EP29: Egyptian Evidence for the Exodus w/ Dr. Titus Kennedy and Dr. Steve Meyer, Discovery Institute

[@mcmillanbmg]

Atheists used to laugh at 2 Kings' and 1 Chronicles authors who refered to Tiglath-Pileser the 3rd by his nickname 'Pul' until the British Museum found a mural which mentioned the ruler also as Pul.

[@marshlightning]

Well, they all believed that Joshua killed the King of Ai and buried him beneath a pile of stones under the city gates...until the stones were dug up and it was found no King was buried there. So that's blown you out of the water at the first shot, matey! Canaan was not destroyed by the Israelites (find me a single Israelite gallery in any museum in the world?) but the Sea People's (the great tribes coming down from the North) and that Jericho would have already been a deserted ruin if Joshua had ever got there (but he didn't because excavation - especially by Dame Kathleen Kenyon - have disproved the Biblical myths).

[@mcmillanbmg]

@@marshlightning Your poor hateful self can't know what happened after that event and neither can I. But to assure you of your insignificance, you will not be remembered by anyone of importance.. you're just a dust of history. God's chosen people still exist until this day. Hahaha to you.

[@racingace9959]

@@marshlightning SO one evidence beats alll this other evidence thats science to you making all this evolution theory but they all can't agree so just choose one and thats all

[@marshlightning]

@@racingace9959 The Bible says the Exodus consisted of 600,000 people NOT including women and children (classic Biblical misogamy). So two to three million people in total. However, the population of Egypt at that time was only three to four million people! Case closed.

[@marshlightning]

One name verification does not mean the story is true! But like if I made an accusation that a bloke named Joe stole my bike. The police find a random bloke named Joe, so HE must have stolen the bike! In the Cairo Museum there is a stela which records a campaign Pharaoh Merneptah fought in Canaan. It names the fortress cities he conquered then mentions a Bedouin tribe who he calls "Israel." Christians got all hysterical at this first mention of the Israelites in archaeological history, no doubt with visions of the heroic child murderer Joshua proudly leading from the front. (The Bible says the Exodus consisted of two million + people so if they marched ten abreast the line would have stretched for 150 miles! Absurd!) However, the shock in the Stela was that it recorded that Merneptah called them a "people" not a fortress city. i.e. they had conquered no cities whatsoever as the Bible states. It also says the Egyptian army gave them such a beating that they were described as virtually "no more." And in the Temple of Karnak in the upper Nile you can see pictures of the Egyptian army on the Temple walls crushing the same Israelite tribe.

[@imkluu]

The reason the Exodus was placed in the 13th century BC was because the scholars have thought that the Bible indicates that the Pharaoh at the time of the exodus was Ramses II. Tho the Pharaoh is never named, many believes it was Ramses because the Bible states that the Hebrew were tasked with building the store cities of Pithom and Rameses. So they place the date based on an assumption of the pharaoh they believe was the one in the story rather than evidence of when it actually happened.

[@Crimethoughtfull]

Yeah, making wild assumptions based on what is actually written in the bible! Crazy!

[@SydSquid856]

​@@Crimethoughtfull That isn't what this person was saying...

[@josephgetnet5662]

Me and my sister started reading Exodus, and I stumbled on this video, awesome.

[@Paulthored]

God bless your studies!!✌😇✝

[@josephgetnet5662]

Thank you

[@graceblaise2712]

I'm reading Exodus too!!

[@frankfleming9558]

S Gloobal Yes. I’d love to.

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

Splendid timing!

[@Skeletal33]

I recently watched an Egyptian documentary on Disney+, and they discovered mass graves of slaves (adults & children). There was no doubt the Egyptians uses massive amounts of slave labor

[@marshlightning]

HA! Keep watching Disney and all that magic! Ha! You have made my day!

[@davegink9222]

⁠@@marshlightning intellectually honesty isn’t your strong suit, is it? He said he watched it on Disney+. He didn’t say it was made by Disney. FYI, attacking the source is a logical fallacy.

[@marshlightning]

What was the documentary called?

[@marshlightning]

@@davegink9222 Yes, I know. My point is still valid. I do not believe what he says anyway. Right lets test your intellectual knowledge. Tell me the conclusions drawn from the archaeological excavations of cities claimed to be conquered by the Israelites?

[@marshlightning]

@@davegink9222 Answer my question.

[@christopherroberts3028]

I ordered the book after watching this. I love the discussion and learned a lot from all of the speakers.

[@marshlightning]

Shame you never learnt any truth.

