Ep 251 HEZBON ODIERO part 1 - GETTING CHARGED FOR THE 1982 COUP

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[@soloibrahim9673]

This soldier is talking sense iko kitu ana jua politics is a dirty game .

[@IkoNini]

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[@vctor6768]

Leshan was taken at Gunpoint...this guy is confused

[@lucymaina9236]

My late husband was soldier stationed at langata barracks and became a victim of circumstance, jailed for four years at kingongo maximum prison for nothing.Thereafter he got out of prison totally depressed, lost his job and benefits and to cut the long story short he died miserably leaving us with nothing.He had served in the army for nine solid years

[@stephenajwang1593]

This was unfortunate

[@mussumbafelix]

so so sorry, I wish he did some investments

[@stevenyanaro7995]

Sorry

[@pmashaa1116]

Ji-Tenge and Odiero need to seat at a round table and exchange their experiences that will be very rich for History buffs

[@dennohtobby]

Me 2

[@vctor6768]

I trust ji-tenge this guy is confused

[@Bakora965]

I love how these old timers are bringing up history. Mwafrika digging from the Archives 🙏

[@KushMuhoreri]

I never thought it could get this interesting. It seems there is a lot of information out there that needs to be dug up! Shukran Mwaf for always raising the bar.

[@johnfelixnatala6777]

My Uncle was in Air force, he was just 19...got locked up but released after some short time ..was reinstated back to Air force in early 2000s , retired recently ..i salute him , went through unnecessary turmoil in his prime

[@curtiskamau5512]

Salute to AFCO beer, I got a lot of babes and 6 kids to show.

[@IkoNini]

Pole kwake

[@oleubaiga3748]

At least I'm listening to the person who saw the scene. One of your comrade was my mentor all through my occupation. He was a gunman back in the days ... thanks for your service sir

[@IkoNini]

🔥🔥

[@Bakora965]

I love how our seniors are breaking it down.

[@IkoNini]

💯

[@milcahmuraguri6493]

Charles Njonjo was Minister for constitutiona affairs then.

[@ogana_M]

It is true Moi through Kanyotu who had planted Special Branch spies in the military knew about the coup at least a few days before it happened.When Kanyotu sought permission from Moi to arrest the coup plotters,on Friday 30th July 1982 at the Nyeri show ground, Moi felt it was wrong for police to arrest the military and left it for Monday 2nd August for the military police and military intelligence to carry out the arrests on Monday 2nd August,but the coup happened a day earlier on 1st August 1982 a Sunday catching Moi off-guard.

[@IkoNini]

😬😬

[@vctor6768]

Best explanation

[@johnbirgen7552]

I agree with you 💯 per cent. The sad thing here is that some NCOs were jailed for failing to suppress the mutiny yet C.I.C.himself when he had been briefed by intelligence officers (Kanyutu) did not take drastic steps to arrest the situation. Moi should have been the first respondent in court marshal in Langata barracks. Why?--- He knew and failed to stop the coup. I know it sounds odd but I tell you innocent soldiers and NCOs suffered in jail UNNECESSARILY.

[@lisaogembo473]

Everyone of this guys should write a book ,that way they can get their stories straight and we can piece everything together. This interviews are good but leave alot of spaces in that they confuse or forget some things( understandable )and as such great confusion. Congrats to the chanel for bringing us this interviews.

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@omolothedon6513]

This shows how iko nini cuts through generations,timeless content mazee big up

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@ogana_M]

Fall from grace Njonjo’s downfall, when it came, was swift. On 1 July 1983, he announced that he was resigning his position as Minister for Constitutional Affairs. He was accused of scheming, in the company of Kenya Air Force men, to oust President Daniel arap Moi. Moi appointed a Commission of Inquiry to go into Njonjo’s affairs, and over the course of 109 days Kenyans were transfixed as a parade of witnesses opened up Njonjo’s dirty laundry for public inspection. This is an extract from a journal, THE CONVERSATIONS. So I think Hezbon is mixing up dates and some details.The Njonjo Commission of Inquiry led by Chief Justice Cecil Miller started sometime in 1983 after the coup attempt. His lawyer was Queen's Counsel Deverell assisted by Paul Muite, not Byron Georgiadis.

