Episode 120 - Gravel Beef, World Champs, and Tire Talk w Tyler Pearce aka VC Adventures

[@JustSnowglow]

Dizzle, after making a terrible first impression, goes on to make an even worse second impression 😂

[@_gregvalencia]

100% hahaha

[@kawabus]

True story 😬

[@williamsylvia3962]

OMG 💯 I am dying listening to this!!! 😂😂😂

[@_gregvalencia]

@@JustSnowglow I’m honestly impressed at how Tyler handled the whole conversation with a smile

[@Wds__99]

Facts. He doubled down. VC got a little preachy tho.

[@GB-ii4yu]

It’s amazing how much more interesting and engaging the discussion was in this episode. After the beef was settled this was easy the best episode of bonk bros. VC brought some order, intelligence and thought provoking questions compared to the typical BS’n and talking over each other about nothing. Take notes on this episode boys, this is how it should be done every time!

[@jameseastwood402]

you've convinced me to give it a listen. Normally I can't cope with the mess and talking over eachother.

[@ninasmtblife]

2nd this!!

[@swimmc7]

Thanks VC for raising the game of the Bonk Bros podcast. I think Dizzle needs a “time-out” for an episode or two to take some online interpersonal communications classes.

[@lisashiela9137]

And invite Dylan's backward hat brother on to the podcast.

[@johnpeachell1644]

There's a reason VC has 265,000 more subscribers...

[@matthewelkins5124]

Petition to replace drew with VC permanently for the pod

[@infovidasupps8640]

100% agree

[@Iifecycle]

Agreed, he’s too negative and insincere

[@h20s8804]

VC stock ⬆️ Dizzle stock ⬇️

[@peterm.7497]

Didn't VC eat a bag of dicks for not checking his email?

[@miche_amico]

Dillman doesn’t understand that if you have to repeatedly explain that something is funny or ironic than it wasn’t funny or ironic.

[@Jpearse1]

“I was being funny” no you weren’t bro 😂

[@Stalkerfiveo]

Honestly, if they had a prior friendship, there would have been more context and probably would have been funny. But yeah, sarcastic humor doesn't work as well with complete strangers. 😂

[@drdumbo9124]

While I agree you shouldn't just be sarcastic out the gate..... I do have to say VC is either dense or trying not to admit any fault at all. I think a rock could have picked up Dizzle was joking, but he's in so deep calling him out on video, lying about offering money at the race, not checking his email, etc. That he just stuck to it. I think VC just looks like a stubborn man who's a little full of himself and I'm not even the biggest Dizzle fan. At least Dizzle is having fun in life out here.

[@Kevinschart]

​@@drdumbo9124he literally said he would eat a bag of D's. Did you watch the video and hear VC say that or are you just choosing to ignore it? 🧐 Dizzle is the one that created all the confusion with his unfunny funnies, and poor "whatever bro" communication style

[@paulcigan7164]

​@@Kevinschartit is absolutely funny. It's a bike race with people riding bikes. Smiling and doing a money expression with one's thumbs is absolutely funny and context appropriate. This wasn't a business meeting. If you ride bikes and become familiar with the setting and mood of these events, this was obviously context appropriate where the default is festive, easy going, and shared comraderie without the overbearing attitude that VC woefully displayed on the pod.

[@csparksnc1]

VC should rotate through as a regular guest - great stuff

[@maxraaijmakers7830]

He's way out of their league..

[@reecestoker3049]

Super hard watch, good guy VC communicating with a 12 year old

[@TexasRedbud817]

only 27 minutes into the video and i gotta give props to VC for his patience with dillman. can someone please tell him to wait until someone is done talking to speak. not sure how many interesting conversations weve missed cause someone starts to talk and then gets interrupted by his ramblings and they just stop talking.

[@ianjwhitmore]

VC is pure class and funny as hell.

[@flexmtb]

This Dizzle guy, is one strange individual.

[@Wds__99]

I get the feeling if Drew and VC did an impossible route, their beef would be even bigger after.

[@vexed25]

You could tell VC had no real interest in that 😂

[@yungchimpu1436]

Could you imagine being around Dillman for that long? BARF...

[@JasonKnightxenofish]

​@@yungchimpu1436100%, hard pass.

