) or Action Advance whole party. so if you can't afford E2 just pull E0 that is it. cheapest on the budget and market. if you really like her after playing around, you can always decide to pull E2 if she ever get a rerun (only 40% pulled for Lingsha, I am sure roughly 25% will only pull for Fugue, cause of all the slander and regret it)

[@hoangvinh1485]

​@@drakehound2244I dont get what you're arguing lol, but thinking her E1 is not worth is kinda wild when ruan mei only value rn is weakness break efficiency for break team e1 is literally 2 characters in one slot, it opens so many comp. Meanwhile E2 needs really fast build to get value out of it and even then hmc with just DDD already does that better cus fugue takes forever to charge. Thats why i specificly said if you already have robin sunday, ruan mei might not be worth pulling for cus u can just get e1 fugue and be fine

[@leasting]

I really want Fugue but with Big Hat Herta coming, the timing is pretty bad. But also Fugue's rerun will probably be pretty far away since we're moving away from break. It's tough!

[@iAdánn]

Oh.. what will be the next ? I hope it’s dot?

[@squallleonhart1463]

Rmc isnt even as strong like hmc so there is no issue, fugue wont need to replace him

[@tommy757591]

I'm pulling fugue I don't have Ruan Mei and she's pretty dated and her kit is generic in my opinion. You can guarantee she'll be power creeped pretty soon and I think pulling her would be a mistake vs. saving. I think fugue is being underestimated too.

[@Gilaboyful]

Why not both?

[@lauramarceladuranpineros1265]

Not enough pulls 😢

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

This video is for those who either can’t get both and want to weigh up their options, that said I’m here despite getting both is to check out and lil refresh myself of the value they’d hold for my account lmao

[@Marbeary]

Regardless My Derp Lingsha Main Super break DPS/Sustain Team is ready. Lingsha HMC Ruan Mei and Fugue

[@LeftyPencil]

19:05 Makes erudtion/blast not care about matching weakness I dont want Ruan Mei, so Fugue it is. Probably E2S0 and share JQ cone Just gonna wing it, she might help brute forcing and has DDD built into E2.

[@nikyu.106]

For e2 fugue you really want to use tutorial lc

[@legendredux1291]

Simple u run em both

[@CapyDbararara]

They shudve added some effect to her ult that wasnt so useless. Some minor effect like 10% atk def or spd reduction, or action delay, or res pen or sth. Just sth small. Or heck, even a dot, or a break scalling dot. 😅

[@mizushirokanon9174]

We not discriminate against ol.. Slightly longer characters 😂

[@Aiolet]

Why can't I use all 3 break supports? Would it not maximize my Firefly's damage? I already do 350k each enhanced skill so would I not be able to kill enemies faster than they can kill me? Break units are already tanky because they scale only on break effect and lots of speed.

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

You definitely can, triple support for a hypercarry break comp is great if you can afford it. This vid is more for those who can’t do that or are new and need to consider the pros and cons

[@automato436]

I'm just here to claim E2 Firefly 🥺

[@raven-x5n]

Both? Both is good. 😅

[@aaronmorgan5860]

EODGamer might want to talk about the units coming out for 3.0. Specifically The Herta and Aglaea. Fugue enables superbreak, but is not a dps unit. The question is do we double down on super break or choose a new dps who doesn't require superbreak mechanic?

[@jisforjae]

Well they’re not out yet, so why would he be talking about them now?

[@adityawahyu9198]

Fugue or the herta 😁

[@robkoh7290]

But Mr. Gamer, what if I have Ruan Mei already and really want The Herta?

[@hal0ist]

Ignoring any possibility of direct character powercreep in the future and assuming you never pull for eidolons, if you have a decent understanding of how superbreak works, Ruan Mei is easily the go-to choice to pull for out of the two. If you don't break the enemy, you ain't dealing superbreak dmg, so break efficiency is of very high value. Toughness recovery delay then adds more value on top of that. If you need a superbreak enabler, HMC exists. As long as you're running any 1 of the limited superbreakers, you will have access to either implants or colourless break, so there's even less reason to pull Fugue. The situation only changes if you have Lingsha, or want to improve Rappa/Boothill/Himeko superbreak. As an E0S0 Firefly haver with E0S0 Lingsha, I can tell you that running HMC as the superbreak enabler turns this team into an SP black hole. You'll never be able to play this team to its full potential without Fugue replacing HMC and improving your SP economy. Solo Lingsha superbreak is also impossible without Fugue unless you're only fighting fire weak enemies. As for Rappa/Boothill/Himeko improvements, these 3 characters benefit from more break procs (not superbreak), so Fugue helps with that through exo-toughness. All in all, Fugue is a secondary consideration to superbreak with the current meta.

[@tipusensei]

Nah fugue is just a place holder in the team for her exo toughness trace. Ruan mei works is way more teams than her.

[@MapleYum]

I’m still wavering between Sunday and Fugue. I know Fugue will keep my Break team relevant longer, I still don’t feel confident in Sunday because Remembrance is an unknown quantity.