[@racingace9959]

@@marshlightning Shame on you for acting like you know the truth

[@marshlightning]

@@racingace9959 I believe in fact not fairy-tales.

[@Kevin-lw2gl]

@@marshlightning can anything with evidence be called fairytale?

[@marshlightning]

@@grantalexander611 All tests prove prayer has no effect whatsoever (as the Templeton Society found to their eternal embarrassment!)

[@kaneanderson8403]

Brilliant cant wait to read the book

[@jonathangoodwin8947]

Unearthing the Bible: 101 Archaeological Discoveries That Bring the Bible to Life Paperback - June 2, 2020 by Titus M Kennedy (Author)

[@MathewDRhys]

Titus Kennedy>Indiana Jones. Action archeology FTW.

[@alwilson3204]

As a regional historian who is frequently distracted beyond familiar bounds, I had to take time to watch this very meaningful quality presentation with the illustrious and personable Dr. Turek. I can only concur with so many in the comment section on the interaction of evidences by Dr. Kennedy, the talented field archaeologist and professor at Biola, and the great Dr. Steve Meyer, the champion philosopher of Intelligent Design with many accolades to his credit also being involved; such wonderful authors, what an asset to the reality of the Bible. Thoroughly enjoyed and relished this and hats off to the continuing work of both of them and the knowledgeable host. Thank you.

[@Qpalzmcreehay]

Is it me or does Titus actually look like Indiana Jones? The fact that he's heavy into archeology makes it insane.

[@ll77rre3]

😂😂😂

[@mynsterious]

Did you see the photo of him on motorbike, background-some kind of desert? Totally, a Dr. Titus “indiana-jones” Kennedy

[@stevenwbaker56]

I think he is his son ! Ha.

[@harbour08]

If we were to go back in time and give unequivocal evidence, most would still disbelieve because the biggest issue people have is with Jesus's authority, they don't want to depart from their sin. John 3:16-21. But as in the case of Moses, the eternal reward is in Heb 11:25 KJV Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

[@johnmakovec5698]

Christians don't sin? I don't think so. They believe & sin.

[@harbour08]

@@johnmakovec5698 the thing isnt Christians don't sin. It's when we see sin, we are to flee it. And if we do sin, we repent (turn away from it) The bible details what iniquity is: a lifestyle of sin, continual pattern, habitual. Unrepentant. Most people remain unrepentant. 1 John 1 gives greater detail

[@johnmakovec5698]

@@harbour08 If non-christians societies don't behave worse (and you actually don't need to wear a bullet proof vest to visit a most of non-christian countries - for example Czechia), then what is the point? If repent doesn't help people in society to behave in average better, than it is just words....

[@demanitorres5925]

@@johnmakovec5698 who said it doesn't help anyone? Your comparing people who don't follow the word of God as you just said, how could they do a better job if they are not following it? It's obvious those who don't really follow aren't going to act better

[@johnmakovec5698]

@@demanitorres5925 How could they do better job? Maybe because "word of God" isn't the best thing ever.

[@anfonieb7434]

Amazing! Onward Christian soldiers!!!!❤✝️🙏🏽

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

Amen! (1 Timothy 6:12) "Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life, to which you were called."

[@anfonieb7434]

@@LoveYourNeighbour. Amen!!! That's awesome!!!

[@miguelvaldez3572]

Keep up the good work!! It is helpful and it is noticed.

[@dannylinc6247]

That was a beautiful way to describe and compile these evidences and align them with the text chronologically. The description of why archaeology is ignoring the evidence from looking in the wrong places is noteworthy and their year for expecting to find is off. The one thing I had issue with is the human bones, horse bones, hubs, hardware, wheels and gold found in the red sea and marked by Solomon with pillars and incription surviving on one. Ron Wyatt didn't claim to have gone to your school, but he sure did find the mother lode, searching for gold, his equipment took him to the finds of multiple types on the red sea floor. The famous pic of the chariot wheels is a match to an eighteenth dynasty chariot wheels according to Wyatt's people and their videos. His other sites that are related along the walk are also impressive. Watch all the types of videos his wife made while he struggled to do his work. He was a prayerful God fearing man, and I think you dismiss his finds because he is not an archaeologist recognized by your colleges. He was God's archaeologist and he found things the so called experts couldn't find up each other's behind.

[@jantz01]

I just watched a history video of Egypt and the narrator said there is absolutely no evidence of Hebrews ever being in egypt. I'm going to believe what the bible says.

[@ym_cod1882]

Yeah because the world have the same spirit contrary to the truth

[@ParadiseLordRyu]

In other words you rely on circular reasoning.

