Eps 382: Light-for-Caliber Bullets in 308 and 6.5 CM

[@EpixSt33Lz]

I dont understand why people hate on ron, hes such a nice guy who just has a passion for hunting and ballastics and everything outdoors. He has a wonderful report with his listeners and actually listens to his community. It makes me sad when people go at ron for no reason as im worried he will get fed up and quit doing these.

[@mattmcclure9371]

My sentiments exactly

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Some people just got to hate, I suppose.

[@kerryfalls3292]

Good ol Ron Spomer 👑 in Arkansas we all love mr. Webster dictionary of hunting! Keep em comin!!!!!!!!!!

[@ronladuke7235]

Some people are just miserable and make themselves feel better by looking for something to complain about.

[@CHIGGER83357]

He's a plain spoken honest man and some people just don't like that I guess.

[@sethboogaard6519]

Every time I watch Rons videos I put hearing protection on my .308 so it can't hear Ron and feel offended...except this video, my rifle and I shared popcorn and gave it a thumbs up! Keep the content coming Ron we greatly appreciate you.

[@michaelwilson9986]

😂😂😂

[@jarnohietala]

😂😂

[@TomL3grandsons]

I’ve used 130 grain TTSX with good success in the 308 win. I decided to use this load for my grandson’s 308 for lighter recoil and it turned out quite well.

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

Guy at vortex optics talks about the barnes 130gr in 308.

[@MSHunts]

I’ve picked some up for my son’s rifle for this year. Barnes factory loaded TTSX 130 3140 fps and it groups great.

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

@@MSHunts 350 yards and in its one of better choices

[@wahyasaquii7563]

@@travissmith-wz5nc Ryan has entered the chat.

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

@wahyasaquii7563 🤣

[@mikenavy360]

243 is a great starter rifle. It can do most anything.

[@chriswimberly8060]

I've had several heart surgeries over the last 10 years, so all I shoot now is my trusty old .243. I've taken quite a few big bucks and tons of management bucks and doe with it in the last years and nothing, I repeat, nothing has traveled more than 35 to 40 yards after a good shot.

[@lightningrider2508]

Ron, You're one of the smartest and kindest men around. Don't mind those who criticize you. Their ignorance is only surpassed by their outright stupidity. Yes, anonymous unwashed contributors there is a difference.

[@betsyfuller369]

His article on the 30 Whelen is what made me understand the genius

[@RonHudgens-ck5qe]

My first rifle was a Winchester model 100 in 308. , .. Out of the box 150 grain bullets , and made a Sub 1 inch grouping. Everything I have shoot went down. My father used Remington .06. I still use my 308 bought in 1973.

[@kevinfidler8074]

The Australian channel you mentioned is Mark and Sam after work, and like you said, they do very impressive long distance shooting.

[@seuthsayer]

I’ve watched them….. very good

[@youngguns1319]

Ron, your free information, passion for the outdoors and all the time you put into it. I thank you, I like all firearms old to new all calibers. Some guns I have are sentimental handed down to me. Iv not been on as many hunts as you I’m 32 years old but I’v been hunting from the time I was 8 years old. My brothers and father thought me the basics. Most of my skills are from what I’v seen and learned as I call practical experience. I will listen to any information anyone has to give even better if it’s free! I just wanted to really thank you for all you do! I watch every one of your videos and always give ya a thumbs up. This is coming from a 308 lover lol don’t hold it against me best of wishes and luck to you always!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

You keep rocking that 308 Win, youngguns!

[@PorscheSpeedster-kz6nc]

What a wonderful story about a dad to end the show. Thanks Ron for everything you do. You help make my life better with your stories and education. ❤

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thank you Porsche

[@MichaelSisley-fw3xr]

Amen on the Barnes copper bullets!! I use that same 130gr quite a bit in south Texas in my 308. With a properly sighted in rifle, a decent person shooting, everything we have down here will go down with it. I like it for what Ron mentioned. They penetrate and stay together! That load makes a fine wild hog round. Lots of Bang Flops.

[@boomchang1]

I was always told that was a too light bullet weight for whitetail deer. I just always listened to the wisdom what was told others. Well i have been using The TTSX & THE TSX WITH FANTASTIC RESULTS FOR 13 YEARS IN OTHER CALIBERS. So I was hoping on the 130 Grain in the 30-06 & the 308. Oh my just used reasoning thought 130 grain in 270 which is the slayer a lot use here in PA. I am glad i changed to that weight. It is smoking I got it just under max out of the 308 traveling just under 3200 fps. Like lightning. The 30-06 still playing with, and getting just over 3300 fps. Game changer for sure. Thanks Ron for the videos and the knowledge you impart here. I really enjoy it.

