Ep. 44 - Home Theater Setup. Audyssey Editor App. Full AVR Home Theater Setup!!

[@danielwander605]

Man, you are so right about mic locations. I finally learned this like 3 weeks ago with Dirac. Kept getting crummy responses after RC and finally it occurred to me to stop giving it info it doesn’t really need. So kept the measurements tight to LPs, and also gave it two points behind the chairs that had bad peaks that were causing some bad rattle. Results were so good.

[@hometheatergurus]

Yep. I've had the same results over and over.

[@RichardNutman]

I only ever do 3 measurements. Middle of couch, left couch seat and right couch seat. That's where you sit, that's where you want it to sound the best.

[@danielwander605]

@@RichardNutman That's probably the case most of the time. Dirac seems to do a better job with the more points you give it though. Also, boomy bass and room rattle bug the hell out of me so i found benefit in finding peaks in areas outside of the listening area and including them in the calibration. But I wouldnt think you could go nuts with that without hurting the listening positions.

[@RichardNutman]

@@danielwander605 Yeah I think so, you may end up cutting out some frequencies when the mic was in an anti-node, that would've sounded fine on the couch. I think the many positions thing is more for normal living rooms with chairs at the side. A single couch in front of the listening position most likely doesn't benefit from any additional mic positions.

[@danielwander605]

@@RichardNutman Its a balancing act for sure. Lot of trial and error. In the end i was willing to give up a little at my MLP to stomp out the boom-iness behind me. I found it to be a much more enjoyable experience.

[@stevegyivicsan4215]

I've been listening to music for 50yrs. And Sr. What you just taught me in this 35min. tutorial. I didn't have a life time of knowledge stored in my heads worth. I hope you get what lm tring to say. Thank you and looking forward for more tutorials from your channel 😊

[@cableguydan]

Many thanks for the tips, Steven. Using the Audyssey app to restrict EQ above 400hz is a great tip, and certainly something I’d have never thought of. I set the app to ignore any EQ above 399hz on my Marantz SR7011 with my Bowers and Wilkins 600 series speakers. Although subtle, I’m pretty sure that my speakers are now performing better. I tested this in A/B style with a song I know well and the results seemed positive. Thanks again. 🙏🤩

[@peerguy]

Thank you. This helped a lot. I had no clue about some of those features. My home theater opened up after I adjusted reference level to opposite of the mistake in this video and turned on dynamic Eq and turned off mid range compensation.

[@sportcomputerservices6438]

I thanked you on your Atmos speaker placement video, and now I’m thanking you on this video as well! Followed your instructions on our new systems first calibration and holly crap it sounds amazing. Thank you for all your hard work, professionalism and pragmatic REAL WORLD advice that’s backed up by logical thinking and deep knowledge and research but explained in a way that makes sense. It’s so great that you are going against the old wisdom and thinking about the mistakes people have made in the past and fixing it for all of us. The customers you have that are close enough to use you are very lucky. Cheers from New Zealand.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks for the kind words and very glad the info has helped you!

[@DevonRegan]

Can’t thank you enough for this video. I was doing everything you said here already except for one critical thing...limiting the frequency at which Audyssey was applied. Game changing to the sound and I finally feel ok using it now.

[@vojtechkrejci2538]

I just love your way of decoupling inner and outer walls. Never seen this detail before. Cant wait for your next video showing off the space.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! this is my 3rd house using staggered studs. Works extremely well and it's cheap.

[@vojtechkrejci2538]

@@hometheatergurus Im sure you’re gonna show it later in you videos. But do you fill all that stud space with insulation. Do you then double your sheetrock with something like green glue? And will you double on the inside or both.

[@MysteriousRider84]

21:43 what happened?

[@m4nc1n1]

for me, turning off mid-range compensation was the game-changer. I had multiple people listen with it on and then off and they all said it sounded much better off. Not a little better...MUCH better. I can't stress enough just how messed up of a decision it was for Audyssey to do this by default. I am on my 5th Marantz for over 20 years and I can't believe that my receivers were way better than I ever knew because they were purposely messing things up. If anybody watching this has a Marantz or Denon, please buy this app and turn that off. You will thank me.

[@hometheatergurus]

I agree it's a mistake for them to blindly place the dip on peoples speakers. It's Audyessy though not really Marantz as it's two different companies .

[@m4nc1n1]

@@hometheatergurus yeah that's true and I corrected it. I am still and always will be a fan of Marantz. I did try the curtain at 500Hz and only heard a slight difference, but still preferred no curtain. That was with the 6014. I just got the 7705 so I will give it another shot but at 300 this time like you said

[@hometheatergurus]

@@m4nc1n1 yeah you always experiment with it. The important thing is to understand how it all works so you aren't led to belive running auto setup and calling it done is giving you the best sound.

[@m4nc1n1]

@@hometheatergurus I ran a 10 to 120 sweep with REW and I have a bad dip at 63 and 93 (roughly) So I Just ordered the mini DSP 2x4 HD to integrate with my 2 subs. Also watched your videos. Wish me luck lol

[@Mr300mph]

Thank you very much. I followed the wrong advice and changed the distance on my sub from what the room correction had it set at. Can't want to fix it. I appreciate all the knowledge you share with us all!

[@hometheatergurus]

You're welcome! Unfortunately there's a lot of bad information out there.

[@InvestingwithKurt]

@@hometheatergurus Indeed, part of it because people do not know... and they would socialize their interpretation. Your advice has been the best and I am personally following it to the letter.

