Ep 251 HEZBON ODIERO part 1 - GETTING CHARGED FOR THE 1982 COUP

[@oleubaiga3748]

At least I'm listening to the person who saw the scene. One of your comrade was my mentor all through my occupation. He was a gunman back in the days ... thanks for your service sir

[@IkoNini]

🔥🔥

[@Bakora965]

I love how these old timers are bringing up history. Mwafrika digging from the Archives 🙏

[@soloibrahim9673]

This soldier is talking sense iko kitu ana jua politics is a dirty game .

[@IkoNini]

💯

[@vctor6768]

Leshan was taken at Gunpoint...this guy is confused

[@lucymaina9236]

My late husband was soldier stationed at langata barracks and became a victim of circumstance, jailed for four years at kingongo maximum prison for nothing.Thereafter he got out of prison totally depressed, lost his job and benefits and to cut the long story short he died miserably leaving us with nothing.He had served in the army for nine solid years

[@stephenajwang1593]

This was unfortunate

[@mussumbafelix]

so so sorry, I wish he did some investments

[@stevenyanaro7995]

Sorry

[@KushMuhoreri]

I never thought it could get this interesting. It seems there is a lot of information out there that needs to be dug up! Shukran Mwaf for always raising the bar.

[@pmashaa1116]

Ji-Tenge and Odiero need to seat at a round table and exchange their experiences that will be very rich for History buffs

[@dennohtobby]

Me 2

[@vctor6768]

I trust ji-tenge this guy is confused

[@jfnat1891]

My Uncle was in Air force, he was just 19...got locked up but released after some short time ..was reinstated back to Air force in early 2000s , retired recently ..i salute him , went through unnecessary turmoil in his prime

[@curtiskamau5512]

Salute to AFCO beer, I got a lot of babes and 6 kids to show.

[@IkoNini]

Pole kwake

[@omolothedon6513]

This shows how iko nini cuts through generations,timeless content mazee big up

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@ogana_M]

It is true Moi through Kanyotu who had planted Special Branch spies in the military knew about the coup at least a few days before it happened.When Kanyotu sought permission from Moi to arrest the coup plotters,on Friday 30th July 1982 at the Nyeri show ground, Moi felt it was wrong for police to arrest the military and left it for Monday 2nd August for the military police and military intelligence to carry out the arrests on Monday 2nd August,but the coup happened a day earlier on 1st August 1982 a Sunday catching Moi off-guard.

[@IkoNini]

😬😬

[@vctor6768]

Best explanation

[@johnbirgen7552]

I agree with you 💯 per cent. The sad thing here is that some NCOs were jailed for failing to suppress the mutiny yet C.I.C.himself when he had been briefed by intelligence officers (Kanyutu) did not take drastic steps to arrest the situation. Moi should have been the first respondent in court marshal in Langata barracks. Why?--- He knew and failed to stop the coup. I know it sounds odd but I tell you innocent soldiers and NCOs suffered in jail UNNECESSARILY.

[@lisaogembo473]

Everyone of this guys should write a book ,that way they can get their stories straight and we can piece everything together. This interviews are good but leave alot of spaces in that they confuse or forget some things( understandable )and as such great confusion. Congrats to the chanel for bringing us this interviews.

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@gerryarogo1614]

I agree with this guy, Ochuka was flown out to his hide out in TZ, then the pilot ended up becoming Airforce commandant (Gen. Leshan)...aaaaa hio hapana bwana.🤣

[@kevinMuthami-b5t]

They were commandeered, it was not a free ride.

[@IkoNini]

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[@G_dan]

How on earth does Hezbon remember all these things? Mimi ata sikumbuki nilikula nini jana😂 Very interesting interview.

[@oleubaiga3748]

Yooooo brooo ..tetetetete it's the joint. Big up bro kazi njema

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@Bakora965]

I love how our seniors are breaking it down.

[@IkoNini]

💯

[@milcahmuraguri6493]

Charles Njonjo was Minister for constitutiona affairs then.

[@stevenadogo3774]

Njonjo was a minister of constitution and justice

[@tonyngari561]

Njonjo was Constitutional and Justice Minister and MP for Kabete after he resigned from AG's job(1980)

[@bwanaemmanuel5952]

This man has scantily organized in thoughts. Emotions are clouding his trail of thought. Not convincing as I expected.