[@redbeard123]

Love your channels mr ron thank you and your wife for putting out such good content

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks redbeard!

[@Albert_RZA]

The dad story almost got me in tears. I think most of the people who hunt started hunting with their dads and keep hunting because of the feeling they experienced with their dad. I know I loved to hunt with my dad when I was young and lost him at the age of 7 (I'm 19 now), afterwards I kept on hunting and teached myself the stuff I wish he teached me through whatching videos like yours and shooting with my air rifle. We live on a farm in South Africa and sometimes I just take the rifle without bullets and go looking for warthog because just being there in the field makes me feel close to him (I also don't want to kill my whole warthog population, as I hunt alot). I Load my own ammo and shoot everything with my 22-250 from geese to waterbuck. Thanks for the great videos and the heartfelt way you make them ❤

[@timhood6970]

My favorite cartridge for deer here in the Alabama woods where I hunt most of the time, is the one you love to hate on... the .308, but I do have a trusty .270 for a few places I do occasionally hunt on our property that offers some 300+ yard shots. Both are Savage Axis XP rifles and very dependable and accurate, I am still shooting both with the Bushnell Banner Scopes that came with the guns! Bought both of them at the same time and gave less than $800 for both! Love the videos, thanks for the valuable information and time you invest to put these out there!

[@davy1458]

Ron is great....i might cry a little bitwhen you hate on .308....but all inall i still think you are great and youve taught me so much. Thank you.

[@GlennHa]

Just a few words to say "Thank You" for putting out these videos. I have tried to read every gun writer's article and book I've ever been able to get my hands on, and having videos greatly improves spreading the knowledge.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thank you Glenn.

[@ronniegreene1274]

Thanks ron.i appreciate what u do.i miss reading the old articles in the old magazine but i really enjoy these now..ive been a fan for many years and i appreciate u sharing your knowledge with us ..keep it coming

[@benjaminwilley3578]

Doing a great job Ron, love listening from over here in England UK. Very different hunting scenes, but we are all still learning.

[@ronladuke7235]

Mark and Sam after work are the Australian site that does the long range shooting. They shoot all kinds of calibers from 22lr to 50bmg and everything in between. Excellent information about long range shooting!

[@chrisb9478]

I know a couple guys who use the Barnes 130gr TTSX in .308 in GA for whitetail and say they just work lights out on the deer👍🏻

[@EdAb]

20:35 That was Bella Twin, near Slave Lake, Alberta, Canada, in 1953. It was a .22 Long. Cheers!

[@Brushcreek-q5l]

Nosler 125gr BT out of the. 308 is a great option for deer-sized game. Look up Nosler 's write-up in the loading manual, comparing it against the. 270. I have loaded them for several years for my nephew 's 308 and he has shot whitetails anywhere from 30 yds to 300 yds with no tracking involved. They work well in 06 and 308 for coyotes, bobcats as long as they are 125 yds and out.

[@gilbertallred5488]

Ron, I have been teaching in NC Concealed Carry for 12 years and trying to convince people to think before purchasing a self defense pistol. I say 45, 10mm, or something that packs a punch and stops the aggressor as fast as possible as who wants to get into or be in a gun fire exchange. I truly agree with your comments. Bigger is better to stop the charge. 30+ years Army Sniper & retired police. Merry Christmas my friend.

[@stainlessman64]

Thanks for another interesting and educational video

[@poisonPpaully]

Ron it’s very seldom I’m disagree with you on something but I’ve got a really light ar10 chambered in 308 with a 20 rd mag and 16” barrel it’s got a great muzzle break and very low recoil although it’s very loud and though I would always want a large revolver in bear country also I would rather my ar 10 with 20 rds of 168 or 180s Over a lever action in 45-70 and 6-8 rds that I have to crank the lever on Anyway love your content and and consider you a great wealth of knowledge on everything

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

You and other AR fans are slowly convincing me, Paully. Thanks for the insight.

[@ThorrRA3793]

I like the lever in 44 mag with that extra two or three rounds 🤙

[@kimmichaels899]

​@RonSpomerOutdoors don't forget the 450 bushmaster in ar-15 is lighter than a ar-10

[@kimmichaels899]

We like a 450 bushmaster, ar- 15, 16" barrel,also have 10.5 450 pistol!! 390 gr bullet.

