Dolby Atmos 5.1.2 vs 5.1.4 WORTH the Upgrade? + SVS Prime Elevation Review

[@joentell]

Buy the SVS Prime Elevations at SVS: bit.ly/SVSPrimeElevationSVS Buy the SVS Prime Elevations on Amazon: bit.ly/SVSPrimeElevationAmz Techno Dad's Dolby Atmos Review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3OnpYx3ebF1iqM Slight Correction: The Prime Satellite System I showed at the end uses the Prime Satellites by default which are similar, but have a different mounting system and are less expensive. Still a good solution and you can still opt to buy the Prime Elevations with that system. Disclaimer: The Affiliate links above earn me a commission if you purchase using those links. This is at no additional cost to you. SVS sent these free for me to review.

[@Youthman]

Great job on the installation Joe. I love how you demonstrate that regardless of the size or limitations of your room, you can make the best of it. You've got my thumbs up. ;)

[@joentell]

Cali living man. I'll get that nice pad with a dedicated theater soon enough.

[@photoengineering1412]

The limitation is never the room size... but your wife

[@joentell]

😂 not in my case, but I know that's the case for some people.

[@Marcel-ex3jd]

I have 4 svs prime elevation and 2 svs ultra surround and wharfedale center and 2 front and 2 rear and yamaha ystw 800w and Denon 4700H and clown xls 1502 and Samsung 65 inch 8k picture . 7.1.4 and happy I planning buy for emotiva basx A700 and A400 😁 I Cummings from Holland Thats is my favoriete Hobby 🇳🇱👍😀👍🇳🇱

[@BloopsnBleeps]

@@photoengineering1412 Or neighbors

[@JoeBob79569]

I've got an Atmos 5.1.2 setup, kind of cheap, and a bit of a Frankenstein setup of different pairs of speakers, but I always give the top and rear speakers a few extra notches of volume after calibration. It's probable not the most accurate recreation, and not as the sound engineers intended, but if I have ceiling speakers I want to be damn sure I hear them! Perhaps in time I'll lower the volume a little if they ever get overpowering, but at the moment it's still a bit of a novelty to hear things flying around the place, and plus it freaks out the cats..

[@qua7771]

I have matching speakers, and do the same. Actually 6.2.2. With the surrounds to the side, and a single rear. I turn up the height, and rear because I think they're hard to hear the way the engineers mix atmos.

[@bryanguest2807]

The biggest difference between 5.1.2 and 5.1.4 is the extra $1000 you will spend looking for a 9 channel receiver.

[@syoung20001]

False

[@michael-4k4000]

Double false. Q990c HT-A9😊

[@jabby305]

Found a used Denon 4400 for $600, just gotta be patient on Craigslist/Reverb

[@Enoch-Root]

Eh, that's why I've gone for a decent receiver. Getting the Denon X3800H because I want 5.1.4, though it can do 5.4.4 Anything else would be absurd for me given the small room I have.

[@floz9718]

@@Enoch-Root It could even do 7.4.4. but you'd have to us an external amplifier for two channels.

[@stopthefomo]

The additional speakers are adding spatial cues like subtle reverb and reflections. This is why having controlled directivity is so important in home theater speakers (or so says Dr. F. Toole)

[@joentell]

Yes. More speakers = more discrete channels = more precise placement. In my case, its as simple as the helicopter can has 4 height speakers to go to vs 2. I know they often times will use the surround speakers and front speaker to assist with placing an object in space where there aren't speakers, but it's always helpful when there actually are speakers.

[@chinnana583]

Yes, there is a considerable/noticeable difference between 2 speaker setup and 4 speaker ATMOS setup. I recently upgraded my home theater from 7.1.2 to 7.1.4 with all same speakers in the ceiling pointed at correct angle for 2 rows of seats. After calibration, it sounds very good, I observed immediate difference, and better sound field definition. Even with Dolby ATMOS Amaze rain test track, rain is more believable and provided complete sound envelop.

[@randyreinninger6826]

I have the Marantz 7012 using 4 Onkyo Integra M-504 amplifiers all Klipsch speakers towers for rear surrounds 4 R-51M for atmos speakers using heavy duty speaker brackets. 4 Klipsch 12 subs and 1 Klipsch 15 sub . Unbelievable sound. And I do have a complete JBL speaker system I swap out ever so often. There awesome also.

