EPA: Lawyer Tells All

[@TheDieselPodcast]

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[@collinator68]

It's time to abolish the EPA.

[@anselpeneloperainblossom-s3489]

This is Nixon’s legacy.

[@atomicwedgie8176]

The government needs money... go find us some money EPA!

[@candyman1967]

They are not elected by The People and should be shut down

[@Asamccp]

Now for the big question: Since the gov is $1.6 billion richer, how much can we expect the global temperature to fall?

[@theadventuregeneralist7024]

None! But rest assured that corrupt Ukrainian elites will make good use of that money.

[@atomicwedgie8176]

This money will go to Ukraine, who will then funnel it back to members of Congress.

[@mikesh8968]

Go ask the caveman.....me personally I like to stay warm.....lol

[@mikesh8968]

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[@petertennant2612]

How much did the u.s. government fine drug manufactory when thousands of peaple died from opioid overdoses?, how many peaple have died directly caused by emissions defeats? Government always goes for low hanging fruit...S.M.H....

[@JBidensucks]

Get a clue bro. Pharmacies and drugs HELP push the governments desire for control and communism. Citizens making their life better and being independent thinkers/actors DOESNT.

[@GMCJay_lly]

The government is in bed with big pharma...

[@dima-9646]

Correction. Prioritizes to go after those that will pay with small to no fight because they do not want to disturb peaceful life for their family and they do not wish to jeopardize their business in attempt to fight the government organization in the rigged game/court.

[@meetshield2461]

Remember the only person to go to prison for our torture program was John Kiriaku... the former CIA agent that leaked that we had a torture program. "We tortured some folks." -Barack Obama.

[@randdowney8824]

Case in point: My Pillow's Mike Lindell?

[@silverstake88]

The EPA needs to have a "defeat device" put on itself. Diesel engines can't breath. And the amount of soot captured over a year is less than a spewing volcano over 1 minute.

[@charlescarmichael1124]

Fact!!! Here's another one. When Mt. Saint Helens blew, it spewed more CFC's into the air then all the planes, trains, cars, boats, power plants, factories, and any other producer of CFC's. EVER. The entire industrial revolution has not produced as much pollution as one volcano did in ONE DAY.

[@awdeveau]

Soot is also heavier than air, it might come out looking like a black cloud and look like it's putting out a lot of pollution, but really it's just ash, unburned fuel that settles back on the ground. It only takes a handful of the big cruise ships and container ships to equal ALL the cars worldwide. Something like 11 ships I believe, if that. But why go after huge companies when you can stick it to the working man for trying to make his truck more reliable and efficient.

[@OtisFlint]

@@awdeveau You do realize that low sulfur diesel and scrubbers have been imposed on international shipping within the last 2 years, right? EPA has regulated ships for decades, hence switching fuels in US waters. Can't regulate outside your jurisdiction, but the IMO can and is.

[@jamesmedina2062]

@@awdeveauthey don't want the hassle of going after the "working man". Either way the working man like me needs safety protections. Not all of us are stupid and cutting ourselves up. Sure when you are driving a truck you may not see the pollution behind you but what if you are driving behind another rig for miles and miles?

[@joesalazar770]

It is a rogue organization they have no power now how to challenge them they'll drop it. They are not part of any government body only a rogue organization sueing anyone they can ds operatives

[@MarkShinnick]

What are the fines and penalties for lying to Americans, fostering wars, opening borders, and destroying the economy?

[@BrentWShort]

I just want my vehicle to perform so that I can afford to make a living….Bottom line….Emissions make that impossible.

[@okgroomer1966]

Get a older truck. Plenty of pre emission diesels still around. Or just get a earlier model. My 2011 duramax isn't bad.

[@mikz86ta1]

​@@okgroomer19662011 is LML, that's got every device known to man added to it for a diesel.Its the first year of all the new mandated devices. Absolutely horrible advice. I know, I had one. Congrats yours is lasting but the amount of Regens, failing NOx sensors, poorly thought out frame mounted NOx controllers, leak prone EGRs, and the beloved CP4.2....its the worst Dmax to ever buy. 😂

[@BringBackMasculinity1987]

The problem is that if you buy a semi and looking to lease on with a carrier, alot of them require your truck to be 10 years old or newer.