[@robinsok]

I've been considering my next hunting rifle for some time now, mainly for Missouri Whitetails. I've been slowly gravitating to the 308 for a handful of reasons. Having been around long enough to see multiple ammo shortages, I like something that is plentiful and affordable so that I can stock up ahead of time. The 308 is the king of centerfires when it comes to ammo price and availability. While I know that there are definitely other cartridges that can easily top it in performance, I think the effectiveness we know that copper bullets bring to the table has changed things a bit. A 130 TTSX at well over 3000fps realistically does what most folks need for any non dangerous game at reasonable ranges, say inside of 400 yards. I think some of the detractors of the 308 obviously have a point if the goal is to fling bullets approaching 200 grains. But even Ron talks constantly about how copper bullets allow you to step down in weight a class or two. Saying you bought a 308 win is certainly not the sexy choice when there is constantly talk of the newest hottest, modern cartridges, and I do like those. I have a 6.5PRC target rifle, and a 6mm Creedmoor. I also heard Randy Newberg talk about how much he uses the 308, and all this just makes me think the 308 does everything I could need within reason, while offering great ammo prices, availability, tons of rifle options and moderate recoil.

[@C.D.-tz6sk]

Got first high power...in 308 and I love the options it offers. First 5 shots at 100 yards .75" group!!!

[@TTT-du6oj]

Some really good info in this one.Great hearing some feedback from Ron’s better half👍

[@dannytravis7118]

Thank you for your opinions and insights. I always learn something

[@galenhisler396]

Love all your videos. Keep them coming !

[@donfrance3]

good info ... I generally learn something here

[@Getoutside.30-06]

I just bought some 130gr TTSX bullets for my .308!

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

That's what I'm running here in Idaho this season. Good luck!

[@mr.mr.3301]

Fixing to try that this year as well.

[@andrewmcmullen1388]

I'm trying them in my 06 this year. Pretty good accuracy and recoil is so light!

[@kevinfidler8074]

I put together 50 rounds of 130 grain ttsx recently, haven't shot them yet though. If you reload the barnes website has load data listings. There's even 110 grain ttsx 300 win mag load data, they list it around 3900 fps.

[@adamwiggins5777]

I love that round. Hit a big 10 point whitetail last year at 290 yard and had straight pass through. Deer piled up in the brush about 30 yards from impact

[@cgarrand78]

When a bear is charging you no you won't care about the cost of the ammo or even think about it but when you go out to practice with your 45-70(or whatever)to make sure you can hit a charging bear you will think about and worry about how much they cost.The cost might even cause you to not practice as much as you should.Love your show and everything you do Ron,thanks!

[@danmcallister437]

Hey Ron. Thanks for the free information as usual. Just a small correction for anyone interested, Sellier and Bellot is Czech, not Italian. I use them all the time and nave not had any issues, very happy with accuracy and terminal performance on African plains game.🇧🇼

[@WyattTKid]

Extremely coincidental i run into this video 2 weeks after i ordered these dame bullets for the '06. I am endlessly impressed with the variety and quality of the topics you cover in this channel, Ron. It really is unique and more helpful to us "tinkerers" than you know.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Wyatt. Glad I'm helping.

[@PeteWilliams-rs6pb]

Great man for the gun community and hunters. If don't like him don't watch him. I enjoy this very much. Thank u Ron.

[@myrthjt]

308 and 130 grain barnes TTSX are fantastic on white tail and black bears in my experience.

[@mimikeification]

I've been using 110gr txs & 130gr ttxs in my 30-06 for the last 20 years, I've only recovered 1

[@GuyGooding-q9o]

Thank you Ron and thank you Grant !! Maybe you are the man to write that screen play!! I've been reading your stories since the 70s & you've been drawing literary pictures for decades , thanks for that ! I thoroughly enjoy your videos & look forward to seeing the next one ! Cheers to you from Canada & good luck on your fall hunts .

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thank you, Guy!

[@aulusflavius9635]

I have a load that exactly mimics the Hornady reduced recoil .308. A 125 grain bullet at 2675. My wife uses that for her .308 and my godsons mother uses it for hers. The deer have never complained that these were too weak. ;)

[@lyndonhamby7432]

I love your show Ron 👍🏻🇺🇸

[@JimYeats]

At this point 130gr is becoming the norm in 308 because of copper bullets. Other than for longer range 600+ yard shooting, a 130gr Barnes TTSX boat tail will do anything you need and have better weight retention than a 150gr-168gr bullet. I actually recently loaded 110gr Barnes TTSX for my 308 Win, and it's a laser. Great option for a low recoil, high velocity deer round.