[@IkoNini]

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[@vitalisopel1291]

He’s totally confused but he’s telling the real stuff I can see but age is catching up quickly with him,he has many gaps in his narrative

[@user-hv1il8fr3f]

You don't seem to get hezbon .investigation started way before the commission of inquiry.commission of inquiry is public but investigations to necessitate the inquiry started years before and is usually secretive and co tinges for a long period .

[@stevenadogo3774]

Njonjo was a minister of constitution and justice

[@G_dan]

How on earth does Hezbon remember all these things? Mimi ata sikumbuki nilikula nini jana😂 Very interesting interview.

[@bwanaemmanuel5952]

This man has scantily organized in thoughts. Emotions are clouding his trail of thought. Not convincing as I expected.

[@IkoNini]

😳😳

[@dukeofothaya5039]

I agree he is even contradicting sometimes exaggerating events which are well documented by mi6/cia/mossad just read charles hornsby's Kenya

[@gerryarogo1614]

I agree with this guy, Ochuka was flown out to his hide out in TZ, then the pilot ended up becoming Airforce commandant (Gen. Leshan)...aaaaa hio hapana bwana.🤣

[@user-th8ts6ss8y]

They were commandeered, it was not a free ride.

[@IkoNini]

😬😬

[@Mboki2]

Khwatenge is miles clear of this guy

[@vctor6768]

Ji-tenge is well informed this guy is somehow cluess

[@fenceevance]

Give us the truth commander without explaining whether its the truth or very true. We are listening 😂😂

[@user-ob5uo6rh5d]

In Kenya if you hold any office or position thy( the military) if thy don't want you in that position thy will even switch off the electricity at KeNgen to create a black out at the airport to fire the boss of JKIA. The problem is big.

[@IkoNini]

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[@papd3532]

In 1971 Idi Amin staged a coup against President Milton Obote and became president of Uganda . Milton Obote had criticized the apartheid regime in South Africa and the UK government detested his position on South Africa . Britain then supported Idi Amin’s coup against Milton Obote .

[@franksamuel7940]

Mwafreeka being mwafrica ... Pulling it back from the archives 🥳

[@IkoNini]

😁😁🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@emmanuelwekesa1155]

Lazima atoe musema kweli

[@petertonny4380]

I joined KAF in 1974,attended military training at Lanet Barracks and then aircraft technical training at Eastleigh,now MAB until end of 1975.After completion was posted to KAF-NANYUKI as was then.I don't know Odiero as I learn that he served at Eastleigh and DOD.I was at KAF-NANYUKI,now LAB as the so called coup happened,was arrested,Courtmatialled at Langata Barracks and end of February 1983 released without any charge against me.Mr.Odiero has given info some which I'm aware.I want to wait for his 2rd part so that I narrate what transpired since that's where fighter jets were used to bomb strategic installations in the city.I was there.

[@IkoNini]

Mr Tonny please reach us via 0722524151 coz we would love to get your perspective on this and your experience too

[@erickngicho1342]

@@IkoNini please get all of them so that we can get all perspectives otherwise you’ve handled the interview with alot of sobriety and impartiality

[@mbatiajimmy5066]

Peter - Did you ever come across James Watenge? Or/And, do you have any knowledge of Watenge’s existence as an intelligence officer?

[@petertonny4380]

Not at all,I understand Watenge was a policeman from the special branch whereas I served the KAF in Nanyuki and there was no connection.I don't know the man and can't comment on his stories

[@mbatiajimmy5066]

@@petertonny4380 - Thank you! I appreciate your prompt response!

[@briankurgat2770]

Huyu anaongea na emotions sana,it seems there is some hidden pain anafeel kusema,one can never be authentic in that way

[@IkoNini]

Getting tortured can make someone emotional I guess

[@tonyngari561]

Njonjo was Constitutional and Justice Minister and MP for Kabete after he resigned from AG's job(1980)

[@oleubaiga3748]

Yooooo brooo ..tetetetete it's the joint. Big up bro kazi njema

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@gracespaxx8227]

Mwaf and team y’all are doing amazing!!! love your work 🔥🔥 Happy holidays

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@user-th8ts6ss8y]

Just to correct Obiero on his last statement about not having a unit at Embakasi in 1982. The Airforce did have a technical unit which was started in 1978 which was basically an engineering school best known as KAFTECH based at 75KA as you head to Utawala. The first of its kind in Afrcia

[@erickwafula3376]

True

[@IkoNini]

Will let him know

[@EM2916]

Is that a unit he meant?