[@marrag1]

This kind of crap is going to turn people away from ever buying a new diesel truck ever again. Older diesel trucks are like gold now.

[@tjmarochak]

That’s exactly what the EPA wants, they don’t like diesel engines period

[@marrag1]

@@tjmarochak the EPA can suck it!!

[@Redbloodroadrunner]

@@tjmarochakthey hate everything, including you as a human. Did you see that they are saying people breathing is causing global warming? That’s the level of hate and stupidity they are at.

[@patrickcannell2258]

Pests!!! Wokes. ​@@tjmarochak

[@dima-9646]

@@tjmarochakthat agency was created by investors/clans that have investments in the renewable/“green energy” sector 🤷‍♂️

[@brianthompson9485]

Screw the EPA and everyone that works for them.

[@BrandonAmmons-e6g]

Tbh, I don’t care who’s in office or what agency is….. never trust the govt. period.

[@scottmccutcheon9828]

Hear! Hear!

[@silverstake88]

An arbitrary statement: "I don't think it would be 'reasonable' to require everyone to bring their engine into compliance...." The diesel emissions laws aren't "reasonable." All this NONSENSE comes from a state where they don't even know what GENDER they are!!!! Totally ridiculous.

[@okgroomer1966]

Im gonna run my IDI on used motor oil the entire year just to spite the epa.

[@pbalerig]

Evil govt and evil epa

[@sams7655]

Why is government allowed to buy and drive all of these non compliant vehicles?

[@patricksquires77]

Yah- this is govment for yah. I used to run cabling. Low voltage / hight voltage etc. I would go into a building and run cable for the job and everything had to be to codes - which is fine. I then go into a government office and would see cables would be ziptied to the fire sprinklers and unshielded & unterminated & etc. I could not bring myself to do that stuff but no inspection was required on government facilities work. The ONLY thing they cared about was trip hazards.

[@GeneralBeefDip]

It is because they are money hungry hypocrites. It’s not about the environment or they wouldn’t have entire branches of government vehicles along with the president’s limo deleted. All while they fly their private jets all over the place. Telling you to buy an EV and get rid of your gas stove to save the planet.

[@gdt5430]

Only Military is exempt.

[@GeneralBeefDip]

@@gdt5430 don’t forget the presidents limo with an LML duramax engine and no emissions controls. Along with all the trucks they are export out of our country from the OEMs with no emissions controls.

[@patrickcannell2258]

They are the boss!!

[@zionsredemptionradionetwork]

I drive a semi truck for a living and am required to take a ten hour break… after 6 hours of sleep, the damn engine wants to do a regen and it wakes me up every time and it’s impossible for me to go back to sleep… which means I am not getting the sleep I need… if I turn off the regen the truck does an auto shutdown and the shut down alarms go off and wake me up. It’s a bunch of BS for the truckers but the EPA couldn’t care about these things at all.

[@BrentWShort]

The emissions requirements are impossible to sustain….Just ask any owner or mechanic….Systems are just “out the door” to comply/sell vehicles….After that,longevity of these systems is YOUR problem….Impossible

[@patrickcannell2258]

American EPA and its European equivalent are a bunch of woke pests. Car and truck killers. I understand the cheating of Cummins and VW. They are unreasonable.

[@johnsalvaterra3116]

This was known by the EPA,and CARB. I worked on the problem at my job for 4 years, the time and expense, of maintaining the systems inorder too meet the EPA limits, especially nitrogen oxides. However even though these concerns were brought too the attention of EPA ,and CARB, they refused to address the concerns, this is the reason CAT stopped over the road engines. CAT, was doing work parallel to ours, and getting the same results. Bureaucrats, they are the problem.

[@patrickcannell2258]

@@johnsalvaterra3116 bunch of woke pests! They did not want to address the issue. They want to force us into EV's. And no country has sufficient electricity generation for that. About control and nothing else.

[@BrentWShort]

@@johnsalvaterra3116 Thanks for the reply,interesting that others have been involved,but to no avail….This is destroying our nation worse than any other factor,most don’t know,or even care….Really sucks and affects everyone….Nobody cares the point….

[@SpaceTrucker31]

The fact taht the government grants itself exceptions from the emissions crap tell you what you need to know.