[@IkoNini]

😳😳

[@dukeofothaya5039]

I agree he is even contradicting sometimes exaggerating events which are well documented by mi6/cia/mossad just read charles hornsby's Kenya

[@briankurgat2770]

Huyu anaongea na emotions sana,it seems there is some hidden pain anafeel kusema,one can never be authentic in that way

[@IkoNini]

Getting tortured can make someone emotional I guess

[@ogana_M]

Fall from grace Njonjo’s downfall, when it came, was swift. On 1 July 1983, he announced that he was resigning his position as Minister for Constitutional Affairs. He was accused of scheming, in the company of Kenya Air Force men, to oust President Daniel arap Moi. Moi appointed a Commission of Inquiry to go into Njonjo’s affairs, and over the course of 109 days Kenyans were transfixed as a parade of witnesses opened up Njonjo’s dirty laundry for public inspection. This is an extract from a journal, THE CONVERSATIONS. So I think Hezbon is mixing up dates and some details.The Njonjo Commission of Inquiry led by Chief Justice Cecil Miller started sometime in 1983 after the coup attempt. His lawyer was Queen's Counsel Deverell assisted by Paul Muite, not Byron Georgiadis.

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@vitalisopel1291]

He’s totally confused but he’s telling the real stuff I can see but age is catching up quickly with him,he has many gaps in his narrative

[@أحمدناصر-ظ6ع9ز]

You don't seem to get hezbon .investigation started way before the commission of inquiry.commission of inquiry is public but investigations to necessitate the inquiry started years before and is usually secretive and co tinges for a long period .

[@fenceevance]

Give us the truth commander without explaining whether its the truth or very true. We are listening 😂😂

[@franksamuel7940]

Mwafreeka being mwafrica ... Pulling it back from the archives 🥳

[@IkoNini]

😁😁🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@emmanuelwekesa1155]

Lazima atoe musema kweli

[@winniesafi]

A history lesson , this was a great interview, this podcast inaeenda mbali 🙌🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿

[@wyckliffemomanyi6453]

Justice be served to him also

[@papd3532]

In 1979 Uganda exiles in Tanzania, Kenya led by Gen Tito Okello, Gen Bazillio Olara Okello, Gen Oyite Ojok together with Airforce Commander Major Alfred Otto, Airforce Cpt Harry Oluoch , Cpt Peter Oringi , Lt Col John Ogole , Buffalo Commander Major Eric Odwar, Cpt Oyile, Lt Okot,Lt Okumu supported by Tanzania President Julius Nyerere and Kenya VP Oginga Odinga launched a rebellion against Idi Amin through Mwanza ,Tanzania/Kisumu ,Kenya on L. Victoria restoring President Milton Obote .

[@papd3532]

At least 800 Uganda Luo-Langi and Luo-Acholi soldiers died in the rebellion against Idi Amin . At least 300 died in Lake Victoria when their boat from Mwanza in Tanzania and Kisumu Kenya towards Entebbe capsized . The soldiers had been trained in Uganda by Gen Bazillio Olara Okello as an Infrantry instructor at Jinja . Together with Lt Shaban Opolot ,Gen Bazillio Okello had established the 2nd Battalion in Moroto Uganda .

[@LewaBenjamin]

In Kenya if you hold any office or position thy( the military) if thy don't want you in that position thy will even switch off the electricity at KeNgen to create a black out at the airport to fire the boss of JKIA. The problem is big.

[@IkoNini]

💯

[@heckmanwasuna]

You've got to give it to mwafrika, the guy is a very good listener, his listening skills are perfect. A very good interviewer too.

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@kevinswahili1991]

Thanks Mwaf for bringing this as per viewers requests....Santhaa sanaaa

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@salomenewsome4188]

These things aren't very important but are nice to know. Planning for the future and seeing how the decisions that we make now affects generations 40 years from now is what is really necessary. The problem is that we keep electing bad leaders The suffering we are going through now is coz of moi and his government

[@IkoNini]

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[@wycliffepoet5201]

They are important

[@salomenewsome4188]

@@wycliffepoet5201 wazi

[@owangh86]

Waah history lessons big up iko nini ...part 2

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿

[@downmemorylane3849]

According to this man this was a stage managed coup to rid out okuyus and luos who were many in military by then. Moi knew everything prior to the coup. Mchezo wa town started long time ago.

