Episode 45: IFBB PRO Level Gear Breakdown

[@VigorousSteve]

This is why you shouldn't get coached by your steroid dealer :D

[@johnjewett7970]

Hahahahaha 💯

[@leigh_carmichael]

Boom!!

[@lukeoliver1189]

Facts

[@nickphilippe9743]

Would love to see an off season version of this! (or an off season stack design video)

[@tramsay]

Same here - good suggestion

[@johnjewett7970]

We can do that

[@andersonaraujo7297]

Yeahh do that, please

[@rockon8174]

Stay Natty, bro.

[@musclemedicine_M.D]

It’s slightly higher peak dosages, less # of compounds generally, diet is the main difference. High risk (just AAS) they are going say ‘Test to just under needing an AI, maybe 700-1250mg, anabolic (Mast, Primo, Deca, NPP) + maybe Tren 200mg &/or preworkout oral (cycled or simply break plateaus). It’s the same it’s always been basically, steroid stacks haven’t changed in many decades.

[@musclemedicine_M.D]

Forget color completely. I can make anything look a particular color, CLEAR is the one that can’t be imitated & certain compounds are always clear if made perfectly (& without oxidation). Trained in chem, an M.D., & a 270lb BBing coach I would do the show 1x if your cohost was on vacation😊

[@N1Fitness]

Fascinating stuff...I've never done PED's, but I find learning about them so interesting, thanks for putting this episode together!

[@MuscleMommies]

enjoy your first cycle

[@johnjewett7970]

Thanks for watching

[@szotakandrei]

@@MuscleMommies "i enjoy learning but never tried them " is usually keyword for a fake natty lol

[@MuscleMommies]

@@szotakandrei Watch hours of content about something I will "never" do. Haha!

[@theemperor2017]

@@johnjewett7970 is there a podcast on bulking cycle?

[@Kalebsweeten]

Great video guys. I still can’t believe some of these guys are running what they do, ESPECIALLY at the amateur level

[@johnjewett7970]

Yeah it’s crazy stuff

[@josevitoriano3377]

Thats the disappointment about bodybuilding for me last few years people run so much for 5 years cuz they say they have to get that size. High dose on low calories, for me isnt right those doses 2-3-5 grams impossible to have good blood work impossible

[@the_notorious_bas]

That men's physique stack sounds insane. I understand that this is Olympia level, but 3700 mg of injectables + orals sounds even extreme for an open class guy.

[@dansmith9724]

I believe men's Physique doesn't have wt limits like classic Physique. So Ramy could do men's Physique and just wear board shorts👍

[@the_notorious_bas]

@@dansmith9724 Finally a guy who isn't skipping leg day!

[@BELIEVEwithLEO]

Damn and I start to overthink as soon as I do more then 1.2gr of gear a week 🥴. Thats a whole other reality...

[@fastingfrugivore]

Superb content ..more of these John n Luke

[@Sdpowell1950]

Very helpful. Let’s not kill ourselves.

[@MrChambers91]

Why have I not found your channel til today. Great information bud cheers

[@GrayAreaAmbience]

Great show guys, enjoyed the concept and insight!

[@johnjewett7970]

Thank you

[@nickconopa562]

I’m scared to even go over a gram 😂 but 7 fuckin grams, where in tf do you even put all of that? You’d have to be a walking lumpy mess from all the leaking and pip

[@lukeoliver1189]

8:10 - I ran 1000mg of test with 400mg of primo and e2 was just slightly out, no sides. For some reason primo suppresses me massively

[@thorstormlord]

great knowledge , very well presented. great video..

[@tenpro89]

Subscribed for this content

[@JB-qt3wo]

It’s so easy to start your cycle and say “i’m gonna take x amount of this and y amount of that” then reality kicks in. The human body is always adapting to stimulus. It’s a moving target.

