Ep. 281 | Prepping - What’s the Best Strategy?

Prepare for dynamic conversation where Mark Boardman, Jimmy Hamilton, and Ryan Muckenhirn dive down the prepping rabbit hole. This is a philosophical discussion that explores their personal thoughts, potential strategies, things they consider and more. The unknown is the unknown, so how do you prepare? Good question. We are still sorting it out ourselves - and may continue to with future podcasts. Are you prepared?
00:00 - Intro
4:54 - Shortages
8:13 - Bug Out vs Burrow In
19:09 - Neighbor - Friend or Foe
23:11 - Type of Scenario
26:35 - Basic Needs and Equipment
30:06 - gear vs skills
37:07 - Staying Out of Sight
41:14 - Gear - Necessary vs Unnecessary Items
43:5 - Type of Scenario (cont.)
46:26 - Learning New Skills
55:33 - No Backup
57:21 - Hygiene
1:01:42 - Closing Thoughts
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[@fatbackcrowe2448]

Community is key. Band together, pull resources and defend your area and work together to support the community.

[@VortexNation]

Good strategy for sure! Mark B.

[@ramblinfan99]

The key to an SHTF situation, is to rebuild community and a local economy as soon as possible. That is the quickest way out. Civilization is built by ppl working together.

[@imafreakinhistorian2169]

If you've got meat, and they have potatoes , you'd make great trading partners. Team Work , If another trud hits the fan , you go into belly crawl mode !

[@jordanlongstreet3057]

Band together with a bunch of people that would throw you to the wolves if they thought it would benefit them even though they have no idea what theyre doing..nah im good im avoiding all people and taking care of me and my girl and my dog. 3 contributors is a lot easier to manage than 50 dead weight idiots.

[@joshuahutton8349]

This was a fun conversation. I think John Lovell from the Worrior Poet Society would be an interesting person for you guys to talk to in future episodes about preparedness.

[@DontDoDaylight]

I’ve officially lost 80lbs since mid-October! That’s part of my prepping. Just used your binos to look at the stars over the weekend. Awesome & thanks for the great podcast

[@andrewwaldron9425]

great job!

[@20alroco]

More content similar to this, please. Keep up the good work my friends!!

[@blakebell6720]

Never thought you guys would do this podcast but man I’m glad you did

[@VortexNation]

Glad you liked it! It's a deep topic for sure! Thanks for listening! Mark B.

[@Rolley189]

Bicycles are a sorely underrated mode of transportation. Way faster than walking, much quieter than a car, very low maintenance and relatively low cost. Put on some paneir/saddle bags a frame bag, and a basket for the handle bars and you have a two wheeled cart. Combined with a medium/large hiking pack and you can carry quite a bit of supplies.

[@VortexNation]

Absolutely! 🙌

[@andrewmerchain3853]

Great episode guys, love hearing people think and work through all these issues. I nominate the man, the myth, the legend: Les Stroud, The Survivorman himself!!!

[@papaswoodshop4873]

I have been in preparedness for along time. If you focus on these few things you will be in pretty good shape for any situation. Food Water Shelter Self defense and a few People you Trust. Start small and build from there.

[@jamesgardner4126]

I absolutely love the Garand Thumb idea! It'd 1) be hilarious, but 2) he was an actual survival instructor so, he does in fact have the credentials. And yes, please do a continuation of this!

[@Patrickwowful]

That’s @campingwithsteve, 37:20! Always a good watch.

[@coreystock5361]

Simple and light for mobility. Education is key.

[@tacticalsnoopy]

Love this episode. My plan: 1. If scenario is likely to be a local event or short term, bug in with my supplies that are for off grid. 2. If scenario is life changing/long term, bug out to the hunting cabin for my hill to die on

[@adamnajera1297]

I got goose bumps when I seen this in my feed. Thank you.

[@VortexNation]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@carsonnaylor5938]

I'd recommend bringing in the guys from Dirty Civilian. They are all about self sustainment and preparedness.

[@joshuaprice4891]

Love the ep. Just bought a defender because of your red dot ep and I love it. I have been getting more and more into prep (still just a normal guy in a normal house in town) and the more I research and plan the more I lean into medical. My brother almost died from a poke with a tweezers. No cut is too small to matter. You still need to eat, but medical is a must.