[@АнтонАлексеенко_044]

The route could get impossible for real

[@Kevinschart]

I couldn't even stomach Dylan in this video. Imagine actually trying to get business done with that guy

[@richb8709]

Dizzle’s cringey social skills and lack of self-awareness is world class. Kudos sir!

[@mambomambo5]

Yes Latern Rouge at least 2 years ago he was like a race consultant for visma!!!!

[@djcald]

Yep, he was on a podcast talking about that. Nero show I think...

[@redkeyspoke]

He's more than a consultant now. I think next season he has a pretty legit title, too.

[@HinduReal]

I think he's properly employed by Visa since this season

[@KerenWang]

Latern Rouge is LITERALLY in this years Visma Lease A Bike Tour de France doc on altitude camp.

[@whatsuphonkycat]

He has a team bike! Lol these guys

[@NitrogenBullet]

Drew joins our Saturday fast rides. One time he took the front upping the pace massively, he then proceeded to shout, ‘Those who repent will be forgiven’, brake-check his second man, causing an overlap of wheels, taking multiple riders out, and stopping the group ride. He was then seen sprinting off into the distance. I don't know why we keep inviting him.

[@erikmiller7166]

Drew is like a ten year old. Logic defies him.

[@matthewcontreras7611]

Drew getting roasted like a rotisserie by VC 😂

[@eto2352]

Vegan but makes a great roast

[@augustgames6502]

good one 😂​@@eto2352

[@mikerogers9506]

Drew still does not get it

[@johnbain7191]

Drew being devastatingly douchey.

[@Whim396]

It was "funny" at first, and now its his whole personality - he cant turn it off. Its like the boy who cried wolf.

[@super8hell]

Dillman dude is an absolute D.I.C.K. with homeschooled-kid-not-able-to-read-the-room bravado.

[@PatrickLino]

Dizzle constantly cutting off VC like a scorned ex-GF baby mamma is wild LoL

[@kubackjeee]

it's actually pretty amazing that Dizzle got this far in life with a "life skillset" of a handicaped 5yo. I would say just a fact he is not living with his parents is already a big success. Anything above that just WOW - only in america

[@Jennifer-w6g]

Or a fox news host 😎

[@BigTscycling]

Dylan lol, most high-school girl conversation ever. Nailed it bro

[@josha5528]

All jokes aside, listening to Drew attempt to have a conversation with an actual adult was extremely uncomfortable. Drew is insanely self absorbed while having absolutely no self awareness. The wost part is he has people honestly pointing out massive character and social flaws and his reaction is that he doesn't care. The whole thing is just sad. I hope he gets the help he needs.

[@samwertheimer4848]

Make VC a regular guest.

[@whatsuphonkycat]

Lol they wish 😂

[@LoganGauthier8]

I once watched one of Drew's videos only halfway through instead of finishing it and he somehow got my phone number and texted me telling me that he was going to come to my local gravel race and destroy me and that he had also sent my number to a bunch of spam call centers.

[@peterj.6224]

Tyler should be a regular guest on the podcast.

[@timfarhaven9647]

VC & Bonk Bros was the crossover I didn't think I wanted, but I did. Loved every second of it.

[@BenZCardiff]

Drew, this was tough to watch. Unfollow.

[@Txiiqo]

Yes LR works for Visma and he prob doesnt get demonetized because he pays for the races highlights rights

[@vladimir5258]

I’m only at minute 15, but so far it’s the best episode ever.

[@csparksnc1]

FAX

[@nazibeing]

Only heard about this podcast because of the VC adventures! VC brought me here!

[@snkon8183]

Same here, had never heard of them until VC gave Dizzle a shout out 😂

[@ross88mac]

Yer and I won't be returning.

[@Whim396]

Dillman, when the irony's lost and the humor’s forced, it’s time to let the mic breathe a little.

[@The_Normalised_Cyclist]

How Drew is even married and have sponsors is beyond my comprehension, dude is too much. The real reason I don’t listen anymore to the bonk bros or the matchbox podcast. How can you take such a person seriously. VC staying on the pod with all the interruptions and bs is a master of patience

[@aaronhamlen8215]

VC saved this episode, bring him back. Get rid of Drew.

[@erikmiller7166]

VC being on board has made this the first episode I’ve listened to all the way thru.

