Epikeia in law, life of Christ. Viganò's "schism": Francis, Archbishop Lefebvre, SSPX.

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What is "epikeia" and how does it apply? The letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law. Equality vs. equity. Epikeia in the life of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Hierarchy of law. Conservatives respect law; liberals abuse law. The "schism" of Archbishop Viganò: SSPX and Archbishop Lefebvre. Is Viganò a "sedevacantist"? True meaning and consequences of sedevacantism. Are cardinals necessary? We must pray; God must act.
This episode was recorded on 7/9/2024.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:03 - Welcome & prayer requests
3:33 - What is "epikeia"?
24:42: The "schism" of Archbishop Viganò
30:10 - True meaning & consequences of sedevacantism
53:00 - We must pray; God must act

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@WCBFullEpisodes
@WCBFullEpisodes 15 күн бұрын
Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 1:03 - Welcome & prayer requests 3:33 - What is "epikeia"? 24:42: The "schism" of Archbishop Viganò 30:10 - True meaning & consequences of sedevacantism 53:00 - We must pray; God must act
@glennso47
@glennso47 15 күн бұрын
In the early church would people criticize Paul for standing up against Peter?
@clarekuehn4372
@clarekuehn4372 14 күн бұрын
Those cardinals and bishops are doubtful and if doubtful we stay away. But if they condemned Francis as heretic, they are legitimate?
@clarekuehn4372
@clarekuehn4372 14 күн бұрын
@@glennso47 Please provide reference. Thanks.
@glennso47
@glennso47 14 күн бұрын
@@clarekuehn4372My reference is when the Beatles bragged that they were more popular than Jesus Christ. The church condemned them for their comments.
@tinakathleen8571
@tinakathleen8571 11 күн бұрын
​@glennso47 it's a good question and one we may never thanks to high tech interconnectivity of today the whole world knows what's going on and therefore we are all called to descern. We as laity can not really ever fully judge because we are not in an ordained position but we must descern the faith and live by that. We must pray for pur Pope and Bishops and continue to respect the office of the papacy even of we don't agree with the outcomes. Most can see the disconnect between Vigano and his excommunication and that of actual u faithful clergy being promoted. There certainly is an incognuity.
@mariekatherine5238
@mariekatherine5238 15 күн бұрын
Here’s what one conservative n.o. Catholic, my aunt, age 95, is doing. She’s home bound and very upset at the state of the Church. Since she’s been unable to attend Mass in person in about five years, going instead on Zoom livestream. Her n.o. parish discontinued live streaming after Easter, but posts on KZbin the next day, Monday. None of my cousins, her adult children, grandchildren, and now, two great grandchildren goes to Mass. I blame V2 for that although the adults were baptized, a few of the grandkids, neither of the great grandchildren. Nobody goes to Mass or follows any religion. My aunt has been ev n more unhappy because not only can she no longer follow Mass on livestream, but they cut back on the “Eucharistic minister” lady bringing communion every Sunday, now, they’ve cut back to once a month. They expect $10 per visit to cover the cost of gas since the price has gone so high. I’ve got her set up with your and other traditional masses that livestream. Better yet, I did some digging with an intercontinental connection, and discovered a traditional priest, validly ordained, but canceled in 2010 for blowing the whistle on three seminarians in his charge. Caught them in the act and expelled them on the spot. He is now “independent” an unofficial hermit. He lives five miles from aunt! He’s going to come bless her room, consecrate it to the Sacred Heart, and bring her the Sacraments every Sunday! Here’s just one instance of Francis’s “punishment” of Vigano bearing good fruit! I’m hoping my cousins, grand nieces and nephews, great grand niece and nephew will meet Fr. and return or convert to the Faith! I, myself am an example of one soul upon whom V2 backfired! Between learning nothing but social justice stuff and making felt and burlap banners in “catechism,” and some 20 years of government “progressive education,” I turned out the opposite of what these agents of the devil had in mind.
