I remembered taking a cab to camp one day and when i reached the camp gates, the uncle said to me " Thank you for protecting Singapore" And this " Thank you for protecting Singapore" is for you guys.
@Jwalker00755 жыл бұрын
wasting time. these ate not real training. it only making you run up and down for nothing. cone and try combat engineers and you see what is real training, like mine field, demolition, bridging or yo8ng a comand post deep undergound. anyway. it just wasting time, after all, most PR ir new citizens are excuse ftom the NS. or doing army.
@ngrobert50544 жыл бұрын
thank u make singapore secure
@denzelyee43144 жыл бұрын
Chris WW stupid bodo, what they show you in this video is only a small part of their actual training. They wouldn’t film the whole damn course and expose what they’re doing in it. They only show you mostly the physical tekan and running up and down cus its the most meaningless part of the course
@sajat7174 жыл бұрын
Against what ?! No war what
@SharkbaitOhLala3 жыл бұрын
@@sajat717 Because of what history has taught us. We cannot rely on anyone else to defend us, nor can we take peace for granted. The Japanese occupation taught us that. We will train hard, using a military force that is technologically superior to anything else in the region, and we will fight to the last man to keep our families and loved ones safe. Note that the video doesn’t show a significant amount of training that goes on.
@ashkanikov32699 жыл бұрын
these videos are actually important for the trainees so they at least know what they are expecting and prepare themselves mentally and physically..
@victorsong609612 жыл бұрын
Its a Tough Guards Conversion course. My applause to you guys. The Actual unit life is much tougher when Battalion is out for exercise Former 3 Guards ( Stagmont Ring ) 1989 - 1991 Best Combat Battalion
@jbleongyo8 жыл бұрын
I watch this video every day as motivation. I'm merit listed right now with the Canadian Forces.
@shevo1813 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of my gcc.... Haha... For those who dont understand... Yes, this cant be compared to special forces around the world.. But, most of those, are conscripted personnel.. They dont volunteer to go thru this... Give them the credit for completing the course... If you think its easy, go thru it yourself... Then you have the right to comment on how good or bad it is...
@isshah24495 жыл бұрын
K
@xiaoming42034 жыл бұрын
@@isshah2449 if u didnt serve stfu
@jianxiongRaven3 жыл бұрын
Ya this is the toughest in terms of "having a say in this" . I think for NDU and commando, at least you need to go through interviews and can opt out during pre-enlistment
@Jejdjejbfjf3 жыл бұрын
2LT Kapoor did a good job motivating his men with that speech. The LTC on the other hand needs to change his approach, "if you dont cooperate, I will make sure the night will be long for you." Leading using fear is never the way to go when your men have been through so much for you, and you resort to disrespectful fear tactics like that, as if they needed to hear that. They needed encouragement, motivation and a boost in morale, not threats.
@alvinhor54822 жыл бұрын
All trainee are equal rank
@CoolGuy-ct5gs2 жыл бұрын
The LTC is cadreeing them and weeding the weak out. It’s a selection course, not a battlefield exercise.
@heyheyyourmum9502 жыл бұрын
typical SAF mentality. Paper generals and incompetent leaders
@wangzhanfengcchms8814 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but if they can’t handle the LTC how can they handle the real enemy in battle?
@ansonlee9779 Жыл бұрын
@@wangzhanfengcchms8814exactly
@alanptm11 жыл бұрын
My Endless march was immediately after our Summex in Tekong. It was night when the summex ended. The cadres even told us "Tonight you might even get to book out and come back tmr for your parade" We cleared stores, redistributed RAI, equipments etc at SFT. Only to load up on tonners and 5-10 mins into the journey, were turned out of the tonners along the long stretch of road beside changi airport, and made to march back all the way to Bedok Camp. No rest time in camp, one hit after another. Great Times. 02/05 GCC Guards Lead The Way!
@four326 жыл бұрын
alanptm that endless march = priceless 1 guards hurrah!
@audeamus73884 жыл бұрын
NO, RANGERS lead the way. RLTW.
@soneshide2213 жыл бұрын
With men like these, i don't have to fear in times of war. Salute to this batch of guardsMEN!