[@kevinmcknight9859]

Listening to grown men bicker for an hour about who liked who’s photo who followed who and who DM’d who is peak gravel

[@pex3]

The spirit of gravel is alive

[@RestartVandelay]

Tyler was great. I love the printed messages.

[@peterm.7497]

Wait Vegan, you undersell yourself, you own a cycling clothing business and sponsor other cyclists. Just saw Dave Domonoske wearing your kit on Norcal Cycling. Also, you should name drop the pro's you ride with.

[@kristinrc]

While also hosting and putting on free rides for the community in multiple cities, food and riding for free. He gives back so much to people and the cycling community and is always under selling what he has done. That’s what makes him different then most who do things only to talk about it or talk and don’t actuality do.

[@nickwilliams5163]

His underselling himself just makes his points hit that much harder in this case!

[@RoadHardened]

How is Dizzle married...?

[@filipe.portes]

I was genuinely trying to give a chance to Dizzle, but he makes it very difficult 😂 If you come across to others as a duche and then gaslight them as you were ironic and playing instead of making things right... That's just being a duche

[@BendySendy]

dillman thought dust bowl was live but it turns out he accidentally somehow raced the race from 3 years ago

[@jamegumm]

Dude Bro vs Joel Osteen

[@BendySendy]

an immovable autist meets an unstoppable autistic force

[@eto2352]

💀

[@martingesser3846]

I agree with Tyler, for a grown up man Dizzl has to explain his behaviour way too often. And I feel sorry for him cause he needlessly missed a great chance to boost his YT Channel. If he had sent the footage in time Tyler would have given him a great shout-out in his video.

[@emannpro11]

He sent it well before VC did his video.. Tyler just didn’t see it in his inbox and that’s on him for missing that footage.

[@martingesser3846]

​@@emannpro11 That's why Tyler has to eat d***. But I guess that they could have worked it out easily if only Dizzl had reacted a little more grown up and professional. I'm a huge fan of his and that's why I'm sorry for the missed chance to promote him. His "irony" that he he must explain regularly costs him in the end, I reckon.

[@Kevinschart]

​@@emannpro11he didn't see it because dilllan failed to communicate that it was on the way. Equal blame on that one

[@emannpro11]

@@Kevinschart That’s weird because I’ve just emailed stuff to people before without sending them a confirmation text that I sent it and they look through their inbox and find it. VC should be checking through there anyway if he is all about his business opportunities.

[@filipe.portes]

Totally, I've started watching Dylan channel after a shout-out from VC videos

[@ImIslandBoy]

god DAYYYYYMMMMM dillman is cringe....i dunno he came around at the end but at the end of the day, VC is a mad dog

[@fetawrap1044]

I'm only 20 minutes in, but watching DJ and Adam holding back the laughs has me rolling.

[@the_fast_life]

Im only watching this because I saw VC in the thumbnail. I cannot believe the douchery of dizzle lol I would hate hanging out with this guy

[@the_fast_life]

nevermind, I watched more and I think he may just be mildly retarded

[@yungchimpu1436]

@@the_fast_life just mildly?

[@Cxpan7]

Fire boy (dillman) sounds smarter when he doesn't talk.

[@MadChopz]

Douchie Dizzle makes another appearance on today's Bonk Bros episode. 🤦‍♂️

[@mtbrnn]

Drew, shut up. Let the guest talk. VC constantly pauses when you blabber continuously. ZOOM class 101

[@SethNeal]

Lets be honest, VC gave this "podcast" way more views than they deserve. I do seek out Dylan for some nerdy content from time to time, but yikes. These dorks have no idea what this is all about. Tyler, props to you for throwing them a bone.

[@goldenretriever6261]

I'm only watching because of VC.

[@Wds__99]

All of the bonk bros are way faster than VC. VC is just a midpack guy with a GoPro.

[@sacer1852]

"These dorks have no idea what this is all about" from someone who doesn't look like he has ever raced a bike in his life, and has 3 subscribers. Good one, "Seth." Have fun explaining to your 3 followers what "this" is really all about

[@SethNeal]

@@Wds__99 no doubt; I don't think anyone is questioning that. What I am questioning is why any of those guys actually matter! Because SURPRISE we are on YT homie. If you can't tell a story, time to put the off brand GoPro away... and lets be honest here, these guys can't even tell a joke!

[@SethNeal]

@@sacer1852 sorry you got triggered here. To clarify, I've definitely never said I've raced a bike. Or that I'm a content creator. Pretty weird comment.