@BujangMelaka90
@BujangMelaka90 15 күн бұрын
Deo gratias!
@marynadononeill
@marynadononeill 15 күн бұрын
God Bless your holy and good aunt. May her relationship with the Lord deepen and bear fruit.
@MyUsernameIsGuess
@MyUsernameIsGuess 15 күн бұрын
There will be NO Mercy for Sodom and Gomorrah...
@llamuth1919
@llamuth1919 15 күн бұрын
Thank you sincerely Fr. Jenkins and Tom for another excellent program. You have opened my eyes to so many things to consider. So much new information. May God bless you all abundantly and always! May God bless all of SSPV. 🙏🏻😇
@mikemcelroy8014
@mikemcelroy8014 15 күн бұрын
"pray the rosary every day" --- Our Lady of Fatima --- 1917 -⚔
@user-ys6sj4sx7j
@user-ys6sj4sx7j 14 күн бұрын
Thank you Father and Tom please remember me in your mass and prayers.
@LOOregano
@LOOregano 15 күн бұрын
Bp Sanborn specifically said that you can legitimately use a title that someone is commonly called, even if the orders are totally invalid. He addresses this specifically in one of his interview videos about vigano in the last week.
@tinakathleen8571
@tinakathleen8571 11 күн бұрын
What stands out for me is this incredible distain for the Catholic traditions by todays hierarchy and a preference to promote clergy with a sketchy conditions and to excommunicate the faithful Bishops dutiful to the layity in preaching the Catholic teaching. Humility would have had Pope France greatful for Viganos work and explaining to clear up any misgivings. We all must pray more rosaries for his humility and for ours and our charity to allow thise around us to flounder as we navigate these inverted end times. Discuss and seek to remain true and insturct the ignorant charitably
@Lisanah3
@Lisanah3 15 күн бұрын
Dear Fr. Jenkins I’m disappointed to hear you not addressing Bp. Sanborn as a Bishop. Whether you believe him to be a Bishop is of course up for debate , however that is how he is known. I think it shows disrespect which is a great shame as like you, he has been instrumental in bringing me, and I’m sure many others to the true Catholic faith. God bless.
@Henry-fd3et
@Henry-fd3et 15 күн бұрын
Funny how Fr Jenkins makes such a point of saying "Fr Sanborn" and "Fr Williamson" and admonishes Bishop Sanborn for referring to Vigano as Archbishop, yet a few minutes later Fr Jenkins himself starts referring to "Archbishop Vigano". He also regularly refers to "Francis" rather than Bergoglio, whom he doesn't recognise as the Pope. The use or misuse of titles, irrespective of their perceived validity, seems to be something Fr is weaponising to belittle and degrade other traditionalists rather than a consistently held position he applies across the board.
@LOOregano
@LOOregano 15 күн бұрын
Good points. As to the Thuc consecrations, I've not heard of a single argument that actually holds weight against. On the contrary, since the 'Thuc was insane' argument fell apart before the facts, their newer arguments would resonate well with Donatism. I. E. Men were sinful therefore the sacraments are invalid or somehow dirty. I would love to see SSPV and other people who realize we don't have a Pope to not be split over past disagreements that are not doctrinal.
@LOOregano
@LOOregano 15 күн бұрын
I agree cardinals aren't necessary. However, about imperfect council's, St Alphonsus specifically proved that a council without a Pope has power directly from God to elect a Pope, but NOT to define new dogma. That being said, it must, of course, be a council of Catholic bishops.
@glennso47
@glennso47 14 күн бұрын
@@LOOreganoThe only necessary cardinals are those that are the official birds of various states, Illinois for instance. 😊
@tinakathleen8571
@tinakathleen8571 11 күн бұрын
The consequences of sin is blindness to see truth. John chapter 1. Woe to the unrepentant and stubourn heretic.