[@brianathey9298]

Can you tell me why CA is getting some of the fine money??

[@wolfhawg]

Commiefornia is going to be the government. FJB

[@pbalerig]

Thank you for having a lawyer on here

[@EdwardMartinsPhotography]

So if my 2018 Cummins no longer has any emissions parts, do I need to do the recall? 🙂🙂🙂 (I love living in rural America, where I'm still sort of FREE.)

[@Dieselthedog185]

I wish the EPA and the Clean Air Act would go after the makers of these batteries for these electric cars the making of One battery will put out more pollution than any diesel pickup

[@3rweldingandfabrication375]

Or cargo ships and why are government/military vehicles exempt if these systems work so good?

[@grumpyolddan7803]

The EPA is too stupid to understand that efficiency should not be measured in MPG. Efficiency should be measured by the amount of work done per gallon of fuel. My freightliner dump truck can move over 50,000 lbs at 5 mpg. A smart car can only move 500 pounds and gers 50 mpg. You tell me which one is more efficient....

[@LASr-x7n]

And you get 1/5th the mileage out of EV tires with much more particle pollution.

[@scottmccutcheon9828]

@Dieselthedog185 Be mindful of when the EPA was created. It is merely fulfilling its long-term objective, which has zero to do with "protecting" any-thing. Certain. "Agendas" of "Mr. Global" were already afoot by the time the #EPA was officially founded in 1970. In actuality, the #EPA has absolutely zero constitutional basis for existing. Nor do roughly 99.99% of any of the other alphabet-soup agencies. Nor does the #EPA have any constitutional authority to legislate. Another fly in the ointment is "Chevron Deference Doctrine." Supposedly, the SCOTUS is to take another look at "Chevron Deference Doctrine" later this year. If the SCOTUS reverses the decades long precedent of "Chevron Deference Doctrine" it may likely clip the wings of many of the alphabet-soup agencies (such as the #EPA) that have unconstitutionally usurped legislative duties.

[@scottmccutcheon9828]

@Dieselthedog185 Be mindful of when the #EPA was created. It is merely fulfilling its long-term objective, which has zero to do with "protecting" any-thing. Certain. "Agendas" of "Mr. Global" were already afoot by the time the #EPA was officially founded in 1970. In actuality, the #EPA has absolutely zero constitutional basis for existing. Nor do roughly 99.99% of any of the other alphabet-soup agencies. Nor does the #EPA have any constitutional authority to legislate. Another fly in the ointment is "Chevron Deference Doctrine." Supposedly, the SCOTUS is to take another look at "Chevron Deference Doctrine" later this year. If the SCOTUS reverses the decades long precedent of "Chevron Deference Doctrine" it may likely clip the wings of many of the alphabet-soup agencies (such as the #EPA) that have unconstitutionally usurped legislative duties.

[@mts592]

🕵️ We need a Constitutional Conformity for all Laws & Regulations! Diesel engines would run cleaner if the diesel fuel wasn't full of chemicals. What ever happened about the studies showing how bad DEF is harming our environment?

[@Unduplicatable]

What about ME as a study? Every time a truck is auto-regenerating, I swear I would rather work in the sewage industry than smell a truck doing a regen!

[@DeLonghe_P_Ness]

According to the EPA, the vehicle(s) weren't compliant from day one! So, is deleting those vehicles considered "illegal"? We all know the shit is junk anyway!

[@blackfox1961]

I'm a mechanic so I understand engines. I'm told if you buy a diesel engine with 600 hp or more (such as a tractor or big mining equipment) no DEF is required. Is this so and if so why?

[@ga-gz1bo]

Defund the EPA now….

[@mts592]

Q: What is the environmental and or the carbon footprint of the VW fiasco? My guess, just leaving the VWs on the road would have been way less.

[@johnstepanic1183]

This is a bunch of BS! Cummins and the epa had been working with each other for the past four years. The epa needed funding for their other projects in exchange for Cummins keeping their military contract with the federal government. It also was needed to flush out all the guys who deleted their trucks.