[@TheReverendSlim]

I just put 4 of these on my ceiling for my all-SVS 7.1.4 setup (Prime Towers/Center up front, Prime Satellite surrounds, old 20-39CS Plus sub). Due to where the beams run in my ceiling and where my A/C vents are, my placement ended up at about 37 degrees within the 30-55 degree tolerance in the front and 143 degrees within the 125-150 degree rear tolerance (so a little further forward/back than would be ideal). I found that same dip in response that you noted from being above the tweeter, though post-Audyssey it seems to be a non-issue (and falls right at the point where Audyssey's midrange compensation occurs anyway). The angle on the face of the speaker works, but I can't help but think that about 10 more degrees might have made these better for rooms with 8 foot ceilings, whether ceiling mounted or side-wall. I also found that given their in-room response, you pretty much have to cross these over at 100Hz. If you go with 80Hz, they roll off too quickly for the transition to the sub to occur smoothly and you end up with a small gap in response. I wish SVS had maybe widened the cabinet slightly so that it had a little more volume and could get just a touch lower. I found the same thing with the Prime Satellites, which don't quite have enough extension to use an 80Hz crossover but transition nicely with 100Hz. Their Prime Wireless speakers (which I have in my gaming setup in another room) use the same driver/tweeter compliment but in a slightly larger cabinet, and those are far better suited to an 80Hz crossover so I wish they had gone with that same cabinet volume here. Of course, when I got everything nailed down and watched the opening race scene in Ready Player One, any minor complaints I had quickly became irrelevant. I highly recommend spinning that scene on UHD if you really want to hear your Elevations at work.

[@manoroid1]

Yep so I started my atmos journey at 5.2.2 and was impressed. I then upgraded to 5.2.4 and was really impressed. But then i felt that i didn't like the surround bleed to the side channels. I now have a dedicated theater with 7.2.4 and what a difference in the 3d bubble. I know most don't have the room for a full 7 bed layer but damn did it make a huge difference.

[@cigarobsession]

I tested 2 then added the other 2 (same in ceiling speakers). All you have to do is disable the front height in your processor and a/b test. You'll hear the big difference. Without at least 4, you don't have a 3d soundfield. It's like trying to get surround sound without rears. It's a noticeable difference and just 2 isn't even worth doing IMO.

[@joentell]

Yes, the sound field isn't as precise with 2, but I don't agree that it isn't worth it. Depending on the mix, your front and rear channels can help steer the front to back imaging.

[@HungryEatNow]

With SB you don't need the height back 2

[@crystalceline]

@@HungryEatNow what do you mean with "SB"?

[@Echo-jg8is]

People can interpret more sound as better sound, especially if primed, I wonder if you were to double the quality of the height speakers and amplification instead of doubling the amps and speakers themselves , then do a blind test...

[@absolutium]

7.2 2 would be a better upgrade ..out of 400 movies we own not even 30 benefit substantially from 4 height channels.. but every one of them fits the 7+2 speaker array seamlessly..

[@MrJjburgess11]

I just did this same upgrade. Went from 2 atmos to 4. And it did make quite a bit of a difference. More than I expected. I have polk audio 8" in ceiling speakers for the atmos . Watching Mad Max Fury Road. Was surprised at how much sound you get out of those 2 extra channels. Definitely worth the upgrade.

[@GorhamWorks]

Great install and demo!! No joke it’s a lot of work and more than a 15 minute job to do a good job. You did a great job! These also look like they’ll have a high significant other acceptance factor!

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

Pretty significant difference between the 2/4 height speaker setup. With 2 the chopper simply pans left and right. With 4 you can hear the helicopter move around in a circular pattern (is this what it is supposed to be?). I also felt like the sound was even wider with 4.

[@joentell]

Exactly what I experienced in person. I originally didn't even know the chopper was going in a circular motion prior to having 4 speakers up!

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

Yea, I didn’t know what to expect. Now I want Atmos speakers. Dang it.

[@adrianbarac3063]

@@joentell Nice demo Joe. But are you hearing much of a difference with movies, or is it really just the demos?

[@joentell]

@@adrianbarac3063 I ended up changing to an Auro3D setup because I was disappointed with a lot of the mixes. I've made several videos about Auro3D

[@PradeepJThoppil]

This video was well done, and done with love. The audio demo was surprisingly effective. I can tell the added impact of adding +2 for a total of 4 atoms speakers.