[@wambuaandrew9836]

big up Mwafreeka kuna major wawili wametajwa hapo pia hao waletewe

[@IkoNini]

👊🏿👊🏿

[@daudi.blooms]

Mwafreeka Big up for this story. I believe this is the history we never hear.

[@GingerBreadMan76]

Njonjo was min for Constitutional Affairs. Ngoroko in 76 wanted Jeremiah Nyagah to become president after Kenyatta. Nyagah was loyal and refused. But Kenya would have been much better off had Jeremiah Nyagah become president.

[@IkoNini]

😲😲

[@gracespaxx8227]

Mwaf and team y’all are doing amazing!!! love your work 🔥🔥 Happy holidays

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@vitalisopel1291]

Thanks brother,we’ve got it now from the Horse’s mouth,seems Mr,Katwenge feeds us with rumors and stories from the exe’s in village local brew dens

[@kirowompeter1706]

This is from different perspectives

[@vitalisopel1291]

Initially I liked Katwenge but slowly realizing that he knows more than he knows

[@kevinMuthami-b5t]

Just to correct Obiero on his last statement about not having a unit at Embakasi in 1982. The Airforce did have a technical unit which was started in 1978 which was basically an engineering school best known as KAFTECH based at 75KA as you head to Utawala. The first of its kind in Afrcia

[@erickwafula3376]

True

[@IkoNini]

Will let him know

[@EM2916]

Is that a unit he meant?

[@EM2916]

​@@IkoNiniwaiting for part two

[@lucyruto2008]

@hyujsrloii😮😮😮😮

[@Jitenge98]

I have watched the whole video with a lot of interest. I have many observations.

[@wycliffepoet5201]

Part 2 has dropped today chief

[@michaelmagga2317]

Why are commenting so frequently @ji-tenge38 It seems you fear something is about to come out clearly 😂😂

[@papd3532]

In 1971 Idi Amin staged a coup against President Milton Obote and became president of Uganda . Milton Obote had criticized the apartheid regime in South Africa and the UK government detested his position on South Africa . Britain then supported Idi Amin’s coup against Milton Obote .

[@ogana_M]

Njonjo was attorney General then Minister for Justice and Constitutional Affairs.

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@KOMANDO254]

Khwatenge is miles clear of this guy

[@vctor6768]

Ji-tenge is well informed this guy is somehow cluess

[@Sharikshariksharik]

I totally agree with him hapo kwa moi kutaka kutoa Luos na kikuyus kwa Airforce. My dad was a victim of this coz alikua engineer na they were to go abroad for further training but Moi akawarusha nje (immediaetly after the so called coup) ,aka lete wakalenjin tupu wa chukue hizo positions an opportunities were gone...manzee i could have been a british citizen bana, Moi ni mrazi...iko nini !

[@IkoNini]

😳😳😲😲😁😁

[@achamin1]

Unakumbuka ule driver Boinet, no one could fire him because he was a kalenjin. infcat he became famous fro driving while drank that every one said he drove better while hw was drunk.

[@mbatiajimmy5066]

Iko Nini - can you get Odieki and James Watenge to come to your show to discuss and iron out the differences in the knowledge and opinion of the 1982 coup?

[@IkoNini]

There’s a police special branch view and a military intelligence view so convergence on opinion itakuwa ngumu

[@papd3532]

In 1985 regional/nepotistic disagreements between Uganda National Liberation Army Commander, General Tito Okello(Luo-Acholi) and President Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) over the promotion of Smith Acak Opon(Luo-Langi) to replace the late Gen Oyite Ojok(Luo-Langi) instead of General Bazillio Okello(Luo-Acholi) caused a coup against Milton Obote .

[@papd3532]

Gen Tito Okello became president(1985-86) and Gen Bazillio Olara Okello became army commander . Daniel Moi of Kenya called peace talks in Nairobi between Yoweri Museveni and Gen Tito Okello . The agreement(witnessed by Ambassador Bethwell Kiplagat of Kenya) required Gen Tito Okello to be president and Yoweri Museveni to be vice president . Gen Tito Okello proposed Harvard Trained Uganda Lawyer exiled in Kenya Ambassador Olara Otunnu(Luo-Acholi) to be president after transition to civilian rule .

