Episode U - Glacial Lake Missoula w/ Larry Smith

[@justincase8281]

A little bit late... I listen to these like a podcast. If there is a certain point made that sticks in my mind, I will come back and watch it.

[@runninonempty820]

Never get tired of the goofiness at the end! Can't wait to see Shawn and Nick together.

[@maxinee1267]

I watch the episodes on my computer. make coffee, sit down and try to watch without interruptions. wow this was a great episode. thank you Larry Smith. so appreciated the google earth depicting how high the water was.

[@thomasrodman1796]

I absolutely loved this episode! Nick, people will indeed be using your channel for research for years to come. Please ensure that its content will be maintained long into the future.

[@maryseaman312]

I have GOT to watch these videos AT LEAST three times in order to follow the new presentation PLUS the great chats going on! Y'all have taught me a lot .... and, the conversations between those who know a lot with others who know a lot is absolutely PRICELESS! And, I HAVE to express my appreciation when someone like me, so far removed from your expert abilities, asks a "backwards" question .... gets an answer to clarify something.

[@yukigatlin9358]

Wow, Larry Smith! What a treat to watch you, give us a Geologic Google Earth tour of Glacial Lake Missoula, an introduction to OSL dating, and your reactions to Bretz's notes!! I got just a bit better understanding of what I read, and that makes me really happy...😏✨💗Oh my, Nick, the way you read letters Between Bretz and Large was just amazing, I know I'm lucky if I understood half of what Bretz said, but you just made me go into the world I have never imagined without so, thank you!!😃💞💗I'm excited to know current key geologists are starting more discussions between them because of your series... Also, thank you SO much for letting me peak your story ending, I was itching for it, now I'm more motivated to see and read through it to Episode Z!!😄✨💞💗

[@geoffgeorges]

How I absorb your teachings: I don’t think I have missed one video since your first. I watch them on KZbin app on my phone. Over Covid time I watched live, sometimes I still do, but mostly in replay. I was live with Skye and Vic. So riveting that I didn’t really notice that 2-3 hours go by.

[@robmagee100]

Wow, what an episode! I loved Larry’s insights, and then Part Deux, Bretz’ letter…. Absolutely fascinating to get a glimpse into his mind as it wrestled with the various forms of evidence and following the available evidence to the inarguable conclusions as he saw it! Love it! Never too long, Nick! Thanks as always!!

[@lorrainewaters6189]

Thanks again, Nick. These historical episodes are fascinating.

[@pne5720]

I'm not sure if you have a way of knowing how many people ultimately watch the show at a later time. I'm sure that there are many people like myself whom prefer to watch the show later as their own schedule permits. So, don't fret so much about the live viewer numbers. These shows will be viewed for years to come. Just like you reading that 100 year old letter, unless there's another cataclysm, people will still be watching these shows hundreds of years from now. I watch them after the live broadcast and have learned an enormous amount of information from them. I'm a structural engineer and find the information fascinating. Thank you.

[@Aengus42]

You asked about what stood out from Larry's presentation. It has to be that cut, cleaned up section in those marbled silts! Absolutely beautiful!

[@sharonhoward4957]

This show with Larry was superb. It just keeps getting better!

[@OVTraveller]

Nick, in response to your question. Your presentations are like a 2 to 3 hour movie with drama, suspense and discovery. Modern movies in comparison lack what we are seeing in Washington, USA

[@leightodd7335]

I'm a retired HS teacher/principal in OKC. I watch your shows a few ways. 1. Live and I walk around the house carrying my computer. 2. I watch it in playback usually all at once but sometimes in chunks. 3. I download it to my phone and watch them driving to my kids houses. One of them lives 5 hours away and one 10 hours. 4. One time I watched you live on a plane I was flying to New York. lol

[@d.t.4523]

Thank you Larry, thank you Nick.