[@igorpiasecki7909]

Lantern's videos are not getting demonetized, because he has rights for materials he uses ever since the beginning of 2021, in fact when you go on his channel homepage the video that pops up is him explaining it, I think he has a cap of 5min or so of video material per race he can use, that's why even the best race ever like Col du Granon 2022 TDF is still sub 10min video and also why some races he cannot show, so he does not have rights to italian races like Giro, MSR etc. although he made some deal for historical footage some time ago, but what he is doing is fully legal, he is after all an ex-lawyer so he should be demonetized. The podcast however was there before that, he and Benji started in 2020 just before TDF, so despite the highlight video channel being more popular, it was not first. The Visma job started I think end of 21/start of 22 season, initially Benji also was in it, after a year Patrick stayed, Benji left (although he worked also for Lotto Dstny, not sure if its a thing anymore, or was it just temporary or anything) but coming back to Patrick he recently got promoted/got much more publicly acknowledged as part of the team after some changes in the team structures. So to summarize - Patrick's got the rights to the videos, he should not be demonetized for them, got them legally and its not because of being a Visma employee, quite the opposite actually, he's more a Visma employee because of the recognition he got from making these videos (but probably mostly because he's such a damn hard working guy)

[@andrewhunter9398]

How do you tolerate that 'Dizzle'? Get rid

[@GSmith215]

Would make this podcast blossom if Dizzle was off

[@danielrussell9416]

Replace Drizzle with VC and they would have a much better podcast.

[@kenhunt]

Dizzledouche by an hour, for sure.

[@randyonbass1]

Everything that Drew says is hilarious... Isn't. The first key to comedy is to know your audience. And since Drew didn't know Tyler he's going out on a limb to assume he would pick up on his sense of humor. While watching this podcast he honestly just comes off as a condescending jerk with really lame social skills..... Just sayin'...

[@alexpurcell238]

VC absolute legend, Dizzle not coming off great 🤦‍♂️

[@craigmcallahan]

I'm buying a second pair of Tifosi VC pink and blue sunglasses after watching this.

[@jesserandall1819]

yo, how can adam say he had never heard of vegan cyclist before this? has he been living under a rock? youtubers / influencers such as adam should be familiar with others in the same field, especially vc who has done all of the impossible route videos which have hundreds of thousands of youtube views each (some might be above a million by now).

[@roxygonzales6080]

Agree fully. His amazing IR footage is the BEST QUALITY

[@lindamnguni]

That was a straight out lie

[@yungchimpu1436]

I love that on previous episodes the bros have talked about how 90% of people love Dillman but 10% hate him.... but these comments are proof that 90% of listeners hate him lolol

[@Nickregier]

After watching this epi VC still the OG and Dizzle is now Dillhole.

[@enum01]

Drew saying “this is funny” 5 times 😂

[@ZenEndurance]

Drew’s kit is the Cybertruck of bike clothing - looks like it was designed by a 6 year-old

[@kennethward9530]

Notes for Dylan on tire pressures from an "old guy" who actually wrote stuff down. 1988 race set up: Columbus SL frame, 58 cm, Mavic GL330 rims, Vittoria CG tubulars, ~21 mm width. Most in the Midwest ran the plumper Vittoria or Clement sew ups because our roads suck. I had , per the fashion, just swapped my 38 cm Sakae bars for a set of 42 cm Del Mundo bars, because of Hinault. Total weight bike and rider 202 pounds. 120 psi dry/100 for wet roads. I was running 100 psi dry, but after flat/rim damage on pothole at Millender center criterium (downtown Detroit) upped the pressure. Saw first carbon frame at that race in 88 or 89, Michael Secrest riding his Kestrel. By the way, Secrest had bright red bibs, so Dizzle wasn't the first. My buddy Craig ran the Conti 19mm sew ups, he dropped from 170 to 150 psi after they ruptured in a hot car.

[@ASGundogs]

Amazing episode- the best VC content I’ve seen him do in ages and hilarious for all the right reasons. Well done 😂👍🏻

[@Tim_McMurray]

This is the best beef ever, beef roasted. Dizzle roasted by VC. Love this!