[@VortexNation]

Thanks for tuning in, Joshua! Glad you're liking the Defender. Great points about medical preparation. Definitely a must!

[@zactanner5187]

You guys hit the nail on the head. As someone who has been a "prepper" from a young age who's outlook on TEOTWAWKI has drastically evolved, what I came to realize is that there is no good plan. Focusing on the core components, food water shelter security, is all you can do because specializing your preps is downright foolish.

[@davidbarrett8351]

Two Strategies, Hold the line and refugee. Be prepared for both.

[@moshkid16]

Yee yee lets go! Happy Monday brothers!

[@VortexNation]

My man 🙌

[@moshkid16]

@@VortexNation T rex arms has an excellent video up of the "modern day minuteman" where some dudes go over a kit set up for bugging out. Very informative realistic starting point. You guys argued some valid points with staying agile, longevitity, sustainability, knowledge vs kit, amenities etc If you know an area you want to bug out to outdoor then you could always store or bury supplies there before a shtf event. I think having a plan that covers the main needs in most situations is what everyone should aim for. Knowledge, kit, protection I try to build preps in with my normal purchases but always moving towards a common goal of being ready. You absolutely need a team, the romanticization of the lone wolf scenario is vastly unrealistic for a lot of people.

[@luloadventure]

Podcast Suggestion about this Topic: The story of Christopher McCandless ("Into the Wild" - Book/Film) Did he "Boug-Out"?? failed in his goal of surviving in the wild?? I think this True Story could be a very good example to everybody think is easy to survive in the wild just having a nice equipment. Thank you for this interesting Podcast. (many question on the air)

[@lukeandrew8102]

I think as a young guy you fantasize being the lone wander with no rule but your own but when you have a family have to be realistic and have a group or community with different skills and still have to follow some kind of rules even if the world collapse

[@fermentillc]

Always carry a spool of snare wire. Truly the unsung survival hero in your pack. That and powder sodium chlorite.

[@hopefully2alpha]

Active hunting will be a poor use of time, trapping is definitely the way to go!!

[@VortexNation]

The bare essentials! :) Can't disagree with that. Mark B.

[@fermentillc]

@@hopefully2alpha hurray! black bird pie for dinner!

[@dontrellmcgee6226]

Great show!!

[@lpellum8809]

Prepairing for an emergency is easy. Avoid specialised preparations. Focus on survival (shelter, protection, water, food, medicine, comfort) for 3 days that is portable. Then 1 week that is portable. Then 2 weeks that is portable. Then 30 days that is either stationery or portable. Then 3 months stationary supply. Then 6 month supply. Then 12 month supply. By 12 months you should have 12 months of food canned basics (rice, beans, wheat, etc) and 3-6 months of rotational perishables to integrate into the long term canned basics. Bug out only works if you have a place / family to go to. Which includes preps for there too. As you prepaire for a year you can work on additional specialised preparation... Which is more fun to do.

[@holeinmind]

I kept coming back to finish this episode. I hope you guys do more in the future.

[@VortexNation]

We're glad to hear you enjoyed it, my friend! Thanks so much for tuning in and stay tuned!

[@jacketling3409]

Love the video. I think this subject requires an entire series. Each one an apocalyptic scenario is presented and discussion begins.

[@VortexNation]

Stay tuned!

[@donaldmonroe8503]

Excellent conversation. Hope to see more, thank you. His name is Steve Wallis and he is a solid guy.

[@timsauer1079]

Can't tell you how much I love this content. All the scenarios discussed make you think of better ways to cope with hard times. Keep it coming we want more!!!

[@VortexNation]

thanks for tuning in! More to come - stay tuned!

[@jimyeats]

With regards to figuring out what to bring for your light weight setup and how to survive longer term while traveling we only need to look towards thru hikers and back packers. The only major items they are restocking on is food and water. Sure, some misc items here and there, but look to them. They have an entire industry that has figured this out.

[@shaneshirley1634]

Very interesting.

[@kurtgellert9166]

Great episode! The key here is forethought and have allies in the survival plan. Use the buddy system. Have a fallback position that is in a location where few people will be willing to go within 1-2 tanks of fuel to get there. Then have all the items you need for survival for at least six months.