[@andymike6575]

Cummins needs to grow its dick back and play hardball with those power-hungry jackboots and needs to refuse any support, sales, or contracts with the gov’t. Same goes for the other diesel manufacturers. We need them to stand and fight with us for our freedoms

[@mikealchin525]

EPA needs to be removed

[@jeffs2809]

I’m curious about the 2014’s being non-compliant from the start. I had one, it still went into regen regularly and still used def. I’d like to see what actually made it “non-compliant” and how that changed after 2014. My ‘17 doesn’t seem to be much different in regens or def use.

[@mx3727]

Ok, so here's the next question: if the EPA can fine Cummins based on their tuning, what happens to manufacturers and tuners that provide custom tuning and products that support that? What type of spillover into other markets (motorcycles for example) will then happen?

[@jeffs2809]

They are already being targeted. If you look around on the epa site for enforcement actions or settlements, you’ll see that no vehicle is safe.

[@perryritchie7845]

What about trucks that are pre emissions. Are the epa going after them for deletes

[@gcflower99]

The old IT guy in me would love to see the code in the ECM that could tell when the truck was on the test rack at a smog shop vs when it was out on the open road pulling my trailer on a camping trip. So, a copy of the original ECM load from the factory would help with mileage, longevity, etc., while emitting a little extra NOx. So, saving that "original factory" ECM code (programming) on a tune device and reloading it after dealer/shop/service or recall would make your truck perform the way it did originally (better mileage, longevity, etc.).

[@davecollins6113]

What the gov't wants and what the engineers can deliver, are usually two different things. THey said the tech wa not there before 2008, and they have said so since at every stage. And it is the OEM's and dealers that are stuck with the cost of it, and of course, the consumer pays one way or the other. The cost of the parts, labour to install, and engineering costs, are all built in, along with the warranty non-recoverables, and that is not a small amount.

[@JustinSchooler-f2j]

I paid an enormous price for my truck, always has emissions problems

[@Upsidedownfoodpyramid]

Is there any studies that look at what pollutes more in the long run, more reliable, less restrictions and higher MPG vs higher restrictions of emissions devices with lower MPG and higher lower reliability?

[@6.4DieselDoctor]

What most don’t realize is you can’t just hook Cummins Insite to the truck and program it. You have to use the dodge/ram software to get in the ecm. I’ve tried it and it wouldn’t connect.

[@davidwadlow2262]

In the 85% number you have to consider units lost to wrecks or floods. Things like that and also units that have already been deleted and tuned. Then, those will not be available to be recalibrated per OEM spec, and that account toward the 15% Cummins cannot reprogram.

[@mx3727]

I agree with the first part, accounting for accident vehicles, scrapped vehicles, etc. But on your second point i disagree. See, if a person with a deleted truck goes to the dealer for the recall and the truck is deleted, the dealer will have to advise the customer that all of those parts will need to be reinstalled (and most customers will not have them) before the recall can be performed. There will now be a paper trail tied to that VIN, and if the customer declines the repairs, the government (look at what CA has already done) can just refuse to renew registrations, effectively forcing those customers to either pony up or get rid of the truck (good luck with that).

[@davidwadlow2262]

You have a valid point. I would say that there are a few states that will not go the route as CA and other CARB states. As well as those individuals who own a modded unit know of someone that can assist them and hence not return to the dealer. I have no doubt that with other prosecutions from the EPA on suppliers, they have a rough idea of those numbers of trucks affected by aftermarket mods. EPA and Cummins know that 100% enforcement, although desired, is not remotely possible. Again, this is a great and well presented point to know and consider.

[@jeffs2809]

@@mx3727OR the dealer tech will just install the new update and force the owner to “fix” the truck. Maybe that’s limping home to install the proper parts, reinstalling the tune in the parking lot or paying the dealer to fix it.

[@christopherhawn831]

I wonder if this “tuning” was the catalyst of all the issues with the early emissions trucks?

[@Cuontheflipside72]

Trucks goin to be $200.000 next year everyone needs to eat all trucks should shut down until epa gets there head out there a.. emissions are such a joke

[@cupwalker24.7]

Nahhhh fuck em . The trucks are sky rocketing in price ;)

[@Cuontheflipside72]

@@cupwalker24.7 👍

[@chriscoster4436]

Would @thedieselpodcast be willing to explore the Consent Degree, specifically Appendix B, Special Extended Warranty? I complied with the Recall past Friday, then Saturday set a MIL P1C54. Dealership and RAM Customer Care say there is no warranty provided.

