Episode 53 - Just the Facts, History vs Christianity

Is the Bible made up of myths and fairy-tales? What about the dragons, demons, and talking snakes; that can't be real.... can it? What proof is there to convince me that the Bible is a reliable source of history?
Between the skeptics and the believers the truth of Scripture has a lot to answer for. In this episode we will look at just a few things the Bible claims, and how those claims have been proven.
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[@Demosophist]

The issue is that the Jesus of the Gospels never existed. There certainly was a Jesus/Joses/Joshua/Yeshua who lived in the 1st Century, who was a messianic figure of the Essenes/Rechabites. But it was a Zealot/Sicarii movement, not a peacenik wandering around healing the lame. The recent discoveries of the Dead Sea Scrolls document the fact of *this* Jesus, as well as the fact that his brother, James the Just, took over the leadership after his execution. And James the Just was not a peacenik. Rather, he characterized Paul as a liar and a Roman/Herodian agent. It was Rome that created the Greco/Roman mystery cult that we now call "Christianity" and their motives were not pure. Anything but. See Robert Eisenman (difficult) and James Tabor (easier read). The fact is that very little is known about the real Jesus, but a great deal more is known about his brother, James. And if you want to know what the real Jesus was like, well... he was a lot like James. And he was nothing like the literary figure conjured up in the gospels.

[@craigsmith1443]

Interesting that you would trust some documents and not others. Why is that? Why the Dead Sea scrolls and not the Gospels? And Rome wouldn't have 'created' Christianity and then persecuted Christians.

[@genedavid3210]

It's interesting that there is such desire to remove Jesus from history, or discount Him as a fraud.

[@craigsmith1443]

@@genedavid3210 'Any port in te storm'? Or 'Any stick to beat a dog'? Motives can be so self-deceptive. Tacitus said that the Romans got the emperors because they made stuff up ('lied to themselves' he said) and believed it.

[@2156meadows]

Sounds like Canadian politics.

[@teleiostalkpodcast]

I read through the writings of Robert Eisenmann and James Tabor, as you suggested, and I also looked at how they are reviewed by others in the fields of Biblical archeology and historical archeology. From what I read, the works of Robert Eisenmann are largely ignored by the experts in the fields I mentioned. From what they say he insinuates his own ideologies into his writings through mishandling of the Dead Sea Scroll texts, as he does with Micheal Wise. The experts say that they "skim" information from cave 4 texts and do a poor job of translation. Of the sources I read, this is a good place for you to start. www.tektonics.org/books/eisenbrojrvw.php There are numerous other sources of criticism against the work of Robert Eisenmann (in particular) by Jewish, Christian, Muslim, and secular sources. Although it is exciting to find those who would discredit established and verified sources of truth, it is incumbent on the reader to also examine those who provide this misinformation. Thank you for you interest in my podcast, I look forward to your continued engagement in future podcasts.

[@teleiostalkpodcast]

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[@mnptm]

A historical approach is not comparative literature; who cares what other epics say (do you give credence to Tiamat?) why wouldn’t you refer to modern geology? is it because geology refutes the claim of your ancient mythology? It seems that you are not serious when you claim to approach historically

[@teleiostalkpodcast]

The whole study of history is looking at what happened in the past, examining it effects on that time and then discovering how it relevant to contemporary observation. Two things must be addressed. First, a 20 minute podcast isn't going to answer all your questions, touch on every nuance of historical examination, or consider every arm of science in its presentation. Second, to ignore ancient writing is to ignore history. You have expressed a distate for Christianity and I would posit that your comment is a reflection of your own bias and discrimination; but I'm led to ask, "Why?" Certainly a worldview or philosophical understanding should not lead someone to name-calling unless the criticism had a rood which is tertiary or parallel to the criticism. We have almost 60 episodes as well as microcasts and sermons for your enjoyment. Perhaps you will find something that helps to articulate your own beliefs.

[@mnptm]

thank you mr Teleiostalk, I find your reply rather puzzling because I neither showed disdain for Christianity nor devolved into “name calling”; I simply pointed out that you sighted the Noah story and claimed that by comparing this with other ancient literature that this was somehow historical; at best this would demonstrate memesis; that you hold this flimsy evidence in the face of an overwhelming lack of geological evidence makes me question the credibility of your “historical” approach

[@mnptm]

(mimesis)

[@seventy9819]

Poor apologetics! Nice try. Why don't you talk about slavery in the Bible?

[@craigsmith1443]

_Why don't you talk about slavery in the Bible?_ Why don't you?

[@genedavid3210]

Slavery is a good topic. I wonder if Romanic slavery was a similar type action as the slavery seen in the States. It's interesting how our current perceptions color how we view history.

[@teleiostalkpodcast]

It's a good topic. I should add it to an upcoming episode. Right now it's just a matter of time, often there is more to talk about than the time to do it in.

[@craigsmith1443]

@@genedavid3210 _I wonder if Romanic slavery was a similar type action as the slavery seen in the States_ It was not exactly. Details can follow, but worship calls at present. Still, it is very instructive, and in more than one direction or subject.