@roisinpatriciagaffney4087
@roisinpatriciagaffney4087 14 күн бұрын
Thank you, Father Jenkins, and Thomas, for providing clarification on the topics discussed. Can I ask,is Father Jenkins of Irish descent? Seat of Wisdom, pray for us.
@AS-yz2iz
@AS-yz2iz 12 күн бұрын
Welsh, I think.
@Henry-fd3et
@Henry-fd3et 15 күн бұрын
What is the deal with referring to Bishop Williamson as FATHER Williamson? He was consecrated by the same bishop (Lefebvre) who ordained you, Fr Jenkins. Have doubts been raised about the 1988 consecrations that I am not aware of?
@susannaCdonovan23
@susannaCdonovan23 14 күн бұрын
I was told that Williamson did not receive orders for the Priesthood, because Deacons were being ordained before he came before Archbishop Lefebvre, and the Archbishop accidentally only did the Diaconate Orders on him. No one told him he was there for Priestly Ordination nor was it corrected.
@Henry-fd3et
@Henry-fd3et 14 күн бұрын
@@susannaCdonovan23 I will look into this theory, but if he was never actually ordained a priest then that wouldn't explain why Fr Jenkins is calling him Fr Williamson rather than Bishop Williamson. That would make him Deacon Williamson. So I assume Fr Jenkins has an issue with Williamson's episcopal consecration in 1988.
@E.C.2
@E.C.2 13 күн бұрын
@@Henry-fd3et +Dolan was Ordained during the same ceremony as +Williamson. +Kelly worked with +Dolan for yrs after the fact and had no problem w his Priestly Holy Orders until the Thuc line affair. If Fr Jenkins has problem with all of these different Priests/Bishops,why is he not trying to arrange cross Conditional Ordinations Consecrations?
@E.C.2
@E.C.2 13 күн бұрын
@@Henry-fd3et They used to say he was doubtful because +ABL used one hand during the essential Form,now the story has changed. This is insanity.
@roytheg2194
@roytheg2194 5 күн бұрын
Fr Jenkins definitely presumes valid orders for Bp Williamson. He only said that (imo) because he knew Williamson as a priest and had probably no contact with him as a Bishop. He mentioned that exact reason as why he referred to Fr Dolan (even though he ofc has doubts about his consecration, he said it was just out of default because that’s what he always knew him as)
@AlanThomas-hp3fn
@AlanThomas-hp3fn 15 күн бұрын
There were no cardinals to opoint popes in the early church. Some popes were appointed by emperors.
@glennso47
@glennso47 15 күн бұрын
There are no emperors that I know of today.
@AlanThomas-hp3fn
@AlanThomas-hp3fn 15 күн бұрын
@@glennso47 Some kings in name only. The point is that God can literally appoint a valid pope directly, as he did with Peter. Cardinal electors are a usefull human construct. Nonetheless, God is not limited to our predilections. For what little it's worth My thoughts is after the three of darkness Jesus will visibly decend from the east and publicly shine the divine light of the Holy Ghost over his chosen one to be the new Sheppard on earth. Pure speculation on my part could be someother method. I'm not worried about it God will restore the face of the earth the triumph of the emaculate heart Mary will happen, Russia will be converted all of the enemies of the church will be destroyed and an angelic Sheppard will reign. Christ will king of all nations and rule with a rod of iron.
@isaihisaih2024
@isaihisaih2024 13 күн бұрын
eventhough there are disagreement from the trads like bishop sanborn, fr jenkins, cmri.. they have the same catholic faith. Those NO false priest are nonsense... but AB Vigano is brave exposing bergolio and v2 ❤❤
@bat-fq6nl
@bat-fq6nl 13 күн бұрын
Our Lord is the Supreme Pontiff, He is alive with His body, the Catholic church is provided for when an earthly Pope dies and the chair is vacant, be it one second or many years, that's how I see it
@user-yp2oc2mv8m
@user-yp2oc2mv8m 14 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for this very informative and interesting discussion. It seems to me that Archbishop Vigano is a hero for challenging the present status quo. Basically the religion that Bergolio practices is not a Catholic religion. It’s like he is establishing a new religion.