@lessQQmorePewPew.12 жыл бұрын
Guards - Overworked infantry, Underpaid Commandos
@ngrobert50544 жыл бұрын
underpaid Ranger
@abcdefghijk20733 жыл бұрын
Sad truth. :(
@alanptm13 жыл бұрын
I vividly remember doing my very own Guards Beach PT on Pulau Sudong. We took the FCUP out for a routine coastal hook operation when the cadres asked everyone on board to "Jettison Now" i.e : Jump into the water, and swim about 80-100m back to the shoreline. That was where all hell broke loose. We did our beach PT for many hours. But that single event gelled the entire cohort together and i believe for these guys, it will too :) Always Ready, Ready to Strike!
@evobluez13 жыл бұрын
Sometimes, its really sad that these warriors went through so much for this country, but those who never serve national service dont give a damn f u c k about who's protecting them
@bryxnxn25774 жыл бұрын
Lol
@flamethrower13902 жыл бұрын
Give them credit, they are young and never done this kind of training B4. And for them to be able to hang on till the end. Mad respect! Good job!
@dweeds111 жыл бұрын
you know what is the toughest part???its cleaning the damn SAR21 after everything
@evolution86626 жыл бұрын
Dweeps Chang ya especially after you are so damm tired just wanna rest.....
@leon10785 жыл бұрын
Well, they can clean next morning i guess
@s2wuolf5083 жыл бұрын
Mental and physical capabilities can be trained but cleaning sar 21 up to commander’s standards is eternal
@leonardgodinho91638 жыл бұрын
Respect from india! good training Very tough indeed appreciate it.Salute you brother. LEINARD GODINHO-PARA SF COMMANDO INDIA
@AHHUAT213 жыл бұрын
the toughest thing about military training is really the depriving of sleep! Once the mind resting is gone, your mind got really weak and the physical endurance slowly but surely reduced to a standstill. Good job for completing the course guys and 1 gal. Now can go and sleep for a week.
@Mrluckyjo13 жыл бұрын
the taste of a parade after completing ur course. an experience that will never be forgotten... the pride, glory and satisfaction!
@MAHLANG13 жыл бұрын
I saw 702GDS at the parade. All I have is RESPECT! I believe the whole Bn was there, voluntarily. I respect you for putting up a fine display of precision, sharpness and gusto! Well done, I am glad to have a brotherhood in 702 GDS. Always Ready, Ready to Stike!
@hagisno6 жыл бұрын
Among All the Guards unit during my time ....3 Guards is the toughest of them all!!!
@natnut20084 ай бұрын
Remembered the 72 km forced march in full battle order and then doing the obstacle course as the grand finale.
@AzmiAchilles13 жыл бұрын
Brotherhood only exist the army, more so in the Guards family. These bonds tht were form will last forever. We, the commanders and men from 702guards is living proof of that. You should have seen us during Colonel Nelson Change of Command parade. We volunteered, all 120 if us to honour this great man who was my previous CO. Which reservist unit does that? Im so proud of my brothers in arm..and what we stand for. Once a Guardsman, always a Guardsman. Hooyah! 702 guards/ 10 mono 1 guards/ Best C
@0803526C13 жыл бұрын
Thanks to these videos, we are always in the state of paranoid, unsure of when and where our turn out will be and there is never a night where I can sleep in peace.
@jacktan8096 Жыл бұрын
Proud to be a 70Guards, we did a lot of heliborne exercise though tough but fun and memorable. Remembered vividly the long march through TPE while it was still under construction. And also the adrenaline rush from those jungle tree tops chopper flights.
11 жыл бұрын
12th Mono 3rd Guards here... The values that i have learnt during my NS time has taught me to endure, be tough, perseverance, the mindset to complete the goals u set in life and definitely we see things differently after going through hell in 3rd Guards for 2 years. Guardsmen Hoo uaa !
@aizatmuhd8993 Жыл бұрын
I will always come back and see this video again and again just for memories sake..im from 14th Mono 3rd Guards..The pride that we have will always be forever👍
@billyseah3 жыл бұрын
I'm 1983 1st grand..today 2021 I watch this film it make me remember the day ...I'm a guardsman too.but I'm old now singapore is depending on your. Guardsman 💯👍
@arronlee3313 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the Guards Family, Brothers! Ready To Strike!!!
@mechislander11 жыл бұрын
And to think I only go to Bedok Camp for RT... the guys who actually work there endured so much and here I am failing my IPPT. Damn I got to work harder.