[@EM2916]

​@@IkoNiniwaiting for part two

[@lucyruto2008]

@hyujsrloii😮😮😮😮

[@wambuaandrew9836]

big up Mwafreeka kuna major wawili wametajwa hapo pia hao waletewe

[@IkoNini]

👊🏿👊🏿

[@heckmanwasuna]

You've got to give it to mwafrika, the guy is a very good listener, his listening skills are perfect. A very good interviewer too.

[@Andrewkifeeemr]

True

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@daudi.blooms]

Mwafreeka Big up for this story. I believe this is the history we never hear.

[@owangh86]

Waah history lessons big up iko nini ...part 2

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿

[@papd3532]

In 1980 Yoweri Museveni,a former assistant researcher to President Milton Obote, disagreed with Obote and Launched Luweero war . Gen David Oyite Ojok(one of best trained soldiers in Uganda history,at least 6 years EU,US and comparable to Gen Bazillio Olara Okello in the battle field) died in a plane crash on his way to Luweero on December 2 1983 . This changed the direction of the war . As Chief of Staff Gen David Oyite Ojok had contained Yoweri Museveni’s NRA(National Resistance Army) rebel insurgency in the Luweero Triangle .

[@papd3532]

Between 1981-86 Paul Kagame and Fred Rwigema together with other banyarwanda tutsi exiled in Uganda fought alongside Yoweri Museveni in Uganda .

[@blackppt_]

Iko nini is Iko nini🎉🎉

[@Jitenge98]

I have watched the whole video with a lot of interest. I have many observations.

[@wycliffepoet5201]

Part 2 has dropped today chief

[@michaelmagga2317]

Why are commenting so frequently @ji-tenge38 It seems you fear something is about to come out clearly 😂😂

[@vitalisopel1291]

Thanks brother,we’ve got it now from the Horse’s mouth,seems Mr,Katwenge feeds us with rumors and stories from the exe’s in village local brew dens

[@kirowompeter1706]

This is from different perspectives

[@vitalisopel1291]

Initially I liked Katwenge but slowly realizing that he knows more than he knows

[@salomenewsome4188]

These things aren't very important but are nice to know. Planning for the future and seeing how the decisions that we make now affects generations 40 years from now is what is really necessary. The problem is that we keep electing bad leaders The suffering we are going through now is coz of moi and his government

[@IkoNini]

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[@wycliffepoet5201]

They are important

[@salomenewsome4188]

@@wycliffepoet5201 wazi

[@papd3532]

In 1979 Uganda exiles in Tanzania, Kenya led by Gen Tito Okello, Gen Bazillio Olara Okello, Gen Oyite Ojok together with Airforce Commander Major Alfred Otto, Airforce Cpt Harry Oluoch , Cpt Peter Oringi , Lt Col John Ogole , Buffalo Commander Major Eric Odwar, Cpt Oyile, Lt Okot,Lt Okumu supported by Tanzania President Julius Nyerere and Kenya VP Oginga Odinga launched a rebellion against Idi Amin through Mwanza ,Tanzania/Kisumu ,Kenya on L. Victoria restoring President Milton Obote .

[@papd3532]

At least 800 Uganda Luo-Langi and Luo-Acholi soldiers died in the rebellion against Idi Amin . At least 300 died in Lake Victoria when their boat from Mwanza in Tanzania and Kisumu Kenya towards Entebbe capsized . The soldiers had been trained in Uganda by Gen Bazillio Olara Okello as an Infrantry instructor at Jinja . Together with Lt Shaban Opolot ,Gen Bazillio Okello had established the 2nd Battalion in Moroto Uganda .

[@ogana_M]

Njonjo was attorney General then Minister for Justice and Constitutional Affairs.

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@stevekioi2044]

Gichuru was immediately sent to UK for training and that meant the end of his leadership as commander

[@user-tb7yc5yx3q]

Just to correct your interviewee , coup happened on 1/8/1982 , and Njonjo enquiry started in 1983. This translates that it was after coup.

[@downmemorylane3849]

According to this man this was a stage managed coup to rid out okuyus and luos who were many in military by then. Moi knew everything prior to the coup. Mchezo wa town started long time ago.