[@rosedaniels2119]

Sunday makes Acheron more powerful too 😅 so will Fugue Break Acheron 😅

[@drakehound2244]

Sunday needs E0S1 that is it, but pull Sunday if you LOVE him as Character, Fugue only needs E0S0 so is a new player and lynchpin. Fugue is fools proof for new players as SP regainer allowing their teams to Double DPS or 1 Main Dpser and 1 Heavy Skill user. But all in all pull the character you LOVE the most, so if both doesn't really trigger your I must have him or her, then do not pull for them, just look at your team are both team functioning, or do you want to improve one of the two teams. what do you really need that you say I need to improve it to gain more jades.

[@blancka4200]

​@@drakehound2244 Bruh, Sunday's LC ain't THAT necessary. He's already SP neutral at E0S0. And both are very good units for new players. So, it all boils down to liking the character, and ofc to future-proofing your account

[@drakehound2244]

@@blancka4200 Dude stop spamming garbage, how can he be SP neutral when he needs his Ultimate to make his skill cost 0. then you still have to pay 1 Skill point to activate your DPSER skill, so you will be -1 skill point, people never played Bronya it seems. why she is so Skill point costly. so next time play the game instead of theory crafting nonesense, you action advance your Main Dpser you still need to pay the Skill points to do damage. or you going to basic attack all the way.

[@letsgo1572]

​@@rosedaniels2119 he doesn't. Only at her e2, no harmony is good pre e2.

[@LCardosed92]

Fast Answer: Ruan Mei

[@lawrence5164]

Ruan mei is just too good for a unit, not even designed to be a break/super break support, yet still the staple unit for the trope and crit also dot teams, and all her buffs are team-wide that my acheron e0-jq-nihility team often runs sustainless in previous mocs (especially with the 3-dolls enemy). I think hsr does overtune her too much from the start. Fugue on the other hand is still a must pull, not to compete with the flexibleness as ruan mei, but better investment to break-focused teams in the future.

[@nguyenlamle6290]

Just hope that I can get Fugue with my remaining jades after a deep fail for Sunday (used: 160 pulls, left: ~20 pulls) T_T

[@ashy969]

As if these banners were not cruel enough 😢 I hope you get super lucky with those 20 pulls

[@nguyenlamle6290]

@@ashy969 thanks a lot. I also wish you luck.

[@nighthawk47]

👍🏿

[@eugenarioshek70]

FUGUE is the best

[@rubenporto869]

Always Ruan Mei. Y have her e1 and Lightcone and she is a top tier character for many teams

[@tjaymanv3328]

Fugue's ult is so bad. Because it doesn't target the allies, watchmaker 4pc is useless with her. Now I'm forced to put watchmaker onto Sunday in my boothill team

[@hanyuee1160]

Well comparing investment, Ruanmei is much more versatile than Fugue, as she works with non break teams (Fugue can work with Acheron but you’ll get the same or better with Pela so). Some may say her buffing aren’t enough compared to newer harmony, but the fact that she works in duo dps team, offers rare buffs like res pen (meaning she works really well in sustainless teams) still make her very relevant. And also, it’s not everyone that has every harmony units, and having one unit that can work just as well in break teams and in non break teams is cost effective. Plus, unlike Robin who is pretty much the pinnacle for Attack based dps, ruanmei can work with future hpbased or even defense based dps (or whatever stats).

[@drakehound2244]

this is a nonesense myth, Fugue provides even in None Break team. 20% damage boost on Break. (two break bars) Defense Reduction and most important of all 2/3 SP regain that you can't mess up, cause her skill is locked once used. and a Ultimate that ignores Toughness. if enemy is broken she provide Action Delay. two times. and she enables older DPS that has no tougness ignore. to work finally. is she optimal to none META team. like Lingsha sadly no, Lingsha is the most META character ever, sustain dps FUA and bunny who heals cleanse and nuke. she easily replace Aventurine on None Break Team. and even in Achoron Teams she allows the Fox Guy to spam his Skill 2/3 turns meaning more damage from the Fox Guy. if people do not have FOX Guy the Fox Girl does it all too. at cheaper SP cost.

[@heroes8844]

she is way better than pela... She can help u break faster, break twice more, delay boss more, break harder, and turn you into a colorless woke

[@hanyuee1160]

@@drakehound2244 first of all, if we're talking solely about non break teams, what's the point of 20% damage boost on break? Second, defense reduction is only 18%, so it's really not much compared to other nihility units. Thrice, what is completely wrong here is her skill is not locked when used and if it was, it is not at all a plus because it doesn't give you the freedom to change target (but you can so please check her skills before coming to argue). Fourth, what's the use of weakness toughness ignore in non break teams? Not saying it's useless but really not the best argument to make. Fifth, Ruanmei also has a action delay so I don't see why you wrote that poing As a remainder, I'm talking solely about her viability in non break teams compared to Ruanmei, which is what makes her in my opinion less worth investing than Ruanmei. I'm absolutely not saying she is useless, she is a very good unit for break teams, but if the banner was Ruanmei + Fugue, I would have considered Ruanmei to be the better investment.