@JokerVidsSG9 жыл бұрын
Lol the guy who lead the Guards Pledge at the end of the video is my Platoon Warrant in SCS now
Another excellent series from Cyberpioneer. Thank you very much for sharing it with us.
@mdnashas13 жыл бұрын
These videos reminds me of my own GCC ... flash bang exploded in the middle of the night...72 klick force march full battle order...to the new Guards well done n maintain the tradition n honor....(2nd Grds '91, 548 Grds)
@JAE266212 жыл бұрын
I supp These are the guys who can match the British 2nd/3rd Para Battalion during the Falklands war in 1982. They sailed for weeks, had a rough landing at San Carlos, not slept for days, no helicopter ferry, marched 100km in the harshest conditions in South Atlantic coldness with full load, and still had to engage the Argentine army after that...SAF Guards need to be trained like that, 'cause if ever the button is pressed, just like Falklands, these are the guys who will go, and fight for us
@MAHLANG13 жыл бұрын
To LCP Jake Nam, congratulating a well done series!
@xsaberfaye10 жыл бұрын
GCC is for commanders, GAIT is for the men. While the high key activities such as rappelling, coastal swim, fast march are the same, the training tempo, standards and toughness of ROP is much higher in the GCC. The airborne course is not compulsory for Guardsmen, as such only regulars will have a chance to go for it.
@pymrhap9 жыл бұрын
Not sure if anyone share this before, but i'm actually really very very proud of my melayu friends that manage to graduate as GUARDSMAN. Always ready, ready to strike!
@radioactive56737 жыл бұрын
c4un544n5 you knoe that Singapore and Israel are good Allies right? and they've been trying to hide this.....well Malaysia and Indonesia already found out about this
@NewmaticKe6 жыл бұрын
As one.
@frostbitepokin95202 жыл бұрын
Why so racist? Melayu very strong
@kevwalk9612 жыл бұрын
Wow Singaporean army is so tough ! Much props
@mikech0713 жыл бұрын
Its great to see we the "Guardsman" being recognize.. Was from 10th Mono 1st Guards Battalion that won the "Best Infantry" and "Best Combat" Unit 2003.
@Blazer43313 жыл бұрын
I admire them.....such strong determination
@mdnashas13 жыл бұрын
I'm proud to see that Guards now have a centralize GCC...moving forward..."Expect the unexpected...Ready To Strike!!!"
@hanzario12 жыл бұрын
Respect. Salute. From a former Guardsman. 633 Guards 8th mono intake 3 Guards Kranji Camp 96-98 Alpha Coy PL2 S3
@Chris16884 жыл бұрын
dude ur camp still not demolished lol in kranji camp 3 still
@naansilva94526 жыл бұрын
can regulars from service unit able to attend Guards conversion course?
@mindefsg6 жыл бұрын
Hi there, Regulars who are non-Guards vocationalists may be required to undergo the Guards Conversion Course (GCC) if posted to certain units within the Guards formation, and only if it is a prerequisite for assumption of certain appointments. Non-Guardsmen do not have the option to undergo the GCC like a confidence course - such as the Airborne course which is open to interested and qualified personnel.
@naansilva94526 жыл бұрын
@@mindefsg noted. Thanks for the info 😃
@xArchx12 жыл бұрын
You have to finish infantry course before going to GCC, and as an infantryman myself, I would think that what I went through...is nothing compared to GCC and the stories I've heard of GCC. Haha.
@tanjay69964 жыл бұрын
Thank you for protecting Singapore and we know that deep in your hearts when the day comes you will protect true blue Singaporeans with your lives instead of those foreigners and foreign talents
@YenyenYumpi12 жыл бұрын
There's alot of criteria to be made before going into guards. Try to get Gold for IPPT, a pass for swimming, and average grades for SIT test.
@demonicrealmz5 жыл бұрын
I see people passing nasty remarks and i also do appreciate those whom appreciates us. Its always easy passing nasty sarcastic remarks but at the end of the day, it speaks of those who don't deserve the right and those whom definitely earned every rights to wear the Khaki Beret!
@Epiglottis13 жыл бұрын
@hawkhawk81 my GCC had us rowing back from tekong to changi naval base instead of taking the ferry ahhh good times...