[@Raavyx_]

The injectables are the one thing but the amount of orals/clen etc ontop of those dosages are scary

[@Mm-om9ol]

I'm torn between George Farah and Chad Nichols for the pro cycle I'm betting one of them though

[@Vonnie12]

I’ve seen some crazy stuff on Boston’s forum lol

[@Auiboy13]

Thx guys !❤️

[@dannyswolefitness]

Great information to have!

[@wyattsnow4923]

Hey John! Thanks for another great podcast. I try to stay up to date with the information you share but do not recall you talking about EQ before. Can you elaborate on your concerns with EQ? I’ve heard of Test, EQ, Anadrol off-season combo being common… Thanks!

[@johnjewett7970]

EQ has a profile of higher renal toxicity, might have to dive deeper in an episode

[@dontreadmyname4396]

very intersting video, new sub

[@leigh_carmichael]

Another great one!!

[@ChrisK0z]

I've never went over 1G/Week of gear and I've made insane progress. A lot of it was from MENT and that's typically dosed pretty low, I'm back to my old strength/size and the strongest I've ever been on the lowest dosages I've ever taken. After 10 years of lifting the secret really is to just keep finding motivation to train consistently hard, Especially when you get strong as fuck and you have to touch insane poundages and hit insane amounts of volume to even get relatively sore the next day.. You either love Bodybuilding and are passionate about it or you're not, you can't force yourself to love it.

[@asvardfjelstad5095]

Alright pencil neck

[@quentonnankivell956]

I've hit 2 and a bit last week of prep even then I had to focus on not being a total asshole, was exhausting. I've never needed an ai or serum though. I get no physical sides

[@xtreamcj3547]

First, Thank you for the video's. Great information and I have learned from your information. People want to just say an amount for contest prep or growth prep. NO ONE is talking about the size of the competitor. How are you going to take the same amount for a 175lb person verses a 225lb or 265lb person. I believe what should be considered is the muscle mass on the individual and then come up with the dosage to get the desired result. Someone thats 225lbs with 25% BF will be deferent than an individual that's 225lb with 10% BF. Also please do a discussion on gear for bikini verses figure verses bodybuilding. Also a discussion on how to bring someone back thats holding to much water on day before and morning of a show, Naturally and enhanced please. Increase water? do a late training session?Natural diaretics ect. Thanks

[@johnjewett7970]

Body weight matters but I do think it’s somewhat relative to the the dose repose to get that person to grow. Some people are terrible responders. So that 200lb guy might be on double as a 250lb guy with superior response or vice versa. It’s a good conversation to have around genetic responses. Some are non responders to GH as well, sad story there

[@rafaelfiloyoutube9904]

thank you

[@frasermclaughlan9931]

Great video Guys. AS ALWAYS! Quick Question? The classic physiques cycle at end of video. How would you expect libido to be during this cycle? Thank You

[@charliekc5267]

How does one end up taking all of that? What’s the mindset? Is it trying to grow faster? Or is it a belief that more mean a better physique.

[@johnjewett7970]

Maybe sold on the idea of this is what it must take to be the best and combined with a do anything it takes mentality

[@jonmatthews2731]

What about guys who do more, thinking that their gear is under-dosed? I mean we can run tests, but there's also been doubts expressed about the legitimacy of the testing. I know quite a few guys who up the dose by 20-30% to compensate for low-dosed gear

[@Mikaeel84]

Any ideas on a good test to masteron ratio to start with to keep estradiol optimal. Also is it true that there's a ratio between test and estradiol or just keep estradiol near the top of the reference range or as high as possible without sides?

[@calebblythe8936]

Hey guys, great informative episode! I am new to PEDs and have had horrible PIP and even significant swelling/ redness that lasts for up to 6 days, is this a clear indication of infection or bad gear? or just it being virgin muscle or my body fighting back in some way?