[@papd3532]

Gen Bazillio Olara Okello proposed London based Oxford trained Urologist Dr Henry Obonyo(Luo-Acholi) to be president after military transition . THE TALKS COLLAPSED when Soldiers allied to Yoweri Museveni and led by Rwandans Paul Kagame and Fred Rwigema continued a push against Gen Tito Okello led Soldiers mostly Luo-Acholi , Luo-Langi in Uganda previously including Major Stephen Abili , Lt Col Wilson Okonga ,John Ogole and others . Yoweri Museveni deliberately sabotaged the talks with Daniel Moi in Nairobi Kenya and would thereafter maintain a strained relationship with Daniel Moi .

[@missouriregisterednurse3897]

Shukran mingi Mwaf for this.

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿

[@irineougo2677]

Very good niko ndaaani i just had a feeling that khwatenge guy was keeping information about this coup

[@IkoNini]

It’s only natural that the military guy would have more info

[@irineougo2677]

@@IkoNini I agree 👍

[@NjengaKiongera]

Just to correct your interviewee , coup happened on 1/8/1982 , and Njonjo enquiry started in 1983. This translates that it was after coup.

[@JUSTOKIMZ]

The show was lite 🔥🔥🙌 can't wait for part 2

[@soloibrahim9673]

We need part two

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@stevekioi2044]

Gichuru was immediately sent to UK for training and that meant the end of his leadership as commander

[@blackppt_]

Iko nini is Iko nini🎉🎉

[@kabuthakabutha9472]

I admire hes luo accent, he hasn't changed a bit. Hes like MUGUNAX2 Acha sisi tukienda ku travel mayolo kiasi kunatudi na ku tweng 😂😂

[@IkoNini]

😂😂

[@johnnjoroge7985]

People tweng as a result of inferiority complex, ,

[@wangombe.w]

The realest channel....Iko nini...siku moja lazima nitaingia kwenye membership 💯

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@salimthedon]

I love History, thank you Mwafreeka!

[@IkoNini]

👊🏿👊🏿

[@kitukubwa438]

This was quite informative but it was a little tough to listen to. Usually iko nini huwa ni kubanja for entertainment and any learning opportunities come as a bonus. In this case, the discussion is more serious and so clarity is needed. Mwaf, ask open ended questions and let the guy talk. That way follow up questions can be asked based on what he’s saying. Many of the questions you ask begin with “So, it means that…” rather than asking “What do you mean when you say…” or “Does this mean…”. There’s other opportunities for such kind of interviews in future and I know you will get better at these. Keep up the good effort.

[@IkoNini]

👊🏿👊🏿

[@rhymeskartel5417]

What hurts me most is that they blamed the odinga family for the coup

[@IkoNini]

👀

[@papd3532]

Yoweri Museveni became president of Uganda in 1986 . Paul Kagame became head of intelligence in Uganda and moved to the US FOR MILITARY TRAINING . In 1987 a rebellion against Yoweri Museveni was launched by LRA Luo-Acholi led by JOSEPH KONY , Alice Auma Lakwena , Dominic Ongwen , Vincent Otti, Okot Odhiambo ,Raska Lukwiya ,Nixman Opuk Oryanga ,Ceaser Achellum ,Bunia Ochan,Lt Col Opiyo Sam,George Omona(Kony bodyguard) and others .

[@papd3532]

By 1990 Banyarwanda tutsi led by Fred Rwigema , who had been deputy defense minister in Uganda, had launched an offensive against president Juvenal Habyarimana of Rwanda, a Banyarwanda hutu . After the death of Fred Rwigema Paul Kagame returned to Rwanda and became head of Rwanda Patriotic Front, RPF (The precursor to RPF ,Rwanda Alliance for National Unity,RANU, was founded in 1979 in Nairobi Kenya by Banyarwanda tutsi exiles) .

[@papd3532]

Juvenal Habyarimana plane was downed in 1994 . By 1996 Paul Kagame and Yoweri Museveni supported Laurent Kabila against President Mobutu Sese Seko in Congo . Laurent Kabila was also supported by Banyarwanda tutsi in Congo(Banyamulenge) who form the bulk of M23 led by Sultani Makenga and Laurent Nkunda . Laurent Kabila became President in Congo in 1997 . Paul Kagame became president in Rwanda in 2000 .

