Are Suppressors Good or Bad for Hunters and Hunting? | The MeatEater Podcast

[@shawnwillis7561]

Their good. Repeal the NFA

[@natemiller448]

That was in the Top 10 of anything Meateater has ever done going back to 2012. I honestly didn't expect it. Having the audiologist involved was great. I appreciated her speaking accurately about SPL and the what dB means at the ear. The Silencer Central guys did great. Thank you all for doing a great job at breaking the "stigma" around Suppressors. Not "silencers"

[@jonathanallen2530]

"Silencer Central" "Not a silencer 😡"

[@JL-pj6kk]

Listen, technical and industrial term is Suppressor. But Hiram Percy Maxim, the inventor of the item, used the word Silencer in both marketing and the Patent for the product. This isn’t like calling a magazine a clip. It’s just a change in term. Furthermore Silencer is a defined legal term. I use the words interchangeably. And will continue to do so mostly because of the history of silencers. Silencer isn’t politically correct, it’s a word that disturbs the mind of people that don’t know about them. And, it can cause the mind of the uninitiated to start thinking when they might not have otherwise.

[@mikeboyer1114]

I agree, great podcast, especially having the audiologist on.

[@adamthomas7250]

Legally they are silencers. Read the law

[@natemiller448]

@adamthomas7250 That is the problem. i know the law quite well, friendo. Silencers as a term have been demonized by the LAW and Hollywood to associate them with crime.

[@DanteRedfield88]

As someone who already has hearing loss, it would be great to have the ability for a doctor to prescribe a suppressor in order to assist with preserving the hearing I have left.

[@brucearchambault6774]

I'm packing for a pronghorn hunt right now, we've got 5 landowner voucher tags, so 5 shots, no suppressors. I don't ever hunt with ear pro, I just shoot with it. I just added ear pro for all of us thanks to this episode - appreciate you covering this topic. I've already got some permanent hearing loss in my right ear from when my dad fired a 7mm magnum by my ear when I was 12 when we were out hunting, I'm 39 now. It's not too late for me to protect my 9 year oldest hearing. Thanks again!

[@bertgoesoutdoors3168]

I recently took a mule deer in Utah opening day of the rifle hunt with a suppressed 30-06. As we were packing the animal out, other hunters in the area were appreciative of the fact that we didn’t scare the other deer out of the drainage we were hunting. I only hunt suppressed now

[@ryandearing5456]

The lack of response from the animals is the biggest game changer in hunting, I think.

[@1bobharvey]

Granted I live in Alaska were game animals are less habituated to people, but supressors don't impact fair chase. Firstly the shot is out of the barrel, assuming you don't miss the "chase" is over before sound gets there. Second the bow hunting argument is a fair one, yes the range is generally lower but my last 3 big game animals (with a rifle) were under 100 yards because alders suck. Thirdly all 3 of those big game animals I shot with a muzzel breaked 30-06 and instantly got the ear ring for 30+ seconds because ear plugs were the last thing on my mind. I now have 3 supressors since this spring I rung my ears popping a bear and decided I dont want hearing aids. There is always gonna be a sonic crack, it's harder for the critter to know where you shot from but the do know you shot. If you shoot subs, then sure it's quiet, but you are also shooting far shorter range. Just my 2 cents.

[@heavy6355]

Suppressors should be treated like what they are which is an attachment for a rifle.

[@crawlingrocket116]

Suppressor AND earplugs/-muffs at the range. It's a no brainer. Usually just the suppressor when hunting, but it really depends on the kind of hunt.

[@paulbernitt4280]

Suppressors hide muzzle flash, improve velocity, reduce sound, capture toxic gas, and reduce recoil. What's not to like for hunters in a hunting scenario? They don't silence a gun like in John Wick movies.

[@slyleprecon5521]

Flow through is the way to go.

[@Calaveras32Spcl]

I have never heard about "improve velocity" before. Maybe you can help me understand that better?

[@votive7478]

​@Calaveras32Spcl I think they just act as an extension of the barrel so it allows more time for the combustion/expansion of the gasses behind the bullet.

