Episode 275 - Detroit Red Wings Prospect Updates & Contract Projections

A week of news in Detroit has the Red Wings signing their top defensive prospect Axel Sandin Pellikka, Nate Danielson showing out in the playoffs for the Portland Winterhawks, Trey Augustine at the Worlds, and the Evolving Hockey contract projections for Moritz Seider and Lucas Raymond!
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Prospects to Watch:
- Carter Mazur
- Marco Kasper
- William Wallinder
- Simon Edvinsson
- Amadeus Lombardi
- Cross Hanas
- Sebastian Cossa
- Albert Johansson
- Elmer Soderblom
- Alex Doucet
Red Wings' Off-Season Acquisitions:
- Alex DeBrincat
- J.T. Compher
- Christian Fischer
- Klim Kostin
- Daniel Sprong
- Shayne Gostisbehere
- Justin Holl
- James Reimer
- Alex Lyon
- Jeff Petry

[@zakkrobinson3801]

I've 100% been on the Nate hype train since day one. And I can't wait to see him in Detroit next year

[@GrindLinePod]

The train is picking up steam!

[@Winged_Wagon_Nation]

@@GrindLinePodIt better, because we need him 😂

[@charlesnelson3660]

​@Winged_Wagon_Nation: We do. I love Larkin, but Gretzky had Messier behind him, and also we had Yzerman and Fedorov. You need two C1s.

[@charlesnelson3660]

Maybe we actually did do pretty well in last year's draft lottery, right where Yzerman needed to be. 🤔

[@DTA555.]

@@charlesnelson3660 The problem is going to be SY and the FA signings and i think Danielson could be better than Larkin but we need to wait and see what he does in 3 years of NHL experience. Kasper is a player who is good at getting under the opposition and agitateing them he goes to the rough areas and I hope he shows more offensive skills. I know he can score goals but he needs to do both. Those two and Mazur are going to be good players and they need to get experience, they have the offense and Defensive depth, kasper is a player who will hit and Grind. This team needs to play the ones who show they are ready. I wish SY would be more focused on the team and longer playoff runs than waiting for the elc to be done.?

[@billjohansson88]

My two cents about Burger is as usual. His window of opportunity was last year's edition of RW. His big challenges are twofold, being too good for the AHL and his lack of two-way play. I usually state that RW has actually abused his career by letting him go up and down. If I were Burger, I would have chosen to find a new home in the NHL and that is what I have mentally prepared myself for. No one questions his technique or having a nose for getting into dirty blue surfaces. Can he replace Perron today! Absolutely not as Perron is still ELIT at the things he does so very well, along the board. There is a vacancy as Sprong does not have a contract. Here, Burgren's weaknesses actually speak to a slight improvement as Sprong is extremely puck-watching. However any other team gets more points out of Sprong as he has consistently done that, Burger has not done that yet in NHL. Burger's future contract may be similar to Sprong's, which I personally always considered to be on the low side for the plus points that Sprong actually does annually with very little ice time. However, I think it is possible to teach Burger to play a better two-way game than what 27-year-old Sprong has learned throughout his career. For me who loves Sprong, I have always been extremely surprised that He, who is Dutch and moved to Canada at a very young age, did not learn the most fundamentals of defensive play. So the question for me is who to blame! Is it the person Sprong or a mix of person and the system that RW and other teams use that is the real problem?

[@DTA555.]

I think Bergs should ask for a trade, I don’t blame him for not signing a contract and SY saying they have to make the Roster is the most obvious choice if Bergs wants to go. He has been better than Ras and Veleno and you don’t pay a player as much as Ras got for PK. He was misused by KH and should have been in Junior and I think SY needs to play the Prospects that are ready before he keeps signing FAs and not being able to give them experience because they won’t be able to keep being in the playoffs if they can get there without giving them experience and I would be letting them sit if they have a bad game and keep playing them so they get it. Enough of the Perron who is not a top six player and if resigned and Kane doesn’t resign they need to have a player to help the youth.

[@chriskennedy5341]

Good take for sure. I agree with most of your perspective. I would also like to add, we should stop developing everyone the same....expecting the scoring forwards to play defence and expecting the defence to play offence. There are some players that just fit a specific role and thats' it. We are asking too much from every single player in our system. I guess that's the team SY wants to build, but I would like to see some talent just play out and develop within their talent instead of being put in to a box.

[@billjohansson88]

@@chriskennedy5341 Great insights, love it.

[@DTA555.]