[@brianklamer3328]

Twist rates will need to be faster in new rifles chambered in old calibers to stabilize the all copper bullets of equal weight of lead core bullets.

[@JimYeats]

@@brianklamer3328 Yes and no. That’s why the weight is lower, to keep them the same length as other common bullets. The 130gr copper is about the same length as a 168gr lead core, and the 110gr copper is about the same length as a 150gr lead core. Approximately.

[@brianklamer3328]

We'll all get copper bullets shoved down our throats eventually by the government for hunting on public land though unfortunately.

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

Jim, what powder, coal, and starting powder charge on that 110gr barnes? I use 117gr hammer bullets in 270 58gr 4831sc 3.3 coal. Laser.

[@JimYeats]

@@travissmith-wz5nc 2.735” COAL, Accurate 2230, 47.7 grains. Winchester Magnum primer because that’s all I could find at the time. 3,120fps with a 16” barrel.

[@USAACbrat]

been shooting 300 BO using 130 varmint bullets, cheap and accurate. Speer

[@michaelwilson9986]

Well Done..spot on IHO on the 8mm to 35 Whelen ..can get a wee bit heavier bullet over the 8mm ..Would need to just about handload to get full potential. Thanks for the After Action Report on the B&C Cabbage.. Will have to remember n try the tips there. God Bless You n Yours.

[@duck-n-cover477]

1:05:13 Ron Spomer, crank turner extraordinaire!

[@mlwardssa]

Ron - with respect to your 7x57 and finding cartridges, you mention S&B. I know that you handload, so you might want to be aware that unless you are using a Co-Ax press, your standard shellholder wont fit the S&B case head. I've not reloaded any of my 7x57 S&B brass, but I have tried to put a case in a standard shellholder to see if it fits. Nope, the rim is a tad to big. From what I understand, a Lee No. 9 shellholder (for .41 Mag of all things) solves the problem. Just a heads-up. BTW, PPU (Prvi) cartridges are finally hitting the market again. They aren't the most accurate in any of my 7x57s (YMMV) but the brass is pretty good. I believe our old friend John Barsness uses quite a bit of it as well. In any event, another informative podcast. Thanks, as always. Mike in Florida.

[@michaelluft2732]

You give the best most informative videos i am and will stay a loyal follower and thank you for all you do and by the way i absolutly love your hat

[@Doc6mm]

308 120grain tipped Barnes @3200ft/sec makes a great light recoil deer load and is very effective with full pass through.

[@jfess1911]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, copper is less dense than lead, so like Ron mentioned, a 130 grain copper bullet will be close in size to a 150.grain cup and core. The copper bullet will likely penetrate better as well. As a rough rule of thumb, multiply the weight of a copper bullet by 1.15 to get an idea of the comparably-sized cup and core.

[@robertmajors1737]

Light for caliber mono bullets are a game changer for cartridges like the the needmore and the 308. I shoot the 100 grain ttsx and the 130 ttsx respectively, and they both get over 3100fps. These are magnum velocities out of true short action cartridges with a 22" and 20" barrel.

[@lrac7751]

Don’t have anything to add, just wanted to leave a comment to keep the algorithm updated

[@Mafiaal1]

My friends son took a doe with a 308 loaded with the 130 grain TSX, that bullet works awesome.

[@m444ss]

Ron, it strikes me as odd that so many people write in to say you don't know what you're talking about. I sometimes disagree with opinions you state, but those are only opinions (e.g., a cartridge preference). But when getting down to brass tacks I trust the depth and breadth of your experience to steer me in the right direction on matters of opinion and to be spot on regarding matters of fact (e.g., explaining exit pupil vis-à-vis scope selection). I really enjoy your videos and podcasts as they are both entertaining as well as informative. With that said, I want to add to your commentary on red dot sights for a bear protection rifle (starting around the 15-minute mark in Episode 382). I think red dots sights are fine for a defensive firearm. I have one on my personal defense pistol. Still, you make a great point about knocking the sight in the woods or thickets. Worse than knocking it off or breaking it, one might knock it out of alignment without knowing. A great alternative for those who don't want to rely on open sights is the rear peep sight. It's physiologically easier & quicker to aim with a peep sight than something like a buckhorn sight. My only cautions regarding peep sights would be (1) get one with wings protecting the sight that mounts atop the receiver rather than a precision target style that mounts on the side of the receiver, and (2) a larger aperture will be better for quick acquisition of a charging bear. PS - I'm not sure some of your listeners really understand just how fast a bear charges. The only helpful analogy I can offer is for folks to consider just how quickly they can get to 40 mph in their car or on a motorbike. Then consider that sometimes by the time someone in the back country realizes a bear is interested, it's already started its charge ...so even less time to react. Maybe Jerry Miculek could get off 15-20 shots before the bear makes contact, but I sure couldn't. Steve Flowery Branch, Georgia