[@LeahC208]

I'm a stay at home Mom/ PTA President and I watch live when I can or catch up later with the recordings. I watch on my phone while doing all the things I need to do and I hardly read the chat. Love this and keep up the good work!

[@stephen627]

I put you on my big tv and turn up the volume sometimes and twitter around the house. Often make lunch and coffee sit back and explore Eastern Washington with Nick and everyone.

[@OVTraveller]

Hi Nick, on replay as this viewer ( of all episodes) lives in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Loving an in-depth study of your state and its glacial history.

[@mbvoelker8448]

Yes, you should absolutely share those letters in your documents. This is EXACTLY the sort of document that historians value most.

[@thomasrodman1796]

I wholeheartedly agree!

[@bsondahl]

Lots of laughs from Nick's enthusiasm and comments. Then I got toasted at the end for the bread bakers (currently baking bread).

[@donnaprestwood]

I usually listen to your show while I bake or cook. Stop each time to look at exhibits. ❤

[@davied5496]

Usually watch the whole thing from beginning to end. It’s so exciting. )

[@georgegrader9038]

I am just going over what I missed LIVE with Larry Smith. Impressive strat column work at Garden Gulch, intense age dating, outstanding overview.

[@markleahy9585]

I like to watch the replay so I can start and pause whenever. Thanks Nick

[@bobgrove1832]

Nick and Larry, what a great program. All this sharing, papers, and the inclusion of experts on the area is science at its best in my opinion. Thanks from the flat lands of Ohio and a geoscience educator.

[@uptowndebbie]

Love it, Larry...signed, your wife

[@laughingoutloud5742]

I'm looking forward to Sunday morning livestream with Professor Shawn Willsey! Both professors are influential in my decision to go back to school at 56. I'm really behind on the A-Z livestreams but I'm determined to get into a university program sooner than later 😉 But I'll put my homework aside for this one! Cheers everyone 🇨🇦❤️🌋🏔🪨📚

[@Steviepinhead]

I think Skye got it right in the chat. Bretz convinced himself that there was too much ice in the GLM drainage to permit a flood route to the scablands. Even with his superior field work and powers of observation, Bretz occasionally got it wrong. This (and the failure to promptly return in subsequent seasons) adequately explains Bretz's reluctance to rely on GLM as his flood source.

[@Steviepinhead]

@@mpetersen6 I have no idea why you appended all this verbiage to my comment.

[@mpetersen6]

@@Steviepinhead Its deleted. How you do not have to worry about it.

[@xalash]

Bretz wrote on his 1927 ambush abstract that Mr. Pardee of the Federal Survey had suggested GLM, but that it would only run the flood for two weeks. I would imagine that this was the piece of paper Bretz presented from in the 1927 ambush meeting, and he made this addition at the venue.

[@georgegrader9038]

Confusing & broken chains of sequence/interpretations of superposition & cross-cutting. No problems with the late GLM sources; just the earlier (?) cut and fill, whatever the source. I assume not ALL Missoula sediment in the Spokane area was confused as ice & till by Bretz. Obviously lots of 18-12K "Red" material of Missoula time manteling & part removed in waning stages in the SVRP...

[@deannekwon6822]

It’s gonna be lit!

[@Eric_Hutton.1980]

Nick can we get an episode Alpha to cover the material that wasn't able to be included in the main series? Keep up the excellent work with these informative videos.

[@PlayNowWorkLater]

I loved seeing all those lake bottom sediment cliffs that were carved out by the water as it rushed out of the lake. We have similar cliffs in my hometown that was the bottom of a glacial lake, that drained quickly from a Glacial Lake outburst flood. Cool to see similar features elsewhere

[@johnmatlack7177]

Excellent program again! I worked all night so I’ll have rewatch…I did go to the Gravel pit nw of Pantops sta. this morning the pit was heavily stripped over the years,what gravel Bretz saw is long gone, I was informed that people from the Ice Age Flood Institute have been there. Still an amazing place. Mostly all filled with old concrete and asphalt from construction projects around the area.