[@paulbernitt4280]

@@Calaveras32Spcl Attaching a suppressor to your barrel allows more time for the combustion gases to act upon the bullet and propel the projectile with greater force.

[@Calaveras32Spcl]

@@paulbernitt4280 I had never heard that before. I was my understanding that gas was flowing into the baffles and were not doing much to the slug. Guess I learned something new.

[@thomasmattern8679]

Correction. New York sucks ALL the time.

[@ryanlootens2649]

And Illinois…

[@joeldueck7721]

Amen

[@poboy6704]

And New Jersey

[@nbayl001]

When it comes to wildlife and habitat, NY is really solid. In regards to 2A, there aren’t enough likes and thumbs up to describe how much NY sucks

[@Ryan_Castillo]

Have you visited before?

[@hunterjaco347]

Also, I don’t know if y’all have covered it, but is what y’all’s thoughts on wildlife overpasses on highways, do y’all think it would help in anyway? The effects?

[@hunterjaco347]

I’ve become a pretty big fan of this podcast. I like how y’all cover hunting of course, but also all the other in depth topics associated with hunting/ nature and effects of policy, game conservation, politics, etc. good stuff 👍

[@joshmatty1077]

I like how these guys talk about tags and this and that, I can't even draw a good tag in my state but some how these guy get great tags to make these TV shows

[@theblishknovk]

They prob just pay the money for all the hard tags in all 50 states and then travel to the ones they get. Could be wrong though.

[@WD-41469]

⁠@@theblishknovkI believe that’s what Steve said on one of the hunts, blanket applications. Also said that there’s tags in which ones chances improve, based on how many years you’ve applied. Idk I’m not a hunter. Yet.

[@levonstilson9032]

@@WD-41469Go hunt insider is critical man. I started hunting 4/5 years ago and it has really helped me navigate opportunities.

[@corally]

Hi from Sweden, i have silencers on all my hunting rifles, because, well because why not? The only disadvantage is the weight (but they make them in titanium now if you have the money). Reduced recoil, reduced noise for you, your buddies and your dog. A silencer does not take away the need for hearing protection, as it is still way louder than what is good for you. But it wont blow out your ears immediately. So hunting i´ll go without because in the best case it´s only 1 shot. At the range i use hearing protection.

[@todddelevan9488]

37 minutes in... I fully think my flinch its always the muzzle report not the recoil. And her point about teeth transmitting sound is on point. One and only time I shot a .458 Win Mag I honestly thought my teeth were knocked loose.

[@fergusonlandmanagementweld1039]

We make bows as quiet as possible. Is that not against far chase?

[@mariohernandez-hj8ol]

Distance and speed of the arrow, is the reason why a bow has to be as quiet as possible.

[@TheLine9292]

I would vote for the hearing protection act! Has it gained any momentum?

[@Ken-s7c]

With shotguns I would think an integrally suppress barrel would be good start with being able to compensate sighting with your vent rib and shift some weight back

[@daviddemand6856]

I struggled with getting ear protection in/on our young children’s ears in a timely and effective manner to make a shot when hunting. We lost out on so many opportunities to harvest due to this. I purchased a SilencerCo Harvester and couldn’t be any happier! Not only do the kids get opportunities now, but have made a following shot without blowing game out of the property when shooting. Suppressors make everyone much happier when shooting due to all benefits they provide!

[@Swngflwr]

Thanks for talking about the Idaho situation! We need to figure out how to allow landowners to keep the tag system as an incentive for best practices but have safeguards against bidding wars for tags.

[@tyb3938]

30 DB loss in my left year, hunting and shooting in my younger years without hearing protection. We purchased a suppressor last year, game changer. So much accurate without blast, ears dont ring and less recoil. Now we run airpod pro which has 27 db protection yet you can hear everything good, combined w suppressor, barely notice gun go office

[@redwade7803]

I could watch her talk all day...

[@kurtjohnson4426]

Are mufflers bad for automobile drivers?

[@mgb1974]

Steven Von Rinella

[@tomwinterfishing9065]

In the UK doesn’t have a gun culture, but the suppressor culture is thriving! 😂

[@alexandercluster3003]

😂😂

[@WD-41469]

Good one

[@georgiabowhunter]

Silencers are a must for hearing protection while hunting. I have three sons who I take hunting and always use a silencer no matter which rifle we use.