[@Bible33AD]

@@ParadiseLordRyu Watch PATTERNS OF EVIDENCE: EXODUS and then talk of circular reasoning. Otherwise a fixed opinion/position without research is called bigotry by definition

[@daveg4963]

Why?

[@benitaalmond3991]

You must understand that Moses and the Israelites defeated a very powerful Egyptian army. The Israelites were unarmed. The Egyptians did not record their failures and after the deaths of their first born they wanted no memory of the Israelites whatsoever - they were stricken from all records - the fact that there is no evidence written in their hieroglyphics actually is evidence.

[@jesussavestrinahaifa5884]

If you seek me you will find me when you seek me with all of your heart. God wants to be known 🙏😢 so beautiful. Also I got nauseous with all the screen switching from guest to guest and then hearing others speaking but not seeing them on screen. Dr T. I'm begging yah PLEASE KEEP EVERYONE ON SCREEN at the same time. People like to watch your reactions and expressions to what's being said as well as any other guests that may be on the show. Thank you 🙏❤ I REALLY GOT NAUSEOUS there by the end and I watched this twice already 😊🙏

[@DevinAdint]

The issue with the 1 Kings 6 is James Moffatt translated the Septuagint he saw that the date was missing from some manuscripts and different in others and he concluded that the 480 years was a scribal notation. In Acts 13 we see Paul claim 450 years from Joshua to Samuel which would mean from the temple to the Exodus it was more like 580+ years give or take a few decades.

[@johnchavez928]

Wow amazing video... Thank God for people like this out there finding concrete evidence for the Bible. All praise and glory to YESHUA

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Hope In Christ only.🙏

[@Paulthored]

15hrs before broadcast... And there was already 6 Like's, and 2 Dislike's. I'm not sure which brothers me more... But on the balance, I'd think the quasi Hate inherently included in the 2 Dislike's sight unseen, is more troubling. Peace! Edit 2: 8hrs after upload... Only 9 Dislikes!! And almost Two Hundred Likes!! Much better feelings! 👏😎🎉 Edit: BCE = Before Christ's Era... Technically speaking it's more Biblical than simply saying Before Christ. And Christ's Era(CE), is basically the non Latin version of Anno Domini(AD). Even if it makes more Scientific sense to use BC/AD, than BCE/CE. For accuracies and efficienties sake, if nothing else.

[@johnmakovec5698]

We use also "before our calendar" and "after our calendar"

[@lengvijspeeker385]

I think bce and ce actually mean "before common era" and "common era" respectively, not having a dig but it just goes to show that the world hates christ and they are trying to remove his name from history as they dont want these abbreviations to be associated with christianity.

[@Paulthored]

@@lengvijspeeker385 I know this about those terms... It was kind of a joke, but partially a sudden idea/response to the word choice of someone in the video.✌😸 The kicker is that the change is solely based on those who supposedly are offended by the Christian connotations of BC(Before Christ) & AD(Anno Domini/In the year of our LORD, 20XX) being used. There is no Objectively Scientific reasoning for the change... There is actually an argument for the Less potentially confusing, and ultimately cheaper, BC/AD. If I have any problem with the "new" set, it's that it actually offends more people... And thus failed its one purpose. I'm sure the fact that those newly offended are predominantly Christian, has nothing to do with the change.

[@STREEEEEET]

Why would a like bother you?

[@Paulthored]

@@STREEEEEET Because sight unseen Likes, might be a symptom of blind belief. Like unseen Dislikes, are likely a symptom of Blind Hatred/Intolerance. One displays blind intolerance & Hatred.... The former one, is less certain... but could definitely display something approaching Idol worship, or similar levels of devotion to the content creators. At least, with this subject matter at least. ( _at least with the likes, one could argue that they just like the channel, and innocently Liked the fact that a new video was coming out soon. With the Dislikes, unless you're intolerant &/or hating the subject matter/content creators.... There's really no reason for the blind dislikes._ )

[@leechiawilder696]

I've wondered why so many biblical archaeologists ignore Decoding Exodus by Simcha Jacobovici? Didn't he propose this ten years ago?

[@johnmakovec5698]

Does he support 100% creationists?

[@nireekshanaanand3464]

Past few days just researching about the exodus before that on Joseph and today the video popped up

[@thakursatish100]

Hello brother...

[@johnmakovec5698]

Prays the Google

[@daledalesson7061]

Truly a great episode!

[@loricalass4068]

See God of the Mountain video with Jim and Penny Campbell. Lots of amazing evidence in rock, carvings, and so on for the wanderings in the desert. Tons of pictures of artifacts. Others also recorded those findings.