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Excellent advice, m444ss. And thanks for your vote on confidence.

[@wadepederson8457]

I did see a short podcast where they were shooting 900 yards with the 22LR at a 2ft square target, they were on the ice and it took many rounds but they did hit it, and they did find the bullets just laying on on the ice unharmed and the ones that hit the steel target with little dents in the bullets at a crazy 45° angle but it was good for a laugh. They walked around and picked up their bullets, while some were out ice fishing and had a little curiosity. It was done safely, of course.

[@gabrielsalles-l6e]

I use a 100gr. in a 6.5x55 3000 fps +. works great!

[@TheXaelem]

Hi again. Tube diameter is only really important for shooters that dial their turrets and shoot over a high variety of different distances. Prs type or dmr type shooting for example. The bigger the tube diameter the bigger the amount of mills you can dial. Easy as that. If you hold over then 25mm tube will work just fine. Very little difference in light transmission if objective is the same size.

[@buckaroobonsi555]

Because we can now range targets with cheap and handy range finders the days of needing a super flat shooting cartridge. Most of us do not take shots further than 500 yards on game. So I too over the last 10 years have been comming around to using lighter bullets made of solid compper to get higher velocity and better terminal performance. 130gr. in solid copper in a 308 is a fantastic combo.

[@MrRdvs87]

I love the red dot on my 336 for short plots.

[@kerrygraham3544]

Here in Oz I use 130 TSX for Fallow Deer. This is out of a stubby barrel of a Miroku 308 lever action. I'm happy with the performance using AR2208 (Varget) with a muzzle velocity of 2900. The only criticism is the animal invariably travels a little way before expiring.

[@italian_badger1660]

hey mate, same with me. I've shot 3 fallow with a 130 ttsx. one was a cervical spine shot and it naturally died instantly. the other 2 ran 20m (heart shot) and 40m (double lung shot), but the blood trail was incredible both times.

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Interesting. NSW here, those should flatten fallow at a mile! I’ve moved to 300 Blackout, 110 Vmax for fallow, slip the ribs and pop the heart. 7-08 for sambar, nothing heavier than 130’s. No exits, just mush inside.

[@con9605]

Try the 130gr Speer ... its cheap as chips and knocks the stuffing out of fallow and even larger stuff.

[@msquared9605]

It’s a proven fact, speed kills. This past Saturday, I did my first ever hand loading. Starline brass, 49.2 grains varget, Remington 9.5 large primers, 130 grain 308 ttsx. Out of my 16” sig cross I got an average of 2965fps. I’ve done most of my whitetail hunting with the 270 and to my knowledge, with 24” barrel those 130 grains are flirting with 3000psi. So I’m essentially getting the same performance but with a modular, compact, aesthetically pleasing, and suppressed rifle

[@AlienMetals]

Flirting with 3000fps? With a 24" barrel and a max load of TAC or BLC(2) you should be around 3250 fps with a .308. That's an excellent hunting bullet in .308 for a multitude of game.

[@msquared9605]

@@AlienMetals the flirting with 3000 was talking about my 270win with 130 grain bullet. At least that’s the box posted velocity. My 308 loading is with a 16” barrel and it’s very close to 3000

[@johnparker9139]

I’ve reloaded 125 grain psp in 3006. It crushes deer!

[@glennllewellyn7369]

The 110gr Vmax turns things inside out.

[@trihall2273]

It's Elk season here in the rockies . My long range is Christensen arms nos 28.175 a.b.l.r. and Winchester 73 348 200 grn leveroution ftx for the dark timber

[@louisgiokas2206]

Funny about that heart shot comment, especially concerning deer. The last deer I took was a heart shot. There was a tremendous amount of blood. A veritable cloud. I was hunting in Illinois where we had to use shotguns. I have a Savage 210 (first model) shooting 3" Winchester Partition Golds. The shot was about 150 or more yards. The deer just popped up and fell right down. I have had other similar situations.