@@chriskennedy5341 they are trying to make the young players stay in GR and this past season SY said that Reese was up because Kasper doesn’t have the experience? How tf is he going to get experience when he doesn’t get a chance to play in the NHL. I would love to watch the youth Develop that are ready to play in the NHL than watch the same FA signings that are not Guaranteed a playoff spot. I don’t know how he expects to trade players unless he is giving away picks ect. He is following KHs playbook, over ripe the Prospects until they are waiver exempt and if they don’t have what he wants then he is going to trade them. I think Bergd is going to ask for a trade unless he is Guaranteed a roster spot and SY said that him and Johansson would have to earn it. I don’t know what else he expects they are doing their job and he is expecting the youth to change their game but vets are okay if they are not a Defensive Player. It’s bs and him and Newsey are Hypocrites. He says what fans want to hear but he is going to load up on FA players because he thinks making the playoffs which is not Guaranteed and expecting the young players to come in when he wants them too and thinks they are going to be ready to continue the playoff run if they did get in, they need to get the chance to get experience and go with a real rebuild and these other teams in the playoffs have been bringing up the young players and they are playing well. Dallas for one. Vancouver ect. The only team that is not is Detroit because SY thinks they need a couple to 3 years in the AHL but he is going to lose some of those players because they are going to see what is going on and either ask for a trade or go back overseas for more money than GR pays. I don’t want to see them ruined because if they are ready and playing better than half the roster they are still going to be sent back. He is going to put contract in front of them. This season could be worse than last season because of the cap and players to sign.

[@jakerux6092]

I don’t see a scenario where they bring in 3 new forwards and 2 new defensemen this year. Berggren, Mazur, Kasper, Danielson, Soderblom at F and Edvinsson, Johansson, ASP on D. Trades are definitely coming.

[@socialmediag5485]

Danielson is on his 4th season in the whl I would hope he be dominating at this point

[@DTA555.]

I think center is the one area that is going to be better now with Danielson and Kasper and I don’t want Larkin Comparable to a player who could be way better. Let’s see how they do in the first 3 seasons.

[@TheBoringLameInvestor]

9th in scoring. 24th in goals against. This is pretty simple.

[@DTA555.]

But signing Kane is a slap in the face

[@DTA555.]

I could see Seider asking for Edvinson because he is sick of being the only person who defends on the first pair.

[@charlesnelson3660]

I doubt it'll happen but i want to see them paired together. No shots get through, five dudes limp off the ice.

[@RCAR77]

Coaches make the pairing not the players.

[@coreyshafer4747]

When using +/- as a stat, it's really important to take the context of the rest of his team in account. A -12 on a bad team, is probably not that bad of a stat, if the rest of his team is way lower than that.

[@GrindLinePod]

I generally dislike +/- in general because hockey is a weird sport and it's a pretty bad individual stat. Bad flubs, poor goaltending, and special teams really mess with the stat as a whole.

[@charlesnelson3660]

To heck with Ullmark and Swayman, think more like Fuhr and Moog hopefully!

[@DTA555.]

Bergs I don’t blame him if he leaves because he will either be a stud or a Dud I don’t want to see a bunch of FA players to be signed for too much or too long and then turn into a Copp

[@DTA555.]

Lalonde would put a Rookie with Petry and scratch Walman like a noob

[@charlesnelson3660]

Lalonde sometimes: 🤪

[@wingnut69]

Walman was injured, that was the reason he was scratched.

[@DTA555.]

@@wingnut69 i know why he was scratched, I just don’t know why he was playing 3rd pairing when he was healthy.

[@joechriste7052]

Because walman was a turnover machine. He's not a top pairing defender.

[@DTA555.]

Danielson could be a First line center and better than Larkin. We don’t know till they get a chance

[@DTA555.]

Larson could be a late bloomer like Lyon was this season for Detroit except when playing too many games in a row, Lyon struggled and Reimer had a good game and then he was horrible

[@DTA555.]

Raymond is the one who you get at 8 years he could walk away and still get paid and SY just lost a player still in his prime. Not smart

[@charlesnelson3660]

I saw Raymond come up clutch for Detroit in the last five games or so. It was really encouraging as I watched them struggle without Larkin. Little late to this party but I'm getting Raymond RCs now.

[@KetsalEynon]

If Danielson can single-handedly beat Moose Jaw, he can skip GR.

[@charlesnelson3660]

Not Billy Charlesvoix' moose jaw. 😅

[@GrindLinePod]

All he needs to do is outplay Jagger Firkus

[@DTA555.]

Seider could leave also after 6 years if he keeps seeing FA players and no Playoffs because SY is probably not smart enough to play the young players and then thinks he should trade for experience and then get shafted. The team needs to get rebuilding and stop giving over 30+ players a contract just because he wants to make the playoffs but again he needs the talent and two way players that can come up and play a heavy game and not be pushed around like the team is except for a few players.

[@GrindLinePod]

You can win with a team full of rookies. Every successful team fill with free agents. Yzerman built a winner in Tampa. He's right on track in Detroit.

[@charlesnelson3660]

You need a couple guys of that ilk but not three on D and four plus up front. Young guys gotta come up and learn this shit by playing. Couple years later we're winning a playoff round or more.

[@charlesnelson3660]

Cannot wait to see what edvinsson turns into!