[@joanhuffman2166]

I have heard it said that the names of the treasure cities are consistent with the times of Ramses II. Whether that might indicate that Ramses was the Pharoah who knew not Joseph or that was the name of the places at the time of the Exodus (when it was written)? So are the names of Egyptian places written in Exodus consistent with Ramses II or Ahmenhotop II?

[@kingdomkid7225]

Is there any concern of that site (the earliest inscription that mentions YHWH) being destroyed now that it has been brought to the forefront?

[@kaycorea8229]

Omg, I need to rewatch this many times!

[@dalearmstrong62]

titus should contact david rohl and jim and penny caldwell

[@justinharris6486]

There is massive evidence on the red sea crossing and the real Mt.Sinai in Saudi Arabia watch the documentary the real Mt.Sinai 2 people snuck in and got video od Hebrew alters drawings there are caves up there that are called the caves of moshe they even went to the top and the stones up there were burnt black

[@jonathannorris8226]

I think he got the date wrong at 3:30... if anyone knows the correct BC date let me know... because 400 years + 400BC means that temple was built in Jesus days... but he mentioned 1 Kings... Thanks for anyone who clarifies what he meant... Interesting stuff and Praise God!

[@inspiredme7030]

Man, these people is amazing

[@pedrorodriguezriopedre8649]

What about Nuweiba Beach in Sinai and Mt Sinai in Midian (modern Saudi Arabia) along with the archaeological finds in the area that have some close patterns of association to the Exodus.

[@robertpreisser3547]

If you want a documentary that addresses those locations as well, the Patterns of Evidence: The Red Sea Crossing II covers all of the proposed locations very well.

[@TSis76]

This is so great!

[@preacherholllingshed4843]

I want any book video information that any of you 3 have for sale I'm tried of the lies. When I hear you guys my sprit jumps and tells me this all true thanks so much let me know how I can get all you have

[@slippery_slobber]

18:30 That’s probably one of the reasons the people stayed in the desert for such a long time. So the pharao could go to Canaan and catch more slaves. Imagine if the Hebrew people were there waiting to be enslaved again…

[@marshlightning]

2 million people could not live in that blazing desert for a week, let alone 40 years. Oh, and leave no trace either. Derrr

[@alwilson3204]

And what would be the possibility that God would of allowed such an intrusion. Indeed!

[@davegink9222]

@@marshlightning and yet people live in the desert today.

[@marshlightning]

@@davegink9222 Not 2 million of them with no access to water. Do you know how much water would be needed daily for 2 million people?

[@SydSquid856]

​@@marshlightning They had access to water. There are many rocks in the desert.

[@shanedulay2554]

Even actual evidence is dismissed if the atheist doesn't like it. Talk about irrational.

[@frankfleming9558]

Shane Dulay Can you give your best evidence?

[@shanedulay2554]

Looks like someone just went straight to the comments without watching the video.

[@frankfleming9558]

Shane Dulay Yes you’ve got me. I haven’t listened to this video at all. Have you? Because as far as historians, archaeologists and anthropologists are concerned, there is zero evidence for this biblical religious myth. So why would you think a biased video with an agenda to persuade the gullible that it’s true, had anything new at all?

[@frankfleming9558]

Shane Dulay Also, Stephen Meyer is an accomplished liar and publishes books on things he knows nothing about. So I have very good reason to not listen to 1:17:00 of misinformed drivel, as entertaining as they often are.

[@todbeard8118]

@@shanedulay2554 The Exodus occurred during the reign of Ramses II(1279-1213 BC). The problem is that Egypt ruled Canaan at that time. Why would the Israelites return to Canaan to deal with what they had just escaped?

[@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED]

Outstanding.

[@l.m.892]

The Bible mentions Zoan/Tanis Egypt. God said Ezekiel 30:14: "And I will make Pathros desolate, and will lay waste to Zoan/Tanis". Look at Tanis today. It is totally in ruins. Pathros is in upper Egypt, and is similarly in ruins. The Serapeum of Saqqara (Pathros) has huge (~60 - 90 ton) stone boxes that were abandoned unfinished. Something drastic happened, like they had to stop working and get out or they would lose their lives drastic.

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

People might want to look at David Rohl and what he says about this.

[@DDFergy1]

If one knows something of the wonders in the world and Universe they would realize the very normal patterns seen are as miraculous as any other event that is out of the normal patterns observed. Everything we live in and do is miraculous.

[@knxcholx]

People expecting there to be evidence in the middle of the desert, are out to lunch (my new favorite saying). Because, the elements of a desert aren't going to allow for the preservation of hardly anything.