[@chrismarshall4486]

I wasn’t going to jump in and comment but the game wardens are only worried about the welfare of the animals. It’s just like any law enforcement. Money. Like you said the animal gets hit with the bullet before they hear the shot. But yeah law enforcement just wants to keep their jobs easier and they want to keep that money coming in and don’t want change in any shape or form. I think we need to make suppressors like New Zealand. They should be able to sell them on the shelf like mags

[@TracyCastleberry-v4j]

Maybe in your state thats true I think here in Louisiana they train them in the academy that sportsmen are just criminals waiting for an opportunity to break the law.

[@Chevieroach907]

Living in a small village in Alaska. I’m just to trained that guns make noise. It let us know where other hunters usually friends are at. It acts as another track in the woods that I have a hard time living without. Definitely not anti but not for me

[@mikeboyer1114]

They didn’t bring it up (as it sounds like they want to develop a competing product) but check out the Silencerco Salvo 12, 12 ga. shotgun suppressor. It has an offset bore so it doesn’t disrupt your sight picture. Adjustable from 6”, 8”, 10” and 12”. I’ve shot several rounds of sporting clays with it. Use reduced recoil loads for subsonic clay blastin fun!

[@mr.mr.3301]

That’s an awesome idea with his suppressor and I would love to have it, but I’m not certain it’s worth $1300. Diligent defense Titanium is around $750. Granted it is not serviceable and does not have a muzzle break. However you really don’t need to clean center fire suppressors. In addition serviceable suppressors add weight by added an outer sleeve.

[@countryboysteve]

After shooting with a can i dont even want to shoot if its not screwed on. The only place ive seen a noticeable increase in effectiveness while using a can is during coyote season. At times tou can get off a second or potentially a third shot because it is sometimes harder for them to determine which direction the shot is coming from.

[@The_Judge300]

With my 308 Win I have a 132 db average sound level with my suppressor. It is extremely nice to shoot with. Low recoil and a very much reduced sound.

[@IanKeever-b7z]

Grace was a great guest!

[@garthmolzahn2247]

Question here for meateater# what is your thoughts on 308win for elk and moose

[@jacttackle57]

I would like to know if suppressors effect bullet performance FPS,accuracy, weight of rifle. My only complaint is they make rifles look ugly. They definitely have a lot of positives. Excellent video

[@howtostayaliveinthewoods3531]

it effects all those including recoil and muzzle flip

[@simonhustler5181]

@@howtostayaliveinthewoods3531 It doesnt effect performance or accuracy on the 4 rifles i have them on ,they reduce recoil but do add weight but take away the need for hearing protection.

[@JohnDoe-tx8eu]

Tools are meant to work well not look pretty

[@howtostayaliveinthewoods3531]

@@simonhustler5181 weird I have them on 6 guns and it affects all of them.

[@jefftyler974]

Great podcast! Good job getting the information out to hunters.

[@2000hdfxdx]

Great job fellas. The truth is the same about silencers in Denmark.

[@scholasticaltactical9058]

Ice fishing shacks would be a good calendar.

[@Lvbackroads]

In regards to fair chase, what about the flip side where grizzlies are accustomed to hearing the gunshot from an elk hunter and heading towards the source of the shot, the safety factor may play a part in it

[@noahbyrne2402]

The G bears where I live in NW Montana are notorious for coming to gunshots. It’s never happened to me, but I try not to hunt the ultra thick Grizzly county. Will a suppressor change that? I kinda doubt it but I hope it does. My 300 Win Mag, even with a suppressor, is still pretty damn loud.