[@chriswimberly8060]

Great informative video

[@Fiddib]

Uncle Ron. 😬 My wife just shot a blue wildebeest at 180m with her 308 20” barrel 1:10 with the Nosler Accubond 150. It ran 5M to the left, 5M to the right and that was it. (We live in South Africa). The guys here shoots almost everything with 308’s. Yes of course the other calibers like 30-06, 270, etc are also popular but over here, nobody really cares about the caliber if it is one of the popular ones. We are way more interested in whether the hunter puts in the effort to do proper shot placement under all conditions. I think way too much emphasis is placed on caliber. Over here, if you have lets say a 308 and a 375 for example you are all good for 99% of all hunts. People really should rather spend money on good optics and work on their shooting.

[@Murphy_13507]

Lazedoni is read many time are 65000psi Under 66. They are out of this world. I imagine the recoil is also. I could be wrong on the psi but I remember that’s what I read about them

[@Strategic-Management]

I'm glad I have my 18" .308 AR10. It's a great deer rifle that I'm getting plenty of hours behind and running. Very important you can truly work with your rifle.

[@NewTraditionalists]

32 for grizzly? Good luck with that. Might survive but odds are more favorable that you’ll earn a Darwin Award. I would at least, bare minimum, take my S&W M&P 5.6-inch compensated barrel 10mm.

[@jacttackle57]

Great subject I have a marlin rifle in 308 that loves factory nosler 130 ballistic tips at 200 yards shoots 1/2” groups it has taken elk,deer,and lots of coyotes put the bullet in the right place and they fall fast

[@ilijadjenic5565]

SELLIER AND BELLOT WITH spce mark is top buller...soft point cating edge bullet.. S I B also product a bullet with a brass tip...loks like fmj,and PTS BULLET,WHICH MEANS PLASTIC TYPE SPECIAL...GREEN TYPE....S ans B WERY DOOD AND FAST AMO.... GOOD VIEV mr.SPOMER!!!!!!!

[@HunterForEver12]

You are right about that, I saw them all, I just couldn't find PTS in Bosnia....

[@thomaswall4285]

Oh this is crazy! I'm 65 and I don't know weather to consider you my Grandpa or my older friend hahahaha!! the compliment here is I knew my Great and my Grand and you have some of the same qualities that they did. Different but the same. Your knowledge is what does it i'm sure. Be well Dang I would love to hunt with you!

[@NONEYAZ]

Ron: It Is All Irrelevent Unless You Can Find The Appropriate Caliper/Weight Grain Ranged Bullets/Ammo To Scope Reticle With: B.D.C, Vertical Auto Ranging Laddar, Wind Holds, Etc, To Utilize Any Calibers Capabilities! It's Why Even As A Young Whooper Snapper My First H.G: Was The American Do It All, .357 Magnum And First Rifle Was A, .308/7.62X51mm Hate, Of Which I Love To This Day, All Around Wise! Utilized From: Military, Hunters, Reloaders, Various Class Competitions, And Lots Of Ammo Availability, Etc! Of Course I Moved On From .357 Magnum To 9X19mm, Due To Powders And Bullet Technologies Advancements! (Since, I Don't Hunt With A H.G. Anymore!). With .308 Hate, I Wouldn't Want To Take It To Battle/War, Since I'm Older Now! Unless It's An M110A1/AR-10/.308 Platform And We're Battling: Giants, Large Beasts, Or Evil Abominations Of Some Crazy Sort! Although, If We're Battling Humanoids, I Believe An: AR-15 In .223/5.56, Would Probably Be A Better Choice, And A 12 Gauge Shotty For Very Upclose And Too Personal Back-Up! GOD Bless, Pa-Pow, Amen! 😎 🙉🙊🙈 🇺🇸

[@224valk4]

I load 90 grain speer tnt's in 6.5 creed also 95 grain vmax. I use them on prairie dogs. They absolutely explode pdogs!! The light bullets in 6.5 are over 3300 fps!