[@mbvoelker8448]

BTW, I usually see these in replay and I usually *watch* by listening while in my stained glass workshop -- looking up from time to time as important diagrams show up. Today I actually watched-watched most of it since I was foiling, a task I can do on my couch. :D But even though I started live I didn't get to stay live because various family members needed various forms of attention.

[@alexpiper9475]

awsum

[@complimentary_voucher]

Fantastic episode, really fills in a lot of holes. As far as the length/eyeball questions in our case; we put the long shows on when we have in-room projects and just walk around both listening and watching, stopping manual jobs to look at the important visuals. Sometimes it's mostly audio that matters and we treat those like a podcast, but its pretty easy to anticipate whether a topic is going to be slide/visual heavy and how much eyeball attention that's going to require. If it's 90 mins or less Ill pretty much sit down and watch it exclusively.

[@rockatman]

I start work shortly after your Thursday streams start, so keep you on in the background instead of a radio. Then I watch the replay later. Sundays I'm all yours! I would love to see coverage of an extended discussion between the gurus after this series, but I realize that may stifle some of their public comments... And would depend on your willingness... Thank you you for all you've done so far!

[@rockatman]

I appear as katmankue from Lodgepole on the livestreams, currently trying to change my ID since I don't pick up my cue much anymore. (But the cat with a cue still has a game for you....) Tigrrr and Peppurr send regards to Bijou!!

[@georgeperillo6421]

Howdy Nick from Snohomish Washington.

[@frannysinclair2613]

looking forward to Shawn's visit on Sunday.

[@Stroopwaffe1]

Hey to a presently contemporary you, hopefully I get to see a live soon, pc, Scotland, UK. Earth.

[@mikerod5396]

I had a pile of snow here and at work and I have seen what Bretz is talking about. You can see the flowing melting snow-water flowing from underneath the snow banks: the sediments, dirt, and channeling. Amazing!

[@brennajael9406]

I am working in my bookbinding studio while I listen and look at the screen occasionally

[@charleshansen8558]

I live in NE Spokane in a development called Lidgerwood Park plotted out somewhere about 1900. It is much higher than the Spokane River kind of a flat plateau here. Digging around here you find a little soil above a lot of gravel, down 15 or more feet. Further east where they are building the new freeway the gravel goes down about 70 feet to the aquifer but I have never dug that far. My sister and I also own property at Upper Twin Lake north of Rathdrum and we have a lot of clay there,

[@Anne5440_]

Yes I watch it on my tablet the entire time. However, I'm basically bedridden. For casual crochet crochet chats I may do sit and crochet along. But geology is important enough I actually watch. I will pause for biology breaks then restart.

[@paulliebenberg3410]

I have 4 devices I watch Nick and related content on, a 65" bigscreen (when watching w/wife), a PC with twin 21" monitors, an IPad and as the last resort, an iPhone. As to whether I watch live or by replay all depends on the time of day, farm chores and especially the weather. We're very much outdoors people, we won't often waste daylight watching any video. Because it was soggy outside yesterday, I watched this episode live, having to pause it a couple of times near the end to take care of stuff. At this stage of the game I think Missoula Flood waters got underneath a fully developed Spokane Ice Sheet and floated fragments of it down the Scablands, thus becoming those erratic shipping icebergs.

[@Snappy-ut4bj]

Hell yeah. Still crowd sourcing the interest into everything. I think this might be art now. I’m really moved.

[@bobbyadkins885]

You ask how do ppl watch the livestreams, for me it’s almost 100% listening and not watching, I’m a truck driver so watching is out of the question. Sometimes I’ll replay the episode again later when out of the truck to catch the visuals, I’ve listened/watched prolly 95% of your stuff since that day in March of 2020 when you went “live from home” for the first time. Along with binge listening/watching all of the old lecture series, all of it amazing stuff

[@canadianentropy]

I listen while updating the map for our tree inventory in Red Deer, and pause to take a closer look at the diagrams and charts.