[@MixtapeKilla2004]

Amazing!

[@KentHarrell-db4wf]

You could provide pictures and videos with date stamps and they would not believe, it’s their hearts that are the impediment, not the proof or lack there of

[@Flagrum3]

I really don't like the way they so easily dismissed the 'supposed' or as they called it 'mythical' finds purported of the Red Sea crossing by some. There has been many finds in the area of the Gulf of Aqaba and especially in Saudi Arabia. Why hasn't any archaeological team gone there to investigate at Neweiba beach area? There is an ancient column there still standing on Neweiba beachhead and in that specific area of the sea there is a shallow underwater bridge where the supposed artifacts were found. Curiously another pillar or column was found on the Saudi side of the sea with supposed ancient (Hebrew writings)? We can't investigate that or other things found on the Saudi Arabia side because the Saudi authorities removed that pillar and will not allow any western archaeologists into the area. The supposed gold chariot wheel found does look exactly like a type of chariot wheel used by the Egyptians. It is a four spoke design and has been seen on several Egyptian reliefs and paintings, so Titus is mistaken on that. There are quite a few videos on YT with video and photographic evidence of the finds by several groups of people over the last several decades. It would be prudent to atleast send an investigation team of true archaeologists to check it out, no?

[@tonetone7693]

According to the wall paintings, the Israelites were a melanated people group. Interesting.

[@jedi1love]

Goodness, why in the world is Jorge on this podcast 😂 These conversations are far outside his intellectual capacity, can’t even filter in good questions LOL

[@Rambo777]

Have they checkd out the Gulf of Akbar originally "The Red Sea" or "Sea of Reeds" where there is evidence of Egyptian chariots been found. There is coral growing in the shape of Egyptian chariot wheels, axles, etc. and coral does not grow naturally in man made shapes.

[@ryanrockstarsessom768]

Thank you

[@AlbertoRodriguez-qy4wu]

Ron wyatt found the red sea crossing sight in the eighties.

[@judygranberg4018]

Ron Wayatt (? Spelling) has the chariot wheel pics in the Red Sea

[@todbeard8118]

The Exodus is said to have taken place around 1300-1250 BC. The problem is in that time period Egypt ruled Canaan (from 1600-1100 BC) Why would the Israelites return to Canaan? That would be like fleeing New Mexico, wandering Northern Mexico for 40 years then entering Texas to escape US jurisdiction.

[@johnmakovec5698]

@D.D. Sure. They need to lovingly kill everybody. God is Love.

[@johnmakovec5698]

@D.D. Okkkay

[@seal9390]

Oh you again lol

[@todbeard8118]

@@seal9390 Are you a Christian?

[@ParadiseLordRyu]

@@todbeard8118 why do you people always ask that

[@alexhage8092]

The Prophet Joseph interpreter of dreams has an extensive history in Egypt (his kids are half Egyptian and the tribe becomes Ephraim and Menasseh, so do the offsprings , and it make sense why there is more specific info compared to Prophet Moses (historically and HolyBiblically speaking) . Plus we have the Tomb of Joseph. Yet another perfect example how Egyptians are more connected genetically to the ancient Hebrews rather than these modern pharisees, liars.

[@christislife9738]

...."these modern pharisees, liars" so are you saying that these two gentlemen on the program are liars? If so, what exactly did they lie about?

[@ryanperez8179]

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28 KJV Jesus lives Jesus Christ is Lord For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23 KJV Jesus loves you repent You're a sinner in need of a Savior That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9-10 KJV

[@oftin_wong]

When Egypt controlled caanan ....why would jews flee from Egypt to essentially Egypt. Daft logic

[@oftin_wong]

@Pond3r Thiz but I do, Egypt annexed Canaan in 1446 the exodus date is a little sketchy and a number of possibilities are offered including 1458 which would mean that after a 400 year stint in ancient Egypt the Israelites fled from Egypt to essentially what becomes Egypt in Canaan a decade later, however if they were lost in a desert for 40 years then they arrived 30 years after Canaan came under Egyptian control. Another date of 1450 is also offered, some biblical scholars also put the date in the 12th century BC but that is largely rejected for several reasons that you are probably not interested in because you are sure that I dont know what I'm talking about ...literally. What is your understanding of the timeline ...if you care to make a serious contribution to the discussion?...or maybe you cant

[@oftin_wong]

@Pond3r Thiz I guess you cant ..no problem

[@daleeasterwood2683]

@@oftin_wong , I would point out that the time of the exodus that you provide is not set in stone. Research provides conflicting time periods of the event. And the Egyptian hold on Canaan was crumbling by around 1200 BC and was not regained. I am very interested in learning why a 12th century BC exodus is mostly rejected, so please elaborate. I am aware of the research by Charles Dyer, which, while interesting, should hardly be considered definitive, in my humble opinion. This is an honest request and not an attempt at any kind of gotcha. Thanks.