@classavox
@classavox 14 күн бұрын
How can we help open more SSPV churches? Such as in Pittsburgh.
@WegdesGlaubens
@WegdesGlaubens 14 күн бұрын
46:18 : He said it again „Father Williamson“. So it’s deliberate. It’s silly to question the Lefebvre line especially in the case of Jenkins.
@Henry-fd3et
@Henry-fd3et 14 күн бұрын
It's ridiculous. The SSPV denies the Thuc consecrations, now they apparently deny the Lefebvre consecrations. Would they have us believe that the only validly consecrated bishops in the world are those of the Mendez -> Kelly line and a handful of elderly Novus Ordo bishops? The SSPV shouldn't be throwing stones when the consecration of Bishop Kelly by Bishop Mendez was far more murky and questionable than the Thuc or Lefebvre consecrations.
@AS-yz2iz
@AS-yz2iz 12 күн бұрын
​@@Henry-fd3etYou are aware of the one handed consecration of Williamson?
@marynadononeill
@marynadononeill 15 күн бұрын
Get Father a cough drop, hot drink or drink of water.
@lyndapisano6373
@lyndapisano6373 12 күн бұрын
I love the sspx and all they have been able to save as far as tradition goes, I'm saddened and ashamed at them for throwing archbishop Vigano under the bus! He is in my opinion, the greatest catholic in our lifetime excluding archbishop Fulton Sheen! Who would most probably, be saying the same thing as archbishop Vigano! May God please help your church on earth!
@tinakathleen8571
@tinakathleen8571 11 күн бұрын
I suspect they are simply trying to distance themesleves from any scandal because they are seeking papal permission to issue more Bishops as their 3 are very old now and so seems in the same position that led to Lefebvre making the executive decision to do what he did because the Church was clearly in crisis and required Biahops to continue the lineage . The next 10years will see the SSPX have to make some tough decisions once again if the current Latin Mass banning leadership refuses to allow them to install new Bishops. No wonder our lady said in our times to receive the sacrament of confirmation will be difficult. Without Bishops it will be difficult
@PalermoTrapani
@PalermoTrapani 9 күн бұрын
You sure u want to commend Bishop Sheen on this channel as he in the 1950's wanted a detente with Orthodox and Protestants and commended Protestants for their number of commentaries on Scripture that were written for the average lay person. Of course, the Vatican II document Dei Verbum, my favorite has resulted in an increase in Biblical catechesis for those Catholics who attend Mass weekly (as I do). I will also point that Bishop Sheen was in communion with Pope Paul VI, Pope John Paul I (for only 33 days) and Pope John Paul II the last 14 months of his life.
@lyndapisano6373
@lyndapisano6373 9 күн бұрын
@PalermoTrapani I understand, but just as we see that pope Benedict changed his view in later years I believe that archbishop Sheen would be calling out Bergoglio also! Less we forget, archbishop Carlo Marie vigano was in communion with the church in the early days of Vatican 2 also! Good men, no matter where they are let's say today, they always see the truth in God's time! Like me!