[@PETROL_Ted78]

In my situation I had to change both my subwoofer distance settings 3 to 4 feet further. This gave me a much better allignment. I measured this with REW. I've got a 7.2.4 setup. (dual svs sb1000)

[@InvestingwithKurt]

@@PETROL_Ted78 If you want this to be "scientifically accurate" and take out the trial and error measurements, you can use REW 's Alignment Tool. Take your center speaker measurement @80Hz and your virtual sub measurement @80Hz and click on "Align phase at cursor"

[@johandeen6096]

Great vid! Denon says that you should not limit FR to 300hz because: "There is a belief that room correction should only be applied to frequencies below 300 Hz because that is the frequency range in which most of the room problems occur. This belief is based on an inherent assumption that a properly designed loudspeaker will perform as desired at higher frequencies and thus require no correction. This is not at all contradictory to MultEQ XT. If the loudspeaker is in fact properly designed then no correction will be applied to it. One simple fact that the proponents of this theory seem to overlook is that even the best designed loudspeakers will suffer from artifacts at high frequencies produced by reflections from nearby flat surfaces such as display screens, furniture or cabinets. MultEQ XT performs this kind of correction when it is needed to allow the loudspeaker to achieve the performance it was designed to have." So what to do?

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks, we cover this in the video and explain why you may not want to do full eq based on a few spots in the room that you may or may not always listen at. Try it and see what you like.

[@Roo-n9j]

Very interesting about the LPF. I've been reading a thread on AVSforum that states otherwise. They also advocate running a second steeper LPF with miniDSP(48dB slope) as most users tend to boost the last 2 octaves much higher than the mains/surrounds. This has a purpose to lower chestiness in vocals from center channel and also to improve midbass impact. Anyways, super fun to experiment and thanks for an awesome channel. Can't wait to see the house build.

[@hometheatergurus]

There's always going to be others doing something different. Measure and get a nice smooth transition and enjoy. Chestiness would be seen in the response.

[@jsgrise]

LFE LPF can be lowered if you run your subs hot to get better integration. If not, leave it at 120Hz.

[@robertschuster312]

Welcome back Steve, I missed your amazing videos, they are so helpful.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Robert! You should be seeing a lot more of my mug for the next few months. 😁

[@dpockaj]

I can’t wait to see the new theater complete man! Glad to see you’re still making videos.

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah I'm ready to get working on it and get it done!

[@13bcoffee]

Cool ... I saw your added explanation on Dynamic EQ but I know that one was made for Dynamic Volume but I can't find it. I have both features on my Marantz receiver and have played around with it over time. At first I turned both off and the sound was decent. I decided to experiment. Dynamic EQ acts like a loudness control except that it is dynamic meaning that it changes depending on where you have the volume. It mostly boost the subwoofer and the surround speakers. That's great if you want more sound out of those speakers and useful if you mostly listen at lower levels. Dynamic Volume is a compression tool. It is not there to cut low freqs of high freqs. What it actually does is remove peaks while boosting lower sounds. So the big explosions in films are reduced. At the same time you can hear more subtle things in films such as a scene where ice cubes drop in a glass or raindrops hitting.

[@1165mac]

That’s been my experience with Dynamic Volume as well. On a poorly mixed film it makes dialogue MUCH easier to hear.

[@budgetaudiophile6048]

Love it! Had to hop on a conference call so had to pause half way through but finished it up and I love this episode! This will be one I refer back to frequently. I just purchased some new toys for the theater so once those are in and calibrated I'll have to mess around with audyssey (especially using that limiter) to see how well we can get that set up! I'm so excited!

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah I should have done this one a long time ago. It was originally going to be just the editor app but I got carried away and did it all. 😁

[@budgetaudiophile6048]

@@hometheatergurus This one is definitely worth it, though! I can see this being one of your top viewed videos of all time!

[@m4nc1n1]

I used all these until I treated my room (only first reflection, too) and set a room curve with mini-DSP 2x4 HD. Now, I turn off Multi EQ and Dynamic EQ, which sounds fantastic! A huge veil was lifted. And don't even get me started on mid-range compensation! And I have been saying for years that cutting Audyssey off after 3 positions were superior. But now it does not matter because it just sets my trim and distance since I turn off Multi EQ. I still turn it on Reference once and awhile and in 2 minutes I am like nope, lol

[@sukhmansandhu9535]

Thank You Sir!!!! Just getting my new center speaker and SVS sub today , this is going to be great help.

[@hometheatergurus]

Awesome, perfect timing!

[@larskvaloy]

The sound mixer should be the one making the distant sounds have les highs, not your receiver with the reference setting. how i understand it, that logic would make everything sound more distant. and not everything in a movie is. it is a good tool to get a little more smooth sound for longer listening sessions though! so not useless, just dont think your logic ad up. That said! i have learnd a ton of you! keep up the good work! love how deep and nerdy you go into every aspect! love it!

[@hometheatergurus]

You aren't making it sound farther than it should be. All sound does this as it travels. It's been proven over an over that a natural sound has a house curve. It is not flat. Even at distances in our rooms. Mixing studios use curves as well. What we're doing will not negate the sound guys work. We're ensuring our rooms sound comfortable and accurate. That said do what sounds good to you.

[@larskvaloy]

I just realised it is the curve that would be the one in the listening posission. Not at the speaker. Because making it flat at listening possision is of course boosting treble not letting it naturally roll of.. And making it not flat at the speaker. Then it makes sens. I for some reason tought it sendt a roll off curve from the speakers making it "double" effect in the Room if you have a large room. Sorry for your answer!