[@scottzipperer6146]

Ocala forest in central Florida has so many bears its ridiculous most no there place but ive had stubborn bores challenge me 45-70 is my brush gun

[@ericparadise3347]

Hey, I agree with most of what you say

[@musicmanhunter1]

my favorite scope out to 500 yards is the trij 2.5 x 10 x 56mm have them on many calibers even a few 30 30's up to 300wsm, but i am gun poor lol then the other way is the trig 1 x 4 x24mm

[@gregorysanders8937]

I have developed a load for my 308 using 125gr nosler accubond, starline brass, win. 748 powder, federal match large rifle primers. Out of a 20 inch barrel im getting 3050fps. Deviating on white tail. I prefer high shoulder shot. For 250 yards or less its awesome. If im going heavy gr 30 cal. Id go to 300 win mag. With suppressor or a brake.

[@Soxfan8549]

I love my Barnes 130gr 308 factory ammo.

[@bradleyhayne]

hey Ron there is six different brands and load weights of 7x57 available on the midway usa website . ALso 130g in 308 is a very popular load for pigs in australia .

[@jeffreyadams5017]

Hey Ron I also thought about the Browning blr in 300 wsm, I think it comes in that caliber and the new weatherby 338 rpm also is made in a more compact version.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

300 WSM is great choice. Ditto 338 RPM.

[@DaleBange-n8i]

Ron, one thing I haven't heard you mention is the lens coating on scopes. I've always believed that a more expensive scope with good lens coatings and a not so big objective lens, will be brighter than a cheaper scope with inferior lens coatings, and a big objective lens.?

[@Bones6987]

I been using 180grain bullets in the 308 and 30-06 and 300win mag and 308 Norma Shew that’s a lot of different calibers and yeah I know the 308 can do pretty much anything I will ever need to do But What’s the Fun in that (Do you only have one fishing pole???😂)

[@fromthefarmvideos6411]

Been using the .308 with the 130gr HP Speer over IMR 4064 for over 30 yrs on Western Pa. white tail. Longest shot 430yds. Bullet never exits. DRT...

[@calebdavis3110]

Bowl armory makes a wonderful 460 Smith & Wesson lever action and red dot mounts That would make the best bear gun with a Smith & Wesson revolver pairing in the same caliber, which means you could take moose and elk. Also using a 410 buckshot or birdshot in the same guns (They just have to be shorter reloaded shells like 2.5 inches long) for bird and rabbit. These are the kind of thing you can use for taking one gun or one caliber and doing every scenario.

[@sethperry1323]

I have a ar15 "pistol" chambered in 450 bushmaster.... I would take that any day over a 45-70..

[@slimpickens2243]

Ron.....i was shooting dime size groups with my new 10dollar rifle using 22 ammo at 40cents a box before you were walking. And still have that rifle and 7 other 22rf rifles and pistols and revolvers with 60000 rounds of ammo. The guys at Cabelas were laughing their arse off when i mentioned 21 SHARP today. I also have 7 22mag rifles, revolvers and pistols and moa at 100yds easy. For smaller i have 17hrm putting holes in bottle caps and my favorite, 2. 17 hornet rifles that punches out pdogs all day at 300yds. The crows stay half a mile from me. The 17 hornet is easy and cheap to reload. Suppressors all around. I get 6 gator tags each year and you can snipe them. Fmj 22mag works great. Boy have you drank the kool aid. If they want to go loco in California then more power to em. I have shot truck loads of lead bullets and shot on my property and have eagles, much small game, plenty river otters, nutria, ducks, you name it. Never ever found a lead dead critter. So you selling barrels also? Only one of my 22s cost over 200 bucks So likely i will be banned from hell do to all the lead in my arse melting. I do have a 6.5 creed as i was gifted 40 boxes of ammo. Yet to shoot the damn thing. I doubt you would ever buy a box of that winchester 21 sharp. You strike me as a guy who snaps every dollar. Oh and was cop in undergrad school and shot in the leg. 2 bit drug dealer. All the best. WAK.PHD

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Slim, sounds as if you've been having good times with your rifles and are a deadly shot. Nevertheless, there are thousands of shooters in CA, OR, and soon additional jurisdictions who will not be allowed to hunt game with their 22s or 17s shooting lead bullets. The 21 Sharp has been created merely to give them a viable option. I sure miss the days of 50-cents a box 22 LR ammo!