[@mikerod5396]

Whattttt! 3 hours!!!!!!

[@metal--babble346]

was driving around the hills above the Willamette river south of Portland today. Massive flood terraces make great flats for neighborhoods. Just add roads homes & people.

[@alanbuban9020]

it has to be long nick because you are presenting a dynamic debate on a geologic narrative; it's not a lecture lesson in a structured class. yet some of us are also using it that way..

[@georgegrader9038]

That hot day in the field with the Yale & Princeton & Chicago U - Mad stuff! The mega Floods DID "top over" on the SW of Lake Coeur d'Alene... They also filled its valley and then damned / creating the lake, pushing the Spokane River that cut its way out against the south shore of the SVRP (spokane valley rathdrum prairie)

[@georgegrader9038]

Seems like Vic Baker alludes to that in that final more recent email. So many confusing elements and broken chains of sequence/interpretations of superposition & cross cutting.

[@georgegrader9038]

I don't think anyone is saying the SVRP is till - but it remains an interesting question... came up in this episode.

[@bestbuilder1st]

Answer to your question - I watch in spurts because I like the visuals and I engage more when I watch you or the guest talk. Mostly 30 minutes at a time because I don't have 2+ hours to spare at any one go.

[@doug.PalmHarbor.Florida]

😮from Clearwater Florida

[@hiker1658]

The schedule for this series has made making the Livestream difficult. I join when I can and watch what I missed on the big TV in my family room when I have the time to focus.

[@BeverlyM52]

Late for the party. I'm sitting up from Lolo, MT. I would love to know If Fish Creek Road was under water way back when.

[@grandparocky]

Haa I once worked for the Forest Service at Trout Creek!

[@dennisp.5053]

Depends on where we are. If we're home then we watch it on the big screen in the livingroom, then open the laptop to take part in the live chat as it's not available on the big screen, but the video size is great.

[@101rotarypower]

Reading of that letter was exhilarating! Its a Shame we dont get more follow up from Bretz on Missoula, if only to see Bretz know that area as well as the Scablands!!! If he knew that place as well as the other focused POI, it seems like he would have a much Stronger Stance on the source of the water, if only to Rule it out or make it more Plausible...Which would lead him to search with greater focus North if Missoula did not have the attributes required! I hope we see more work to help tell this story in more concise detail! Should it still be ambiguous where the water came from and its source nearly 100 years later!?!

[@HugsView]

I I watch on large smart TV most of time- send comments on phone. Doc cam and maps I have to replay to visuals- especially to lock in concepts.

[@wildwolfwind6557]

👍❣ I typically watch 2 or 3 times (or more) to catch any bits I miss during the live (for whatever reason(s)). It seems that if the only evidence of floods from Lake Missoula are all MIS 2, and the reverse magnetism site (where you were with Skye and then Bruce) which obviously wasn't MIS 2; that should strengthen the case for other older flood sources including the potential for ice over Spokane. I was thinking the most likely options for an ice sheet over Spokane would be one of the 4 biggest glaciations (as discussed with Joel in Episode J), but am open to the potential of MIS 4 or perhaps the stage associated with the reverse magnetism. I also mostly agree with the idea of older bigger, younger smaller; but don't understand why / how the Okanogan lobe is youngest biggest. 🤨 Story time is bonus time❣💖💞😻

[@dustinplatt1481]

I am usually doing lesson planning or grading, but watch the replay a couple of times, and a lot of times I'll stop and review things that are concepts I find curious/intriguing/ brilliant, etc

[@mpetersen6]

One thing that l wonder about. If there were multiple floods out of Lake Missoula why isn't the discharge point larger.

[@danielstevens5135]

I play back delayed because I can double speed the program. Most of the programs are find for audio only. Once in a while, one needs the video.

[@LVZ-DRT]

I noticed that at least one of Bretz’s letters put a period after the “J”. Did he slip up, or did he perhaps have a clumsy assistant type them from his handwritten original. Three hours is a breeze with content like this. Keep it up.