[@hometheatergurus]

@@larskvaloy we all have a moment where it clicks and it all makes sense. Nothing wrong with challenging someone when it's not adding up. I have moments like that too.

[@larskvaloy]

@@hometheatergurus Thanks for not being rude about it :D i am in the prosess of making planning my own home theatre, and these videos are great help! i thought i new a lot, now i know even more!! if you ever come to norway, come visit us at Neby Hi-Fi Concept! thats where i work!

[@burnbyc]

That is one brilliant video, I've learned so much in half an hour! Thank you 👍

[@jlbfoot]

Couple of questions... 1) I plan to use a miniDSP HD to set up 3 subs in my room. After that procedure and getting the subs working well together, I wonder about applying Audyssey correction and if it might screw up the results obtained from the miniDSP. Should the editor app be used to disable EQ for the sub channel so that Audyssey doesn't affect the work done with the miniDSP? Or, should the Audyssey correction be applied to the sub(s) "on top" of the miniDSP calibration? 2) When calibrating the sub with the miniDSP, should I shoot to calibrate to a house curve with the bass boosted? The reason I ask is that I plan to use Dynamic EQ in Audyssey. Since that boosts bass at lower than reference volumes, would calibrating to a flat curve work better than a house curve if planning to use Dynamic EQ? Thoughts and opinions are appreciated!

[@BAM-ee2jm]

Thanks for the great content! All the best for the new build!

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Bam!

[@tatts4life838]

I know it would probably be a huge amount of recording time invested but it would be cool to see you going through all the steps from all your videos with your new theater room. While I don’t have a dedicated room or matching subs I do plan to go through your sub level matching and rew videos soon when my miniDSP comes in

[@hometheatergurus]

Once the house is done and things slow down I'll be doing more frequent videos and well show a lot of the setup.

[@mendez77054ify]

I’ve set my front and center to 60 instead of 80. So so much better, I can hear the sounds way better.

[@unusualsky2300]

It was said that the multeq filter range actually only starts at about 250hz below the frequency you kept it as the software tries to even it out from the original response to the audyssey response and only uses the frequences specified underneath the one you have given it, so to compensate that we put it at 500-600 range for correction .

[@rajithskumar]

Once again a Nice Tutorial .Thank you very much for spreading the Knowledge 👍

[@hometheatergurus]

My pleasure!

[@M-J-P]

Thank you again for another great video, full of information. By the way waiting anxiously to see your media room... Whoa ha... You just fixed one of my issues. I was “correcting” subs distances. I didn’t know that It’s not a distance but the alignment with main.

[@savan28]

Hey Guru, every time I watch your reviews, my home theater improves so thank you for all these amazing reviews. Once room correction is done - do you recommend using sound meter, set volume level to 0 db and set all the speakers volume to 70-75 dB to match all speakers? Audessy always sets these db values low.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! you can but it's usually very close to being set for reference. I do go back and measure to make sure the speakers are matched to each other which IMO is more important. For instance if one main is 2db louder than the other main and center that would be an issue.

[@savan28]

@@hometheatergurus awesome. Thanks.

[@gamegenieny581]

Been waiting on this video! Here's a question though. Using Dynamic EQ, it was shown that audyssey boosts the rear speakers way higher than they should be depending on how much lower the volume was from reference. So at say -40 the surrounds would be at like -35 volume wise. They used a sound test disc to check all speakers at certain volumes to see what audyssey was doing. Ever try this to see how much it changes the volumes at different levels ?

[@hometheatergurus]

The rears need to be slightly boosted as I explain in my video due to the way we hear. Rears being the same spl as everything else will sound quieter. As for dynamic Eq they actually have a ton of science backing what it's doing. Google Fletcher Munsen curve. You can also adjust the offset and aggressiveness of dynamic eq. Don't take any one persons advice to heart. Many don't realize why what is being done is being done. Also realize when using pink noise it measures every octave so there's a lot more lower frequencies being measured so you don't really see exactly what is being done across the entire range unless you measure the response. So anyone analyzing dynamic eq with a simple SPL meter I'd ignore the info as it's just not enough information to understand what is happening. Give it a try and do what you think sounds best.

[@gamegenieny581]

@@hometheatergurus your videos have help me personally in regards to setting up my system, and thats why I thought I'd ask ya. I did seem to have the "issue" of rears becoming louder than my mains and when I found someone talk about it, it gave me the idea to turn off DEQ and trust in myself and tuning my system without it. I appreciate the work in your videos as its allowed me to tune my system and actually understand what I was doing. Thanks alot man, keep doing what you're doing. It helps !

[@texxhexxmm]

Rears behind a bit work great.Surrounds to the Side is suboptimal i think ..Not enough from the Back comin,more right and left

[@sauwill]

Great Video!! I have a question regarding Audyssey and sub calibration. I followed your REW video Ep 7 (Great video as well!) and wondered how you keep Audyssey from changing your calibrated Sub results? Or do you recommend doing the calibration and then running Audyssey and going with it? Thanks!!

[@madcrabber1113]

In the Editor app you can go to MultEQ Filter Frequency Range and go to subwoofer then move the slider from right to left all the way.

[@juanvenegas278]

Steve, thanks for this great video. Just one question about measuring. When you say don't measure six spots, what I do then, measure 3 spots first and repeat the other 3 again, in the same order ?