[@slavladeekmartirosyan7305]

3:13

[@jruthbarclay]

Amen!

[@slavladeekmartirosyan7305]

6:26

[@slavladeekmartirosyan7305]

15:30

[@raysalmon6566]

Well that was great to hear that information I do think they found the Red Sea crossing and I was kinda surprised you didn't mention Jabel Alaz in the median district of Saudi Arabia. Yes I have turned my academic focus to archaeology since we are finding so much these days

[@frankfleming9558]

ray salmon They didn’t mention it because they haven’t found the Red Sea crossing at all. You’re talking about the lies of Ron Wyatt. He has been dismissed by all but the most ludicrous of lying apologists and evangelists.

[@raysalmon6566]

@@frankfleming9558 there have been several Archeology parties that have found the crossing. I'm aware of Wyatt but his insistence on Noah's ark puts him in question. There will always be people saying they never found something when they did. the main issue is the Hebrews did cross the Red Sea. also, the finding of the real Mt Sinai was a much more stronger evidence for Moses than anything they mentioned

[@frankfleming9558]

ray salmon Whats the evidence? Where is it? Wyatt was a confirmed fraud detailed by many Christian organisations.

[@raysalmon6566]

@@frankfleming9558 well I'm not a Wyatt fan but he was probably the first one to find Mt Sinai last century besides others came later and confirmed what he found, you did not mention what what Christian organizations said Wyatt was a fraud. besides there wiil always be nay sayers who really don't look into things. I'm pretty new to cross examined videos but I think we have to cross examine them also I do agree with them about the nomadic nature of the Hebrews which doesn't favor Archeology greatly there are 50+ YT vids on the crossing location I don't recommend all of them but the pillars and the chariots and the fort were hard to argue against

[@frankfleming9558]

ray salmon There’s nothing to look into. He presented no evidence. He died owing tens of thousands of dollars to TV companies without presenting anything. He is considered an embarrassment to Christianity.

[@slavladeekmartirosyan7305]

14:23

[@hansdemos6510]

Dr. Steven Meyer starts off reasonably correctly, about 3 minutes into the video: "We have strong extra-Biblical evidence for the presence of Israelites as slaves in Egypt prior to the date that the Bible allows you to calculate for the Exodus." This means that we need extra-Biblical evidence to verify the Bible, and it means that the evidence doesn't show that all Israelites, or even a sizable population of Israelites, were in Egypt at that time; just "some" Israelites. This correctly leaves up in the air that there probably were Israelites enslaved by the Hittites and the Mesopotamian nations as well. And Egyptians by the Hittites, and Hittites by the Egyptians, and vice versa etc... Leaving these things unsaid gives its own spin on the information given. Leaving them unsaid on purpose may be manipulative and disingenuous, as Dr. Meyer promptly demonstrates not a minute and a half later (4:37) by saying that "So we know *they* were slaves in Egypt..." which suggests falsely that *all* Israelites were slaves in Egypt, while the evidence he himself quoted only moments before just suggests that there were *some* Semitic people we may now recognize as Hebrews as slaves in Egypt at a time before his scripture derived date of the Exodus. I have noticed this tendency of Dr. Meyer to omit evidence that weakens his argument, and to inflate evidence that he believes bolsters his argument before, and I don't think this will help his case or his reputation in the long run.

[@johnmakovec5698]

This approach seems to be common by all people, who starts with "Bible is true.... now let's find supporting evidence". Because with this approach, any evidence weakening or even conflicting their starting constant "Bible is true" must be false, because there is no way Bible is not true.

[@hansdemos6510]

@@johnmakovec5698 Omitting pertinent information is one of Dr. Meyer's favorite tactics. Somewhere in this video, he says about Dr. Kennedy that he "has a really high standard of evidence", implying that he himself doesn't. I hope Dr. Kennedy will be able to resist Dr. Meyer's "dark side's pull" to compromise his standards of evidence in order to save more souls.

[@thealterego4684]

@@hansdemos6510 Oh, I don't think he would stoop to the levels of some authors like Lawrence Krauss, who was only too happy to misrepresent information to make the atheist position look better than it is.