@PalermoTrapani
@PalermoTrapani 9 күн бұрын
@@lyndapisano6373 Yes I understand Abp. Vigano was as well. But Bishop Sheen never did what Vigano did. There are indeed legitimate ways to challenge and question say Vatican II documents are any Papal encyclical but one should do it in a fashion that does not result in Schism. I am aware this is an SSPV channel, who broke from the SSPX. Vatican II did not contain any Supreme Acts of the Magesterium that is 100% true, but the texts would fall under some aspect of ordinary magisterium although some of those would be more authoritative, thus while requiring assent of the mind and will, are not binding. Thus one could ? some of the text, if done charitably and thus rather than not be in communion with the Entire Church, work to clarify some of the texts, etc. I am a Catholic that you guys call Post Conciliar Catholic. But there is no Dogma or Doctrine that you hold that I do not hold. I think the Church should allow for the celebration of the Roman Liturgy in the Pre-conciliar Form but using it as a wedge against other Liturgies that the Church allows (there are others besides the Liturgy based on Pope Pius V in the Latin Church such as Ambrosian, Mozarabic, Bregan, and the Rites of the Carthusians, Benedictines, Norbetines and Dominicans). There is also the Anglican Ordinariate Liturgy which is Liturgy using very poetic English from the Anglican Liturgy and is a hybrid of both the Pre-Conciliar and Post Conciliar Roman Rite. My understanding is that Pope Benedict gave them permission to restore the Sarum Rite but they declined. So my prayer is for restoration of all Catholics back into one fold. Cheers and God Bless
@lyndapisano6373
@lyndapisano6373 9 күн бұрын
@PalermoTrapani I agree. I think that all of us get caught up in the legalism of certain aspects of our faith. To me, I really do believe that the church because of Vatican 2 has been almost 100% watered down to the point that it is exactly what the modernist intended it to be. A church for whatever! A church for cafeteria buffets! But like Christ, condemning the saducees for their rigid laws and missing the beauty of the law we ourselves do the same thing! For the most part if the church would have stayed in the pre 55 Missal or 45 (fr. Lasance) none of this would be going on! Stay true to the faith of our fathers and things that are irrelevant to our salvation can be discussed but never to separate us as true catholics! I know nobody but Christ himself has been perfect throughout the history of the church. We all live in an imperfect world with imperfect minds. Stick to charity and God's love and we will endure to the end. But I can certainly say, the novus ordo will not get us there!
@edw.4958
@edw.4958 15 күн бұрын
Does anyone know where I can find the Ave Maria sung at the beginning of the video?
@WCBFullEpisodes
@WCBFullEpisodes 15 күн бұрын
Hello! I'm not sure about the particular recording in our intro, but the Ave Maria composed by Tomás Luis da Victoria seems to be the one we've used all these years. Absolutely beautiful! kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKKofqWZZr2LibM Here's another version: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nomsdKF-rZWGnsU
@edw.4958
@edw.4958 15 күн бұрын
@@WCBFullEpisodes Thanks so much!
@glennso47
@glennso47 15 күн бұрын
@@WCBFullEpisodes The version of Ave Maria that I am used to was written by Schubert .
@Niklaus777
@Niklaus777 15 күн бұрын
Father Williamson? Not validly consacrated for the SSPV anymore?
@berniekanowsky4759
@berniekanowsky4759 15 күн бұрын
Honest question, Sr. Wilhelmina foundress of the Benedictines of Mary Queen of the Apostles who got permission to start her order using the TLM 1962 missal because she/they found it difficult to pray during a Novis Ordo mass has now been found to be incorrupt. To me this is a sign the masses said by FFSP priests are licit and valid.🤷‍♂️🙏🙏🙏
@ozuamark8318
@ozuamark8318 15 күн бұрын
Sr willhelma was part of the Vatican 2 church, even if she was conservative the fact that she is incorrupt does not mean that such sign is from God. The devil has power that can deçeive even the elect.
@sweetcaroline2060
@sweetcaroline2060 14 күн бұрын
​@@ozuamark8318 Yes. I took that Sr. Wilhilmina stuff with a grain of salt. Same with that tech kid they're trying to promote. Whatever......
@moniqueraymond1959
@moniqueraymond1959 14 күн бұрын
I have 2 questions for Fr. Jenkins. Are you intending to call BP. Williamson Fr. Williamson, or was it a mistake. Did you say Archbishop Vigano IS calling for an imperfect council? I have replayed it several times, and I am not sure what you are actually saying.
@zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx
@zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx 15 күн бұрын
I wasn't aware SSPV doubts the validity of the Lefebvre line. That seems pretty out there; can you explain why? I don't understand why you would consider Archbishop Lefebvre a saint if he was doubtfully consecrating bishops in such a high-profile manner.
@Henry-fd3et
@Henry-fd3et 14 күн бұрын
Very strange given both Fr Jenkins and the late Bishop Kelly were ordained by +Lefebvre.
@tinakathleen8571
@tinakathleen8571 11 күн бұрын
When you investigate Lefebvre story then you understand he was a faithful Bishop that waited for authorisation that wasn't ever ti come from the modernist counter church and due to his progressive bowel cancer prognosis he was just and right to do what he did because it was a church crisis to continue the Traditional Catholic practises by ordaining those 4 Bishops all of whom are elderly now and so the society seems to once again be in this awkward situation. They are waiting paiently for authorisation from the Pope and prefer this but can anyone seriously see a Pope who has banned the TLM as far as he can, really even going to allow the SSPX to ordain more Bishops? 🤔
@leaverus
@leaverus 15 күн бұрын
Equality is the great promise of feminism. Feminism values what is fair over what is just.
@glennso47
@glennso47 15 күн бұрын
Equality is a term used in accounting. Equality of debits and credits for example.
@WegdesGlaubens
@WegdesGlaubens 14 күн бұрын
37:14 : Father Jenkins is also inconsistent (not Bishop Sanborn!). Obviously he accepts the Lefebvre line and at the same time calls Bishop Williamson „Father Williamson“.
@AS-yz2iz
@AS-yz2iz 12 күн бұрын
Because of the one handed consecration.
@MichaelHellmann-jy9ob
@MichaelHellmann-jy9ob 5 күн бұрын
@@AS-yz2iz Where is the proof he was ordained with one hand?
@dasan9178
@dasan9178 13 күн бұрын
In their hypocritical application of the Law, whether they knew it or not, the Pharisees acknowledged Jesus was working miracles of healing (physical healing, exorcism and resurrecting the dead) even as they persisted in denying Him as the Christ.
@TheCatholicQuilter
@TheCatholicQuilter 10 күн бұрын
Where are you getting the questions from? Is there an email? I have a question that I need an answer to, I’ve called the parish in Parma, and I’ve called the sisters and I haven’t been able to talk to a priest yet.
@WCBFullEpisodes
@WCBFullEpisodes 9 күн бұрын
Hello! You can send in a question here on our website: www.wcbohio.com/contact
@Niklaus777
@Niklaus777 2 күн бұрын
​@@WCBFullEpisodesExplain the "father calling" when refering to Williamson, if you have any consideration to Catholic moral principles and common sense.
@bennieboi99
@bennieboi99 13 күн бұрын
51:38 what an insane statement lol
@user-yp2oc2mv8m
@user-yp2oc2mv8m 14 күн бұрын
The Bishops need to stop acting like cowards. At least have a discussion.
@WegdesGlaubens
@WegdesGlaubens 14 күн бұрын
35:27 : Father Sanborn and Archbishop Vigano. Jenkins has a deeply confused mind.🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
@mariekatherine5238
@mariekatherine5238 15 күн бұрын
First?
@TheJayJaydog
@TheJayJaydog 15 күн бұрын
Consecrated by JP2? It would have been torture to me, especially after his theology on prayer and the spirit of Assisi coming out! I would definetly have been consecrated by someone who I was sure had the Faith and in the pre 1968 rite! ASAP!!!! To me JP2 was the worst of them all, because he was liked by the world, was charismatic and broke the first commandment because of this. He opened the door to this scandalous act, once a pope gives his ok to that, the world loses the Faith. I recoil thinking about everything he did against the good of souls. This is hatred in its pure form. And he is a saint??? Have we gone all mad to accept this? This is a new religion, a new liturgy and I hate it because it offends my Lord.