[@joelane4670]

Great video as always.Haven’t been keeping up on your latest vids. But I’m back..lol. Question..you said during this video that you shouldn’t have to turn center speaker up higher then the rest. But it seems that’s always the case when we’re watching movies lately..it’s driving me crazy..what could be causing this problem?. Thanks bud. Good luck with the house! Joe l

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Joe! See the 4 part series on room treatments.

[@ryanr8695]

Awesome video as always... just found your channel a few days ago and have already learned more clear, easy to understand information than ever before! A quick question, and apologies if it's already been answered and I missed it... Once you set the Audessey app limiter at 300hz (or whatever) and upload to the receiver, do you then need to run the calibration again, or does the receiver automatically implement the change and you can just leave it be? Thanks!

[@javierzubiate81]

You just upload the file to the AVR after the changes you have made and your good to go, no need to re run audyssey. Hope that helps🙂

[@ryanrobinson3600]

@@javierzubiate81 Thanks!

[@brnmaull]

Yes thank you sir I been waiting for this!

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah I've put it off for way too long!

[@edstark44]

Thanks for your content, it is so useful, in-depth and properly explained! I only recently discovered your vids. Subscribed 👍🏻 Question: why was there music edited in when you were talking about the DynEQ offsets? I’d really like to know what to shoot for there. Thanks again!!

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! I had a brain fart and the only fix post upload was to drown it out but if you notice, during the music at the top I have a link pop up to the correction.

[@edstark44]

@@hometheatergurus Ah! Thanks, just watched that 👍🏻 Do you find that 0db offset boosts the bass and surrounds a little too much or not?(without any additional boost to the trim levels of course)

[@Kokeaa]

Great to see you back pushing out helpful content! Been waiting on the app covering a long time :) Will there be a deeper dive with the app when your room is built? Would love to see it more in depth and in combination with rew and minidsp. Looking forward to see the build coming together soon, all the best of luck and thanks for another great video!

[@randyrice7090]

Firstoff, that KS for this informative video. I'm confident it's what I needed to get my setup to sound like it should. However, in going back through after adding a sub, I am struggling to get my subs to register at 75db (even with gain/volume turned up fully) to get Audyssee started. Mic was 3" in front of the sub before it would get above 50DB, yet the whole house was rattling. Any tips? Can I effectively run Audyssee without the subs? I am missing out on some of the control that let me hear dialogue at lower levels!

[@Ausseke]

Thanks, this was a HUGE help. But the one problem I have with my setup is , I dont have a couch, I have a love seat ( ya ya it is on the list ) , so for the mic placement what would you suggest ? I just set spot 1 dead center then 2 and 3 just moved it 17 inches left and right, it seems to work out LOL.. Thanks again for the video

[@pumpinlead07]

Please don’t stop making content

[@hometheatergurus]

Been swamped with room plans but I have more content on the way.

[@627viewer]

Just found this video after reading recommendations for ages, i upgraded earlier this year to a denon x2800 from a x2300, I always used 8 positions on the audyssey app with both avrs and a tripod for measurements since for the last couple of years, I did just use to use cushions as recommended. Audyssey killed dialogue on the 2800h and the sound at times sounded flat even with setting audyssey to only equalize to 400-500hz, I had to have dialogue enhancer on high. I thought I would give your recommendations a quick do, I just ran 3 positions on top of cushions and set audyssey to equalize to 310hz, my system is so much better and I no longer have to turn dialogue enhancer on at all.

[@bentreseder1099]

Can you please do a video on 2nd row seat raisers? Cheers

[@hometheatergurus]

Sure. That would be a good one as there's a lot more to it especially with how it effects the speaker than most think. Once the house is done I'll start knocking stuff like this out.

[@ntsfpv414]

I am one of those you mention that have to boost my Klipsch RP-440C center speaker. I had to boost it by +3.5dB to get natural vocals, as well as some "toe-up" to aim the center at head possiton. What are the most common issues that makes the center perform so poorly? I just did extreme toe-in on my L/R-speakers Klipsch RP-250F and got extremely good results compared to normal toe-in, the sound stage opened up super wide, and the transient response is hugely improved. By extreme toe in i mean to aim the left speaker at the rightmost listening position and vica versa, so they are angled past the center listening position in a 4-seater configuration. The room is open ended on one whole side, and with a L-shaped sofa against the back wall.. Not optimal.. Thank you so much for making these videos!!

[@droidzhunterz6861]

Use a bookshelf version instead, or at least get a 3-way center channel with a nice midrange driver for superb vocal clarity. BTW you really should avoid sitting up against the back wall

[@ntsfpv414]

@@droidzhunterz6861 Thank you very much for the answer. I have read that the RP-450C is 2.5-way at least, but im not sure what the RP-440C is. I am very space constrained between the stereo bench and the TV. So, if you suspect the speaker to be the main problem here i will look into that. There is sadly not options for seating. Do you have any recomendations for speakers that have the same height as the RP-440C or the RP-450C?

[@droidzhunterz6861]

@@ntsfpv414 Unfortunately not in the klipsch range. I know the SVS Centers are 3-way designs but it wouldn't timbermatch your L/R being horn loaded

[@ntsfpv414]

@@droidzhunterz6861 Yes, and its waaay to high to be able to fit my setup.

[@ntsfpv414]

@@droidzhunterz6861 Ah, thats true. I also see that the SVS Center is too high to fit under my TV and the TV is wall-mounted so i cant move it. Seems i am locked into a bad center experience on this one. Thanks for the replies!

[@ants9574]

I'm so happy you're back doing these videos ! Quick question , what would you recommend setting the crossover for front and rear height Klipsch 500-sa ? Thank you for your videos once again and the time you take to do this for us !