[@kevinswahili1991]

Thanks Mwaf for bringing this as per viewers requests....Santhaa sanaaa

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@mbatiajimmy5066]

Iko Nini - can you get Odieki and James Watenge to come to your show to discuss and iron out the differences in the knowledge and opinion of the 1982 coup?

[@IkoNini]

There’s a police special branch view and a military intelligence view so convergence on opinion itakuwa ngumu

[@JUSTOKIMZ]

The show was lite 🔥🔥🙌 can't wait for part 2

[@soloibrahim9673]

We need part two

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@papd3532]

In 1985 regional/nepotistic disagreements between Uganda National Liberation Army Commander, General Tito Okello(Luo-Acholi) and President Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) over the promotion of Smith Acak Opon(Luo-Langi) to replace the late Gen Oyite Ojok(Luo-Langi) instead of General Bazillio Okello(Luo-Acholi) caused a coup against Milton Obote .

[@papd3532]

Gen Tito Okello became president(1985-86) and Gen Bazillio Olara Okello became army commander . Daniel Moi of Kenya called peace talks in Nairobi between Yoweri Museveni and Gen Tito Okello . The agreement(witnessed by Ambassador Bethwell Kiplagat of Kenya) required Gen Tito Okello to be president and Yoweri Museveni to be vice president . Gen Tito Okello proposed Harvard Trained Uganda Lawyer exiled in Kenya Ambassador Olara Otunnu(Luo-Acholi) to be president after transition to civilian rule .

[@papd3532]

Gen Bazillio Olara Okello proposed London based Oxford trained Urologist Dr Henry Obonyo(Luo-Acholi) to be president after military transition . THE TALKS COLLAPSED when Soldiers allied to Yoweri Museveni and led by Rwandans Paul Kagame and Fred Rwigema continued a push against Gen Tito Okello led Soldiers mostly Luo-Acholi , Luo-Langi in Uganda previously including Major Stephen Abili , Lt Col Wilson Okonga ,John Ogole and others . Yoweri Museveni deliberately sabotaged the talks with Daniel Moi in Nairobi Kenya and would thereafter maintain a strained relationship with Daniel Moi .

[@papd3532]

Yoweri Museveni became president of Uganda in 1986 . Paul Kagame became head of intelligence in Uganda and moved to the US FOR MILITARY TRAINING . In 1987 a rebellion against Yoweri Museveni was launched by LRA Luo-Acholi led by JOSEPH KONY , Alice Auma Lakwena , Dominic Ongwen , Vincent Otti, Okot Odhiambo ,Raska Lukwiya ,Nixman Opuk Oryanga ,Ceaser Achellum ,Bunia Ochan,Lt Col Opiyo Sam,George Omona(Kony bodyguard) and others .

[@papd3532]

By 1990 Banyarwanda tutsi led by Fred Rwigema , who had been deputy defense minister in Uganda, had launched an offensive against president Juvenal Habyarimana of Rwanda, a Banyarwanda hutu . After the death of Fred Rwigema Paul Kagame returned to Rwanda and became head of Rwanda Patriotic Front, RPF (The precursor to RPF ,Rwanda Alliance for National Unity,RANU, was founded in 1979 in Nairobi Kenya by Banyarwanda tutsi exiles) .

[@papd3532]

Juvenal Habyarimana plane was downed in 1994 . By 1996 Paul Kagame and Yoweri Museveni supported Laurent Kabila against President Mobutu Sese Seko in Congo . Laurent Kabila was also supported by Banyarwanda tutsi in Congo(Banyamulenge) who form the bulk of M23 led by Sultani Makenga and Laurent Nkunda . Laurent Kabila became President in Congo in 1997 . Paul Kagame became president in Rwanda in 2000 .

[@papd3532]

The International Court has opened investigative prosecution files on Yoweri Museveni and son Gen Muhoozi Kainerugaba on war crimes in Northern and Eastern Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Sudan, CAR, Chad and DRC Congo together with human rights violations in Uganda . Uganda has already paid $65million in reparations to DRC Congo out of $325million demanded by UN for destabilizing Congo and Yoweri Museveni supporting rebel groups in Eastern DRC . On 27th February 2019 Rwanda closed its borders with Uganda . In 2011 Uganda soldiers occupied Islands in the shared L Victoria with Kenya . In 1987 Daniel Moi Closed borders with Uganda for Yoweri Museveni's support of Kenya rebel cells in Kenya and Libya against Kenya .

