EP10 Strangelove Whisperings

[@TheForsakenEagle]

Dan's ability to cover historical events in a compelling way without condescension or pretentiousness is incredible.

[@pjorgen]

What are you doing here hacker??

[@Somedudeonyoutube123]

I've heard his Destroyer Of Worlds and Logical Insanity so many times because he covers the nuclear conversion so well. That and the Eastern front were just fantastic.

[@JesterPickering]

We live in great times with Dan Carlin today Stay Safe Stay Free 2:09 thx Dan 🎉 After 28 yrs in the RAF, I live in Calgary Canada where lI live in a Care Home. After 42 yrs, of PTSD and a failed suicide attempt I Brock my back. I walk with a limp. Glad I failed. Peace and love etc No gods required

[@DeathToDrugUsers21]

Dan you're amazing. I remember listening to your common sense podcasts as a young man. I bought old outdated ones just so I could listen to your opinion. Dropped around 200 plus dollars. You were incredibly important to my political development in a way no one has yet to come close to.

[@plorubi]

"You were incredibly important to my political development in a way no one has yet to come close to." Greta Thunberg with a moon man avatar... what did he mean by this? :^]

[@DeathToDrugUsers21]

@@plorubi Haha just a pro troller it's rare I break character 😉 don't tell no one please

[@aquilatempestate9527]

Looky here; what an interesting audio collection. archive.org/details/JonathanBowdenAudioCollection

[@BoqPrecision]

How dare you Dan...

[@johnmcsomething9576]

@@BoqPrecision You stole my reply... How Dare You?!

[@N1ckel]

Dan you're a legend! Every listen is a delight.

[@KirikMS189]

The only podcast that will have me immediately cut anything else I'm listening to so I can hear the new stuff. Keep up the great work Mr. Carlin and thank you.

[@metzyahrosenstein4827]

Damn we got the Olympias one last month now this, spoiled I say SPOILED.

[@thomasmitchell4128]

This is amazing

[@chroniclesofbap6170]

Trotsky wasn't assassinated. He accidentally jumped 36 inches backwards, up onto an ice-pick

[@adamplentl5588]

I hate it when that shit happens.

[@canadadelendaest8687]

Thank you for the correction, Chairman

[@averat84]

Classic Trotsky, AMIRITE?

[@arminoleg1624]

Going for a trifecta today. Finished supernova in the east, breezed through glimpses of Olympia and now this. Keep em coming guys. Great work!!!

[@reillyobrien4372]

I immediately got his book on audible, Dan has set an incredibly high standard for his interview guests and I've been impressed every time.

[@bigjdub13]

I just got more excited than a grown man should!!!

[@nateallen3209]

Nothing wrong with excitement Gavrillo. I know you were excited when you saw Franz pull up. But I know you weren't excited about the tuberculosis 😟

[@unacceptableviews1505]

The voice of historical reason has returned.Thanks Dan.

[@HistoryforThinkers]

*No one:* *Dan: Again and again and again*

[@JeffKinglive]

"agaaaain" is my Dan Carlin drinking game

[@VerMirror]

I say it like that.

[@moo3992]

I am getting a kick out of how excited Dan sounds. Thank you Sir!!!!

[@DustpanJoe]

My type of ASMR.

[@fusionjunkie]

And here we are, having changed on a dime.

[@petorian343]

"Russia's pretty safe right now" is jarring to hear. Dan definitely called it, " 'right now' being the operative phrase"

[@jestermoon]

Take A Moment Thank you again, Philosophical and so well articulated as ever. From Untruedaux Land I played the war game for 28 years with the RAF At 63, I live with PTSD 24hrs a day. I live in my own basement, thanks to a health care system that works. I'm in the process of making a claim for damages for my injuries against the royal family. Stay Safe Keep Laughing 😃 Stay together ❤️ Stay Free

[@stephenmeier4658]

Peace

[@jeffodonnell8354]

Perfect timing, Thank you

[@poonoi1968]

3:15am and I have an important appointment at noon...but this is Dan Carlin. I'm in.

[@austinowings4904]

Holy crap, you got sponsored by 1917? Makes me glad I caught it in theaters.

[@kentmaf]

Been waiting for something,😀 thank you Dan.

[@donaldthrasher9310]

Russia is pretty safe right now....right now is the operative phrase. Things change on a dime. Wow! I got chills. This was prophetic

[@andyvaras8472]

Dan, would you ever consider a series on the Vietnam war?

[@SnakeJones09]

Vietnam Conflict. Only Congress can declare a war. And they never did that for Vietnam. That's Hardcore history right there.

[@EternalModerate]

He has stated he'd like to do a Vietnam series at some point.