[@danielkearney3295]

you guys need to run with this idea! keep it going!

[@VortexNation]

Stay tuned 😎

[@roadblock2486]

Solid gold as usual gents... so true about the vast majority of the population that wouldn't last a week once the lights go out. Where we live we get cyclones that can take out our power for a week or more at least once every couple of years. Not an issue for us but our neighbours lose their minds!

[@shepherd5051]

Steve Wallis is the stealth camper the guys were talking about around the 37 minute mark

[@sigaso28]

Cooperation and community is more resource efficient. Sharing a bit with your neighbors is far better than constantly fighting off the whole world on your own.

[@oscarbear7498]

My plan is just a revolver with the old fashion lee reloading kit, the one you use a soft hammer. So if you find bullets, you can break them open use the gunpowder to make bullets for your caliber.

[@josesuro3981]

Lessons spoken here do not apply in FL - too provincial to Wisconsin. Down here in FL, learn how to sail - AND how to fish. Assuming a limited fuel supply, jump on a sailboat that has a wind generator, solar panels and batteries, then get at least 100 miles of the coast. You will always need power, wherever you are. Ham radios are a necessity. Osmosis water makers are a necessity. Propane / charcoal / solar ovens are a necessity. Weather instruments are a necessity. 100 miles out on the water you're the predator, not the prey. On land, all bets are off. On a sailboat with all of the above, far away from land, you can survive for months on end.

[@jerrymartin5100]

When you are bugged in, you have your resources and need to protect them, which is a challenge, you need a team to do that. When you bug out you have to face many more potential adversaries looking to take what little you have, and if alone, you can be dead in hours. I'm bugging in, and defending my ground until I can't any longer.

[@ninjasquirrels]

No matter what happens tomorrow, be it the zombie apocalypse or nothing at all, there’s always one preparedness that will ALWAYS serve you well; Good physical fitness. Get as fit as possible as soon as possible, start today because putting it off will only make it more difficult.

[@thejoker_5.028]

You should do a collaboration with @shawnryan on this topic. Former NSW, CIA, and I think he has a lot of experience and advice he could talk about and offer! Big fan of the channel. Watch the videos every time they come out, thanks for the enjoyment guys!

[@VortexNation]

We can definitely look into that! Thanks so much for the suggestion, Micah!

[@bigmooi]

Maybe you guys could discuss this subject with the products you sell... Binos for surveying/scouting, scopes for defending/hunting, LVPO/dots for CQB, range finders for distancing for offensive/defense....just an idea... Even etched glass vs electric optics Simple optics over hightech and argument point could be hey we offer one of the best warranties in the market, but what if we are down for whatever reason you would want this scope vs this scope kind of debate. Like 1 scope for defense/offense /hunting...like that and I would hope it would not be just razor this and razor that....

[@James-WM]

I think a really important consideration for people who plan to stay in is community building. Even the people who are taking a hike, it would still be valuable to make connections so you can begin a bartering process and trade your resources or skill for medical items, shelter components etc with those trusted families. Community building is something we all should be doing more of, catastrophe or not it is not unlikely that someday you'll need your neighbors help or vice-versa. Better to have a relationship beforehand than need help the first time you talk to them.

[@lukehansen1023]

Would love to see a series on this topic. Maybe categories of food, medicine, guns, fire/shelter tips, etc. In more detail. Thanks guys. Love your podcasts, always informative and fun group of people.

[@VortexNation]

Hmmmmmmm! Good Idea! Thanks for listening! Mark B.

[@chillumvillain6801]

I mean, throughout history, the people who have done well are the people who have established forts, castles, etc. and exploited the resources outside of their territory. Being light and nimble is great in concept, but nomadic people don’t tend to do as well with history as a guide. It’s probably best to have a place where you can stay, but be light and nimble when you leave to gather resources. This would require a community though to be effective though.

[@AllThingsLoud_]

Something everyone could use is food, rifle and pistol, ammunition, vodka for so many reasons, and survivalist/minimalist mindset

[@crazyharry1586]

Training and Practice before you start buying everything. Know how to use it and find out if your capable of using it :) Great podcast guys, Thank you

[@VortexNation]

Thank YOU for tuning in!