[@adampburke1]

Ever had a friend that needs an lesson, but is too prideful, self-centered, or worst- oblivious of social norms to accept it? Here's a tutorial, if not. personality- point to VC ability to hear alternate perspectives- point to VC eloquence in conflict- 4 points to VC using interruption as a tactic to squelch others- point to DD

[@chadschauffler7636]

This feels like the uncomfortable razing at the turkey day table that turns into a full on fight because everyone has been drinking

[@I-Wumbo-x3b]

I think Drew should send a flame skinsuit to Tyler for their next race

[@eto2352]

22:00 This is like watching parents fight at the dinner table and little Dylan and Adam dying of cringe. Holy shit that was tough to watch. VC handled it.

[@zkipa]

please get dylan and drew to do an impossible route with vc

[@adunnthing]

I usually listen to this but decided to watch it this time. You guys are funny as hell, and respect to VC for coming on.

[@Loconoloquisimo]

Drew playing dum

[@АнтонАлексеенко_044]

Is he playing though?

[@DSWisc]

VC and Dizzle, Cape Epic 2025. Daily videos. Give the people what we want.

[@nssomething8370]

Let's be 100% real here. How many American gravel "Pros" that could actually be competitive against the WT riders at the UCI Gravel Worlds also pass UCI drug testing?

[@juliansimpson-kirsch9629]

never been so excited for a podcast drop

[@Calebyte]

Fun episode, would love to see VC as a recurring guest. I really like his suggestion to make the Rock Cobbler a Bonk Bros meetup.

[@brandoncox7672]

First time watching the show. I am individually a fan of both DJ and VC, having watched their content for years, but man, this here was a tough watch. The other two guys are just so unwatchable. Drew just does not have the charisma he might think he has, instead coming off quite rude and egotistical, and the other guy, Adam isn't far behind. Taking a phone call during the show 25ish minutes in? How is that professional in any way? It felt like Tyler was the only one with any modicum of respect and dignity and every time he engaged with the hosts, it felt like when I try and talk with a high school kid. Idk, maybe I am just not the target audience and I don't pass the vibe check of this show but this did not inspire confidence in a first time viewer to continue watching the show.

[@TyTy22_]

You get a pass for it being your first episode, but they do each show with the intent of not taking things very serious (hence stopping to take a call. Maybe it was important?). Adam is typically a moderator trying to get some form of cohesion out of the conversations when Drew interrupts everyone

[@ShawnIsBatman]

It is absolutely incredible that Drew has any sponsors at all. Maybe after this he won't.

[@massimocaradonna3857]

LR is on vismas payroll u are correct infact this year he took on an even bigger roll

[@rexthedog9637]

I'm a VC fan and have enjoyed his daily vlog series as well as the Impossible routes with JB. Worth queuing them up for time on the trainer.

[@paulcigan7164]

VC used a text book gaslight technique on Dillman at 40:13 - 40:50. VC tells Dillman that Dillman was trying to make himself sound better by not disclosing on social that he had sent the footage LATE. All the while, VC presses this point while knowing that VC himself told people the footage was not sent AT ALL. VC then appropriately gets called out on that very point of discrepancy by Dillman. After this overbearing performance, VC needs some serious self-reflection and to check the ego, which was out of control.

[@Heliosmaster]

Please have VC regularly, great dynamics

[@johnnydarko8031]

VC is a class act.

[@justincapek1132]

VC literally printed a text thread screenshot in an attempt for social justification, as Drew was sociopathically unphased by literally everything, while the conversation digressed into individual flexes on gravel fashion, concluded by civil, completely subjective discussion on tire width and casing... Excellent content. Felt like I was watching the DSM V convention.

[@29rpilot]

How about a show like Naked and Afraid with Dizzle and VC. Drop them in a desert with just their bikes and a helmet .

[@timcarnes3467]

Take it from a math teacher of 33 years...sarcasm is never edifying to anyone except the speaker....Sorry Drew, gotta side with vc on this subject.

[@rulebruh]

What a round about way to put dizzle through media training 😂

[@SenorSiesta]

Comment context just rando thoughts drive the algorithm with comments: There is a dichotomy of personality between Drew and Tyler. Tyler is very in tune with his emotions, self actualized and emotionally intelligent. Drew is much more shy and insecure (many of us cyclists are) and it’s hard for him to be vulnerable and open. The sarcasm and jokes well intended but misinterpreted easily. This was an awesome podcast just found it totally subscribing.