[@walterodim7804]

SnakeJones09 slow.... clap... slow... clap

[@Len124]

"Police action"

[@BoqPrecision]

@@SnakeJones09 Seems like America doesnt fight wars,conflicts, skirmishes, etcetera...to win.

[@MrGazz101]

I was literally talking about how great this channel is last night, and was wondering when the next upload was going to be, thanks for reading my mind dan Carlin

[@lefthandedrightminded3087]

ty Dan i listen to HH on repeat while at work its the only thing that gets me thru (and imparts knowledge!)

[@epyjacek]

Dan Carlin, thank you for making the best podcast out there.

[@tysonssg3040]

Dan you've been going on this nuclear war theme for a bit I am curious if there is material enough to do a show on what the government plans were to clean up after one? Dispose of bodies, or re work the government process, farm food, turn interstates into secondary bomber strips. Any of that out there?

[@jestermoon]

Great point, my friend 👍

[@fender3873]

Man I wish he would do a quick one on Spanish flu to listen to while we're quarantined. One can hope!

[@drop830]

I grew up during the end of the cold war in the 70s and 80s. I find this conversation fascinating

[@Voo504Doo]

YES!!! we need all the content we can get long short it dont matter we love you! thanks dan

[@jaredmello]

Always a pleasant surprise to see new work from you Dan! You were also my favorite political voice by far in your Common Sense podcasts! I really miss them

[@Aaron-vt6gh]

What a gift! Thanks Dan

[@garywhite3209]

Yes! New podcast! I'm excited!

[@smn475]

It’s like Christmas comes every 6 or 7 months. Thanks, Dan!

[@rhrabar0004]

1917 creators paid for this episode

[@Seeckay]

Are you deaf? That's literally the first 30 seconds...

[@paulw2074]

Interview was great thanks dan gave me a lot to think about and research! Btw 1917 was one of the best movies I've seen in a long time!

[@vanc8288]

If you ain't first you're last

[@CraigW34v7b9]

Source: Ricky Bobby's dad.

[@The_Drifter_13]

Perhaps your most important commentary to date. It’s our forgotten hellish end.

[@gtfoh35]

I never get so excited to drive to work. Thank you

[@Aldornas]

I thought I was having a good day and then I find this when I come home from work. Hell yes!

[@bikingviking3984]

sweet, a lullaby from Dan, blessed thing!

[@changchi3528]

thank you!

[@Rootz2000]

THANK YOU SIR

[@ericlagesse6132]

Yes, new Podcast! Thanks Dan.

[@gabrielrobayo2126]

My favorite notification from KZbin! 🙌

[@charlespickel6601]

Thank you

[@Baron_Lio]

Thank you Dan, great work.

[@10Nek]

Sweet and light thoughts throughout my work day now 🤔👍

[@hashtagsal]

Your style and angles inspired me a lot. At least I like to think this way, because you are definitely on other league 😂. Keep up the good work, you have a fan in the Brazilian Seas. ⛵️🇧🇷

[@ghosttracetrilla4711]

I’m thankful for this but we need a Common Sense episode more than ever now!!

[@workhorse7134]

You mean the Common Sense podcast that through common sense out of the window when Trump got elected. No thanks.

[@Gekokujo76]

"Now we're all sons of bitches" - Kenneth Bainbridge directly after Oppenheimer's famous quote

[@theadventuresofoldmort1746]

Well... The intro to this aged extremely well.

[@ryanratliff14]

Love you Dan keep it up

[@milesgemini4029]

Thanks for helping me learn to love the bomb.

[@RickReinster]

at least that Corona virus thing didn't become anything...

[@primafacie5029]

Love the work you put in.

[@jamesewanchook2276]

thanks Dan, keep em coming!

[@Marcow321]

Awesome! More! What about another drop! Let's go for the hat trick! Ep11 let's go!

[@amishshark3549]

Wow where'd this episode come from lmao

[@samc6734]

Maybe his book or podcasts?

[@pillman8719]

Dan doesn’t like Trump. I doubt this would have been made if a Democrat were president.

[@BefallenLegate]

I'm sure something similar would have happened if it's imaginable how bad hilary would be. Both equally dangerous for such a position which is insane that is still needed.

[@G7892]

Yay! made my Sunday Dan ty ;)

[@101TheKMan]

Insta-like! Thanks Dan

[@ariangorman2325]

This was a great episode!

[@jimwalsh2001]

Outstanding.

[@Spyderist]

Good interview

[@comc6784]

Dan “Nostradamus” Carlin

[@SuperPol1981]

3:30 well well...

[@Netotrefirefem]

2 Addendums in 2 months?!? We really are blessed 🙌

[@maqinachica]

Awesome

[@SailfishSoundSystem]

It makes no difference what men think of war, said the Judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way. -Blood Meridian

[@russellfranklinwrites]

Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent.