[@lpellum8809]

Prepairing is like home owners or life insurance... But cheeper and more fun!

[@pettryb01]

If you want to test your skills try living on the Portland Oregon streets for a week or two.

[@user-rv3zu1rv4s]

Good stuff boys, elaborate. More survival pods :)

[@VortexNation]

Stay tuned 😎

[@jackpinesavagemn]

I think there are two strategies that might be viable, depending on the scenario. One is to live rural, as sustainable as possible, and have a group or organized neighborhood large enough to provide security and labor. The second strategy is to be nomadic and travel to jobs and security. This strategy was pretty common during the great depression. IMHO living in a populated area is a bad strategy. Read up on Selco in the Balkan war. A guest you might consider is Greg Ellifritz from Active Response Training. I just finished reading one of his book recommendations, Locusts on the Horizon, which advocated the nomad approach. I got out of the Cities in 1996, I've been thinking about this stuff for awhile. Tell Adam hi from one of the Morris crew.

[@POTBActual]

Heck ya, this is my jam.

[@POTBActual]

I'm glad you are all brining up these topics. I'll be bugging out day 2. Gotta prep, eat, sleep well and then move out before panic settles on those that still have comforts in their home. Heck ya skills replace gear as well.

[@POTBActual]

People are a resource, those that control food can "control" people and grow stronger. Thinking that there is no coming back. If you do come back you were the guy that fed others in need. Win win

[@POTBActual]

I will always add what gives me the advantage until in hinders me (being overnumbered), adding "things" with multiple functions helps reduce items.

[@lpellum8809]

If on the go and out of gas can use a hand wagon to pull some stuff.... But maybe safer off trail... Avoid conflict....!!

[@kennethboucherie2612]

I would like a pod cast series on this. Some thoughts that come to my head would be a flex fuel vehicle that is extremely common for parts scavaging ability, 1999-2011 Chevy 2500 gas 6.0 flex fuel. you could distill alcohol and produce your own fuel fairly simply. 9mm pistol with optional brace for stability when needed(g34). 1 223 based ar. 1 22 rifle cz457 and suppressors for each. Hold up at home until not reasonable any more and then move. I’m pretty rule feel like it would take time for the collapse to reach panic in my area.

[@VortexNation]

We can definitely add this to the idea board, Kenneth! Thanks so much for the great suggestions and for tuning in! Stay tuned!

[@awsomedude9111]

Have a good Reliable vehicle, then a camper is the foundation I believe, unless you want a giant boat (Far in-Land on a lake)

[@Kaiserland111]

I'm with the majority that supports staying in place with tons of stockpiled resources and rebuilding my community. You guys that think you can trek through the wilderness for months are deluded and missing the most important part of the whole scenario - the resolution. If you've got a wife and kids camping in the wilderness you're going to run out of resources and equipment pretty soon and you won't be able to replace anything. I'll be at home gardening, working with my neighbors to establish a safe neighborhood, putting people to work that have useful skills, and re-establishing society. My house will continue to function as durable protection from the elements, a store of resources, a gathering place for friends and family, and a symbol of normalcy and stability. I'll be able to stockpile resources that you can only dream of, both in quantity and usefulness, like portable solar panels to recharge batteries in a ham radio or flashlight or electric stove, hanging water filters to passively purify rain water, all the tools I have for making repairs or building things, etc. There will almost certainly be a period of rampant looting as unprepared people run out of food and water, and services have been out for a few days to a few weeks. But eventually the unprepared will die, mostly without me having to shoot them, while people like you that have bugged out won't have the mobility necessary to reach my town once you've relocated to the wilderness. So after a short period of instability and insanity, me and my merry band of prepared friends, family, and neighbors will be free to restart services and rebuild our community. Towns and cities are also going to be the primary places that governmental forces (if there is any functioning government at the time) will come to look for survivors to help. Meanwhile you will either continue to regress towards primitive living as your non-renewable resources run out, or you'll stumble upon a town like mine and pray the people inside are willing to take in refugees. Staying in makes way more sense than bugging out in the vast majority of situations.

[@stevepetricca]

I do love how the only person using a coaster, is the one with an insulated drinking vessel. Muckenirn is pure class.

[@VortexNation]

He is a gentleman and a scholar.