[@Nicholasgalassi]

Every second of this episode is gold.

[@xVertOx]

Watched two of your podcasts and tbh reddad is exactly this broken adult with unhealed kid trauma, it's hard to watch Tyler being serious and him always acting goofy, sarcastic and somehow that he's above the rest. Pathetic

[@PatrickDriscoll-d5m]

Been watching VC for a couple of years, and enjoy his videos, and saw his video of the dust bowl before watching podcast 120. Had no idea who Drew was before that and surprised to see the two talking about what happened. Going to be honest, Drew expresses himself as if he is talking like nobody can hear him, I love the honesty regardless of what he says or how crazy he sounds. For the people that want him off the podcast…it is like Howard stern early days, where the haters wanted to hear what he was goin to say next. Love both VC and Drew and hope they have more interactions😂. And listening to Drew’s crazy comments in ep 122 while hiking, I almost tripped a few times laughing my ass off.

[@jamespaul6798]

Thanks for the smiles guys! Enjoyed the content yall need to do more shows about beef.

[@barrowsworm1226]

Agreed with DJ on judging tire speed/efficiency by feel! If you are going to test tires for speed, you need to use real metrics-but, it can be tested accurately by anyone with a power meter, Garmin, and Strava segments.

[@PrintMyClimb]

Legends!!! Awesome content. You guys are hilarious! #LoveTheTrophies 🕵‍♂️

[@AnitCsah]

Such a good pod. Would love an impossible route adventure with Tyler and Drew!

[@Mykelridesbykes]

Dizzle is the guys every knows as the local jester that never grew up. Tyler is still trying to help this guy after they had a bad first impression. VC is the Sam guy who let a young man stay with him and teach him the business. VC I feel for you bro.

[@bradsparks8488]

Like him or not, drew is what keeps me coming back to this podcast.. just facts..

[@GoustiFruit]

As I said somewhere else (can't remember where), I tried the suggested tires by Bicyclerollingresistance (Continental Grand Prix 5000 S TR 32) on my gravel bike, hoping to get new PRs thanks to a way lower resistance than my previous (Hutchinson Overide 38) : what a big mistake !!! It was so bumpy, my bike and my body were shaking on every piece of rock/wood/hole. It was a very painful ride. I then bought the Hutchinson Caracal 40, so, yeah, the widest ones that I could put on my bike, yet I finally beat my previous times, with so much more comfort.

[@luis0tube]

those are road tires man

[@GoustiFruit]

@@luis0tube Check their page, they put it in the cx/gravel section.

[@lukecornwall-jones4248]

Dizzle aims to make each interaction as funny as possible in the best possible way for himself to look back at. True chaos lmao

[@Kevinschart]

I saw the original VC video and thought it was just some gentle roasting, but I completely understand why dizzle wasn't 100% happy about it. BUT it was some free promotion for dizzle because it got me searching for his socials. Having said that, dizzle comes off as a little insecure here. And the constant joking, especially with strangers, does make him come off as a douche. Even in this podcast, I've never seen someone make jokes and need to follow it up with "my joke is so hilarious, you see, because I'm being sarcastic" as much as he did here. Not sure why he clings to that personality so adamantly when it's clearly a turn off, and hides the fact that dizzle actually seems like a nice guy. Maybe ease up on the excessive sarcasm and bro energy when dealing with strangers. Especially when they are trying to actually get some business done. Good thing VC is a decent guy and willing to move on, because he can absolutely be an asset.

[@Charlie2una]

Cmon man never heard of VC?!

[@adamgriss2025]

Everyone who’s been on cycling YT for a few seconds knows of VC. I live in Saudi Arabia, and cyclists know of him here. 😂

[@Kevinschart]

I just bought my first road bike a month ago. In the lead up product research VC was everywhere. If you spend 10 minutes looking at bike stuff on youtube he's really hard to miss Not knowing who VC is while trying to create a cycling KZbin business is clueless and basically malpractice. These guys literally have no idea what they're doing. On KZbin you seek out and study the folks who have found success. VC IS one of those guys in the KZbin cycling world. So Drew is either lying, or he's not very serious about growing the KZbin presence.

[@ynslife]

yeah that sounded so dishonest

[@jdyches37]

lol @ them ripping on Drew about the Lantern Rouge thing when he's actually spot on.