[@Jagecage]

Love it as always!

[@archiguru]

great talk, keep up the good work :)

[@armchairgravy8224]

Now I have to play Defcon again.

[@texasRoofDoctor]

As always, brilliant work. I do think you broached a topic that has no good answer. The current system for response to an enemy nuclear launch is the best bad option. As much as it may be fun or even fashionable to do so, it is lazy to confuse the rhetoric of the current President with his actions to date regarding Foreign Policy. The situation with North Korea comes to mind in this regard. Both Iran and North Korea wanted to know what the policy would be with Trump after 8 years of appeasement that tacitly condoned their misbehavior. Now they know. There has to be a separate policy for friends, enemies, vassals, and bad actors. Upon occasion, the various parties require confirmation of their status in the geo-political food chain.

[@m.d.498]

That guys commentary was akin to a cnn interview

[@rajathshetty325]

This is why planet earth is a great place to live in

[@Rasheed9957]

More! MORE! More...

[@Jonnygurudesigns]

More! We need more!

[@WestfieldNewJersey]

Nice.

[@vicariousgamer2871]

I just heard of you on a reddit post, so I thought to check in and sub. Have you done any true research on the Native American "almost" genocide ?

[@QuintRepler]

This was absolutely excellent to listen to with the Ukraine crisis ongoing

[@not_suspicious]

could we get some softcore history?

[@yomomz3921]

Oooh! 🤩 Like with innuendo and entendres? 🤔🤤

[@adamwanderscheid8559]

Look forward to this.

[@cosmicjive4746]

Perfect timing for this episode haha

[@mthiffau]

I've just finished listening to The Bomb, and would really love to read a similar book written from the Russian perspective. I've done some searching on Kindle/Audible but haven't had much luck. Anyone have a recommendation? Provided the book is good I'm willing to order a physical copy if it's the only way to get it.

[@kakuna121]

Could've been a very interesting conversation however your guest was clearly interested largely in discussing orange man bad

[@thomasjoyce7910]

The Biden administration is better for Fred Kaplan because nuclear war is on peoples minds these days and he gets a bigger audience. He doesn't have to speculate about tensions, maybe, rising as a consequence of rumoured to be under consideration by orange man. Everyone was safer 2 years ago. That's a fact.

[@StrangeloveTheDoctor]

Yup Good Stuff

[@Rayza82]

what happened about 41:20 where Kaplan's voice cuts out? Did he say something he shouldn't have?

[@Len124]

I love that way of putting it, "Holiday from history." People genuinely proposed (like Fukuyama) the idea that "history" was over and it was just a matter of tying up loose ends. Liberal democracy, maybe with a smidge of socialism thrown in, had won the game. The Soviet Union collapsed, I was born the following day, and it's been peachy ever since.

[@Len124]

@Infectious Legume You missed the point of my comment. The fact that that's what you took from it makes me think you might be American? If not, there are those triggered by the word "socialism" far and wide, but the word "socialism" isn't quite as taboo elsewhere. I'm Canadian, where a member of our relatively rightwing party, the Progressive Conservatives, would be committing career suicide to even suggest attacking _socialized_ medicine. "Socialism," just like the term "Liberalism" or "Libertarianism" are so vague nowadays that they're almost meaningless, and sometimes contradictory, when used in certain context, especially modern American political discourse. The collective ownership of the means of production--whether those "means" are machines producing physical items in a factory, or the "means" are the healthcare infrastructure, training, hospitals, etc. and the "product" is healthcare--are more than simple factory floors. My point was actually to make fun of Fukuyama's idea that liberal (as in, _economic_ "liberalism") democracy is the "end of history," not support it. Many of the ideas we associate with public safety-nets and socialized healthcare were the products of democratic socialism, which was a model opposed to communism that posited reform (rather than revolution) could add varying degrees of collective or public ownership into the economy where a profit motive was thought to lead to immoral inequality in certain sectors. I'm not making an argument for it, I was commenting on a geopolitical model that ultimately proved to be false and didn't realize simply saying "socialism" would distract you. Maybe economic safety-net programs can exist in a purely non-socialist context, I'm not making an argument to the contrary, but these concepts do have roots in things like 19th Century economics, Keynesianism, and some good results from otherwise bad regimes. I couldn't care less about the label--call in banana bread--but history is history and just as you might use the term "republic" to refer to VASTLY different systems with some very basic similarities, like not having a monarch, so too can socialism mean very different things. If you call the US a "republic" and the former German Democratic Republic one as well, sure they have certain criteria like the lack of a monarch, but one is an authoritarian state. Just as North Korea describes itself as "socialist" nation doesn't mean it has much in common with my home country Canada, which has programs based on some programs that were first used in nations that would completely describe themselves as socialist, but combined with a representative democratic government. You know that crazy-ass propaganda you see from communist states that are clearly based on exaggerated notions of the West and Capitalism? Well, unfortunately, the US and many in conservative movements, are still suffering from the counter propaganda enacted by the American government that wanted to make it real easy for people to not have to think. They did it with a blanket term that made a black and white issue out of a very nuanced one by giving people a trigger word like "socialism" and trying to imply that even simple programs are either a slippery slope to communism or are not socialism at all; despite history to the contrary.