@glennso47
@glennso47 15 күн бұрын
The new religion just recently canonized a millennial who died a few years ago and has named him the patron saint of the Internet. He was a 16 year old boy who died of some kind of cancer I think.
@glennso47
@glennso47 14 күн бұрын
Maybe the people associated with JP2 are constipated rather than consecrated.
@Niklaus777
@Niklaus777 15 күн бұрын
You don't have to criticized the CMRI and Sanborn in everything, It is pathetic sometimes. The "father-calling" seems also an arbitrary thing if we compare the Mendez' consacration with the Thuc consacrations.
@anselman3156
@anselman3156 15 күн бұрын
Bishop Pivarunas is a good faithful man, and it is only CMRI who provide the Mass in my region.
@teutonicarcher5652
@teutonicarcher5652 15 күн бұрын
Grammar isn’t your strong suit is it?
@DT-cz2sl
@DT-cz2sl 15 күн бұрын
​@@teutonicarcher5652And charity isn't yours?
@E.C.2
@E.C.2 14 күн бұрын
Thuc line is valid.
@Niklaus777
@Niklaus777 14 күн бұрын
@@E.C.2 I think so too.
@superapex2128
@superapex2128 15 күн бұрын
Vigano basically jumped the gun by calling Francis an 'anti-pope': he should have gone to the Vatican and retracted his statement. As frustrating as the situation may be, there are proper chanels and we need to use them... I think your position is the wisest: we can QUESTION whether the See of Peter is vacant - but we can't affirm it.
@TheJayJaydog
@TheJayJaydog 15 күн бұрын
We can affirm it, you can affirm the obvious, or less you go crazy. But we dont have a solution nor the power to remove him. Like father Jenkins said and Viganò himself: only God has the solution and we have to wait for him to act!!! Yes let’s pray for that!!!!!
@marynadononeill
@marynadononeill 15 күн бұрын
I agree. He has been very influenced by internet powerhouses who are NOT the church. We need to stay IN the Church and keep fighting and praying for traditional orthodoxy. The Church has suffered many problems in the past but came through not on its own but by the Grace of God and Jesus' promise. Abandoning the Church is schismatic.
@superapex2128
@superapex2128 15 күн бұрын
@@TheJayJaydog We can't affirm it because only God knows whether Bergoglio is a FORMAL heretic...
@WegdesGlaubens
@WegdesGlaubens 14 күн бұрын
@@superapex2128 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ No!!!
@Hope_Boat
@Hope_Boat 15 күн бұрын
Orthodox here. Your main issue is that you believe that the "Roman Pontiff" (not the pope and I will explain the difference) is the guarantor of the orthodoxy of the faith and the unity of the Church. Reality has demonstrated that Roman Pontiffs through history had taught opposite things. The most recent examples are the post-vatican 2 doctrines concerning (pseudo) ecumenism and the relation between Rome and non Roman Catholics. I don't need to explain it in detail but basically Innocent IV wanted their extirpation even by carbonisation and John-Paul II called the orthodox Church 'the other lung of the Church' and kissed the Qur'an. Francis did some strange things with the Pashamama and the alphabet movement. So now you are facing a dilemma : either you follow you beloved Roman Pontiff to obvious apostasy or you reject the apostasy and fall into what you consider schism. We orthodox has a third way to offer once you're tired with your cognitive dissonance: the Roman Pontiff is not a guarantor of orthodoxy and not following him in heresy does not make you a schismatic. Reclaim orthodoxy Kyrie eleison ☦️
@Hope_Boat
@Hope_Boat 15 күн бұрын
The title of Roman Pontiff is not part of the deposit of the faith. In fact during the times of the Apostles the guy holding the title was the Roman emperor and he was persecuting the Christians. Your entire dogmatic corpus is founded on that title. Read Dictatus Papae (1075) or Unam Sanctam (1302). The universality of the Roman Church is founded on the Roman Pontiff title. _That the Roman pontiff alone is called universal by right._ (Dictatus Papae) What is that right? It's explicitly proclaimed in the following article: _That he alone can use the imperial insignia._ As Leo IX wrote to Patriarch Michel of Constantinople before the schism the Roman Pontiff has universal juridiction over the entire Church because of the Donation of Constantine. What is that? You ask. It's an imperial decree by which Constantine the Great allegedly transferred the imperial Insignia of the Roman empire to the papacy. There was a problem though. By the end of the middle ages, it was demonstrated that the donation of Constantine was a forgery. Did Rome cancel the proclamations of Dictatus Papae? Of course not. They just changed the narrative Now the universality of the Roman Pontiff is based on the proclamation that Peter is a rock. Don't talk about Leo IX who provoked the schism. Shhhhhh!