[@rocrater100]

As always, this was a good listen. There needs to be a cut off date for emission requirements that kicks in when the mfg is out of the repair part obligation. That usually 10 years.

[@bullybluecoal1831]

If every diesel owner simply does not comply, what would the EPA do? Take everyone's trucks and make arrests? That is all against our bill of rights. Non compliance is key. The EPA can go pound sand.

[@keithmceuen8775]

They made it cycle the egr less to lessen the soot buildup so the emissions wouldn’t be so problematic

[@Jimo225]

does anybody got statistics on car mechanics and diesel people dying from heart attacks? i think all the fumes highly increase the chance for heart disease. Anybody got info on this?

[@johnsalvaterra3116]

I can say that diesel soot is a carcinogen. That is well studied. The problem here, with these regulations were nitrogen oxides. Nitrogen oxide limits were set very low, by the EPA, without any real studies to show the benefit. I worked on this problem with other engineers for 4 years, without much success, and maintaining the systems was very time consuming and expensive. Our work was presented to the EPA, and CARB, but we're ignored.

[@alepvazquez9831]

So after the software update, can these trucks still be deleted ??

[@nicholasmendoza6159]

I would pay an extra 5k for a truck if i knew they were going to lobby that 5k against the EPA.

[@ryan1the8grate]

The Farrell Government is out of control.

[@blainesnider9089]

This is total government over reach.

[@042452]

I kept my TDI and they paid me 8K and a long Warranty one of the best cars I have ever owned

[@powerline_grizzly9191]

Has Vinny from lead foot diesel performance ever found a crew cab, long bed lb7 zf6. If not, i know of one for sale. I dont know if it matter but it is 2wd

[@vinnyhimes1077]

I did find one in Tennessee contacted the seller multiple times and never got a reply. I would have to have 4wd, I appreciate you looking out!

[@powerline_grizzly9191]

I'm from Iowa and it's in Fargo, ND. I've been eyeballing it cause just last year i sold my lly zf6 crew cab long bed and kinda miss it.

[@Mill72]

I use more DEF on my 2022 than my 2018. The new software will have more DEF usage on the 2013-2019. I’m also sure during cold startup until engine gets to operating temps software will tweak some of the stragedy. Mileage, performance and regens no different berween my 2018 & 2022. The 2020-2022 are clear of the recall since the software was on the trucks when leaving the factory. Actaully my 2022 feels stronger down low than my 2018.

[@okgroomer1966]

My personal 2011 duramax uses little DEF but my work truck (2020 Cummins) slurps it down. It also goes into regen constantly. Luckily I still have a 1991 IDI too because modern diesels really suck. The 2011 was the one and only modern diesel I'll ever buy. It hasn't been bad but I think I've been lucky.

[@joesalazar770]

I am so glad you did this video and if you look at the programming on the ecu its not a defeat device it is designed to protect the engine exc under certain vonditions there intent was not to defeat emissions it was to protect the consumer overall. So they would not have a catastrofick failure. Keep exposing the truth guys.

[@patricksquires77]

A HUGe SIGNIFICANT difference between VW and this case’s settlement for your viewers. Diesel VW owners got a very large checks for their cars. I feel like nothing offered for our trucks except a mystery update recall. Every one of these trucks is now devalued by this whole EPA outcome and many owners might need to sell their truck as they may not trust the recall or recall may be impossible now for their truck.

[@djjmann]

Major point there! As with stocks, just the fact that the EPA sued and won against Cummins will make it a bargaining chip for anyone looking to buy a diesel Ram.

[@gonzotripz2366]

No way does Cummins meet 85% recall completion in 3 years. EPA is hedging its bets on another chance to fine Cummins. Otherwise a buy-back incentive would have been mandated in the settlement. And, yes, I’d take the buy back. In good faith I bought a compliant truck. Now I have a recall that’s going to rear end its resale/trade value.

[@BBQOnABudget]

So someone brings their truck in for an airbag recall and is forced to leave with new engine software?

