Eps 391: Questioning the New 21 Sharp and Beyond!

[@JohnSmith-f6o]

The Winchester Model 71 can stir my imagination by simply looking at it. The rifle, the cartridge, the era it was introduced in, all fit together to speak of adventure.

[@clintivy623]

Truly revolutionary for its time.

[@JohnSmith-f6o]

What angers many shooters is that at the same time gun and ammo manufacturers are introducing new cartridges by the dozens, they can't even come close to meeting demand for the old classics that people want. They make money on any ammo they sell, why don't they focus on meeting demand for current cartridges 1st? Also it does shooters a disservice to introduce to many new cartridges knowing that many of them will fade away soon leaving shooters with guns and no ammo to shoot.

[@redbeard123]

The falling asleep comments make me laugh. You do have a soothing voice reminds me of my late grandfather but I have never fell asleep listening to you always enjoy your content mr ron.

[@thomasdaum1927]

Hey Ron remember when the 6.5x284 came out ? It was the be all , do all , best thing since sliced bread cartridge that ever was . Now you can hardly find one . Will the ( 21 ) have the same fate ???…… Thanks for all your hard work for us !……

[@mehtevas2653]

22 lr lead is still legal to hunt with in Minnesota.

[@heretic134]

Hey ron my brand new 460 weatherby came in and am very excited also got my first suppressor to put on the end of it as well

[@chadmorrison5094]

Hey Ron, love the shows! I have been working on a collection of larger bore Marlin (JM stamped barrel). I have 30-30, my favorite 35 remington, 45-70, and just picked up a 375 winchester. But I know very little about the 375 win. other than its an updated cartridge of I believe 38-55. What is close to in more modern cartridges. Ammo is almost as hard to find as the 35 remington, luckily I do reload. Thanks Ron, look forward to what you have to say about it.

[@drakeslocum2564]

Love my 35 Whelen with 200 grain Barnes TTSX!

[@jaydunbar7538]

I don’t know why people toss a fit about the 21 win, if you don’t want one don’t buy it. For those who want better ballistics and to use all copper projectiles it’s a great fit. we will find out if the ammunition can be made at a affordable price over the next few years but for those required to use copper already the 22 ammunition is expensive as well so it changes nothing cost wise and gives better ballistics.

[@jameswhitaker1324]

1:07:59 hey Ron Pavlov, nice bell you’re got there😂

[@mikehobbs7421]

The .270win with a 136gr federal terminal accent is the new perfect balance in the 270. Shoots great in my tikka t3x ! 🍻

[@TimothyTerrell-o2o]

You want us to shoot copper bullets ? Produce cartridges in 22 bore and rechamber for it. And we reuse our barrels. Mags are cheeper then barrels. Reamers are reusable for multiple barrels. Which is cost effective. 22 mag already has larger diameter. Winchester already manufactures 22 mag .

[@Marcus-jg4jb]

It really surprised me that Winchester went 21, instead of going with a shortened 22 mag.

[@jameswhitaker1324]

1:02:03 I had a question for wdfw once about limits for the sockeye fishery on lake Washington. I was reading the regs for the sockeye opener and there was a limit of two and you had to release under 16” but there was a limit of five for trout. A sockeye under 16” is a Kokanee under Washington regs and that’s a trout. They transferred me to a wildlife biologist and after explaining, they sat there on the phone for a few seconds and finally said, ‘huh, I guess you’re right. I don’t know how we missed that.’ I don’t remember the exact size limits, but that was pretty much it. For people perhaps not familiar, the Kokanee is a resident, non sea run version of a sockeye. There is (or used to be) a limited opener for sockeye, but the Kokanee are pretty much always there.

[@IRishbuck58]

Entertaining and informative Great job👍

[@GunGuyMatt]

Ron, the frustration regarding the 21 Sharp is not about hating on a new cartridge. Look how people adore the 7mm PRC, when the 7mm Rem Mag is doing it already. We're mad about the 21 Sharp because these ammo companies can not keep up with their old promises of ammo supply.

[@jfess1911]

Some rifles work best with "old style" flat-base bullets with moderate ogives. The relatively short nose and relatively long shank seem to help with some problem rifles. Similar weight bullets with boat tails and long ogives have a shorter bearing length against the bore/rifling and can be more picky in some rifles. The increased amount of weight on both ends of the shorter bearing surface makes them more likely to be at a slight angle when they hit the rifling. This in-barrel tilt, even though it is very small, is enough to increase shot dispersion. One of the reasons that many cartridges (especially newer ones, like the 6.5 Creedmoor) have a section of tight cylindrical freebore* prior to the taper into the rifling is to assure that the bullet is lined up with the bore before hitting the rifling. The typical 30-06 does not have this type of "match-style" chamber and can be a bit more picky. Unfortunately the occasional barrel from any manufacturer just won't shoot small groups. For most hunting, even an inch and a half group is good enough, though. *clearance is often a thousandth of an inch or less. It's half a thou for the Creedmoor.