[@CBaskins420]

Very cool. Nice recording strategy as well. Believe it or not I was able to hear the differences from 2.1 system on my PC. I feel the difference is are more significant than I predicted. Look forward to m0ore vids! :)

[@Elmo6855]

Same. Looking for my headphones when it started playing. I wasn't looking at the screen, but when it switched to 4 I could tell a difference. With 2, it was like stereo but with 4, even on my 2.1, I could hear a difference in tone when it moved front to back.

[@dixter1652]

I like to listen to Dolby Atmos in the 13.1.10 config.... 10 overhead speakers... Using the Smyth Research A16.... thats 24 channels of Dolby Atmos... sounds amazing...

[@davel4449]

Very very nice channel and it's very heartwarming to see youthmen giving props to others work... Makes us love even more youthmen channel! Also really like Andrew Robinson he is mainly the reason why I spend 2700$ Canadian dollar for an Onkyo tx rz50 with full warranty.. Now shopping for best possible thing closest to ceiling speakers and I think I found them ! Was searching for proper placement and installation and found it in this video so thank you brother

[@lsxmatt]

Will these speakers balance on a shelf upside down without tipping forward? I have two tall shelves flanking the tv so I can place these on top of each of them aiming down.

[@joentell]

I just tested it and it does. Use this to make sure it's even more secure! 😉 amzn.to/3UkV5Kk (affiliate link)

[@evilawkeye2215]

Thanks for sharing, great advice especially it doesn’t have to all be high end! I’ve got full set KEF eggs with matching sub, managed to pick up an extra pair of eggs to go 5.1.2 and i’m really impressed

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Good tip about not using these as upfiring speakers. I guarantee some people who didn't want to hang them in their ceiling or sidewall definitely have tried placing them on top of their left and right front speakers. Excellent review as always. Thanks for putting in the hard work and attention to detail on the sound signature of these speakers.

[@joentell]

Thank you as always

[@taxi615]

I've own 4 of these for over a year and they are great. Mounting is easy just a note those rubber mounts don't come with them you have to ask SVS to send them but its free its just annoying that they don't include in the box and it would be more cost effective for SVS if they didn't have to ship separately.

[@robognu5000]

They do come with them now. I got my first pair about 6 months ago and my second pair two months ago. Both pair came with the rubber piece.

[@bmwberto8055]

Love these speakers, just upgraded to these from an old pair of klipsch surrounds I was using as heights.Wasn't expecting much but my wife even noticed the difference immediately from another room. Great job SVS and great review Joe👍

[@DR19X]

did you mount in the ceiling?

[@HarithAhmadDaud]

Yo Joe, you are the truest audio guy on the KZbin-sphere in terms of trying to show others how this stuff works and sounds. I appreciate your efforts when it comes to show how this imaginary surrounding sounds that will elevate our home theater experience. The demos, the tools you get to demo it to us. Love that man.

[@joentell]

I appreciate you tuning in and taking the time to comment.

[@calibre00]

Great timing! I'm planning on the exact upgrade, definitely an improvement on the 2 ch on my headphones, it sounds like its going more in a circle than left to right so worth it to create more of a 'bubble' like they say its now object based audio, so 'placement' of objects can be far more accurate guess. Nice demo!

[@joentell]

It's amazing that you're able to get what they call "externalization" from just headphones.

[@calibre00]

@@joentell i dont know if its in my imagination, I do have pretty accurate psb m4u headphones which are tuned to have a 'room feel' sound but you definitely can tell the sounds 'moving' more around my head with 4ch.

[@joentell]

I also have M4U-8's. Great sound. Paul Barton did a great job tuning those.

[@t41l]

13:08 Kinda wish you would have included that (zero heights) in the test so we could hear the difference. But an interesting video non the less.

[@Kai-Infinity]

Nice video! Can you please let me know what mounting bracket you using @ 5:55 ? I am looking for something without drilling into the speakers. Thanks,

[@KonigKriegD]

9:29 My man nailed it. Doing it well is not easy!

[@qua7771]

Excellent review. Honest, and strait forward without much fluff. The SVS speakers are nice, though im a Kef fan.