[@hansdemos6510]

@@thealterego4684 I'm not all too familiar with the works of Dr. Krauss, or with the way he is portrayed in the fundamentalist religious community, so I don't quite know what you are referring to. Could you be more specific?

[@thealterego4684]

@@hansdemos6510 Krauss wrote the book, "a universe from nothing," which received quite a critical review for his antics. You can google reviews of his book by David Albert, Massimo Pigliucci, and Sean Carroll to see what they had to say.

[@danielcartwright8868]

How does the pharaoh getting doing another slave raid after the escape of the Israelites make sense if he was drowned in the red sea?

[@Thishandlewasvailable]

"After President Kennedy was shot and killed, the President of the United States worked hard for the country." Does that statement make sense? Yes, because you understand that it is talking about his successor, the next President. If you apply the same reasoning then your question is answered. "The king is dead, long live the king."

[@frankfleming9558]

REWC No. Let’s rewrite your quote to make it more accurate.... After president Kennedy was killed, president Kennedy worked hard for the country. Now it makes no sense again. Just like the bible.

[@Thishandlewasvailable]

@@frankfleming9558 Sorry but I think you've misunderstood my point - likely due to my own insufficiency. You seem to be treating Pharaoh like it's a proper noun rather than a title. If you want to make my quickly assembled example more accurate then you would just say that 'after the President was murdered, the President did a good job.' I simply added Kennedy in the first case for clarity. I had hoped that my final quote, "The king is dead..." would have served to emphasize that. In conclusion, if Pharaoh dies in the Red Sea and then Pharaoh goes out to acquire slaves, then there is no contradiction or issue.

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REWC Excuse my ignorance, but I hat is the original quote that this pharoh problem is coming from?

[@Thishandlewasvailable]

@@frankfleming9558 I don't know. I haven't watched this video yet but I've simply responded to the question that was asked purely on its own terms.

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[@jonnyreid4202]

The presence of “several” Israelite slaves in Egypt or their culture doesn’t prove that millions of them were there, or that god sent plagues or that he parted the Red Sea. I mean Egypt was right next door to Israel so obv there were going to b some Israelite slaves there. If all these Israelites were there then there would b an abundance of Hebrew stuff in Egypt, but as this video shows there is very minimal Hebrew stuff there.

[@franciscocepeda8416]

For more biblical archeological discoveries check out videos about Ron Wyatt’s research ❤🔥 THE BIBLE SPEAKS TRUTH

[@alwilson3204]

Most scholars consider his 'work' questionable, at best.

[@demanitorres5925]

@@alwilson3204 given the fact people don't want to accept the bible as true and have a hard heart towards it it's not unlikely scholars wouldn't want to give credit where it's due

[@raysalmon6566]

dude the chariot wheels at bottom of the Red Sea do not look like boat steering wheels..... please..

[@johnmakovec5698]

And the point?.....

[@raysalmon6566]

1. SOLD FOR THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER Prophecy: Zechariah 11:12 And I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed thirty shekels of silver as my wages. Fulfillment: Matthew 26:14-15 Then one of the twelve, named Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests, 15 and said, “What are you willing to give me to deliver Him up to you?” And they weighed out to him thirty pieces of silver.

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@@raysalmon6566 This kind of prophecies are funny. Because they describe stories with no witnesses to make them fit to some older stories.

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@@johnmakovec5698 if there were no witnesses then how did they know what to write down?

[@raysalmon6566]

@@johnmakovec5698 Dan Wallace would strongly disagree with that Biblical Authorship This is the disciple John 18 24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true. 25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. 2. EXTERNAL EVIDENCE for mark “So strong was the early Christian testimony that Mark was the author of this gospel that we need do little more than mention this attestation.”2 It is cited by Papias, Irenaeus, the Muratorian Canon (most likely), Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Origen, and Jerome. Further, this testimony is universal in connecting this gospel with Peter. Papias Dan Wallace 253

[@johndavis-cf5wf]

Your god is the author of confusion.

[@johnmakovec5698]

Wedge W..... there would be both pleasant and unpleasant things with existence of (christian protestant version of) God. Possitives: If you are suffering, no need to fight... you will be OK next life. You can bravely spread your religion, because if they kill you, you will be rewarded. Negatives: If you are spreading your faith fearfully and you will get killed, you've just lost any life you had to spread a false hope.

[@Paulthored]

@Ναζωραῖος I totally agree with you on this matter... John Makovcc isn't making any kind of logical sense. The only way I could get to that reasoning, is if he gets his understanding of what the Bible says, or Christianity... Is if he gets it from places like Rick n Morty, or Atheist/Secularist dogma.