[@FalconsATL]

Yes! Please do an in depth video on REW for us (beginners) who look like deer in headlights when looking at REW!!!

[@hometheatergurus]

I do have ep 7 and 41. They are mainly geared towards subs, alignment, hpf etc. but I can definitely add going over other functions of rew into the to do list.

[@tomsirmeyer6307]

Whats with the reference level offset part lol

[@hometheatergurus]

You should see a link pop up to hit. See the video description.

[@georgep2301]

I follow and I watch every of your videos, I am home theater and also stereo enthusiast. You wrote no more 2inches the left and right. 2 inches is 5cm are u sure is really close to mlp I don’t think if that makes a difference in-line try today and tomorrow, the results with xt32 was far better than my previous xt night n day. I ll try your way but still believe 2 inches is close .

[@hometheatergurus]

Should be 2' left and right

[@georgep2301]

I did the measurements for 8 measurements. At 5cm distance each. The results is worse. Why is that ?

[@droidzhunterz6861]

@@georgep2301 Most likely because where you are measuring, is a bad spot in your room. It could also be that you are reading the frequency curve wrong. It requires a bit of knowledge to understand what is actually happening on the graph.

[@hometheatergurus]

@@georgep2301 it's no more than 2 feet, not 2 inches. However if you have modal issues due to poor seating and or sub placement you will not get great results. The video is asummijg you've watched previously videos to properly setup the room.

[@jujukerker]

Tks for the detailed tutorial! My subwoofer volume is grayed out and I am unable to adjust the volume. Can help ? Tks.

[@welderfixer]

Thanks for this video. This is your best one yet. I hope your home build is going very well. I'm going to run Audyssey on my 10yo Denon again this weekend with your advice here. My question for you is: I have speakers on the smaller side. Why would we not set bass to LFE + Main? Thank you.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! See ep 9 as it explains it with graphs so you really get it.

[@welderfixer]

@@hometheatergurus Thanks. I'll have to rewatch your series again. I've asked the folks at Denon to do the same video that you have done here weeks ago. So, congrats! You beat them to it. However, it's unlikely that they ever will, as usual.

[@hometheatergurus]

@@welderfixer they probably won't agree with everything in my video as some goes against their recommendations. 😁

[@welderfixer]

@@hometheatergurus Surely they may not agree with what you say. But, we both know the engineer designs the crap, technicians make it work. Haha

[@hometheatergurus]

@@welderfixer agreed! 😁

[@theoracleprodigy]

If you are using a Audyssey there are so many settings you have to change from factory. They think a mid roll down should be good, turn off mid compensation. Also they turn on loudness and compression default (no joke). I don't understand that at all. I have a whole review of the Denon receiver it sounds like junk out of the box with their defaults. I found dynamic eq can distort things at low volume. I don't know why or what it's doing, but I hated it even if it ads to the sound stage. Completely agree with you on limiting the eq and most of what you say. It can make your stuff sound like junk for sure. Lately I have been just turning it all off.

[@SpecOfTech]

Hey man, great video. Looks like you upped your video quality too. Love to see Tonewinner getting some more love...cheers man.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! Yeah I got a new camera a few episodes ago. It was a little close to me to keep me and the screen in perfect focus. It's definitely much better than what I had. Im excited about the amps too. The guys I've sent there love them.

[@SpecOfTech]

@@hometheatergurus Well the PQ of your vids is looking good man. Really looking forward to your home build and new theater too.

[@hometheatergurus]

@@SpecOfTech ordered a go pro head strap a few minutes ago! 😁

[@SpecOfTech]

@@hometheatergurus Haha, Zeos style 😎.

[@InvestingwithKurt]

@@SpecOfTech I was gonna say, is Steve doing like Zeos...

[@georgep2301]

Thank you.Last night I tested the D eq “on“ at +10db and dynamic volume off then I played around with LFC cause my neighbors is a little bit close and I have to say that I enjoyed the movie a lot it was outstanding , of course thank God I could upgrade my receiver and I have the xt32 audyssey. Cause with my previous one xt was a disaster. The other think I have to do is to take measurements with audyssey mic as you described in previous videos with 2’ from center mlp and not follow the audyssey’s directions. In the matter of the speaker angle, do they have to be in equal angle for both ? I got 3 listening positions Ingot umik and I want measure. Also what to do if the mlp distance is longer than the distance in between the speakers and don’t make perfect triangle in anyway?i cant go mlp closer to speakers I can’t spread the speaker more ..

[@hellondjoseph9403]

Thank you for the tutorial. You mentioned only taking measurements at the main 3 seating positions. Do you recommend only taking 3 measurements or 8 measurements within the 3 main seating area ?

[@hometheatergurus]

You're welcome. As many as you want but I stay on line with the seated heads.

[@hellondjoseph9403]

@@hometheatergurus thank you for the information.

[@justme...]

On my x1600h the app did a great job. I rised only the level of the sub to 0 because was on -5.5 and was too low in volume

[@MsCaptainwhite]

When you say to Just run mic from your three main listening spots, ok so where do I put the mic for spots 4 5 6 7 8 etc, do I keep just running the mic from spots 1 2 3 over again PLEASE HELP Tim

[@hometheatergurus]

Go back to the original 3 spots are anywhere between them.

[@justplainlawr]

Just reuse the original positions or tap “use 3 positions” in the app and it will skip 4-8.