[@a2177050p]

Hey bro. What are you running? It’s not crazy to have pip for a few days especially when you’re new to the game. It could also be a reaction to the carrier oil so you might consider switching sources and see how that goes. Most good sources will list what they use. For example.. some use EO and a lot of guys are sensitive to it. If you’re running a shorter ester like test prop that could be the reason too a lot of guys get bad pip from that. In that case switch to cyp or enanthate. But without more info it’s hard to answer your question. Certain compounds like DHB or injectable winny hurt like a bitch. If you’re just using normal shit like test C/E and getting pip for a week I’d give it a bit but if it continues you probably just have a bad reaction to the carrier oil. Hope that helps!

[@calebblythe8936]

@@a2177050p that was very helpful man thank you! im just on my first cycle of test E and im at about week 4. gonna try a few more weeks to see if it’s virgin muscle or the carrier oil.

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@calebblythe8936 Switch to Cyp A lot of guys are having issues with the Test E raws these days. If i pin .5ml Test E i get PIP If i slam a 3ml Cocktail of Test Cyp/Deca/Primo, no issues whatsoever

[@calebblythe8936]

@@adrienwatson2179 thanks man i’ll try that!

[@andrewm6421]

@@calebblythe8936 how many mg/ml is the test i don't go over 250 tried a test 400 product once, never again

[@nickconopa562]

31:00 sounds a lot like a Matt Jansen kind of stack circa 2015

[@WB-gy4qu]

Thank you as always. Would love to see you guys do an episode on DNP.

[@rubencamarillo4168]

hey John, just curious why you say no to Eq, and have you ever used it?

[@johnjewett7970]

I have used in the past, but learned there is evidence that it may be more renal toxic than other AAS choices. Also it is not a human approved drug and we have AAS that are FDA approved. So EQ just does not bring us any advantage that we can’t get from day primo or masteron.

[@cooldude70-13]

Do you have a video on dhb?

[@Dosa_delts]

Really think it’s be more helpful to have more specifics and recommendations and take aways. Information is too vague. I heard var under 30, test under 500, Tren under 200, Winny is redundant, but totals around 2.5 grams a week? So what exactly is filling that space?

[@lacipeter6934]

Probably lies

[@paulnever6501]

thoughts on removing injectables before the stage?

[@johnjewett7970]

2 considerations in the time to drop is around local inflammation and second being if they are bringing fullness or softening the physique.

[@dontreadmyname4396]

what is your opinion on 600 test 400npp 100 adrol/ED as outlined by some of the 90's bodybuilders as their go-to bulking cycle?

[@christopherburns6403]

If you really listen to what the said here I think you can pull out what they would think about that. All of those things lead to high estrogen levels and would require an AI to control that. Both John and Luke would say you should use an amount of test that does not require an AI (probably max 500mg per week depending on individual genetics) and then adding other compounds as needed that don’t aromatize into estrogen. I also believe, and don’t quote me, that they would advise against off season oral usage. The total gear usage there wouldn’t be the issue but the feeling of that cycle being “strong” would be water retention not actual muscle gain. You would be better off with slightly less test, fill the rest with a DHT derivative and if you would like a low dose NPP for your joints and fullness then add that in too.

[@dontreadmyname4396]

@@christopherburns6403 so either test+primo or test+masteron or test+eq or test+tren, i guess

[@james-gu8do]

@@dontreadmyname4396 correct. Primo snd eq are known to reduce estrogen in most cases. 400test snd 100primo and I have borderline low estrogen. However it’s very individual.

[@jean-sebastienouellet2849]

This is terrifying, these guys are melting their insides, and judging by the recklessness of these cycles, you know damn well they aren't doing their bloodwork as they should, IMO

[@jessiemoser4862]

Maybe I missed it but why the hate on eq? And wheat would you say to run instead in the off season cuz im a huge fan

[@johnjewett7970]

More renal toxic than other compounds

[@jessiemoser4862]

@@johnjewett7970 oh ok thanks for the reply man

[@kaahankhullar3207]

What do u prefer winstrol injection or oral

[@quentonnankivell956]

No one ever answered injection to that question lol

[@edwardclemmons2513]

Great video and advice. I’m thinking of taking Test 500 x 2 a week Tren Ace 300 x2 a week Anadrol 75mg a day & Mastoron E 250x 2 a week . What do you think? 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@ryanmohr8279]

15mg Tren Ace every day is all you need

[@johnjewett7970]

You need to listen to the video

[@GJ-DT]

that's alot.