[@winniesafi]

A history lesson , this was a great interview, this podcast inaeenda mbali 🙌🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@IkoNini]

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[@wyckliffemomanyi6453]

Justice be served to him also

[@papd3532]

In 1969 Kenya Nationalist Tom Mboya was assassinated . In 1971 Kenya Airforce Fighter Pilot Frederick Collins Omondi Oyoo(The best trained fighter pilot in post-independence Kenya graduating top of his class in Israel and UK) together with Kenya Army Major Ndolo and Kenya Intellectuals including Makerere University Prof Ouma Muga Plotted a coup against Jomo Kenyatta . Dedan Gichuru who had graduated second to Last place in the same Airforce class as Frederick Collins Oyoo was rapidly promoted by Jomo Kenyatta later becoming the first Black Airforce Commander in post independence Kenya . In 1971 VP Oginga Odinga was placed under house arrest by Jomo Kenyatta .

[@papd3532]

In 1964 Kenya Airforce Daniel Owino plotted a mutiny against President Jomo Kenyatta from Lanet Barracks Nakuru Kenya . In 1964 Ugandan Luo-Langi John Gideon Okello led a revolution in Zanzibar against the Omani Arabs led by Sultan Jamshid Bin Abdullah who fled to exile in the UK . 17000 Arabs died freeing the black Bantu population from 500 years of Omani Arab subjugation . Tanganyika and Zanzibar United to become Tanzania .

[@fundikali73]

Interesting addition of names to this endless plot but I thought he was refuting Khwatenge's contributions? Mwafrika please be doing a little research of the interviewees chosen subject so that your questions are more pointed and you aren't led or misled by your guest. You are very lost in this interview. But keep going Mwaf.. but more research before interviews.

[@IkoNini]

👀

[@stevenyanaro7995]

You have opened my eyes

[@GingerBreadMan76]

Njonjo was min for Constitutional Affairs. Ngoroko in 76 wanted Jeremiah Nyagah to become president after Kenyatta. Nyagah was loyal and refused. But Kenya would have been much better off had Jeremiah Nyagah become president.

[@IkoNini]

😲😲

[@missouriregisterednurse3897]

Shukran mingi Mwaf for this.

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿

[@rhymeskartel5417]

What hurts me most is that they blamed the odinga family for the coup

[@IkoNini]

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[@wangombe.w]

The realest channel....Iko nini...siku moja lazima nitaingia kwenye membership 💯

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@dennohtobby]

Am a former Kenya airforce guy, I need asylum coz I feel my life is at stake

[@IkoNini]

Stay safe out there

[@salimthedon]

I love History, thank you Mwafreeka!

[@IkoNini]

👊🏿👊🏿

[@papd3532]

In 1982 VP Oginga Odinga supported Kenya Airforce coup against Daniel Moi led by Senior Private Hezekiah Ochuka, Sgt Pancreas Oteyo Okumu,Sgt Ogidi Obuon,Sgt Samuel Opiyo,Cpl Obuon,Capt Agola,Fenwicks Chesoli,Cpl Njereman,Major Mutua . In 1982 VP Oginga Odinga was placed under house arrest by Daniel Moi .

[@alexkaranja9081]

A very insightful episode, hiyo episode 2 tunaisubiri sana

[@IkoNini]

👊🏿👊🏿

[@jamesmutua5873]

This man doesn't really know exactly what transpire on Jomo Kenyatta's death. When Kenyatta died in Mombasa technically the Chief of Staff is the one who calls the shots, so for this man to talk of Airforce Commander excluding Gen. Mulinge is a big lie. Gen. Mulinge is the one who called the cabinet and ordered Njonjo to read the Constitution what it says in such circumstances, and that is how Moi took over for 90 days before an election. What was the Britich High Commissioner doing about this issue???

[@IkoNini]

The question would be why did he lie?