[@dutchgrower2971]

First of all hello, and thank for your content, i learned a lot from it 👍 awsome, i have the Denon X3700H the ultra towers and the svs pb 3000 , i have my X Over of my towers at 80 hertz, set at small, the center to 80 and my surround left and right at 120 they are little🤗 do you still recommend only lfe ,i mean is there a difference between all speakers set to small at sub +main or speakers set to small at only lfe ? I hope you read this comment and can help me out, have good day, and again thanks for your content 👍👌👊

[@wilsman00]

I have noticed when I tell Audyssey to limit correction range it keeps that range lower, meaning the correction has reduced the overall dB for that range. In the preview screen on the app it shows everything above 300hz is a little louder. When I run REW afterwards I can confirm that above my cut-off point the speaker runs a little louder. Is this normal? I observe it on every channel. Should I use the custom editor part to manually lower the dB of the 300+ range to keep it more in line with where

[@vince774l2]

Hi Steven! Thanks again for this video. I have a real issue here! I've watched pretty much all you videos and maybe I've missed something... I have 3 subs in the room. 2 Mains towers (Polk Audio RTiA9). When I run a REW measurement for only my mains, I have really deep nulls at 41 Hz and 76Hz. The 41Hz null doesn't bother me as the subs are taking care of it. But the 76Hz null (20db from 63 to 85Hz) is giving hard times! I've watch your Sub to Main integration video, I tried to boost the Crossover to 100Hz after time aligned (the best I can!) my subs with mains. Mains are 31 inches from back wall, so it's not SIBR (108Hz). I also taken care seat position with Harman room mode (Size is : L17'6"; W13'1"; H7'5"). My curve is PERFECT (thanks to you!) between 28Hz to 110Hz for my subs with MiniDSP 2x4HD. My problem is really when I run Audyssey and mixe my mains and subs together, it seems my mains are damaging sound below crossover point. I also have room treatment in the front corners and at first reflections. (4" bass traps (at approx 5 feet and diffusors at approx 8 feet). PLEASE HELP!!! I don't what else to do? Did I miss something in one of your videos?

[@hometheatergurus]

The mains will effect the subs even below the crossover as it's a slope. Try raising the crossover higher and then adjusting sub distance to get it aligned as best you can.. If you have to cross over 100hz to fix it then you may have to do that. If the subs are up front localization shouldn't be as big an issue.

[@jaywaller9125]

Hey Steve, thanks for the great video!!! If a person is in a treated room, followed all of your videos including a proper setup using REW and MiniDSP, is there ANY point at all in using MultEQ and Audyssey? I don't think so but wanted your confirmation.

[@hometheatergurus]

It's definitely optional at that point but without using audyssey you can fix and modal areas above the subs Dynamic eq also does some boosting and response shaping of the surrounds and rears which many like so I'd recommend trying it out.

[@omarkolonda9879]

Thank you so much for this video. I have an open corner of our basement and used your advice in EP 7&8 to lock in my 2 subs. Would you run audyssey after REW has done it's thing? Won't multieq mess w/my curve?

[@jmaklary]

Awesome vid to help me understand the proper way to setup up everything. In the app for setting the filter frequency any recommendation of where to set it? Media/game room so not perfect for acoustics with Denon x2700H and Polk Signature s50, s30 and s15. Should I still go low as 400 or should I go to 500 or even 700?

[@deanport8273]

Could you possibly do a video on the REW time alignment tool...

[@scotttalley97]

Go watch episode 7

[@FatterTony]

Thank you so so much for all of your hard work, it's awesome to see how you're educating the whole scene, now to the point all the other you tubers reference you tons. Can I ask, when you say "good speakers" when sliding the filter frequency range, would you consider SVS ultra towers good or are we talking like $10,000 speakers as being good? Thanks.

[@Diego2thebay]

I found Dynamic EQ way too distracting. The rears were pumped more than a tad. Just my experience

[@JuanJose-wt5yj]

Thanks for the video. On your comment on Mr. Toole's blind test of the JBL LSR 305. In what minute of the video does he mention the JBL? You comment on it in minute 30 + or - I don't know English and that video doesn't have Spanish subtitles. Written with Google translator. Greetings

[@InvestingwithKurt]

Great explanation, Steve, we were all waiting for that video! When you say you love DEQ, how about the boost DEQ does to the higher frequencies above 10Hz? Even after you limit correction, DEQ still boosts things at the top end which is not natural. I always wanted to ask you DEQ vs. your house curve in MiniDSP - what's better?

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! You need to try it for yourself and not base your preference on me or anything else online as there's a lot of misinfo. The changes it's making are scientifically proven to give a natural sound. even the adjustments made higher in frequency. Check out the Fletcher Munson studies. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

[@InvestingwithKurt]

@@hometheatergurus yeah, I was gonna say despite limiting frequencies, it still does the Fletcher Munson thing. I am still undecided what is better: a) MiniDSP alignment, Audyssey , manual house curve via MiniDSP with a Low Shelf filter b) MiniDSP alignment, EQ to flat, Audyssey, turn on DEQ.

[@pb24dagrk]

@@InvestingwithKurt I use method "b" :) DEQ is nice. The people that complain about it being muddy or bloaty don't have the capable speakers that can handle the bass increase in ALL channels (including Center and Surounds). Also, the surrounds increase is by design and works as intended.