[@Len124]

​@Infectious Legume The Canadian healthcare system _is_ socialized medicine. Hospitals are 100% publicly funded through a single-payer government insurance scheme that the patient never sees or is aware of. The hospitals may be either provincially owned and operated or privately owned and operated (but still completely government funded) by non-profit organizations. The exceptions are oral and eye health, which are operated through regulated private insurance (which I think is a weakness in the system). Pharmaceuticals are not included in full, this is where private insurance comes in, but there is a generic government option and the Canadian government does not allow the companies to charge whatever they want. They negotiate to keep prices low, which is why the same drugs are often 1/10th of the price as soon as you cross the border into Canada. You may be confusing the Canadian system with the UK, which is privately operated, but completely funded through public insurance. Even so, that still fits the definition of socialized medicine. *If Canada isn't socialized medicine, then nothing is* and the term loses all meaning. Either way, this is semantics designed to pussyfoot around a particular word, but semantics you're wrong about nonetheless. To quote the wikipedia article I'm about to cite, "Because of historically negative associations with socialism in American culture, the term is usually used pejoratively in American political discourse." That pejorative use is foreign in countries that have had it for half a century or more. Socialism is a more nuanced concept here. Here's an article on American discourse about socialized medicine: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_medicine Primary sources are the bottom if you'd rather refer to those. Here's one about universal medicine in general: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care As for the second part of your comment, there's not much to respond to except that you speak as if Marx is the inventor of socialism and that it's synonymous with communism. Socialism precedes Marx and Communism is a particular, extreme brand of it. Democratic socialists are often at odds with Marxists. That doesn't mean they don't overlap (like in the case of means of production), but whether or not Marx was vague has no bearing on what others thought. He was speaking from a 19th Century perspective, but even then he didn't mean factory based industry exclusively. That would cut out many industries that are controlled by his boogeyman, the bourgeoisie. Services are a more exaggerated part of the economy today, but were never excluded from any socialist model.

[@blacksheepk3227]

Wanted to say thanks for the new common sense show

[@jasonlisonbee]

The host and I don't share much in common of music interests but I subbed to all of his podcasts and haven't found any other topic within I would disagree on. He seems to examine all available material before making up his mind or doesn't if the data doesn't sufficiently draw a conclusion that doesn't counter any other plausible. I'd like to believe that is how I think. Too many times I found out I didn't do that correctly. Still working on it.

[@JereKrischel]

YES!! MORE HARDCORE!!!

[@juancholo7502]

I learned to stop worrying & love the bomb.

[@jamex_art]

Hi Dan. All my respect. How do you feel about the opening comentary one month later? Now I always quote you with the ¨Us becoming the Historical event¨

[@ΝίκοςΤζαλαβάρας-ζ1ε]

Strange.I have the bell clicked but i didnt get any notification about this.I only get to see it 3 days after.

[@tntnyny]

Yes yes yes!!!

[@Jonathan-gj1rl]

You rule Dan!

[@markb8468]

Love it dan....but I must ask....where is the last installment of supernova in the east!?!? Keep up the good work.

[@getsmart3701]

Straight to DanCarlin.com to download. A buck a show sir, as requested.

[@Whatisright]

Listening to the war plan is the craziest shit ever. How dead did they need someone to be? The mindset of having nuking an area a couple dozen times just because you have a couple dozen nukes is nuts, but people sat down and made these plans and thought they were brilliant.

[@Wraithninja1]

Still waiting for a Jocko Addendum. I think it would be a great discussion since they both love military history, but dissect it in different ways.

[@enefem8585]

Dan I wish I could have video of these podcasts can you please consider making a video version of you just speaking into the mic I would definitely watch every episode I don't have the attention span to just sit a listen I like to watch before bed or while relaxing on the couch

[@Tol1as]

Are we ever getting a series on the October revolution, how it started, played out and led to Stalin taking power?

[@johnnicatra570]

Very good.Two things,#1Any one stationed in Europe during the cold war knows we where just speed bumps to slow down the Soviet forces.