@nathanaelleong259911 жыл бұрын
Maybe you guys can do a video about the rangers course?
@jianxiongRaven7 жыл бұрын
I hope to see that too
@SharkbaitOhLala4 жыл бұрын
I doubt they will, for operational security reasons
@91judoka12 жыл бұрын
can a dramatization of the training undergone by commandos be done ? - Would extremely like to see what I did from a third person perspective.
@y2kjericho8613 жыл бұрын
Stay safe! Stay strong! Congratulations to the guardsmen graduates! I wish i was fit enough to do what they did. My two thumbs up!
@chinsengsim4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for protecting S’pore
@sajat7174 жыл бұрын
Against what ?!
@kerdak6 жыл бұрын
Forever 8th Mono 1st Guards Battalion ✌🏼
@thisiscatherine36586 жыл бұрын
This make me feel that I should have choose guards as first vocation instead of second
@jianxiongRaven3 жыл бұрын
Haha ,.but are you up for it.
@andyisemokia13 жыл бұрын
i saw sgt chester saying 3-4 only oso hahahas!!!! the final episode, guess the sgts really went through tough tough training..... good luck to all of them for their CURRENT gcc as well!!!
@xArchx12 жыл бұрын
Guns are somewhere about 3.5kg. As for bags, it really depends cos I'm not a guardsmen. But definitely at least 10kg. Infantry fieldpack ranges about 10kg for normal field training. For scouts, they carry about 30 kg in their training. So it ranges.
@shingo1981201113 жыл бұрын
Glad to have videos like this. Next time, some one ask me "Guards", wah Guards siong leh, stand whole day, guard where? Istana?. I have something to show them.
@godjira112 жыл бұрын
i'm impressed. with young people like this our nation has hope. From 648 SIR (now MR).
@yongkeng556610 жыл бұрын
Always ready, ready to strike !
@yuv0610 жыл бұрын
Strike at what? I doubt they can strike at anything with the type fighting experience that they have. Shooting at targets are easy they don't fire back. S'pore armed forces have never been tested they have no experience. The only little experience they had were in the 1950s when they were under Malaysia. Two units were sent to Malay to help in track down Indonesian soldiers who infiltrated into Malaysia. 1 unit was a mortar unit the other unit went into the jungle to try find the Indonesians all were killed except 1 who managed to escape. Not a great feat for a first outing. The worse thing was they were massacred even without shooting one shot while they were bathing in the stream. The Indonesians they were supposed to track down were instead tracking them.
@CA-wh5ej10 жыл бұрын
yuv06 Are you stupid or what? Then what do you call the Singapore soldiers deployed to Afghanistan? You know what, don't reply you are born without a brain as evidenced. PITY you
@yuv0610 жыл бұрын
Charmaine Ang Read the link I did not want to post it because it described how the dead Singaporean soldiers were mutilated by the Indonesians out of respect for the dead soldiers theunseensingapore.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-unseen-singapore-20-singapores-war.html
@yongkeng556610 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy the times , when me and my teammates suffer together!
Omg. Mindf*** to the end...but that bling bling on their heads and shoulder was more than worth it. Shining examples to others who dream of but do not have the physical requirements for elite training.
@ianisc00lio12 жыл бұрын
how are infantry officers selected to go for GCC? is it random? will there be a GCC for the graduants of the next Delta/Foxtrot batch (commissioning in Jan '13)?
@khyeloco13 жыл бұрын
the only easyday was yesterday!you can take a guardsman out of bedok camp,but you can never take the guards tab out of him!
@Pandemonia13 жыл бұрын
@rcstormcar regarding this kinda courses that entails a proficiency tab, rank does not play a part in the training, the 'trainees' are given appointments that doesnt take into account seniority and are handled by 'cadres'.
@Mrluckyjo13 жыл бұрын
respect. always ready, ready to strike! swift and precise, 24!
@superkop0713 жыл бұрын
Thank god my time as a guardsman was long overdue since completed my 13 cycle of active reserve unit. I would wonder wether I can make the cut if I am at this ponit of time.During my NS day in 3RD guards in 1985 - 1987, the GCC training is not as gruelling as this although it is tough. No matter what my respect goes to all guardsman for their tireless determination to be called Guardsman......