[@bingoberra18]

I´ve only been used with 2.0 sound for movies. And trying a 5.1 for a few weeks was for me a bit strange. I didnt like the low centre channel but most of all, I felt like I was listening for effects rather than focusing on the movie which made the movies LESS interesting. Maybe its just cause I was new to it and focused too much on the sound. I was also disappointed in the way the audio engineers/designers had placed sound. Even with a 5.1 it was like 75% centre channel, 20% front speakers and 5% rear, so felt a bit cheated on all the gear. Im back to 2.0 now lol.

[@MrJjburgess11]

It really depends on the soundtrack made for the movie. Action movies will use all the speakers quite a bit. But if its just a drama. Will mostly be your center . The other 4 would just be ambient sounds . Also you have to make sure your levels and distances are set right.

[@bingoberra18]

@@MrJjburgess11 I guess, but testing the 5.1 system I felt like during action scenes they didnt utilise the rear speakers enough. I also feel like even with a drama they could use them for ambient sounds. Like I said cluttering up the room with extra speakers, cables and an AV receiver just felt like a bit much in my flat for what I got out of it. Moving to a house I guess I will still invest in a projector and a decent surround.

[@wumingkkk]

Hi Joe. Thank so much for showing the room size. I have seat up against the wall too because my room is small. But I like what I am seeing in your video. Would like to check if you could share the size of the listening area?

[@stevewithf5847]

May change change your higher Speaker area from Top middle to the Height version. Dolby Atmos allows that, and give your svs speakers in room more space to sound great. My opinion.

[@kaijjukaijju2080]

Love your honesty Joe :) Thanks for the review!

[@mateocarlos2674]

I installed the first ceiling pair behind the couch. Wasn't too impressed, so I installed a second pair in front of the couch, and have run my 7-channel receiver using the front ceiling piair that way for years. Finally I decided not to buy a new receiver, but just to use both ceiling pairs by wiring the L and L together and the R and R together. So two pairs running off a single stereo height output. Still running 5.1.2 but the spread of the speakers in the ceiling creates a much better sound field. Is it precise? no. Does it sound amazing, and create a big sound field? yes.

[@robertrobitaille320]

Have a 5.2.2. with Dolby Atmos now. Agree with you. That even if a movie not Dolby Atmos. Depending on track it still more spacious. My Dolby speaker are central over head. Had two speakers was not convinced. But four in same area with some minor distances. Wow. I be curious to have a 5.2.4. but that will be another time. Thanks for the video.

[@henrichandrew]

Hi, Joe...I manage to upgrade my Onkyo receiver from 7.2 channels to 9.2 channels. I currently plan to set 5.1.2 atmos configuration, but after hearing from your video, the best is using 5.1.4 configuration to have more immersive 360 degree sound experience. I just buy a pair of B&W ceiling speaker and I want to add a pair ceiling speaker to make it 5.1.4 channels. If I buy the different ceiling speaker brand, is that effect the above sound experience? My current ceiling speaker is B&W CCM 664, and I want to pair them with Whardefale WCM 65.... Can I do that or should I buy the new pair of ceiling speaker from B&W also? I choose WCM 65 because it has 1/2 price cheaper than CCM 664. Thank you...

[@nobody1194]

Thanks for the honest review. My impressions are, you liked the speaker, but it's not something that will blow you out of the water since it doesnt have much low frequency extension and I can conculde, at least for myself, these are not worth the price at 800 CDN for a pair or 1600+ tax for 2 pairs. That's a lot of quid...

[@raulgutierrez1501]

Tested both ways. If you have a Dolby Demo this is great. But with all the bad atmos sound mixes in almost all disc realizes, you have to question that added expense. How many times can you listen to a helicopter?

[@joentell]

I hear you on that one. I think it helps with non-atmos content that is up-mixed as well. The bigger upgrade was to go to better speakers imo.

[@SelectiveSocial401]

I have Klipsch up-firing atmos speakers that I keep next to my center channel...I don't have room to put them anywhere else right now. Should I remove the covers to get better sound.

[@mrtuber3491]

Its there an issue with placing them flush against the ceiling or wall because the port is being closed in. I would assume you would need a foot away to give the port room to breath.