[@cervus-venator]

Hi Ron, that question by Ben hunting in Grizzly country was interesting because of the bears getting more aggressive during hunting season when the meat is available. In Georgia over that past 35 years our coyote populations have continued to grow. I remember hunting in the 80's and never hearing a coyote or even hearing of coyotes in the state. In the past 10 years it has become so bad that we've had guys shoot a deer that may run 20 to 40 yards off in the brush and before the hunter could get to the deer the coyotes had already chewed on it. It is almost as if they associate the shot with fresh meat. I'm wondering if the Grizzly out there are doing the same. It is just a thought based on what you mentioned in the Podcast. As always thanks for the podcast as it stimulates a lot of thought concerning all things hunting.

[@davidruppel1216]

Good show Ron. Good info as always!

[@Helfirearms]

26:18 in Minnesota you are required to use non toxic shotshells for waterfowl but that is the only non toxic requirement

[@mehtevas2653]

That's a federal regulation for all migratory game birds

[@Helfirearms]

@ yep, just wanted to point out that he called out Minnesota as one of the non toxic/lead free law states multiple times and it is not

[@JohnSmith-f6o]

Jimmy Stewart shot in the contest to win the Winchester 73 rifle in the movie "Winchester 73". The movie revolves around all the people who get their hands on that rifle.

[@dennisfaulkner5470]

Herb Parsons made that shot!! 😊

[@brandonturner3681]

Not against new things for new rounds I live in Colorado but see the no lead trend and have tried the CCI all copper 22 works just fine on rabbits and grouse

[@bigfastdodge]

21 will have a huge application for long range rimfire guys

[@The_Cowboy_Hunter_Podcast]

Using a varmint bullet is acceptable, if you’ve done your research and due diligence. The biggest thing is you have to know that bullet likely won’t be exiting, so you have to know blood isn’t going to come out as well with one hole. A lot of guys also like structure shots because that’s about incapacity vs lethal and that every shot that stops a deer from running will be fatal, but not every lethal shot was ok stop them from running so hitting structure and a quick follow up will do the job. Now not everyone prescribes to that thought and they still get deer so it’s just about research and good choices. If I get the opportunity with having 2 buck tags and 13 antlerless I may use multiple rifles to take them out depending on the hunting location. I’ve got a 28 Nosler running 160 ballistic tips, 25-06 running a tipped Barnes bullet, .308 running 110 varmageddons which are a flat back tipped vatmint bullet with a fairly solid construction built on expansion as opposed to explosion, , and I’ve got a couple customs on the way I haven’t had time to work with. All of these shoot one ragged hole three shot groups and I would certainly trust them all including the varmint bullet to do the job.

[@jaydunbar7538]

MN does not have a lead bullet ban. It’s only in Scientific and Natural Areas and MN state parks.

[@kylorlove9401]

Do you think the .21 Sharp will be a better option in semi-auto rimfires due to the non-heeled bullets being more secure in the casing. Those cheap .22’s love to break apart after being dropped or jamming

[@wyattallen9289]

Ron i love the show i just got an old Mosin carbine what’s your thoughts on the old 7.62x54r for deer and bear hunting

[@TimothyTerrell-o2o]

Hay bright news. Manufactur the cals that already exist. Redesign the ammunition not the guns. Changing caliber to sell more guns ? not.

[@sethperry1323]

That stuff that sticks to the roof of your mouth is suet.... they mix that crap in at the locker... u have to specifically tell them to NOT use suet.. usually we use beef fat if u want some fat...

[@Greyzonecompliant]

I have a 22lr a 17hmr and a 22 wmr. Have no need for a 21 Sharp. Just like i dont need the 17 mach2 or the 17 wsm, even if they are good cartridges. But many good cartridges has faded in the shadow of the timeless old classics, the "untouchables" (308,30-06,22LR,270win etc)

[@The_Cowboy_Hunter_Podcast]

It’s 2024 the Mach 2 is literally obsolete, that’s not a statement about better cartridges , that’s about the fact that there are several nitro piston pellet guns that have better ballistics and both the rifles and ammo cost less.

[@Rusty-Brown_]

********* I LOVE THE 21 SHARP IT IS A SMALL 22 MAG I HAVE A 10-22 AND IM GONNA DO A BARREL SWAP AS SOON AS THEY COME AVAIBLE !!!!!! ** GEIOUS IDEA

[@vincethewoodlander]

For the guy that lost his hunting partners bc new kids: befriend an older guy whose kids are moving outta the house and organized his life and marriage as you would like in the future. You'll learn from his mistakes and he's not hindered from obligation.

[@waynelovejr.1005]

Ron, I have used a Nosler 165gr. partition bullet in my 30.06 handloads for years while hunting deer and antelope. I thought this bullet might work better than a 150gr. In case I ran afoul of a bear. In your opinion, would that 165gr. Nosler suffice in an unexpected bear encounter?