[@papd3532]

The International Court has opened investigative prosecution files on Yoweri Museveni and son Gen Muhoozi Kainerugaba on war crimes in Northern and Eastern Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Sudan, CAR, Chad and DRC Congo together with human rights violations in Uganda . Uganda has already paid $65million in reparations to DRC Congo out of $325million demanded by UN for destabilizing Congo and Yoweri Museveni supporting rebel groups in Eastern DRC . On 27th February 2019 Rwanda closed its borders with Uganda . In 2011 Uganda soldiers occupied Islands in the shared L Victoria with Kenya . In 1987 Daniel Moi Closed borders with Uganda for Yoweri Museveni's support of Kenya rebel cells in Kenya and Libya against Kenya .

[@alexkaranja9081]

A very insightful episode, hiyo episode 2 tunaisubiri sana

[@IkoNini]

👊🏿👊🏿

[@Bakora965]

Living Intelligence unit of the past please come on board🙏 .Let the young generation be in the know. Don't go with info in the graves

[@papd3532]

In 1969 Kenya Nationalist Tom Mboya was assassinated . In 1971 Kenya Airforce Fighter Pilot Frederick Collins Omondi Oyoo(The best trained fighter pilot in post-independence Kenya graduating top of his class in Israel and UK) together with Kenya Army Major Ndolo and Kenya Intellectuals including Makerere University Prof Ouma Muga Plotted a coup against Jomo Kenyatta . Dedan Gichuru who had graduated second to Last place in the same Airforce class as Frederick Collins Oyoo was rapidly promoted by Jomo Kenyatta later becoming the first Black Airforce Commander in post independence Kenya . In 1971 VP Oginga Odinga was placed under house arrest by Jomo Kenyatta .

[@halimagichuki9069]

Njonjo was Minister for Constitutional Affairs

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿

[@wilfredngugi2564]

Njonjo was a minister for construction affairs. And to add to that in 1983 after the coup, a nasty mlolongo elections were launched purportedly to remove those who were not in the favour of Moi.

[@dennohtobby]

Am a former Kenya airforce guy, I need asylum coz I feel my life is at stake

[@IkoNini]

Stay safe out there

[@Jitenge98]

Khwatenge’s KZbin channel is JI-TENGE

[@أحمدناصر-ظ6ع9ز]

For young kenyans watching what hezbon is saying is true.

[@papd3532]

In 1964 Kenya Airforce Daniel Owino plotted a mutiny against President Jomo Kenyatta from Lanet Barracks Nakuru Kenya . In 1964 Ugandan Luo-Langi John Gideon Okello led a revolution in Zanzibar against the Omani Arabs led by Sultan Jamshid Bin Abdullah who fled to exile in the UK . 17000 Arabs died freeing the black Bantu population from 500 years of Omani Arab subjugation . Tanganyika and Zanzibar United to become Tanzania .

[@fundikali73]

Interesting addition of names to this endless plot but I thought he was refuting Khwatenge's contributions? Mwafrika please be doing a little research of the interviewees chosen subject so that your questions are more pointed and you aren't led or misled by your guest. You are very lost in this interview. But keep going Mwaf.. but more research before interviews.

[@IkoNini]

👀

[@RobertVosena]

I have personally held the same view on the 1982 coup. Moi must have been behind it so as to get absolute powers. That's possibly why Khwatenge said that Moi became president after the coup.

[@iccahvernon718]

Mwaf ameeka disclaimer ju hii si podcast ya kawaida 😅😅 anajua kinaeza mramba atii

[@IkoNini]

😭😭😭

[@petertonny4380]

I joined KAF in 1974,attended military training at Lanet Barracks and then aircraft technical training at Eastleigh,now MAB until end of 1975.After completion was posted to KAF-NANYUKI as was then.I don't know Odiero as I learn that he served at Eastleigh and DOD.I was at KAF-NANYUKI,now LAB as the so called coup happened,was arrested,Courtmatialled at Langata Barracks and end of February 1983 released without any charge against me.Mr.Odiero has given info some which I'm aware.I want to wait for his 2rd part so that I narrate what transpired since that's where fighter jets were used to bomb strategic installations in the city.I was there.

[@FreddieMatiba]

Waiting for your version Sir...