[@InvestingwithKurt]

@@pb24dagrk over the years I kept switching between DEQ and no DEQ. Nothing beats the bass output with DEQ on. The only reason I was experimenting with DEQ off is due to that high frequency boost and the raise in surround levels. I think I am sticking with b) as well 😊

[@droidzhunterz6861]

@@InvestingwithKurt I think most people would prefer a setting to turn off the boosting of the surrounds when using DEQ

[@SVSpc13]

Can confirm that if one does the recommended placement in a 3,5 seater sofa running the full 8 recomanded position Audyssey xt32 it will probably "crash" Audyssey. To avoid crash, keep to a so small area as you can. And keep it on a line. Usually you only need to run 3 position measurements (Audyssey xt32) for the room correction to understand the room. I only run 5 well placed positions. 2 of them are exactly where left ear and right ear are in the sweetspot. 1 position at the tipp of the nose, and 2 at shoulder with.

[@naseeru1]

Great video! How do I measure for 2 rows of seating?

[@sauwill]

I am curious about this as well. My main listening position is in the back row but still want my front row to sound as good as possible. What do you guys recommend?

[@GingersKing]

I noticed you didn't defeat the Audyssey adjustments for the subs. Would you recommend that if REW through a MiniDSP was used to setup multiple subs before running this?

[@holyindian]

Good video, but it would have been better if you had explained what speaker values to set for center and surrounds, I mean you dont have it in ur setup, but a lot of us have. WOuld you recommend the center and surrounds to be also set as Small or Large?

[@hometheatergurus]

All speakers to small. I refer you to ep 9 which talks about why with responses to demonstrate it. I also hit on why all speakers including center and surrounds should be set to small in this video. Check out ep 9 as it's a really good topic that many are confused about.

[@romanlewandowski9616]

Great video again. Do you calibrate the amplifier using the Odyssey calibration on the amp prior to using the Odyssey app adjustment to 400 Hz?

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! Yes you'll have to run it to create an Audyssey file then you're free to tweak.

[@brianjanti3586]

@@hometheatergurus what would you set it to in a large open room?

[@Lindros1988]

The Audyssey app is good, but do you find that it boosts your bass? I thought I was doing something wrong, but no matter what I do, it always boosts my bass frequencies, up to 5db's in some places. It only happens when calibrating through the app, but never when calibrating through the AVR, so it's definitely something with the app.

[@Stevo19801]

Can you cover setting up the house curve of the subs in multi eq or do you do this with the mini dsp still

[@grazen321]

Yea subs are all handled by miniDSP. Watch episode 7 for complete walkthrough. Actually, watch every episode 5 times because they all matter and the information is so dense. Just finished my theatre and these videos were so helpful. House curve is set up with miniDSP but also make sure YPAO volume or the Marantz/Denton equivalent is turned on for bass management while listening at more comfortable, lower levels.

[@hometheatergurus]

Keep in mind if you're going to run room correction after the REW/MiniDSP work you'll eq for a flat response in the MiniDSP as that's what room correction will eq to. Then use Dynamic eq or the editor app to apply the house curve.

[@Stevo19801]

You going to lay rubber matting with osb over the top for the floor, sand front stage and insulation stuffed riser?

[@hometheatergurus]

The house is on a slab and the seats are actually going to be on the carpeted slab with a ramp/riser that wraps around it. Purely for looks. It'll all be in the upcoming update videos. I've got a few tricks up my sleeve acoustically on this one.

[@GingersKing]

I noticed in the app you didn't tell it not to EQ the subs. Assuming you tuned the subs in REW for the best response, you'd drag the sub section in EQ all the way to the right so it doesn't touch them, correct?

[@hometheatergurus]

I explain how to measure to further smooth what we did in rew.

[@weldsmoke1]

That was an awesome video man I learned a lot from that. Thanks

[@madhouse32dk]

Excellent video, as usual.. Thank you.

[@1Aquadon]

Thanks Steve!!

[@marcop680]

Very nice video congrats! just a little comment about Reference Level Offset: I think it was explained on the contrary, I mean 0 level give the most aggressive contribution of DEQ, the other settings decay before reference level. A simple distraction for sure. Bravo!

[@hometheatergurus]

Son of a #####, Total brain fart. When I get going I have brain farts here and there and usually catch them in editing. I can't believe I didn't catch that. Thanks and I'll post a correction in the description.

[@droidzhunterz6861]

Just to be clear, do you only use 3 mic positions, or do you measure all 8, but at the same MLP row at different positions?

[@hometheatergurus]

I use 4 usually but you can do 8. I do the MLP, seat left seat right then mlp again.

[@pb24dagrk]

I use all 8, but cluster them around my main listening position. I get best results this way.

[@DesertILI]

@@pb24dagrk I do the same, basically 8 points around my head at MLP.

[@danmaier2077]

Hi,an important question for me and maybe for the others too. In the Audyssey app you can also limit the sub, the sub is now to 250Hz. According to the specifications for Klipsch SPL-120, the frequency response is 24Hz-125Hz. Do I have to limit the sub to 125Hz in the Audyssey app or not? I have limited all speakers to 500Hz and they sound great. Thanks for your video.

[@hometheatergurus]

Awesome and glad you liked the limiter results. The sub is limited when we set the LFE HPF shown in this episode as well as bass management crossovers also shown. Watch ep 9 and you'll be all set on subs and realize how much bad info you've been told!

[@danmaier2077]

@@hometheatergurus Thank you , have a great weekend!

[@hometheatergurus]

@@danmaier2077 you too Dan!