[@melraine919]

Good demo Joe N Tell, Thanks for the info... UK

[@robert71457]

good video sir, I'm just upgrading to the Marantz 7013 7.1.4 and will buy either the polks or the svs for my heights, my question is that I don't know if you must maintain a line of sight with the heights or if you can have them misaligned, my living room is quite large and the fireplace mantle is not centered with the rear wall, creating a wider left position. I see this video is 2 years old so i don't know if you're still corresponding to comments. ty

[@spazzychalk]

For 7.2.2 on a Denon x3800h should I have the heights at front left & right or center front & rear of the seat?

[@RobertMartin-hp5we]

Great video jo. Excellent points

[@wfp9378]

Listened to the demo with AirPods… yes I could hear it, but the important thing is can you hear it with your set up 😊

[@shitvalancheofdivercity14-.-88]

I have 7.2.4 and love it. Yamaha RXA 3050 and using it's predecessor RXA 2040 as an amp with Klipsch satellites and subs. Perfection. Spent about $2.7k total. I like your system!

[@vamshhi5535]

0:28 except for subwoofer duty 😂😂😂🤣 Nice review !

[@Niberspace]

I'm so jealous of that ceiling mounting option! I have the KEF atmos speakers and the mounting options are horrible (very British design) so they are almost impossible to mount in the ceiling

[@diamondjiwanpuri]

Does this setup sounds better than in-ceiling speakers? If we install one pair as front heights on the front wall up next to ceiling corner. And the second pair on top of couch in the rear as exactly ur rears. Will the setup sounds ok? Planning to install 4 x klipsch RP-502SA speakers for atmos on ceiling and front combination. Thanks.

[@aboltabol73]

Hello! As these prime elevations can be joined together as Bipole/Dipole speakers, can I use them together (after joining them as Bipole/Dipole) and install as my Auro-3D speaker just above my MLP on the ceiling? My amp is Denon 8500H and currently running in 5.2.4 layout. Thanks much!

[@Darkside_C7]

Thanks for the review!

[@koolrunnings3135]

Enlightening video Joe. How should one place/angle four of these speakers roof mounted (top/rear front)?? Assuming your couch is approx. four/five feet from the rear wall.

[@joentell]

I'm inclined to say you'll get a better response in your listening position with the tweeter facing in towards each other with your listening position not directly underneath the speakers. Another way to think it is to point the tweeter away from the nearest side or back wall. The goal is to avoid nearby first reflections as much as possible, but if you can't avoid it, make sure the tweeter is as far as possible from that reflection point and reflect the sound below the tweeter where the sound blends more smoothly with the woofer. That way, your reflecting a sound that had a better response.

[@koolrunnings3135]

@@joentell Thank you. I was contemplating 2 or 4, now decided on 4 on watching the vid. Also, a good way to utilize the 9 chs of my AVR rather than the 5 used.

[@charleyweinhardt]

watching this with stereo upmix from computer to denon 4400h: neural X, 4 top heights, came through perfectly 👍

[@thomassiegers3007]

I was thinking of using 4 paradigm millenia 1 satellite speakers on the Chelling are thy good speakers would it be good

[@randyreinninger6826]

Without all channels you missing what the technology was put in place. You gotta turn up the atmos channels. I get lots of atmos sound on every movie I watch. I fought this for over a year and I had enough cause I knew it had to be better. And now it kicks ass . Same thing with rear surrounds. My system is awesome now.

[@superchargedx8058]

What is your setup ?

[@TheMonish1988]

I have 5.1 Bose acoustic mass 10 with 7.2 Yamaha Dolby Atmos amplifier . Now I can add two extra ceiling speakers not 4 . So where do you suggest to place my 2 speaker . I have already bought svs elevation speaker but dono where to do the placement

[@dbbfishing2528]

Joe I was told to use bipole speakers as my Atmos speakers, would you recommend that?

[@joentell]

I don't think that would be great. If you have to, just try it. I would just imagine it would diffuse the sound when you may want more precise imaging for some of the height effects.

[@dbbfishing2528]

@@joentell thanks! Yeah that’s kinda what I was thinking but the guy at Store was telling me I that I could use them

[@yogabyaakaash]

The ceiling Atmos speakers should be mounted vertically or horizontally?

[@kratoslostson3427]

Thank you so much for showing how to install on the ceiling. and that just using 2 screws on a stud is enough to hold them up there.