@slaiyfershin12 жыл бұрын
The sign at 4:55 says 'Free Me'. LOL
@Moonface00z12 жыл бұрын
HELLO PLEASE REPLY ME What are the weights of the gun ? i would like to know and train myself What are weight of their bags and guns
@HELLCURSER13 жыл бұрын
the song makes the ceremonial scene super epic and touching..what song is this?
@yuri264413 жыл бұрын
What an outstanding finish! Good one pioneer! Please consider doing a commando one!
@khyeloco13 жыл бұрын
they should have taken video of the REVERSE SOC as well.
@FarHahaHan13 жыл бұрын
Duty. Honour. Country. It's our duty to serve our country. It's an honour to be serving it alongside my fellow brothers in arms. And this is our country, if we don't defend it, who will? Ninja Company. Platoon 2. 2007.
@5555johnlim13 жыл бұрын
how about the elite red beret? are they tougher than guards?
@tkp7713 жыл бұрын
@n3wh0pe Try to find it on youtube, but didn't have luck... you know the singer or band to this song?
@jianxiongRaven3 жыл бұрын
These guys should be near or have already finished their 10year Reservist as NSmen by now 👍❤️ (Especially the 2LT IC which went through 9months OCS before this)
@muhammadzulfadlybinabdulma709 Жыл бұрын
Some are actually regulars
@salihinmasnor11 жыл бұрын
Cyberpioneer, Any considerations for Commando course? Would be awesome
@bigez56124 жыл бұрын
why is it called " Guards " in the first place ?? can anybody enlighten on this ?
@myrs42 жыл бұрын
The original SAF Guards Unit (SAFGU) was raised in the late 60s to perform ceremonial guard duties like the ones at the Istana and also GOH for foreign dignitaries. These roles are performed by the Military Police Command today. When SAFGU was re-organised under 7SIB in the 70s, it was renamed 1st Battalion, Singapore Guards. 2nd and 3rd battalions were also former SIRs (8 and 7 SIRs respectively) that underwent similar name change. 2 GDS have since stood down. So yeah, the "Guards" name had a literal meaning in the unit's early history, very similar to the Foot Guards from the British Army; they also balance combat operations with ceremonial duties. Although, official Guards history has no mention of the Foot Guards whatsoever.
@sepniner48482 жыл бұрын
@@myrs4 thanks for the info
@Ojalee12 жыл бұрын
Is there any video on Mortar Men Course? I would like to show my teenage sons how it was like when I was a Mortar man during my NSmen days. Did manpacking, live firing as well as digging mortar pit. I was aware tht 81 mortar had faced off. How abt 120 mortar then? - Ex MortarMan of 2PDF
@umarmars479 жыл бұрын
@0:40"They haven't slept for more than 60 hours" ????? Is this real or just an exaggeration to make Singapore Guardsmen look tough??
@trustnoone75299 жыл бұрын
Its normal, my sispec final training 20 years ago, we do 5 day 4 nite mission test exercise, only sleep 1 or 2 hour each day.... Not guardsmen I was infantry...we do the same shit except heli rappel...
@umarmars479 жыл бұрын
trustnoone75 Ahh I see now, actually I got got my enlistment letter and I got into 4SIR Infantry @ Lim Chu Kang there... damn, infantry training looks so tough and nobody acknowledge it as much as Guards or Commandos just because their vocation is more glamorous than infantry's
@trustnoone75299 жыл бұрын
umarmars47 Good luck and all the best man, welcome to the tough infantry monointake bmt, tekong guys are more easy,mono intake are more siong less welfare...we Infantry guys beat commandos before in best unit competition ,we not not elite but def not weaker than them, endure the tough tekan have pride in earning green beret.....
@rizalrosli18519 жыл бұрын
umarmars47 HAHA WHERE GOT TIME! ORD OH!
@umarmars479 жыл бұрын
OOHHHHHHH WOOOOW YAYYYYYY ORD OH CONGRATZ WOOOOOOOOO GOOD JOB BRO!!!!!!!! THAT'S AMAZING!!!!!! GREAT ACHEIVEMENT!!!!!! YOU R D BEST MAN!!!!!!!!
@sin3logy12 жыл бұрын
what do they do after they finish this course? are they posted out to other place or??