[@jennifermorgan6913]

It is so easy to get lost in the endless variations of this scenario once we get started down the rabbit hole. But it is kinda fun😂

[@oscarbear7498]

The deeper you go the more you realize how screwed you are

[@VortexNation]

🥲

[@aren8600]

I’d love to hear you guys have a conversation about preparedness with Mike Glover with Fieldcraft Survival!

[@dannyedwards2221]

Don’t know that there are “experts” in this field much outside of maybe some select military personnel. However, you all might try and consider how different parts of the country will require a different strategy.

[@VortexNation]

That's a great point! Maybe we can explore this in future episodes. We added it to the idea board, thanks Danny!

[@yuuyiatakahashi1943]

A Plan, Protection, Comms, Water, Food, Shelter, Hygiene.

[@yuuyiatakahashi1943]

One thing to consider as well, is if you’re ‘Bugging Out’ have a contingency if roads are not usable. But know HOW you’re getting there, how long it takes, so forth. And if your location includes other parties who are convening, actually Make A Group plan where everyone has a responsibility that increases to over all survivability of the group. And so on

[@yuuyiatakahashi1943]

Things of traceable value like: Coffee, Salt, Sugar, flower/corn meal, seeds for planting if thing are expected to go long term. Water purification-large scale. How are you going to manage waste?

[@bradh8391]

Staying light and nimble makes sense, but if you have a family quite difficult to do. Having a good supply of food and water wherever you live is the best you can plan for because there are so many different scenarios.

[@VortexNation]

Many different scenarios and many many ways to handle them!

[@bradh8391]

@@VortexNation For sure 👍

[@Nanstar0k]

2 guns - 22 LR bolt action & 22 LR revolver. I understand my range is short but large ammo volume in small package. Very reliable and simple actions. The revolver was good enough to win the west.

[@concernedaussie1330]

Hell yeah ❤it.

[@kennywolfjr.6413]

A gun without ammo is a club, but a gun you can affix a bayonet to is a spear. Aka the most effecctive weapon to exist before guns. You could give it to peasant infantry and win a war with it.

[@jimyeats]

I think you either need to have a phenomenal community, or you need to live off the grid to begin with. As your best initial options. We’re far off the main road and completely off the grid. Literally other than parts breakdown with regards to solar and battery components we could live for years without any outside needs other than foraging for food. Anything else is just a matter of short time before your grid tied home couldn’t function any longer. I think being light and nimble, and having a setup that is light and nimble is certainly important in the very small chance you can’t reasonable stay at your home, but the romantic mindset of setting of and just trekking around surviving is unrealistic. You’re light and nimble setup is just to GET YOU to an area you can survive without being visible. So in my mindset that’s what I’m trying to do.

[@woodlandreconjoshdrakes5509]

My ar would be my choice, but my 1895 trapper 4570 would be a close second, even though no point in hunting small game with it lol

[@topshot89]

You should bring in John Lovell from warrior poet society to talk about bugging in or bugging out! He does some good talks on it

[@jeremyjohnson3974]

Any podcast with a Joe Dirt reference is gotta be good

[@TMar129]

Great podcast! I think a great guest would be Bear Grylls haha he definitely knows the outdoors and he's an interesting fella to listen to. He would definitely be able to speak to the average persons inabilities as well as what it takes to survive. Another good group to pick from would be any of the winners from the show Alone.

[@DominicZelenak]

Prepare consistently across time so you don't look or act like a lunatic when shit hits the fan. You'll be the calm one who's in control of the situation.

[@g24thinf]

Hey Jimmy, Panzerfaust one shot, shaped charged, rocket launcher. That's what you saw on B of B's. Panzerschreck, crew served 88mm German copy of the Bazooka. Just saying

[@VortexNation]

Ahhh that's where we saw it.

[@AllThingsLoud_]

The guys from the dirty civilian channel would be great cohost for this topic

[@dodgyass11]

What belt is mark in kendo?

[@puddles5666]

We need each of you to build a sub ~65lb bug out load-out and go over your choices. Includes shelter, cloths, weapon, tools, and a starter pack of food and water.

[@VortexNation]

What a great idea! We'll definitely add that to the idea board. Thanks so much for the suggestions, my friend!