[@hermangaviria690]

Couldn't you have a 7.1.4 with your current set up? Your surrounds seem to be better suited for rear surround, then have the actual surrounds (different pair) be at a sight angle infront of you

[@R3LAPS3productions]

What's the difference between speaker size? I noticed in your settings you had your speaker size on small but the speaker you have doesn't actually look small. Is there an advantage to setting speaker size to small?

[@adnan4863]

It refers to the frequency response. Small speakers hand off low frequency (bass/LFE) signals to your sub.

[@jamieteestudio]

Just checking if I have double height ceiling, where should place those atoms speakers? Could I located to the wall and pointed to where we sit?

[@joentell]

Check out this video from Home Theater Gurus. Let him know I sent you. ;-) kzbin.info/www/bejne/gV7Vcpuvp792paM

[@crazydwarfer]

IS there a way to do 5.1.4 when the couch is against the wall? I really cannot move it even a feet into the room.

[@miguelalejandro5844]

Tengo sonus faber de techo y quiero poner otros dos como tu no tengo espacio trasero actualmente tengo 5.1.2 empotrados en el techo pero quiero hacer 5.1.4 se aprecia diferencia?

[@joentell]

There is a difference since there's front to back height movement.

[@NES088]

Where did you get the helicopter atmos demo?

[@VioletGiraffe]

So if you have an Atmos setup, even stereo music with upmixing will use those height channels? It won't be limited to just the 5 or 7 ground-level channels?

[@joentell]

Yes it upmixes and uses the heights.

[@StarcraftGT500]

What wire "runners" are you using on the ceiling? I'm trying to figure out best thing to use for that.

[@WinrichNaujoks]

I'm about to go from 5.2.2 to 5.4.2. Previously I never really noticed when the height speakers were on. But as I had to spend 2000€ on a new 9.2 equipped AVR and the two extra speakers, this upgrade had better be worth it!

[@lawpenner]

You mean you will go to 5.2.4

[@bobbyDig]

You need four height channels to give Atmos Objects movement.

[@Soundsolution1010]

Totally confused.... 🤔 which audio FOARMAT.is good... Auro 3D or Dolbyatmos. DTS X.!!!?

[@adammusic1124]

Another great review, thanks for this... Just one question I wish to clarify, what do you mean by being above, below or to the side of the tweeter? As these speakers are above you on the ceiling, I'm trying to wrap my head around where the best response will be and you mentioned "try not to be above the tweeter" and just cannot picture what you mean in my head (yep call me stupid LOL)... 🙂

[@jamesmoore8435]

Will you explain “above the tweeter and below the tweeter”

[@joentell]

Sure. I'm referring to the height of the speaker in most cases. If you have the speaker below ear level, you will be above the tweeter. If the speaker is above ear height, you will be below the tweeter. Angling the speaker upwards (rake angle) also helps if you can't place the speaker higher If the speaker is on the wall above your ears, but it's upside-down, where the tweeter is closer to the floor than the woofer, then everything is the opposite and you would be above the tweeter. In other words, it just depends if the tweeter or woofer is closer to you. With most speakers, you want the woofer equal distance to or closer to you than the tweeter.

[@jamesmoore8435]

Thank you for the fast and thorough reply and great video

[@chidoche88]

Awesome job. Was wondering what av receiver are you using?

[@FURognar]

You need to redo this with 6 height channels and compare the added Top-Middle vs 5 heigts with a VoG

[@carbonoxx]

hey joe, i need your help i have all kef q serie speaker, just missing the dolby atmos.....its a good idea to go with cheaper speaker like the elac or klipsch dolby atmos one...........since the kef are pretty expensive

[@joentell]

You're gonna hate me for this, but I changed my system to an Auro layout. I made this video.kzbin.info/www/bejne/labSdolujbaKjbM Of course, matching all of your speakers is ideal. When you can't, get something at least has a similar tonality. A good room calibration system like Dirac helps with that.

[@Echo-jg8is]

How does having a predetermined angle on a speaker helpful when a simple $1 bracket will give you hundreds of positions instead of just ONE? Also love wall mounted speakers with rear ports on them... Priceless design... SVS rules.

[@bric7244]

I def heard a difference in two to the four. Def more depth. Not a bad price either on them. I would of bought them but went with klipsch 500 sa for double the price unfortunately 😕

[@bingobaz6402]

I can’t do it as my av receiver only accepts the two. Which av receiver do you use? Mines is Sony str dn 1080

[@9canadianboy]

I'm going to end up with 7ft 7in ceiling height. Will this work at all?