[@kabuthakabutha9472]

I admire hes luo accent, he hasn't changed a bit. Hes like MUGUNAX2 Acha sisi tukienda ku travel mayolo kiasi kunatudi na ku tweng 😂😂

[@IkoNini]

😂😂

[@johnnjoroge7985]

People tweng as a result of inferiority complex, ,

[@Jitenge98]

if you listen to the video carefully, HESBON is saying that RAILA IS THE LUO KING AND ALL LUOS MUST SUPPORT HIM, that explains what makarios OUMA has been doing, but denying when he is on phone with me

[@wycliffepoet5201]

I have heard him say Odinga family is the king but I haven't heard him say all Luis must support Odinga

[@sharikharib]

I totally agree with him hapo kwa moi kutaka kutoa Luos na kikuyus kwa Airforce. My dad was a victim of this coz alikua engineer na they were to go abroad for further training but Moi akawarusha nje (immediaetly after the so called coup) ,aka lete wakalenjin tupu wa chukue hizo positions an opportunities were gone...manzee i could have been a british citizen bana, Moi ni mrazi...iko nini !

[@IkoNini]

😳😳😲😲😁😁

[@achamin1]

Unakumbuka ule driver Boinet, no one could fire him because he was a kalenjin. infcat he became famous fro driving while drank that every one said he drove better while hw was drunk.

[@halimagichuki9069]

Njonjo was Minister for Constitutional Affairs

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿

[@Bakora965]

Living Intelligence unit of the past please come on board🙏 .Let the young generation be in the know. Don't go with info in the graves

[@kibzshow7122]

Njonjo Enquiry was after the coup attempt 1983/84 not before

[@IkoNini]

I’ll ask him to clarify

[@otenyop]

​@@kibzshow7122correct it was after the 1982 attempted coup d'etat

[@Leleikjl]

Agree ....

[@user-oh6ee2vl7t]

From what I read somewhere, Muthemba was related to Njonjo. He was charged in 1981 for trying to overthrow the government. Njonjo was probably investigated then. This is what I believe.

[@onsando1]

I don’t know if I am the only one struggling to add things up. It’s 40 minutes on and weh . Or am I slow understanding Hezron?

[@IkoNini]

Anasema hakukuwa na coup just a plan to reduce some tribes from the airforce

[@mbatiajimmy5066]

Odiero - a lot of things you are saying here seems to contradict what Watenge has said about the coup in reference to Raila betraying Njonjo to get out of prison! Odiero, can you set the facts straight about what James Watenge has said against Raila? I am glad you have come out so we can fact check Watenge’s above the neck computer😂😂😂!!!

[@IkoNini]

I will ask Hezbon about his experience in detention and if his paths and Raila’s crossed

[@elly300]

Near 90% of the targeted community after the coup were Luo ex soldiers,heroes

[@IkoNini]

👀

[@kirowompeter1706]

why this hate for Luos

[@irineougo2677]

Very good niko ndaaani i just had a feeling that khwatenge guy was keeping information about this coup

[@IkoNini]

It’s only natural that the military guy would have more info

[@irineougo2677]

@@IkoNini I agree 👍

[@dennohtobby]

Ogolla is a puppet. I worked with him as a deputy airforce commander

[@IkoNini]

Which Ogola? Present head of defence forces?

[@dennohtobby]

The current fuckin CDF.

[@dennohtobby]

Man am not simping but that guy is like a device controlled by a remote. You know what, fuck him

[@SP1-media]

​@@dennohtobbypuppet for who?

[@user-oh6ee2vl7t]

I have personally held the same view on the 1982 coup. Moi must have been behind it so as to get absolute powers. That's possibly why Khwatenge said that Moi became president after the coup.

[@iccahvernon718]

Mwaf ameeka disclaimer ju hii si podcast ya kawaida 😅😅 anajua kinaeza mramba atii

[@IkoNini]

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[@kitukubwa438]

This was quite informative but it was a little tough to listen to. Usually iko nini huwa ni kubanja for entertainment and any learning opportunities come as a bonus. In this case, the discussion is more serious and so clarity is needed. Mwaf, ask open ended questions and let the guy talk. That way follow up questions can be asked based on what he’s saying. Many of the questions you ask begin with “So, it means that…” rather than asking “What do you mean when you say…” or “Does this mean…”. There’s other opportunities for such kind of interviews in future and I know you will get better at these. Keep up the good effort.