[@GJ-DT]

​@@ryanmohr8279 i do 25 6 days a week.

[@DG-nb6fe]

800mgs test 400mgs tren is plenty.

[@mic_whiskey_2757]

Neil hill cycles it sounds like

[@isaactyndall3418]

I think it's a good idea to push and run a few "zero regards to health" cycles in your career. I tried the whole 250-350mg test, 50-100 tren and 500-700 primo and saw results but nothing crazy. I then went on a 1.5g Test 600 Tren, 600 EQ and 50mg Superdrol/Anadrol and the gains were ridiculous.

[@johnjewett7970]

You went from a 1.2g to 2.5g cycle. The dose in either cycle is fine, just needs to be a progression. We can run 2.5g but still have rationale

[@adrianlacarcelsanchez785]

1g cycle compared to 3g... the results will be different for sure

[@GJ-DT]

​@@johnjewett7970 over 2.5g without the orals 😲

[@thrillerkrill5777]

Can you still get the nutritiom partitioning and muscle effects from tren at 50 mgs per week?

[@johnjewett7970]

Likely bottom end of range, but all dosing should be based on the needs of the individual

[@thrillerkrill5777]

@@johnjewett7970 thanks for the info.. so what lowest effective dose would you recommend for a 210 lb man? Sounds like around 200 mg per week based on the video

[@ryanmohr8279]

FWIW I still notice the nutrient partitioning at 50mg per week

[@thrillerkrill5777]

@@ryanmohr8279 thanks how much experience do u have tren? Since it's my first run .. I could prolly get somethin out of 50 mg per week

[@rosariodimaio927]

Hello guys happy to listening to both of you I feel am back in the real world, what I think? That the only reason of those large ammount it's to make money ( drug dealers) thanks guys 💵💸💵💸💴💶💷💰

[@andrewreese9802]

My god

[@dansmith9724]

👍

[@barrykitchen8200]

How you talked about using an AI around a gram of test. I remember I would thought I was always lucky because I never had an aromatized issue even when I was at 500 750 but one time I bumped it up to a gram and it was only but two or three weeks. And I felt it like I started feeling then sensitive painful nipples. And I immediately tackle it with some arimidex. It is weird when I would use trend which was only twice at 300 mg for like 4 weeks. Oddly enough when I was 39 40.my nipples would get sensitive like I was having estrogen issues but is more of a progesterone issue I think. Because at one point I started a little bit of lactating kind of. If that makes sense anybody else ever had that issue. I've never had gyno surgery but the right guy know so I just was lucky that I could use 500 or 750 even when his legitimate PG back in 2002 2003

[@andrewwilson6990]

That cycle he laid out is insane. No amount of money would get me to take that much gear. So reckless and unnecessary.

[@gillesvandenbogaerde8299]

Whats the safest way to use anavar ? Like 30mg/day for 6weeks?

[@gerardlewis4634]

Don’t. Use test instead of a oral only cycle

[@mitchellchapman2954]

Anavar barely metabolises in the liver it's mainly absorbed through the kidneys u can run upto 100mg for 6 weeks its vary mild it is for me I don't respond well

[@DG-nb6fe]

350-600mgs testosterone as a base, then 50-80mgs var for 8-10 weeks.

[@lieuciferamsing7263]

My god over 3g mens physique is ridiculous, especially at a prep. Huge health implication

[@nicknormando4220]

Damn 1000mgs a week of orals, yikes

[@bvanquish777]

People forget that actually coming into a source that has 100% legit dosed gear is very rare. You don’t just walk into that. You either have to know someone who already has the hook up or go through the trial and error yourself. You think you’re running 2grams and it may only be half of that. Then again that’s why you also have the mega dosing now days. 😂 Catch 22.