[@IkoNini]

Hi Sir, please reach us on 0722524151 we would love to hear your version

[@petertonny4380]

I have texted info on number as provided,rgds

[@wycliffepoet5201]

​@@petertonny4380wonderful

[@franchise.licensing.institute]

This gentleman, 41yrs,later has painted quite an interesting mosaic of Kenya's hidden history. Truth be told, to a critical thinker, the 1982 coup story, for some strange reason, does not make sense. For the first time, someone has introduced to us a very interesting piece of the puzzle. It is worth interrogating further. Mwaf, thank you for the courage to visit these gray area stories. Truth needs to come out.

[@Jitenge98]

if you listen to the video carefully, HESBON is saying that RAILA IS THE LUO KING AND ALL LUOS MUST SUPPORT HIM, that explains what makarios OUMA has been doing, but denying when he is on phone with me

[@wycliffepoet5201]

I have heard him say Odinga family is the king but I haven't heard him say all Luis must support Odinga

[@evanssabali9992]

Njonjo was the minister for constitional affairs.

[@thomasmusandu2754]

For whatever reason the Njonjo inquiry came after the coup. The lawyer remember clearly was not Georgiadis as mentioned but someone who came from the UK called Deverell. He was assisted by Paul Muite. Not sure who else

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@kajole8057]

The lawyer was Byron georgiadis assisted by muite

[@kajole8057]

The njonjo enquiry was 1984-1983

[@thomasmusandu2754]

​​@@kajole8057Either way a mzungu from the UK called Deverell was the lead council. Just Google seen it 4:20 4:22 4:24 4:26

[@JoelNjane-gs3ij]

I wish James Kanyotu would have written an autobiography b4 his demise!!

[@IkoNini]

💯

[@waihura2039]

They could not have let him write it. He could could have exposed a lot. Kenyatta/Moi boys could not allow that

[@kibzshow7122]

Njonjo Enquiry was after the coup attempt 1983/84 not before

[@IkoNini]

I’ll ask him to clarify

[@otenyop]

​@@kibzshow7122correct it was after the 1982 attempted coup d'etat

[@Leleikjl]

Agree ....

[@RobertVosena]

From what I read somewhere, Muthemba was related to Njonjo. He was charged in 1981 for trying to overthrow the government. Njonjo was probably investigated then. This is what I believe.

[@kijanayaaput8940]

Story imechacha hapa. Iko Nini asante kwa kupatiana chance ilitupate hizo mastory.

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@jamesmutua5873]

This man doesn't really know exactly what transpire on Jomo Kenyatta's death. When Kenyatta died in Mombasa technically the Chief of Staff is the one who calls the shots, so for this man to talk of Airforce Commander excluding Gen. Mulinge is a big lie. Gen. Mulinge is the one who called the cabinet and ordered Njonjo to read the Constitution what it says in such circumstances, and that is how Moi took over for 90 days before an election. What was the Britich High Commissioner doing about this issue???

[@IkoNini]

The question would be why did he lie?

[@Jitenge98]

The reason why Mahmoud was in Nairobi in August 82 was because he had reached the retirement age and was in Nairobi for final clearance into civilian life.

[@SP1-media]

Did you torture Hezbon Odiero?😂😂

[@emmanuelwekesa1155]

You have been caught in a lie Khwatenge. The other day you were busy yap yaping ati oh ukiguza Raila watu wake they become emotional,oh there's no one who called from Norway oh sijui what bullshit

[@Samsonngugi-q6z]

When did a mere clerk in the military become an investigator of serious government matters. Some of us have also been there for long.

[@mansurvictor5620]

Njonjo,James Gichuru,mbiyu koinange and moi belonged to a fraternity I would not mention . The reason Moi respected njonjo was probably some degrees senior to Moi..

[@IkoNini]

😲😲

[@stevenyanaro7995]

You have opened my eyes

[@onsando1]

I don’t know if I am the only one struggling to add things up. It’s 40 minutes on and weh . Or am I slow understanding Hezron?

[@IkoNini]

Anasema hakukuwa na coup just a plan to reduce some tribes from the airforce

[@blessedknjugush1983]

we need both(kwhatenge) in an interview

[@IkoNini]

Thinking the same 😁

[@miakomararo5343]

Big up Mwaf. It's good to see the old timers have trust and respect for this podcast. Kazi Safi kaka.