[@vinnyhimes1077]

Yes

[@BBQOnABudget]

@@vinnyhimes1077 I had to call a local dealership and check…they said I could have the airbag recall fixed and not get the software update. No telling what the write up would be tho….”customer declines update” or “update not performed” or “customer refuses update before appointment time” lol

[@threeftr3349]

They are talking with the front desk/service dept,staff, and not the actual service dept manager or a certified tech. I would never believe them. And I bet they would not put that in writing. We were just talking about the certified dealerships that does the recalls and they would just fix your truck and then do all the recalls and tell you afterwards, We checked our 2017 Ram which we bought 5 years ago on the NHTSA--(United States Department of Transportation) using the vin, ours showed 0 Unrepaired Recalls. So we are golden. We don't go to certified dealerships, they love to rip you off. Plus certified dealerships use shitty bulk low grade oil. We change the fluids, engine, transmission, front/rear differential fluid, and the transfer fluid will be next ourselves. We saved thousands over the years. We strictly use AmsOil, and the company gives us a discount the more you buy from them. We changed out the shocks, and even put in a bigger gas tank.

[@rogerstewart5140]

So what's going to happen on these deleted truck then?.

[@MechanicalMafioso]

Nothing, most states don’t test.

[@GeneralBeefDip]

Curious to see what Kori’s findings are with a truck pre-recall and post recall to see what the actual NOx level difference is. The government will go after Chevy/GM/Ford next to collect their pay checks. This is the governments way to also get all emissions installed back on all trucks regardless of the years.

[@charliemagoo7943]

Seriously doubt the gm vehicles. Anything to do with the exhaust emissions will go into reduced power mode. That's why so many went to cummins.

[@GeneralBeefDip]

@@charliemagoo7943 Dodge/cummins just became the example to the others. Now at any point in time the government can go to the OEMs and start looking through their tunes files from present time to however far back they want to go. If they find anything they don’t like then the same happens to them next. Wait until the government starts doing the same with off-road construction equipment/tractors. They have the same emissions stuff strapped to them.

[@thetonybrannan]

My opinion is Chrysler got a slap on wrist and me as a consumer is now stuck with a 2015 3500 Cummins truck that was diagnosed last year by Chrysler with 60+ codes and was estimated to cost $27,000 to repair. This includes replacing the transmission because of a faulty shift solenoid. I would have to replace the transmission or tow it to the dealership for the recall. Cost me $5000 in 2020 for the EGR and numerous other emissions issues. Less than a 100 miles later the check engine light was back on. 🤬

[@okgroomer1966]

It's a shame Cummins didn't come in other trucks. Chrysler products have always been sh!t. Get yourself a old IDI or duramax. You'll be much happier.

[@thetonybrannan]

@@okgroomer1966 I bought a $100,000 GMC 3500 Denali Duramax in November. It’s been to the service center twice so far. First was an ECM update before I hit 6000 miles and the drivers side heated seat not working from the day it rolled off the assembly line. Don’t get me wrong I like this GMC way more than I ever liked the RAM.

[@okgroomer1966]

@@thetonybrannan I wouldn't buy anything newer than 2019 from anyone. Quality went right out the window with covid and never came back.

[@RobertHasty]

Went in for service on my 2018 3500 last week, turned down the recall 67a I believe it was.

[@mikebradford7780]

Bahahahaha! No you didnt.

[@adambowers496]

Soon the epa is gonna shut the car and truck industry down and make everyone walk 😅

[@silverstake88]

EXACTLY...

[@roncross1250]

I had the recall done. I cannot find anyone willing to talk about the extended warranty required by the EPA.

[@ryanpanik8989]

Start testing US warships and see what emissions they put out or navy aircraft carriers and see what they put out prob an exemption from that somewhere somehow. Or they can put our US tanks and military equipment under test I would be curious on what those results are

[@colewilliams3974]

Out of curiosity, I haven't been following extremely close, but is it noncompliant to take a newer truck that came with emissions, say 6.4 or 6.7, and delete the entire motor to swap a 12v with no emissions in it? Is that a loop hole or still a no no lol.

[@jcadams8232]

Instead of a BOHICA strategy and attitude, let's hear from a lawyer with the New Civil Liberties Alliance about the limits of agency action.

[@87fubar]

i have an 87 f250 6.9 idi never gettin rid of it

[@Mopartizan4774]

Epa are getting ridiculous

[@orvillevincent2186]

I thought the only thing the new software did was change the Def gauge. Before it could run a few miles empty and now it won't.