[@rossmara8377]

Love Jim’s nasally voice. It’s cool 👌

[@davidbarrett8351]

I made it 38 minutes in. I never heard one word about radio communication. Was it ever mentioned? Also need to define the difference between holding the line and refugee status. Thats basically the two different strategies of prepping.

[@localcoastanglers6660]

do a cartridge talk on the 8.6 blackout !!

[@VortexNation]

We'll get that on our list! 🙌

[@YaBoiSquid]

I would love to see Paul Harrell on the show!

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Honestly red dawn is the best scenario. The enemy is easy to ID, the mission is simple, we're set. But reality is often disappointing, and Red Dawn is the least likely scenario. Civil unrest is here to stay, disasters both natural and otherwise will continue, in internal enemy would be the worst because it's neighbor on neighbor at that point. But again, the most likely scenario is a disaster, and if you prepare for that you'll also find yourself prepared for a lot of other things.

[@danielbeach4855]

Guys - I watched 8 minutes - you bombed this - get James Wesley, Rawles on here from SurvivalBlog - he has been at this for 2 decades.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

The best preparedness is cardio, second to that would just be food, water, and weapons, but these are all things a home should have anyways. Books are also great because they don't need power to operate. Also get a bicycle. Great for exercise, and doesn't require gas. And you're not getting gas. And before you say "I have a diesel, it can run on anything", no, no it can't. Any diesel made after 2010 requires DEF to operate or it will limit your speed down to 5 mph. It also won't run on anything. Non-low-sulfur fuel will clog up your emissions system before your tank runs out. Do you have a diesel made prior to 2010? Good for you, it still requires on-road diesel to operate, which will be in short supply before people with bigger guns than you stake a claim. Do you have a proper old mechanical diesel that can actually run on chicken droppings? Cool, welcome to the club that has a small handful of members who are also now targets for people who will kill you for that vehicle. Your car will be useful, it can move a lot of stuff further and faster than you can, it's a shelter, and it can negotiate a path through people that don't want you coming through, but it's lifespan is limited to the amount of fuel you have in it, and you're probably on 1/8 of a tank as we speak.

[@newerest1]

Bugging out isn't a viable strategy if there's no where specific to go. if you own a log cabin in the woods that's great but make sure it's stocked up - and you better hope you can get there, and that it wasn't raided.

[@lawrencemeadonia7500]

The most likely event for a collapse of rule of law will be from environmental disaster, political/economic turmoil, and national conflict, in that order. For 98% of cases the zone of impact will be finite. So, getting to a safe location is your best bet for survival. Having an immediate and planned response is the best way to accomplish this. If you have a family, then account for them because in the long run, they will be more exposed in a bad location than a temporary trip and the early phase of an imminent catastrophe will actually have the least conflict.

[@bradbo3]

Thermals and red dots are all kaput if an EMP is set off. Im staying put…i have a stream, MRE’s, wood, enough ammo to arm a 3rd world country….lifestraws…water jugs….patriot supply foods…..all kinds of camping supplies if needed to head into the woods. Im thinking of getting a faraday box for a few flashlights and a red dot or two…

[@sha6mm]

What's the most important piece of gear ? Sawyer Squeeze why without clean water to drink you will be sick and not able to react to what ever happens.

[@oscarbear7498]

This is my favorite episode 😂, if amazing how fast it moves "yeah I'll buy some peanut butter for survival" to "I'll kill anyone who invades my horde of toilet paper " Once the imagination kicks it it quickly gets crazy 🤪, fun to talk about. Best build is probably the walking stick , sucker has the body basic set up, and they are everywhere. Haven't noticed? Exactly 😎

[@VortexNation]

😂 😂 😂

[@MrSabram07]

I feel like if you don't have fifty acres of land in northern Wisconsin where you can just bug out to to survive you're done.

[@robertsebacher44]

You need a community of multi skilled people. You need to stay put in an area that can sustain itself by farming and defend itself if society collapses. If it’s a natural disaster you need enough resources to last a month or two and personal or family protection. Game will become as scarce as hen’s teeth. Armed loners will probably be shot on sight.