[@harta_1509]

Hey Joe! What about from 4 to 6 ceiling speakers? My room is 13ft wide , 23ft long. Will this help a lot ?

[@RQuinton79]

I have and am stuck with a 9 channel system. I’m moving rooms and now have the chance to add Atmos. Any recommendations concerning going either 7.2.2 or 5.2.4? I know 4 speaker Atmos is more ideal, but it seems 7.1 is much more common. I do have five feet behind me to have actual rear speakers. Also, Atmos will be ceiling speakers, but not ceiling wired (will use speaker wire channels to hide cables), so prewiring is unnecessary.

[@joentell]

Sorry, I've never had 7.1 so I cant say.

[@loveracing1988]

See if you can get an external amp to go to 11 speakers.

[@laurencemfee9184]

Hi i know this an very old vid but was wondering why you didn't toe in your height speakers. I have a 7.1.4 setup but have all my speakers toed in to my main seating position. Is this wrong ?

[@joentell]

You can do it like that, but the measurement of these speakers show that the worst response is above the tweeter and the best response is to the sides.

[@richardsannicolas5731]

Hows it. Just wondering how or where can you get dolby atmos demos. I finally jump the gun and upgraded my onkyo 7.1 to a denon 7.2(5.2.2) with dolby atmos and dtsx system. Also upgraded to all klipsch speakers. Tried watching dolby atmos on youtube but could not here atmos. Thx

[@joentell]

No Atmos on KZbin. Try Vudu or Disney+ maybe.

[@cubinn149]

My system played very well when the 5.1.2 sound was played as thats my configuration

[@chrismitch1854]

Hi Joe, well done on the setup with the great video. Where can I get the Helicopter demo ?

[@Surindersd57]

What are thoughts on Polk OWM3/5 as Dolby Atmos speakers when compared to SVS elevation speakers?

[@joentell]

Sorry, never got a chance to test those. Heard good things though! Maybe I'll request some.

[@hometheaterjoe9489]

Awesome video Other Joe!! I can hardly wait to get 4 height channels up and running, two aren’t doing it for me… BOOM!!

[@weldsmoke1]

I have the exact same setup as you I don't have any room behind my couch so I got to have the back ones directly down on my head. The front ones I did move forward a little bit pointing right at us. Seems to work pretty good I had a question for you what crossover frequency do you use for your elevations

[@joentell]

System detected 80hz so I left it there

[@AexoeroV]

Hello Joe! I have those Micca Cova S as my two height speakers! How much better than Micca are the Prime Elevation? Svs are 10 times more expensive but how much better can they be than the Covo S?

[@joentell]

They're honestly a lot clearer and can play louder. I actually like the Monolith THX Compact Satellites speakers the most. I've done a review of them. I like them because they're concentric like the Covo-S

[@AexoeroV]

@@joentell yeah but are the SVS Elevation 10 times clearer? I think they are overpriced, many speakers are just way overpriced!! I think i seen Techno Dad's vid about the Monoliths, low sensibility and 4 ohms, dunno how well they could perform.

[@joentell]

@@AexoeroV it's going to depend on your room size, but I even use the Monoliths in my 20x20x9 ft theater. It's way above the recommended size for the speakers, but because they're crossed over at 80hz and the level of heights is typically lower than the main speakers, I haven't had any issues with them not being able to play loud enough.

[@AexoeroV]

@@joentell if we are talking about concentric speakers, have you tested the KEF Q50a? In my country they are like 130 USD cheaper than the SVS Prime Elevations. I would like to change my Micca Covos for other speakers as ny height but im afraid I'll pay 10 x the price of them and ill get maybe a 2 x upgrade in sound. I also looked at the Goldenear SuperSat 50, why are those so expensive i dont really know. Unfortunately i cant listen to any prior to buy, no audio showrooms where i live. My room is small too!

[@joentell]

@@AexoeroV I haven't tested the KEF's they're probably going to be a good option. They have a track record of making great products.

[@adamjj85]

Great demo! You can totally hear the difference with IEM's. That is a bit unfortunate on the low end as they are spec'd to 55hz. The Prime Satellites have a similar issue where they say 69hz but Sound and Vision measured -3db at 98hz...