@norbertx9415
@norbertx9415 15 күн бұрын
​@Hope_Boat In addition to the Donation of Constantine, there were the Pseudo Isidorian decretals and Symachian forgeries which pre Vatican II Rome admitted were forgeries. This is a major problem. The Gregorian decretals and ultimately Vatican I itself relied upon these false documents. .
@DjGrip11
@DjGrip11 15 күн бұрын
As a former Byzantine Catholic I am familiar with the Orthodox. Can you explain why the Orthodox allow divorce and remarriage up to three times?
@norbertx9415
@norbertx9415 15 күн бұрын
@@DjGrip11 Probably a similar reason as to why the Vatican hands out annulments like party favors.
@Hope_Boat
@Hope_Boat 14 күн бұрын
@@DjGrip11 I can : _I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery._ Matthew 19:9 See the part following the word "except"? That's why. Now if you need the theology behind the fact, I will borrow words from saint John Chrysostome, since I am a nobody. He explained that the duty of the Church was to save to soul of the innocent spouse when the other spouse was in a permanent and unrepentant state if adultery despite multiple injunctions from the Church. There are also rules concerning people married with non Christians or apostate ex-christians. Now can YOU explain why the Roman Catholic Church does not allow what the Apostles and the holy fathers allowed?
@rskimmet
@rskimmet 15 күн бұрын
Father needs to shorten answers and lower education level in the answer. Richard Simi Valley
@sunnyday7843
@sunnyday7843 15 күн бұрын
I love how Fr talks on topics :))
@AlanThomas-hp3fn
@AlanThomas-hp3fn 15 күн бұрын
I disagree with your assessment. The faith has been dumbed down too imbacility. The undereducated needs to get a dictionary and up their game.
@martaacosta4415
@martaacosta4415 15 күн бұрын
Alan Thomas. You’re quite right. There has been enough dumbing down. That’s why education in America is in the pitiful state it’s in. In church matters, we should consider it a duty to educate ourselves in knowing terms and vocabulary, in Church history, and much more, and not be lazy about this.
@deborahsimpson2732
@deborahsimpson2732 15 күн бұрын
@@martaacosta4415 Yes, dumbing down the populace is how our country got into the mess we are in now. And it is one of the steps toward communism.
@AlanThomas-hp3fn
@AlanThomas-hp3fn 15 күн бұрын
@martaacosta4415 retired out of the public education system. It's worse than a sad state of affairs. Destruction was planned by the communists. The demons are laughing. American education system is an insult to human dignity. Poor children!! Home school if you can. The same applies to the faith. Homeschool yourself, GOD BLESS!
@John_Six
@John_Six 15 күн бұрын
I'm tired of being recommended schismatic channels.
@kevinphillips150
@kevinphillips150 15 күн бұрын
Ignore them.
@DjGrip11
@DjGrip11 15 күн бұрын
Why do you refer to this as a schismatic channel?
@classavox
@classavox 14 күн бұрын
Yeah, i know the NO channels aren't Catholic
@John_Six
@John_Six 14 күн бұрын
@@classavox Okay, schismatic.
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