[@YenzHouse]

I’m sure SOMEBODY’S already made the recommendation….but go read “One Second After”!! I’m on the 2nd book now “One Year After”!! I’ve been told by some way more “Versed” in preparedness than me….that it’s probably the most realistic outlook on what would happen if an actual SHTF event occurred!!!

[@cbrochu22]

I haven’t read the next books, but 1 second after is a fantastic book!

[@VortexNation]

Thanks for the recommendation! Mark B.

[@titot2370]

Basic need is not to die

[@northcountryknucklehead6977]

I may have missed it while canning, did you mention your families/responsibilities as you adventure off to wherever with your self produced "Alone" edition? Please continue as a series, great stuff.

[@VortexNation]

What were you canning? We touched on it a bit! You're right it's a huge consideration. Thanks for tuning in!

[@northcountryknucklehead6977]

@@VortexNation Homemade Chili, with venison and beans...you guys are awesome keep up the great content!

[@VortexNation]

YUM. Appreciate the support!

[@chadillac95]

As usual, I agree with Ryan. Dissappear and stay small

[@narref04]

You need quarters and an EZ Pass for the bugout bag! Seriously though, home is where the hatchet is. On a realistic level... having lived through several BAD natural disasters... sometimes its all about who your are around. Nat disaster in MX cty..LA or NOLA.. and its a $hit show. people become savages when an earthquake, or cat4-5 happens. Went through a cat 5 in the Fl Keys, and my neighboors "community is key" . We where on an island, we depended on eachother to stay alive and keep looters away. First things first... move out and away from major cities. Build Community, but keep your circle and those you trust small. the less people know what and how much you have, the safer you and your fam will be. Alcohol and cigarettes are as desired by some as much as food and water. prep for it all... and pray the worst of it never happens.

[@dougalmcalpine6804]

Disappear but continue to observe from over watch positions and let the crazy people fight it out for resources. Even your seemingly trustworthy neighbours would become unpredictable when facing starvation so adaptation to the wilderness and harvesting meat and fish would be an advantage if successful. Learning methods to preserve food would be essential as well as medical supplies and hygiene. Having a very well hidden base camp for the bulk of your supplies but continuing to stay mobile in a strategic way would enhance your awareness of a larger area including corridors leading to the previously civilised areas. Doing this would keep you in touch with possible threats and give you time to relocate your supplies if needed. If you can last long enough there may be opportunities to claim other resources once the crazies have killed each other off. Most importantly though would be harvesting fresh food and water. Ps. A 30cal bolt action hunting rifle

[@BRADASSOFFGRIDHOMESTEAD]

Prepping is easy. Eat Carnivore for one, live food never spoils and you will be WAY healthier. 2 you need solar and well water. 3 you need an arsenal, buy everything you need to reload, and then keep buying it. 4 buy a lathe, and copper... make your own bullets. Know how to "reload primers", I could go on..

[@lynx-alpha2073]

The weight thing is huge, people dont realize that you cant carry what you need to survive in a backpack. For those that think they can? Do a milsim for atleast 48h just to get a taste.

[@oscarbear7498]

I tell my friends this. They all want to get heavy guns, with tons of ammo, and plate carriers. I'm like bro, try running I'm that lol. Best best if a handgun with 50 rounds, why? Because carring water is way more important than a gun, also hygiene. Bugs& bacteria will kill you 10000x over than someone shooting at u with limited supply

[@MrSabram07]

Best-case scenario is to find a place to safely hunker down with food shelter and weapons. And hopefully there's light at the end of the tunnel cuz any of these scenarios are unsustainable. We would be the last generation

[@JustinJFilson]

You keep talking about society breaking down and your going to survive on your own. Even the best prepared preppers can't do it without a community of manufactures food grows, a complete society and supply chain. let change the conversations from gear and lone wolfing it to community building now before society breaks down. You keep coming back to society breaking down so solve that problem with society building now. Meet your neighbors, connect with you church, hunting groups, co-works to find supply chains now so when it breaks down you have people to turn with help you through it.

[@lisaannaallen6283]

why a handgun always wins over 2 subguns in the movies

[@edwardnorris9859]

Bear from bear independent

[@kcv5716]

Within minutes the highway would be clogged up. You'd be better off on a motorcycle w/trailer.

[@lpellum8809]

Camping in public places is very common in CA.... We call these campers homeless drug addicts...