[@joentell]

Yeah, I think that rating is exaggerated. Typically, an in-room measurement helps the measured bass response. Glad you could hear them on your IEM's.

[@chinnana583]

I observed the same. Bought a pair their Prime Satellites based on their spec for bed room, and turned out it was very bad idea. SVS Prime Sats Replaced Deftech Promonitor 800s, and sounded worst than those, though louder than deftech. I didn't want to use Sub in bedroom, so boosted low-end with Audyssey XT32 calibration, they were huffing/puffing and shouty. Not good at all. Not sure how and where they are getting this 55hz+- 3db spec from. I was expecting at least into 70hz.. but these needs to cross-over at 100-120Hz range to sound decent.

[@adamjj85]

@@joentell Have you experimented with crossovers? Does 80hz get the job done or do you think it should be higher for these?

[@donjaun540]

Pretty nice but I was wondering should the speakers be spaced further forward? Give you a more forward spaciousness?

[@joentell]

Not according to the Dolby specifications. They show the recommended angles to the listening position

[@donjaun540]

@@joentell Thank you Joe. Hope you are enjoying.

[@PantelisKosmas]

Lol at the Dad joke alert! Thanks for this video, it was really helpful. I've been thinking of upgrading from a regular 5.1 to either 5.1.2 or 5.1.4. I love seeing a video from a dad like me who has the same exact stud finder, small space, etc. I even watched that same Techno Dad video you referenced right before this haha.

[@henryconga58]

Awesome video bro!

[@joentell]

Thanks Henry. Glad you liked it.

[@shitvalancheofdivercity14-.-88]

Your helicopter demonstration actually comes through on my system like its supposed to! I was happily surprised!

[@Fajah69]

$249 per piece for the SVS elevation speakers omg. I bought 4 eBay Bose 100s. Are the Atmos streams really that high detail that you need very nice/expensive speakers?

[@joentell]

I've seen a lot of people use some Polk ones that are less expensive and they seem pretty happy with them

[@brendanvinsent6069]

In a 5.1.4 setup, may I know if the surround speakers should be placed in front or behind the top rear speakers?

[@joentell]

I recently made a video about doing an Auro layout and I would recommend you check that video out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/labSdolujbaKjbM

[@brendanvinsent6069]

@@joentell Thanks Joe, that was an informative video. However I have already set up my room following the Atmos layout using 4 in ceiling speakers so it would be difficult to change to it to the Auro 3-D layout now. In an Atmos layout, would you recommend to place the surround speakers in front or behind the top rear in ceiling speakers?

[@joentell]

@@brendanvinsent6069 it depends on your room. I've found side surrounds to be very easy to locate which can sometimes be distracting, but sometimes impressive. Gotta experiment.

[@exovitae]

Hello, so the Micca Covo S arent very great for height channels?

[@joentell]

I think the Monolith THX Compact Satellites I reviewed are much better

[@exovitae]

@@joentell thanks for the reply! I seen that review of yours, 4ohms and low sensitivity, dunno what to say. I like that the Covos have a thread and can be mounted on ball swivel brackets. Have you got a chance to listen to the Goldenear Supersat 3 or 50s? Those can me mounted on ball swivel brackets as well but i dont know why they are so expensive!

[@idzkk]

demo was awesome. i think the mic is premium.

[@dk4wncp]

What a useful video. Unfortunately in your binaural portion you didn't provide a reference! Ie we need to first hear your L & R speakers so we would then have a reference to gauge the height effect.

[@mattr8750]

"SVS makes subs" is an epic understatement.

[@lyndonramchatesingh105]

Hey Joe is that denon receiver the avr s750 better than onkyo tx nr696 n Yamaha tsr 700 from Costco looking to get one but costco is out of stock

[@joentell]

I haven't tried Onkyo in a while. I usually recommend Denon because of Audyssey. The new Onkyo and Pioneer receivers will have DIRAC which I like a lot.

[@lyndonramchatesingh105]

Joe what u think about d Yamaha tsr 700 from Costco what's ur take on it

[@lyndonramchatesingh105]

Also will u change from denon and try the new onkyo 7100tx or their new rx model when it releases

[@lyndonramchatesingh105]

Hey joe & tell which would u choose between Yamaha rx v6a or denon x2700h which sounds best n using kef q350

[@joentell]

I don't know anything about the Yamaha