[@slimpickens2243]

Ron, i hope you took that in the good humor i meant. You and i both know of cartridges, introduced with much hype, just to die on vine. I was born in a barn, dirt poor, and lucky enough to be able to work my butt of to make a little pile of money, more than a little i guess. My father bought his 40ac farm for 6 bucks an acre in 1926 and a fox double barrel for 26 bucks. He grew up in the sticks but had to move to town in 1908 to get a job in a refinery meeting a 14yo French girl who he married 6 mos later. But the farm called along with quail hunting. My earliest job was picking up debris behind the mules and plough. I was trusted shooting with a 22 at age 9 shooting those big chicken snakes as they tried to eat bird chick's out of dad's pole mounted bird houses. Now I pop them with 22mag shot shells (mum is the word cuz I live in country club) no golfing but wifey is happy. I do have 20acs in sticks for teaching gkids to shoot their Henry rifles. I bought about 25 custom Henry's before Mr Anthony had to shut that down. Last one I got was the precision 22mag. Lives up to hype. I really envy where you live. Only good game birds we have are quail and dove. Oh to take a shot at pheasant or grouse. Only use 20ga as dad did, even geese never knew. Maybe I will be able to buy 22rf rifles and ammo cheap from those poor ppl. They need to think before voting. I did get to meet Reagan,Ford, Carter, Bush1 and Bush2. Hope you have great holidays. SLIM

[@PrairieWolf45-u5p]

There might be a (admittedly boutique) AR solution for grizzly protection. An AR platform in .458 SOCOM or 450 bushmaster with a tough 350-405 grain bullet very similar to a .45-70. Could be a fast option with the red dot and semiauto with 5-10 round capacity. I wouldn't rule out ARs completely. They're not all 5.56.

[@richardanderson4916]

Can you do a review of the Ruger Scout, bolt action .308?

[@jeffreyadams5017]

Your right about the 45.70 for bears that you can also take your moose or caribou or elk. The 30.06 in that Browning blr with a good bullet. I thought about the 35 whelen. Is it made in a compact maneuverable rifle?

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

I'm not sure who's all chambering 35 Whelen. Not many.

[@kw03hanel82]

Ron, You mentioned you are having trouble find 7x57 ammo. Norma is making good 7x57 ammo right now and it’s available on GunBroker for a decent price. It’s 150 grain ammo and it shoots well in my rifles.

[@davidheath2427]

Hi Ron just wondering if you could explain a bit about the old 32/20 . Have just inherited an old lever action. But don't know anyting about them .

[@jfox71]

Shot my first pronghorn out by Lemmon too.

[@benschildgen4994]

I agree with your opinion on heavy bullets for grizzly bears. The AR doesn't seem practical however, I would wonder if the 8.6mm Blackout would be practical in an AR platform?

[@michaelcrawford7637]

Hey Ron Michael Crawford here I was wondering if you could talk about the 303 Enfield cartridge and does it still measure up to today's new cartridges ?

[@CHIGGER83357]

I was thinking about that the other day. I hope he does a comparison.

[@cryptidsearchinvestigations]

Just an FYI. There are rounds that an AR will fire that are in the 3000 ft pound range. Seems like a good choice for bears, and you don't have to remember to work the bolt or lever.

[@tycook300]

22lr v soda cans out to 450 yards Mark and Sam after work

[@firestorm8471]

Addendum to my last post.. My .50 caliber CVA Optima would qualify as a Magnum I guess. With its max 150 grain powder charge it just bests a 7mm Magnum in power. It also kicks like hell so I sighted it in at 100 yards with 100 grains of 777. That is still enough power for pretty much anything that walks on land. I have dropped more white tail than I can remember with it. Several dozen I guess.

[@lenzadlberger]

130gn Barnes TTSX in 308 works well even on bigger Game 😉 130gn TTSX is as long as a traditionel 150gn Cup&Core

[@jameswhitaker1324]

I see your Mauser bolt gun and I raise you an m1 Garand. I mean, let be serious, a bolt gun will, generally speaking, chamber a higher pressure round than a lever gun (with honorable mentions going to savage and browning) but a self loading rifle will always best a bolt gun. But since we’re talking about hunting, you can still do well with a falling block or even a muzzle loader. I’ve heard that people have even taken game with self bows, spears and slings. FWIW, several of my hunting rifles are Mausers.

[@dimmuborgir1066]

SGAmmo and Target Sports USA have S&B 150 grain copper loads in 7x57 that work well for me on hogs. I have a Churchill Mauser in 7x57 which is just a rebarreled/chambered Kar98k in a Fajen stock.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thanks Dimmu. I found these same loads on Ammunition Depot last week. Grabbed a couple of boxes. We'll see how they shoot soon!

[@duck-n-cover477]

49:00 ...folks, if you're going to compare cartridges, start by selecting equivalent bullet construction and sectional density, THEN compare.