[@ptcj3805]

If you look how extremely dirt cheap raw powders and materials are to make the gear, you will quickly disband this false mindset. To make a correctly dose vial of test/tren literally costs 1 dollar. What is more likely: make a vial for 1 dollar and sell it for 30 dollars with happy customers/good reviews? Or make a vial for 0.5 and sell it for 30 with unhappy cudtomers? Literally no one sells underdosed gear willingly.

[@musclemedicine_M.D]

New Government LAW: steroids are legal after you place top 2 in a natural show. *ensures some genetic potential + knowledge is there before use👌

[@msdos5355]

@jacob cuz he is a gatekeeper punk

[@jasonr8535]

*cough* Phil "spill" viz *cough*

[@Supernaturalman92]

500-700 tren is perfect for me.

[@barrykitchen8200]

I think I just had a heart attack. This or y'all's knowledge you drop in here about the trend. Saying 200 mg. It's going to get you what you need to get. there's another podcast there's another channel and I can't recall it off the top of my head. I think it had something to do with Tony huge but it was somebody else maybe it was steve. Can't remember exactly is a while ago. But they're like by no means anybody really use above 300 300 should be like the max. And that's kind of like where I in my last comment I mentioned 300. And I can tell why people love trend man does it work. That was never my thing . Mine was anadrol . If I had left over on a cycle I had to give it to somebody else. It's probably a lot of mental as well but it's like I took it as a pre-workout it. Like if I had like 200 tabs I'd be taking a tic tacs like everyday. I guess we all have our thing I guess

[@Dommitolo]

Every single thing mentioned is ‘too high’ bloke sounds scared to admit what people do

[@Christian95922]

Yeah if you need that much gear then maybe it's not the right activity to pursue unless it's just pure addiction that's progressed over 15 years of pyramids amounts to a point where the unacceptable has become acceptable, tren is evil and a very mentaly isolating socially detaching drug so adding that to a self centred human who focus is just getting massive is not good for the spiritual aspect of life

[@bbgamerofficial3855]

Evil? Lmao it's not the drug, it's the person.

[@thanos7540]

Why are you so agaisnt AI?using tren a 200mg/week IS ok but adding 2 mg of arimidex a week is so Bad? I think managing E2 is really important off ans on season if they are beyond the highest normal range ...of course you need to not drop them but keeping them in range is safe i think...what your opinion ? Of course you Can Do a 1:1 er ratio with test And dht derivative but for someone who aromatize a lot it is just no enough

[@thanos7540]

@Adam Swink agree but for my case as an exemple...100mg test trt prescribe by Doc with 200mg Masteron...my e2 are 120....i need and ai

[@thanos7540]

@Adam Swink nope he prescribes just test ...but adding 0.5mg of arimidex per date with it ....it s way too much i think so i add masteron to balance my e2 and i take 0.5mg of Arimidex monday et tuesday

[@johnjewett7970]

It’s all bad, to say well you are using tren any way screw it use an AI since we are risking our health anyway is not the right conversation to have. The issue with in all of these cycle is there is zero assessment in someone’s tolerance and it’s a blanket move that everyone gets an AI. This is not 0.5mg 2x per week. It 7-10mg per week and we do see after years they have a direct impact on cardiovascular outcomes. So if I can reduce risk slightly I will. As with androgens that high I want estrogen high and outside the normal range for the renal, heart, and brain protective aspects. Within TRT there should be zero need for an AI when used within physiological limits. I would also look at moving to daily subQ shots as this can keep aromatization more steady for the estrogen sensitive.

[@DG-nb6fe]

Better to let estrogen run high while blasting. 10-20mgs Nolvadex day prevents gyno easily. Could also throw in 25mgs proviron twice daily too.

[@DG-nb6fe]

@Adam Swink no AI’s crush estrogen, Nolvadex just prevents estrogen at the nipple. Nolvadex doesn’t lower estrogen.