[@IkoNini]

👊🏿👊🏿

[@thomasmusandu2754]

For whatever reason the Njonjo inquiry came after the coup. The lawyer remember clearly was not Georgiadis as mentioned but someone who came from the UK called Deverell. He was assisted by Paul Muite. Not sure who else

[@IkoNini]

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[@kajole8057]

The lawyer was Byron georgiadis assisted by muite

[@kajole8057]

The njonjo enquiry was 1984-1983

[@thomasmusandu2754]

​​@@kajole8057Either way a mzungu from the UK called Deverell was the lead council. Just Google seen it 4:20 4:22 4:24 4:26

[@FELIXINYOTI]

Awesome and deep conversations

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@JoelNjane-gs3ij]

I wish James Kanyotu would have written an autobiography b4 his demise!!

[@IkoNini]

💯

[@waihura2039]

They could not have let him write it. He could could have exposed a lot. Kenyatta/Moi boys could not allow that

[@wilfredngugi2564]

Njonjo was a minister for construction affairs. And to add to that in 1983 after the coup, a nasty mlolongo elections were launched purportedly to remove those who were not in the favour of Moi.

[@evanssabali9992]

Njonjo was the minister for constitional affairs.

[@user-hv1il8fr3f]

For young kenyans watching what hezbon is saying is true.

[@beatkidd]

This should be a movie

[@IkoNini]

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[@aluken6800]

Odiero does not have clear facts. He is selective in recalling facts. Njonjo was minister for constitutional affairs

[@Jitenge98]

The reason why Mahmoud was in Nairobi in August 82 was because he had reached the retirement age and was in Nairobi for final clearance into civilian life.

[@SP1-media]

Did you torture Hezbon Odiero?😂😂

[@emmanuelwekesa1155]

You have been caught in a lie Khwatenge. The other day you were busy yap yaping ati oh ukiguza Raila watu wake they become emotional,oh there's no one who called from Norway oh sijui what bullshit

[@mbatiajimmy5066]

Odiero says the 1982 coup was a ploy by Moi to kick Kikuyu’s and Luo’s out of the military. Which indeed happened after the 1882 ploy coup! Thousands of Kenyans died when the Moi’s coup ploy took place! Many other innocent people suffered great loses. Nairobi was completely destroyed during the coup fracas! Moi was thought to be a good Christian leader like Ruto himself claims to be. But now evidence is coming out based on what Odiero is saying that Moi allowed many Kenyans to die and property destroyed for him to strength his rule. What measures have been put in place to make sure Ruto does not do the same thing to stay in power past 2027??

[@IkoNini]

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[@blessedknjugush1983]

we need both(kwhatenge) in an interview

[@IkoNini]

Thinking the same 😁

[@franchise.licensing.institute]

This gentleman, 41yrs,later has painted quite an interesting mosaic of Kenya's hidden history. Truth be told, to a critical thinker, the 1982 coup story, for some strange reason, does not make sense. For the first time, someone has introduced to us a very interesting piece of the puzzle. It is worth interrogating further. Mwaf, thank you for the courage to visit these gray area stories. Truth needs to come out.

[@mbatiajimmy5066]

There has been a long held political propaganda to discredit the Luos whenever they are agitate for human rights. It is the same thing Ruto is doing with the Kikuyus because he is afraid of their strength! Kikuyus are losing jobs because Ruto is firing them and feeling those positions with the Kalenjins. The past Moi dirty political history is being repeated by the Ruto regime.

[@irineougo2677]

Exactly 🤣 only the clever will get it

[@IkoNini]

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[@wycliffepoet5201]

​@@irineougo2677it's obvious. Stop thinking you are bright by observing that

[@mbatiajimmy5066]

@@wycliffepoet5201 - ‘bright’ for saying the truth, right? Ruto is firing many Kikuyus and Luos and replacing them with some under education Kalenjins! I do talk about because even Toddlers are talking about the unfortunate situation. But you probably can’t not see it because you are a fellow Kalenjin to Ruto; and not so “bright”! Goat ropers and looters (cow herders) can never see past the thorny pastures! Usituletee simply because your tribe is the one being put in jobs they cannot perform - eg - why is the electricity blackout so common since Chirchir and company took over Kenya Power? Is CS Murkomen qualified to be in charge of Roads ministry? Even your Senator Cheragui is asking Ruto to fire him because he is ineptly incompetent, arrogant and clueless. And, is Oscar Sudi a guy to advise a serious president on matters of national importance - economy, security, etc? There, there, right on your face….!!! Do you want some more examples?? How about the current poverty situation in every corner of Kenya? And, the run away corruption and theft of Kenya’s coffers???