[@nickfarrow8794]

hi im currently running a 5.1.4 set up with a dennon avr 4500 amp and I've ran the audssey app but am so confused about all the settings and how to adjust them ? its a minefield of info and I wondered if I send my calibration details to someone the would be kind enough to have a look and help me please

[@DavidAg02]

Well now I don't feel so bad for cutting Audyssey off after the 3rd measurement. Always felt like I got better results that way. I am one of those weirdos that prefer Flat to Reference though.

[@hometheatergurus]

We all have different tastes so there is no right or wrong!

[@Stevo19801]

Finally, thanks!!!!!!

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah I made you guys wait way too long..🙂

[@ProjectSOG]

Amazing! I followed your recommendations in this video and the system sounds awesome! One thing I noticed is that it set my subs to -12 but I brought that to -3.5 db and it sounds great. The only issue is my center sounds super dead, Audessey set it to -8.0. What recommendations do you have for the center?

[@hometheatergurus]

Check out the video on calibration for reference. It sounds like your centers levels may not be properly adjusted.

[@ProjectSOG]

@@hometheatergurusyeah I'll definitely check it out and then I'll run Audessey again and keep you posted on it.

[@natej7929]

For those with older receivers that do not support the app, should we just not run audessy? If yes we will need to manually set levels, distance, frequency and time align our subs? Can we run audessy to get these settings then disable audessy and set them manually to match?

[@juanvenegas278]

Hi. After running the app, it gives me a value of 250 Hz for the subwoofer. Should I limit it to a new value, as I did with the other speakers with the MultEQ filter frequency range ?

[@mickster1780]

hey gurus - audyssey question: i have a denon 1611. after running auto setup, i'm getting some midrange null where i sit. if i move my head forward a foot or so, it sounds great. what do i do to fix this? set the mic back a little and re-run audyssey? thanks

[@InvestingwithKurt]

You set Reference Level Offset to 15db -- is it because your Master Volume is at -15db or because you think RLO 15 is "enough" of a house curve? Perhaps RLO 15 is good for music and TV while RLO 0 for movies.

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah I had a brain fart. I made a comment in the description and I'll make a correction on it asap.

[@InvestingwithKurt]

@@hometheatergurus yeah, when you said RLO 15 is most aggressive I was like .. 😊 But I know shooting a video has its moments. Thanks!!!

[@larry9079]

Just curious with the brain fart do still keep youŕ setting at -15? 🤓

[@InvestingwithKurt]

@@larry9079 I keep RLO 15 for music and RLO 0 for movies.

[@Oswaldbates67]

I need help. My system sounds terrible 😞 805 d3 lice, In ceiling rears and a pair of atmos heights. 5.1.2 SVS ultra 16 ported sub. Macintosh mc207 amp, ace 7706 marantz pre processer kimber cables. Best Buy magnolia installed it. I’m in northern nj. I need a company that specializes in calibration. Any recommendations will greatly be appreciated. Thanks 🙏

[@GingersKing]

I totally understand liking Dynamic EQ (it does add impact). But, if we tuned our subs with REW and MiniDSP with a house curve, activating Dynamic EQ would then double up on the house curve for the subs, right??

[@hometheatergurus]

If you follow ep 7 we didn't eq to a house curve if we are following with room correction, we only did a house curve in rew if we weren't using room correction. If using room correction we eq flat to prepare for room correction. It's all in ep 7.

[@GingersKing]

@@hometheatergurus Ahhhhh, gotcha! Thanks for that. Been studying but I must have missed that. It's all in the details!

[@hometheatergurus]

It's a long video and you're not the first to miss that part. I hit it quick and move on.

[@romanlewandowski9616]

Great 👍 great video

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks!

[@Kenny_Edmonton]

Great video learned a lot. So let me get this straight, you don’t do calibration locations 4,5,6,7 8 . You do 1,2,3 at approximately 18 inches between each measurement. So stop Audyssey after three listen locations?

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks, you can do more measurements but stay in that liner path. See ep 9 and 11 to explain why and what going forward and back does.

[@torqueofthedevil8145]

So when you have to take 9 measurements you just use 3 seating places 3 times each?

[@michaelkreisel3573]

Use your main listening position and move it 1-2 feet around that position. Always at ear level

[@vallisoletano34]

Que gran video para los que recien comenzamos en este mundillo del cine en casa,lamentablemente para mi no logré entender todo lo que dice por el idioma y la tradución de KZbin que no es muy precisa....Gracias. ***************************************************************************************************** What a great video for those of us who have just started in this world of home cinema, unfortunately for me I could not understand everything it says because of the language and the KZbin translation that is not very precise ... Thank you.

[@GeneA.69]

Damn fine channel and WOW what a theater room, congrats!

[@hometheatergurus]

Thank you!

[@koolrunnings3135]

Thanks, new subscriber. I take your points on the app and will buy it. However, wondering if my spkrs fall within the "good" spkr realm - I have Polk S55 towers, S30 center & S15 surrounds, 2 SVS SB2000 - 5.2. What's your view on these spkrs???

[@justplainlawr]

I’ve always done the in front and behind measurements but have stopped since watching this video.

[@larry9079]

Hi thank you for this explanation and logic with microphone placement its something i always thought about why am i placing the microphone in a known dead spot in my room well thats what the picture shows so i guess ill do it anyway what should i do with dynamic range compression in Dolby digital mine is default to auto is that the same as dynamic eq what should dynamic range compression be set to

[@hometheatergurus]

You're welcome Larry. I would turn any type of compression off.

[@larry9079]

@@hometheatergurus will do thank you Sir

[@Sensi1995]

Thanks for the amazing video, always great to learn from you! :)

[@hometheatergurus]

Thank you!