@Xiia0Sn00pY11 жыл бұрын
But one thing i dont get is how can they not know if the course has ended if before they entered the parade square? I mean their no4 has the velcro sewed on, so obviously the next stage would have been to pin it up!
@jayshen845 жыл бұрын
Because after so many twist and turns.... you have no more expectation of what is next but just reacting to whatever comes. #truestory 04/05 3rd Guards!
@HELLCURSER10 жыл бұрын
hi i'd like to ask what's the difference between GCC and GAIT? do they go through the same training? and are guardsmen allowed to take part in the airborne course?
whats the song for "we can fly, we we'll leave the world behind" 9.02
@joeljojolim13 жыл бұрын
Anyone know how to fold beret like theirs? The coffin style?
@yappaul9985 жыл бұрын
7th Mono intake 3th Guards. 1993-95. Remember, the Kaki berets u wear today is what we when through FBO 33km Fast March from 7pm till morning 7am for the change parade of the berets. Wear it with Pride and Honor. 🙋♂️ Ready to Strike!
@ridzthedrummer13 жыл бұрын
from 11th mono 3rd Bn Singapore Guards(currently 724GDS NS Bn)..Bravo coy 84mm Team it brings back alot of memories watching this.. i see a few fimiliar faces like Sgt Chong.. thanks to you guys ppl nvr knew the s*** we went thru to earn each letter to complete the word G.U.A.R.D.S.. dun play2 ar we all elite warriors..lol!
@michaelchoi132412 жыл бұрын
I am currently in BMT. and am interested to go straight to the Guards unit? is it possible?
@weiqiang98312 жыл бұрын
@cyberpioneertv May i ask after the soldiers have done finish the guards course, What do they do?
@dragoon03410 жыл бұрын
Good job guys! Imagine the final hurdle before the end of GCC. But I guess it was all worth it!
@diiliipraii10 жыл бұрын
American and western Special forces like SAS, DELTA, SEALS, RANGERS, GREEN BERETS, FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION...ETC ARE GARBAGE FORCES. Just because they are tag with word special doesn't mean they are special. The real special elite force is the Gurkha from Nepal. look for the video found in YT Gurkhas vs the Special forces of the world
@xzseng452410 жыл бұрын
NepaliBabuMadeInNepala fuck off.
@profile20479 жыл бұрын
NepaliBabuMadeInNepala Don't you have homework to do?
@shadowgod4312 жыл бұрын
People from other vocation such as armour are able to earn the guards tab or only for guards?
@warzone1472 жыл бұрын
Im guessing these guys MR already ? sinces its 10 years ago , dayum time flies
@johanneswei445612 жыл бұрын
Armour? Are there videos for Armour?
@jeffier12 жыл бұрын
How Do You Guys Spell The Berret That They Will Get After You Complete The Course
@FooTieKnot12 жыл бұрын
how are the training of the infantry compared to the GCC?
@benberkovic12 жыл бұрын
the physical requirements are the least of the worries! anyone can buff up, eat a lot, go to the gym, and become strong physically... the mental side is the toughest.
@3podVersion1213 жыл бұрын
An Elite Infantry Guardsmen. Well Done, Brothers...
@maccerlah69287 жыл бұрын
cyberpioneertv is it possible to go for GCC after OCS? If so in OCS which vocation must you be in to have higher chance of going GCC?
@xsaberfaye5 жыл бұрын
You must have completed infantry vocation in order to be eligible for GCC.
@sugarly69 Жыл бұрын
Lets go girls, we the infantry need you girls to create the opportunity on the beach
@moonstriker137713 жыл бұрын
well done with this video!! One of the better and bestest in many long whiles..
@MrHammy199513 жыл бұрын
Are there any NSF in the GCC? Or are they all regulars?
@tkp7713 жыл бұрын
Anyone know what is the music at the part where they do the pledge?
@jerylboy9213 жыл бұрын
are the Guards considered special forces?? Or Elite unit??
@suasponte55624 жыл бұрын
elite unit
@limyh9013 жыл бұрын
@x3Pot93 its hard to ever determine if our army is strong enough to defend our land unless we go to war. but what i know is that there are thousands of hardworking nsfs (&nsmen) putting in the effort and sweat to make sure, when the day to defend our country comes, we are ready. lets not belittle their (&all of our) effort. :)