[@jmc041071]

Hi Ron, on the topic of Hammer bullets, I have a Remington 700 in .270 Winchester. I really want to shoot cartridges loaded with Hammer bullets. I do not hand load however. I know Hammer has a partnership with Weatherby and are loaded in that brand, but that is the only brand that i know of that does it. Do you know of another manufacturer that loads Hammer bullets in their factory ammunition? Now I know that Hammer bullets are known for their long, heavy, high BC bullets. My .270 will not shoot those, but, I've seen normal length .270 bullets on Hammer's website that say they can be used in the standard 1:10 twist barrel which is what mine is. I have emailed Hammer asking this question a while back but have never heard back from them. Thanks Ron and Betsy!

[@jackelinemeter8914]

Without innovation in cartridge technology we would still be shooting black powder rifles! We should all welcome and support these companies that help us exercise our freedom

[@chrisheitstuman6360]

I don't mind the innovation, which is a good thing. But for a cartridge to take off, the company will have to be able to sell the rifles and ammunition at a price point that makes it worth the change for anyone who has a .22 while filling all of its roles. Creating niche cartridges is difficult as most of your customer base are in places that are having more restrictions placed on hunting and fewer opportunities to hunt. For a companies bottom line, that is a hell of a gamble.

[@edwardkierstead4558]

Hey got a question I currently own a 6.5 creedmore and a 308 and looking for a new rifle to reach way out and that would seem to round out my rifles. I hunt white tail,mule deer, and Barbary sheep out of west Texas

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

7mm Rem Mag or PRC, 6.5-300 Wby, 6.8 Western are good options.

[@edwardkierstead4558]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors what would u recommend between 6.8 and 7prc? Stuck between those 2

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

@@edwardkierstead4558 Toss up. I'd choose based on preferred rifle size/length. Short action vs long. Ballistically they are razor close. The 7 will accommodate longer, heavier bullets, but the 6.8 with 170- and 175-gr. is more than sufficient for all North American game.

[@MichaelLucas-c6u]

1 of 1000 win 73

[@dinoquintana4319]

My older brother worked at the state penetentary for 25 yrs the death penalty was in effect during the early yrs..my brother asked me once what i would choose as my last meaĺ if i were on death row.easÿ mule deer ǰerky plane salted and a sixpack of miller beer..mule deer is verÿ underated as a premium meat.

[@jameswhitaker1324]

26:00 I know that Elmer Keith caused the death of a number of eagles due to lead poisoning, but that was back when the direct injection method was still legal.

[@Rusty-Brown_]

******* I JUST FINNALY FOUND A 280 BARREL FOR MY REM **** .280 ***** 700 YEA !!!!!!!!!! **********

[@jasonrogers143]

No more lead is coming in all calibers soon all over 🤷🏻 solid copper just fine I bet

[@linkbond08]

30-06 is best girl

[@robertbroxson4582]

As far as the haters. Some people just have nothing better to do than to complain. Most people don’t realize how fortunate we are to have the freedoms we have. No one is telling anyone that they have to go purchase a new rifle or new barrel. All they are doing is offering other calibers and rifles. Good grief

[@evangelositskos8718]

What pikatini rail did u put on your browing blr

[@timhood6970]

Why not just make Copper Bullets for the .22, then you can use the gun you already have!

[@The_Cowboy_Hunter_Podcast]

He discussed in the specific video that they tried, but the. 22LR is a shouldered bullet and the design didn’t work with some of those all copper bullets, but you could use the same diameter case and neck the bullets down to 21 caliber and slide the copper bullets in so that’s the way they went.

[@timhood6970]

@@The_Cowboy_Hunter_Podcast more like they could sell guns instead of just bullets!

[@The_Cowboy_Hunter_Podcast]

@ sure everyone is trying to well more and often you’ve gotta come up with something new to do that, also it was discussed that a meeting cartridge was just easier to make with lead bans in mind. And honestly even if they did copper only 22LR I bet they’d find a way to make it just as expensive and make the product less successful.

[@paulmartin1583]

I’m very exited about this 21 sharp.always feel bad about spilling lead everywhere.didn’t know about oregon where I live.

[@Russ1tonram]

.17 wsm 15 grain are Californa compliant.

[@jameswhitaker1324]

20:31 I’m sure he has everyone else in the country club fooled, after all .22 magnum and 20ga hardly make any sound at all, lol.

[@MichaelLucas-c6u]

Knife like a custom. Job I would take the 35 whelen. I hope you never sell scents just spreads disease I think so brace yourself buddy tradgady is acommin

[@stephenaustin5692]

He'll you can make a 22 coper bullets that is bunch of bull shit just try to get more money out of people.

[@jlgis77]

come on ron.....use the mic.....

[@TimothyTerrell-o2o]

Don't go 270 . There is something wrong with the caliber. It has pressure issues.280 and 06 are good choices they don't have that problem. A lot of old guy will hate this comment ,but they are not looking at they're casings.

[@csguerdet]

Are you the only one with this information???

[@galenhisler396]

What are you talking about, I've never had any problems with a 270 win. My dad did lots of reloading and shooting with 270 win. Maybe I miss what you are saying .