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@elly300]

Near 90% of the targeted community after the coup were Luo ex soldiers,heroes

[@IkoNini]

👀

[@kirowompeter1706]

why this hate for Luos

[@Jitenge98]

I know Mahmoud personally, I know his daughter (Mrs Duale) personally. In fact, I was to join the Airforce in February 83, only that the police came earlier in October 82.

[@the_usual_suspect9437]

What does that prove or disprove?

[@RUTHMUKHONGO-u9c]

Njonjo was the minister for constitutional affairs at that time.

[@IkoNini]

👊🏿👊🏿

[@mohamedmurunga2880]

It's true that talk of a coup was in the air days before 1st Aug 82.

[@IkoNini]

😳😳

[@lincolnhosea8204]

He justifies Ji-tenge's point that Moi became president after the coup. The fact that he orchestrated it, solidifies the point

[@IkoNini]

😁

[@beatkidd]

This should be a movie

[@IkoNini]

💯

[@FELIXINYOTI]

Awesome and deep conversations

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@Jitenge98]

HESBON appears to brand anybody a Maj Gen. Mulinge, Sawe, Mahmoud etc. As a military man, he should have known that Mulinge was a full General (4*) Sawe was a Lieutenant Gen (3*) and Mahmoud was a Maj Gen (2*). For a civilian to confuse, it’s okay, but a Senior NCO !

[@mbatiajimmy5066]

James, why are you trying to discredit Hesbon based on a small matter of rank mix up? One can easily get ranks mixed up!! It has been over 40 years since Odiero interacted with those men for God’s sake!

[@IkoNini]

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[@thomasaoko8477]

He is a bit old now. This happened over 40 yrs ago .

[@kevinMuthami-b5t]

It is common for anyone to use the term General for anyone that had hit the rank of Major or General. I know of many lieutenant colonels but when talking they are called Colonels. Nothing strange about that.

[@Dennis_Okelo]

Omwami Lando, did you at any time torture Raila personally?

[@hommerhworld9007]

Kenya nchi ya wakora😂😂😂

[@IkoNini]

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[@mbatiajimmy5066]

Odiero says the 1982 coup was a ploy by Moi to kick Kikuyu’s and Luo’s out of the military. Which indeed happened after the 1882 ploy coup! Thousands of Kenyans died when the Moi’s coup ploy took place! Many other innocent people suffered great loses. Nairobi was completely destroyed during the coup fracas! Moi was thought to be a good Christian leader like Ruto himself claims to be. But now evidence is coming out based on what Odiero is saying that Moi allowed many Kenyans to die and property destroyed for him to strength his rule. What measures have been put in place to make sure Ruto does not do the same thing to stay in power past 2027??

[@IkoNini]

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[@aluken6800]

Odiero does not have clear facts. He is selective in recalling facts. Njonjo was minister for constitutional affairs

[@imagineSasa]

Za huyu mzee ni siasa😂 anafaa tu kurudi Kenya ashikane na Wajackoya wadanganye wajaluo

[@reubenothuol1823]

He was in the middle of the whole coup, you were not, shut up.

[@salomenewsome4188]

Please be nice

[@IkoNini]

😳

[@kevinswahili1991]

civilians kaeni kando use two ears and darubini tu... microphone ni ya watu wa uniform

[@mbatiajimmy5066]

Odiero - a lot of things you are saying here seems to contradict what Watenge has said about the coup in reference to Raila betraying Njonjo to get out of prison! Odiero, can you set the facts straight about what James Watenge has said against Raila? I am glad you have come out so we can fact check Watenge’s above the neck computer😂😂😂!!!

[@IkoNini]

I will ask Hezbon about his experience in detention and if his paths and Raila’s crossed

[@antonynyaga3304]

Wonderful political history

[@IkoNini]

🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@obuyacharles8839]

in kenya conspiracy takes our greater part ....😢😢😢😢😮

[@davidochieng4479]

I love the show always that bring us to the limelight...seems like archeological past folded events history even uganda cant relate this koz it was like squid game

[@ogana_M]

I have never hear Raila deny accusations that he was one of the ring leaders of the coup attempt.I wish Ochuka was alive. He would have shed some light on whether Raila was involved or not.

[@IkoNini]

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[@robbenoweke5005]

They were coned to believe so by Moi

[@eriqueettours6011]

Raila wasnt involved but when people thinks they maligning him.politically,he rides on it for votes gains

[@wycliffepoet5201]

Makarios khwatenge anasema ushike simu😂