Ep. 182 - Caleb Carr: The Curse of Knowledge

By the time you finish reading this, everything I’m about to tell you will already be over.
What you choose to do with it is up to you.
Caleb Carr was beaten as a child. His father, Lucien Carr, was an Ivy League boy, friends with Jack Kerouac, William S. Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg.
They were the rebels of society. Known as The Beat Generation. But Caleb reminded me of their other legacy…
“My father gets arrested for murder. Jack gets arrested for accessory because he helped hide the weapon…”
“And then Burroughs, of course, shoots his wife down in Mexico.”
“My father’s murder case gave their movement a type of darkness and gravitas it wouldn’t have otherwise had.”
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“All of these cycles, all of these abusive things are cyclical,” Caleb said.
His father didn’t get the help he needed. He didn't get the help he needed. “It's one of the reasons I never had children myself.”
I didn’t understand at first.
Caleb has the awareness. He understands the cycle. So I asked, “Don't you think if you had children, you would have been able to hold yourself back?”
“I simply could not trust that,” he said.
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As adults, we look at our lives and question what happened and why? We pick at our scabs and then wonder why we’re bleeding.
What’s done is done. And how you choose to live with it is your legacy.
So Caleb writes. And between the intersection of abuse and history, he found relief.
Caleb’s latest book, “Survivor, New York” begins with “The Curse of Knowledge,” It’s the idea that once you know something you can’t unknow it… pain, loss, grief.
No pain heals without air. Eventually, the bandaid gets soggy. And the cut below turns green.
That’s when I start reading. Caleb’s books are the air.
Keep reading to learn three lessons from the brilliant, historical novelist, Caleb Carr. Two will give you relief. One will not...
1. History can save you.
A lot of people write thrillers. But Caleb wasn’t sure how he’d set himself apart. But he found a simple solution.
Training + Interest = Success
Caleb is a trained historian. He has an interest in serial killer novels. And now he’s a bestselling author. He writes historical thrillers where characters like Theodore Roosevelt and Alexander Hamilton rescue neglected children from serial killers.
2. Pain reinvented is freedom.
Caleb needed to write... (as all writers do).
But he didn’t want to write a memoir like his father’s pack. He tried it once. “I found the experience incredibly creepy.”
So he found fiction.
Caleb said he’s not depressed but feels “intense melancholia.” “It’s a dark, dark place you go.”
“Are you able to function with it?” I asked.
“Oh yeah,” he said, “that’s when I work.”
3. Always end on a cliffhanger
Every unresolved problem in my life is a cliffhanger.Cliffhangers keep the story going. They create chaos. So I just stay curious.
Caleb told me the warning signs of a serial killer: childhood violence, torture against animals, fires.
“I loved starting fires,” he said. “I set my house on fire when I was four years old. It was the only time my father didn’t hit me.”
I later asked if he has sociopathic tendencies… “functional sociopathic tendencies.”
“Ummmm…”
He was thinking about it.
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[@EliasMoore-t9n]

Caleb Carr always gave an interesting interview. He was so intelligent and knowledgeable. A brilliant man. RIP, Mr. Carr.

[@KlassicKolt5612]

Thank you for posting this! Rest in peace, Mr. Carr.

[@sueryful]

Fascinating interview!

[@patriciaklee4045]

Think you for posting this!!. Travel on in peace Caleb and Masha.

[@janackova]

You should have a search function on your website. Would help.

[@PS-js9oh]

Control terrorism at the border ?....LOL RIP Mr. Carr ....pet masha

[@janackova]

If this was done in January 2024 he already had his memoir written. Why didn’t he talk of it? Was there a gag order? He pre taped press for it back in October of 2023. The press was released while he was seriously ill. Unless this wasn’t taped n January. Was it taped in 2016? Very confused. So I’m going go say this was 2016. Was it?

[@TheJamesAltucherShow]

This was recorded a couple of years pre-lock down. And KZbin just populated it in the channel this year or so... Unfortunately KZbin doesn't show the original date when it was recorded.