[@patricksquires77]

Sorry if answered in past but where was the manufacturer cummins/chrysler/VW benefiting? If it was able to pass in testing why terminate the mode that passed. I cannot figure the above out - anyone know? Maybe it does not last as long?

[@patricksquires77]

I got a possible answer from the lawyer 3/4 way through this vid but still interested in other’s thoughts.

[@jeffs2809]

Ram sued Cummins to reclaim warranty costs on dpf & SCR replacements for the 2013-2015 ( or around those years). The suit was around 2015 & $60 mil, I think. I believe part of it the current settlement was Cummins trying to extend the life of those devices. The other part is I’m not totally convinced this was all 100% intentional. I think there have been some other cases where the epa insisted some piece of software was a “defeat device”, but the company insisted it was a permitted protection routine.

[@patricksquires77]

@@jeffs2809 that would explain the cahoons they apparently had to tell the government that they did not have it when inquired directly - they genuinely felt it was covered.

[@TheUnojoe2]

The EPA regulations and related additional devices, manufacture, shipping, elevated fuel consumption, motor life, etc… ALL of it is designed to LOWER the life of YOUR vehicle, while reducing your fuel efficiency.. under the impression of less emissions. How about the overhead of the bureaucracy, and the related cost to the consumer… the increased workload to pay for the bureaucratic overhead, etc?

[@MXvsATV144]

Alright how we can finally seu the EPA??? Seriously they cause more problems with the environment than anyone else. I bet the energy needed to create all of these emissions systems, transport them, rebuild them and repair them costs us more emissions due to fuel spent and electricity being used… I mean how how many gallons of diesel are solely used just to transport tanker loads or trailer loads of DEF across the world? Imagine those hundreds of thousands of gallons of diesel never being used up just to transport DEF in “plastic jugs” or tanker trailers.

[@BrentWShort]

Let’s hear some talk on real cost of supporting these systems….I dare you

[@denniswhitener1745]

The real question is if the EPA has them meet the standards on NOs what will it do to power and economy.

[@MXvsATV144]

The EPA should be forced to only drive these emission encapsulated diesel engines as they age, have them see the tons of time, $$$, lost days, aggravations millions of truck drivers have to deal with when DEF screws up, SCR performances, EGR’s and DPF systems fail yearly. Can’t get more then 3-5,000 miles on my 2014 Volvo without some kind issue going on that costs us tons of time or money to fix. It has costed us more then the fines we may have never even gotten if a state cop noticed it were deleted. So glad I deleted my 2015 Ram 2500… and our other semi trucks are from the 90s or early 2000’s before all that junk emissions… so reliable and clean burning our old stuff actually is

[@nicholasmendoza6159]

NEVER BE HONEST WITH THE GOVERNMENT.

[@arnejahr3531]

An why does the goverment truck have no emissions on them .

[@MegaTurk182]

Id like to hear your thoughts on the Chevron Deference.

[@keithmiller7110]

Well this just made the pre emissions trucks triple in value…

[@Lispyfarmer]

Can you tell me why California carb is not requiring this recall to be done for registering ram vehicles and also smogging them as well the California dmv are not requiring the proof of service like the recall letter says ? Do you know anything of that nature cause it’s on the carbs website and I never had to do the recall to get my truck registered and I am in a non smog county in California . Got my 2025 tags already and dmv said they are to requiring this proof of service

[@threeftr3349]

I don't live in CA, count your blessings for tomorrow it can change.

[@rusty299]

EPA vehicles are accept from having emissions on them. 😮

[@ionstaicu128]

Come on 37000 by 650000 is 24b not 2.4b which one is it

[@nathanbaier9929]

Based on that, they got the fine down probably more than anyone has even percentage wise.

[@nicholasmendoza6159]

DEFUND the ADMINSTATIVE STATE

[@brentmcmahon8188]

People that have deleted their trucks are screwed and it they didn’t save all parts they have to buy them !

[@gdt5430]

Their needs to be a class action lawsuit by all the owners of these affected vehicles against RAM and Cummins, Buy Backs should be on the table.