[@hanyuee1160]

@@heroes8844 hey, I was talking about her use in Acheron team, not talking about her break viability

[@heroes8844]

@hanyuee1160 iam not even talking about break team, do u even read? What character doesnt break? Its basically the mechanic of the game. Now reread what i said.

[@ciofurinone4225]

repeat after me: - Rappa is a BREAK dps, not a superbreak dps. Her DRT is low, her superbreak dmg is not that impressive, her dmg comes from her BREAK dmg from her talent, that's why you don't stack superbreak on her, break efficiency DOES NOT increse her dmg.

[@drakehound2244]

Repeat after ME I can get MORE BONUS DAMAGE each RED bar with EACH SUPER BREAK that counts as seperate DAMAGE source. then talk about DRT and other stuff. till then don't dish Rappa she is GOOD damage dealer with her own sources of Superbreak BONUS damage. look HMC gives Rappa one more, and HMC and FUGUE total gives with Rapa 3 sources of Bonus Damage on the RED BAR.

[@ciofurinone4225]

@drakehound2244 I never said rappa is bad. But most people DON'T know how her damage works. Like you. - let's say you roll for Fugue's E1. You don't need to mark rappa even to increase her DRT. Because break damage only cares about the enemie total toughness bar. So it's still better to mark lingsha, to increase her dmg and how much she contributes for breaking the enemies toughness. - let's say they release a new character that increases dmg for other means, you wouldn't lose much replacing Ruan Mei, because her break efficiency does not increase rappa total damage. As long as you can still break enemy toughness just as good, Ruan Mei only buff to rappa is her 25% res pen and 20% break effect.

[@drakehound2244]

@@ciofurinone4225 You do not Mark Rappa unless you want to Push Rappa with 30 more Break. you Mark a DPSER without toughness reduction most of the old Dpser don't have toughness reduction. (and they made it fools proof) that is the reason Fugue is a must have for F2P or New Players (who don't have the meta team yets or cause of losing 50/50 they get a old character), honestly I think we both understand what we are talking about my Apology for my harsh reply. Ruan Mei will not be replaced, cause her character is SP positive and her Action delay is the biggest on the market. infact with Fugue and HMC they push 110% action delay on any enemies allowing sustainless team to work. but if you do not have Ruan Mei, Fugue is there for people who are NEW, even for veteran players Fugue enables a lot of combinations with Ruan Mei what previously wasn't possible, the rebirth of Himeko says enough, the ability to make DHIL better (a SP regainer and toughness reduction given to DHIL to up his costly Basic Attack SP) let people finally play their favorite. cause all in all Fugue is boring, but buffs damage up a lot with Passives. E1 is more for people who want to up their damage even more, but as I said go for E0 or E2, don't be baited in E1 incase they decide to make Sanctuary Enemies galore. future proof your team for any shitty situation Hoyo throws at you, that means pulling Lingsha Fugue and the Herta at E0, unless you hate their looks. (never pull a character you don't like. cause the grind is too terrible the mats is too bricked, that you only feel depressed)

[@user-mg4rc1qw6w]

​@@drakehound2244 I'm really curious to know why would anyone pull for fugue for dhil when sunday (his bis support) is in the same patch tho

[@ashy969]

Fugue is such a confusing character. It looks like she is a superbreak support who got released at the time when this team type will loose relevance. And while she is a superbreak support, she is Nihility. Which is super weird... And for a seemingly meh, niche support she has a surprisingly beautiful design... And she is the 5star version of a very much beloved character. Which all the more makes it seem her kit and release time as a waste... So, I can totally believe that she will be one of those "damn, so she is a must pull after all" characters.... I have Rappa and no RuanMei... And I have E0 Acheron (who I will main overworld till I die - don't care if she gets weak!). So maybe pullong for Fugue will not be a loss after all... But then, I want TheHerta... However, I don't want Agalea (for now😅) And maybe Fugue will pair well with Anaxa and Castorice? Those two I'll get no matter what!!!

[@drakehound2244]

Pull for Acheron if that is your main, Fox Girl replace Fox Guy, but if you later on get FOX guy, Fugue enables Fox Guy to be the MAIN DPS aside from Acheron. cause of toughness ignore and SP regainer (fugue you can't even spam her skill it is locked once used for 3 turn) and Fugue enables a debuff too. sad thing about Fugue or else she was perfect, that her traces are locked to give BREAK... (where is that HSR play the game your own way, where is my attack buffs multiplier so I can make another DPSER Fugue)

[@vizzyboi1829]

TL;DR: If you're f2p and don't have RM, get RM. If you have RM, get Tingyun. RM is the single most universal buffer in the game and can fit literally in all teams. Tingyun can only be played if you're going to go for Break teams.

[@HoKaung]

Something is missing

[@Sethstrat]

Ruan Mei havers will be Fugue skippers 3.X is loaded with other character and new meta. Sunday (and LC) are way more value in future. Break Mei teams will be fine, always have been and always will be.

[@SniperDoogie]

Ruan Mei wins because Waifu

[@intruder7096]

Thanks bro. Now I've decided to pull for fugue(FF,HMC,Lingsha,Fugue) to replace my e1 bronya.