[@kijanayaaput8940]

Story imechacha hapa. Iko Nini asante kwa kupatiana chance ilitupate hizo mastory.

[@IkoNini]

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[@Andrewkifeeemr]

Number. Mwaf you are so eloquent. i am suprised you can communicate in English through out

[@IkoNini]

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[@loicebaraza]

Material ya Starehe Boyz akose kuchonga ngoso?

[@wycliffepoet5201]

😂😂

[@julitaakinyi-nz9de]

@Andrewkifeeemr hold it down puny😂

[@wycliffepoet5201]

Mwaf khwatenge is saying he's calling you and you are disconnecting the phone

[@ogana_M]

I have never hear Raila deny accusations that he was one of the ring leaders of the coup attempt.I wish Ochuka was alive. He would have shed some light on whether Raila was involved or not.

[@IkoNini]

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[@robbenoweke5005]

They were coned to believe so by Moi

[@eriqueettours6011]

Raila wasnt involved but when people thinks they maligning him.politically,he rides on it for votes gains

[@nyagudinyagudi2743]

As someone who has studied Kenya's Military History his take has some weight. A week before 1982 a Helicopter was found with a load of assault rifles in Eastleigh Air Base.....the Army General Staff left it in place.....its origin and approvals was never investigated...What is Hezbon's take?

[@IkoNini]

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[@BoniOdinga-m5g]

Mwaf...you need some backgrounders before such interviews.Your interviewee is clearly not given to public speaking; it's up to you to tease out the points without the unnecessary back and forth... Anyhoo....in a nutshell( what he brings out) this is all a pre-colonial stereotyping type of thing; Luos will always be used because they are impetuous...they must also be managed because culturally they are 'socialistic'. Organise the disorganised and disorganise the organised(same thing happened in Uganda to the Baganda) Even currently we're being used. Kudos to those Anglo-saxons; they are thorough and could see far...for example, take a train ride on those old (50's technology) trains; like the Kisumu one isn't SGR-red yet. You'll marvel. Until we chemsha ubongo extra....tuko pabaya. Bongo is an antelope duh Mwaf! You should have read Waore's Book bwana...it is available!

[@ripvangu]

very iluminating

[@IkoNini]

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[@hommerhworld9007]

Kenya nchi ya wakora😂😂😂

[@IkoNini]

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[@user-bo6qq6pm1n]

When did a mere clerk in the military become an investigator of serious government matters. Some of us have also been there for long.

[@davidochieng4479]

I love the show always that bring us to the limelight...seems like archeological past folded events history even uganda cant relate this koz it was like squid game

[@imagineSasa]

Za huyu mzee ni siasa😂 anafaa tu kurudi Kenya ashikane na Wajackoya wadanganye wajaluo

[@reubenothuol1823]

He was in the middle of the whole coup, you were not, shut up.

[@salomenewsome4188]

Please be nice

[@IkoNini]

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[@kevinswahili1991]

civilians kaeni kando use two ears and darubini tu... microphone ni ya watu wa uniform

[@wycliffepoet5201]

Makarios khwatenge anasema ushike simu😂

[@fundikali73]

Mr Hezbon, according to court records petitioned the government in 2012 for unfair arrest and imprisonment in 1982 and was awarded 5m? Judgement made in Kisumu on 28th January 2016 by Justice E.N. Maina. Was this money paid and what is the reason for his continued stay in Norway?

[@IkoNini]

He talks about it in part 2

[@mbatiajimmy5066]

Norway is actually the best country to live in the world. It’s gorgeous mountains, Fjords, undersea road network, public safety, various provisions by the government - such as two vacations fully funded by the government per year to any destination in the world, free education, free health care, a wide variety of social amenities, a very reliable public transportation network - buses and trains, etc beats living in Kenya hands down! There is no political drama in Norway and the people are equally nice! Norway is also oil rich and the country puts all its oil money into a trust fund which is well managed - the country is corruption free! Alcohol is very expensive in Norway if you like to waste your life drinking there! No homelessness in Norway! So, you can now understand why Odiero won’t want to return to Kenya!