[@mx3727]

I disagree. I think we the people (and companies like Cummins) need to investigate the EPA's actions, regulations, methods, etc to determine if they are following their congressional mandate in accordance with the clean air act first, to determine if what they have been doing is legal. Just because they say it is, doesn't mean it really is.

[@patricksquires77]

FCA Cummins owes people allot of money.

[@dalemarshall625]

They're only doing this because no one is buying them battery cars They're trying to put you back to a horse and buggy

[@threeftr3349]

Well Hertz did dump all their EV cars which included Tesla for gas cars. Citing higher expenses related to collision and damage for EVs even though it had aimed to convert 25% of its fleet to electric by 2024 end. Higher vehicle insurance for everyone. More and more people are paying attention to the problems EVs has shown last few years. This includes spontaneous fires, and when people would be literally stranded during freezing temps/blizzards on the roadways and at charging stations. EV range anxiety is also growing as well.

[@banditman0000]

emissions that cut your fuel economy make no sense. Less fuel burned equals less emissions overall these epa and environmental watch groups are only looking at what comes out the tail pipe and not considering all the up stream maintenance and extra production of fuel and parts that these crappy systems cause. Not to mention taking engines that could run 500,000 miles or more and making them not even last 100 000 how much environmental damage is manufacturing all those extra engines causing? EPA is a joke and Cummins just gave them 2 billion dollars were all screwed!!!!!

[@cbr600rx7]

Cummins is never getting to 85%. When you consider how many trucks have been deleted in the aftermarket or lost do to accidents it’s not happening. Add that into owners who are not going to have to deal with the recall especially with all the issues the eco diesel recalls caused and I rest my case.

[@rusty299]

with that size of a fine who gets to use the money and why. does that amount of money go to the EPA and they get to use it to find more companies for more money?

[@cupwalker24.7]

There are illegal immigrants starving in New York city and we are at war ... . Just leave us Diesel lovers and Enthusiast alone and live in peice 🙏 we don't bother no one .

[@haydendenard2693]

I would LOVE and i can very well afford to buy a new truck but being a diesel mechanic i just cant bring myself to pull the trigger yet im a duramax guy I am thinking the l5p appears to be the most worked out i still daily drive my built lb7 whats so crazy is i purchased it at the height of covid the roof was crushed from insurance auction body work and all i had it on the road for $6,800 they were going for 15k plus at the time they have settled around 15k for lb7s in my area around 15k for a stock engine ive put freedom racing cupless heads and studded it and im about to put a 64mm turbo on it as soon as it warms up and i can still make money if i sold it i just dont want the headache of having to fix my own shit all the time if i buy an emmisions truck so ive restored this truck as close to new as you can get it leveled one 20x12s with 33s and i just love it

[@DonziGT230]

If they don't hit the 85% as the deadline comes close I wonder if they'll offer owners $ to bring their trucks in.

[@jasonschaeffer72]

I work on my vehicles myself. If I had one of these vehicles they would absolutely never be in a back to a dealership or shop required to reprogram the ECM 😂

[@markseaman4750]

“The emissions controls suck!” There he said it. An honest EPA lawyer says it like it is. The emissions controls reduce reliability, fuel mileage, service life. The question is: Do these strict emissions regulations on diesels really do any good? Nobody gets to challenge these edicts from the EPA.

[@eriksaxon458]

EPA overstepping again. All three letter government entities need to be dissolved on the ground of being unconstitutional

[@howebrad4601]

This ought to tell these boneheads that the standards are unrealistic. Get active. Contact you federal representatives and apply pressure to rein in these out of control agencies. This govt is supposed to be for the people, not against us. Aren't people tired of this tyrrany yet? California is a big market but if I was running one of these auto companies I'd rather not sell vehicles in CA versus the huge hassle

[@destro513]

How about this. Stop selling everything in California

[@sparkplug9231]

Cummins shouldn’t pay anything. Idgaf what the excuse is the government has many non def/dpf vehicles. We shouldn’t have to deal with the BS either

[@danielhardin7881]

Theres no DEF on government vehicles.

[@CeL-w2p]

Who gets the money they can piss down the drain? How much does the Government's lawyers get of this fine? 😮😮😮. Better MPG = less fuel burned = less pollution!

[@derekstratford8214]

Defund the epa ,carb and the clean air act

[@Redbloodroadrunner]

Watch them become like caterpillar…