[@johnmakovec5698]

​@Ναζωραῖος Do you believe, that a muslim killed while he is spreading his faith will be rewarded by christian god? Or does he end suffering in the hell?

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@@Paulthored Do you believe, that you can just gain by becoming a christian?

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@@johnmakovec5698 you're are totally confused man. Totally!!

[@richardcalculusd2655]

@@johnmakovec5698 you can't even communicate clearly. It's not clear which worldview you hold but whatever your persuasion, you must at least take time to review both Islam and christianity. A bit of schooling is recommended else you'll be talking from silence

[@johnmakovec5698]

TwwwJ: Were on the Noah's Arch two chiuahuas and two great danes? Because new chiuahua is always from chiuahuas and great dane is always from great danes.

[@johnmakovec5698]

@TwwwJ JwwwT So where chiuahuas come from???

[@maow9240]

@@johnmakovec5698 speciation is a thing and nobody is denying that.

[@johnmakovec5698]

@@maow9240 TwwwJ is denying that.

[@maow9240]

@@johnmakovec5698 i stand corrected

[@johnmakovec5698]

@@maow9240 He has no problem to accommodate all breeds of dogs to Arch, because by his logic two chiuahuas never get birth to great danes or vice versa.

[@johnmakovec5698]

If an archeologist in year 3500 will find out an archeology sites of New York .... he can confirm, that Spiderman really existed. Because story of Spiderman fits perfectly into the New York.

[@AD-en5dq]

so is it business or leisure for you to make comments like these?

[@johnmakovec5698]

@@AD-en5dq With my bad english ...no one would be paying me for it :D Leisure & procrastination.

[@growingtruedisciples]

Yes, but there is overwhelming evidence that spiderman is a fictional superhero. He existed as a fictional superhero.

[@AD-en5dq]

@@johnmakovec5698 when I asked about business I didn't mean you were being paid I meant you are coming here to tear someone down for believing something... that is the businesses of atheist or "agnostic" yet consider themselves to merely lack belief...

[@johnmakovec5698]

​@@growingtruedisciples Yes, exactly! We know TODAY that Spiderman is a fictional character. But if you created a church based on Marvel, then once would archeology proved it to be true. That is the point. We know, that Spiderman is fictional. But if you use same methodology, you would prove him truth. Because you see, that this methodlogy can't work for Spiderman, you can't use it honestly with Old Testament. Existence of New York doesn't prove Spiderman. So the evidence of natural things in myth doesn't prove the other parts. Does authors of Spiderman know the New York of 20th century? Yes. Does authors of evangeliums know the Judea of 1th century? Yes. Does correct description of New York makes Spiderman true? No. Does correct description of the Judea makes evangliums true? No. Even testimonies of people, that they saw a spiderman would not be sufficient for you to believe in his existence. If some sect would claim, that Spiderman is true and they would be willing to sacrifise their life for it.... would it make the Spiderman true? People are able to commit a suicide for things obviously untrue. Like a spaceship in our orbit (google mass suicides).

[@0397rb]

pure foolishness

[@jox8568]

explain

[@frankfleming9558]

The creationists position is so weak they have to misrepresent the non believers position to something as equally absurd as theirs.

[@AD-en5dq]

can you explain both of them correctly?

[@frankfleming9558]

A D Yes thanks. The creationist believes everything was created by god. The non believer lacks belief in that.

[@AD-en5dq]

@@frankfleming9558 you realize saying you lack belief is defaulting you to the negative... would you argue for the possibility of God's existence with an Atheist that is someone who is definitively on the negative? because if its merely lack of believe I should see the same incredulity cutting against the negative...

[@frankfleming9558]

A D The non believer lacks belief. That means they do not hold such a belief. This could range from simply not convinced to a conviction that there is no god and everything in between. I couldn’t understand what you meant.

[@AD-en5dq]

@@frankfleming9558 Atheism - God does not Exist Agnosticism - God may or may not Exist to say you lack a belief implies a ability to have that belief... if this is truly the position a nonbeliever would hold they should be able to argue for and against God's existence but I have yet to see that occur. that is an agnostic arguing for God not against him so when you say the non believer's position that is to presuppose God does not exist so... have I cleared up what I meant and intended to convey?

[@markoantoinehadrian7286]

Also, i have never believed believed that Rameses II was the pharoah of the Exodus...since the 90s...based on Biblical and Egyptian history common sense. Alignment of the events from both sides never showed a Rameses II pharoah - blame it on Hollywood's The 10 Commandments - Charleton Heston version for deceiving the public.

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