[@jonathanblubaugh5049]

i love live, but advantage of replay is ability to stop the action to scrutinize documents

[@mikerod5396]

Museum in Paradise, MT? I'm there! Road trip.

[@wendygerrish4964]

Geo Society published a art. About Bretz May '22. Says 1933-61 Bretz took on totally new projects such as studying origins of limestone caves and that he trusted the future work of other geologists to add to proof of his scablands iceage floods work.

[@Snappy-ut4bj]

Down stream of Camas Prarie! Must have been a Nozzel!

[@jonathanblubaugh5049]

in replay I watch it in segments. 3 hour tour - kinda like Gilligan's island. judy doesn't like watching the chat because it's distracting from the lesson

[@markp.9707]

This is really late question Nick. Wish I would have seen this live. I would like to know if you drained the entirety of GLM how deep would it be if you filled Central Washington? Is it 10’ feet deep or 100’ deep or more? I just have never believed their is enough volume of water to carve Moses Coulee, Grand Coulee and the Channel scablands. Then you need to assume how long it’s assumed to take to drain GLM.

[@WashingtonPerspective]

NICK, an important comment! Is my timeline incorrect, or does Bretz address Dick Flint as ‘Mr.’ rather than ‘Dr.’? 2:16:45, If Dick had already received his PhD, and Bretz was part of the advising committee for it, this could indeed be perceived as a slight ‘diss’ towards Flint in that early letter. Interestingly, in the preceding letter 2:15:45, Dick refers to Bretz as ‘Professor,’ not ‘Dr.’ as well. It seems they might both be engaging in a form of subtle rudeness common to the era’s letter etiquette. I am willing to believe that the subtle dig is rather significant to both characters, as these letters have subtle attributes that signal a riff. Both, by 1927, should certainly be referred to as Dr. in a professional letter.

[@washingtonzoom2618]

The use of "Mr." and "Professor" instead of "Dr." when addressing each other in their correspondence may subtly reflect a form of professional rivalry or tension between Bretz and Flint. Considering both were entitled to the title "Dr." by 1927, this deviation from formal etiquette could signal an underlying discord. However, it's also possible that we're attributing too much significance to these choices of address, even though they should be formally recognized as "Dr." in a professional setting. However, to open a correspondence, Thomas Large most certainly used "Dr." when addressing Bretz, 2:07:57.

[@willemkernkamp809]

The lake shore lines could be imprints of winter ice on the lake.

[@wendyspicer8588]

It seems that Large sponsored Bretz's trip. He is reporting his findings.

[@alund2812]

Was there any hot earth under the Spokane ice sheet?

[@OldTrekkie23]

According to Wikipedia, the stock market crash was October 24, 1929

[@OldTrekkie23]

dang, I paid $100.00 for my Brunton ~50 years later!

[@donfingers3320]

If you're thinking of changing the format... DON'T!! A wise man once said "if it's not broke, don't fix it."

[@davec9244]

my thought has any one study major faults in that time and space that may be cause the ice dam to brake.

[@jameshughes8745]

I watch in reply while smoking a pipe...usually in multiple sessions.

[@jonathanblubaugh5049]

no, I watch. otherwise I'd do a podcast.

[@georgegrader9038]

Send us the geology letter! We can handle it. Aren't there blue out wash sands in the Astoria Fan. "By-pass"....

[@montyaherin2606]

Steptoe canyon?

[@davidberry6217]

I am concerned that Nick, for whom I have utmost respect, makes so many mistakes while reading aloud printed materials. Misread dates and numeric values, incorrect word substitutions, skipped phrases and sentences occur regularly. Eyeglasses? Dyslexia? Reading too fast? Nick, maybe if you slow down you can avoid the mistakes.

[@paulezycom]

Did Lake Missoula ever spill over into the Missouri River watershed?