[@Lvbackroads]

Would like to have that at least for an option uo here in BC in Canada

[@ericluchtenburg2818]

Grace is nailing it

[@tommyrq180]

She opened up with a shot across the bow (pun intended) to Silencer Central. And I like those guys-really nice business and website. And her shot was deserved, I think. Her idea that suppressors and ear pro should be linked on these websites is a good one. Sort of like truck stops and Dunkin Donuts or whatever. 😅 It’s a collaboration idea that I think would work. It’s just a physical fact that a suppressor isn’t going to affect the trans-sonic crack, which is very loud (depending). Her most devastating point, I think, was that the 140dB standard is for ONE loud sound in EIGHT HOURS. 😱 And that for minors the standard is 120dB, which we should all think about given the logarithmic dB scale. She said for every 3dB, it doubles. Well, actually she’s close, but in dB, for every 10dB, it’s 10 TIMES louder. That is, and for non-math types, stick with me here, but a 140dB sound is ONE HUNDRED TIMES louder than 120dB. (140dB is a pain threshold as well.) So a 160dB sound would be 1000 times louder… That’s loud. She didn’t back down even a little on the physics of the matter, and good on her. Of course I could be wrong about all this, but that’s what I know… 😅

[@tommyrq180]

Issue: peak impulse exposure in OSHA regulations. At 1:35:15 Dr Sturdivant says that OSHA impulse exposure rules allow ONE impulse exposure in 8 hours. That’s a HUGE deal because hardly anybody who hunts or uses firearms shoots once in 8 hours. Even with good ear protection you’re going to exceed that. So I scoured OSHA regulations and could find nothing linking time and impulse peak sound pressure levels. OSHA Standard 1019.95(a) sets the limit for “impulse or impact sound” at 140 dB, which was stated here. But according to a 1991 OSHA ruling by the Director of Compliance Programs, “This [140 dB] limit is independent of the duration of the noise impulse. There is no OSHA limit for number of exposures to impulsive or impact noise.” So on the face of that statement, there is no 8 hour period which limits to one 140 dB impulse. But the ruling goes on to say, “Impulsive or impact noise must be integrated into the measurement of continuous noise exposure, however.” Here’s where it gets complicated and we need some help from Dr. Sturdivant. There is a “time-weighted average” (TWA) computation for non-impulse sound over 8 hours in OSHA Standard 1910.95 Appendix A. By those standards and the OSHA 5 dB exchange rate, to achieve the 90 dB TWA, an impulse sound (gunshot) of 140 dB (the OSHA limit for one impulse sound) could be absorbed for 28 seconds in an 8-hour period and stay within the 90 dB TWA standard. I computed that by halving the time exposure at 5 dB intervals up from 90 to 140 dB. In short, based on a lot of digging but ZERO audiology expertise other than the tinnitus in my own ears from not paying attention to this for 66 years 😅, I have doubts about Dr Sturdivant’s characterization of a safe impulse noise limit of only one 140 dB noise (e.g., suppressed centerfire gunshot) in 8 hours. Over to you, Dr. Sturdivant, I’m completely open to being educated and corrected! 😊

[@Borntorizz]

Suppressed shotgun works great for waterfowl, just need the right can. I recommend Phoenix Weaponry.

[@jesselattin174]

Is archery hunting fair chase? Int a lot of sound there.

[@jesselattin174]

Not

[@kevinmartin2096]

Nope

[@jesselattin174]

@@kevinmartin2096 explain.

[@jeremyfrisbie239]

Fun fact, beyond 25yrds, the decibel level of a supersonic gun shot is only 3-4decibels different in volume. Because of the supersonic crack. Where they do reduce immediate sound volume is at the firearm.

[@charlesmiller7848]

Horse shit, an nsuppressed supersonic high-powered rifle shot can be heard for many miles in all directions. The same cartridge fired through a suppressor sounds like a 22lr, which can only be heard for a few hundred yards. No suppressor means I wake the neighbors up. With a suppressor, they never know. So yeah, that's lowering the decibel level everywhere the shot is heard considerably. Do you need more examples?

[@jeremyfrisbie239]

@@charlesmiller7848 you are so wrong I can smell your inexperience with suppressors in your words. I on the other hand have many, and have used them for over a decade. And I can tell you, a supersonic rifle shot suppressed is virtually just as loud and heard just as far as a unsuppressed shot. Just saying that it is made to sound like a 22lr shows your lack of knowledge

[@ThatguyOwnsYou]

@@charlesmiller7848 Yup, you're absolutely full of it lol. One of my primary rifles I shoot is a 6.8 Western and I use 162gr copper impact rounds which go approximately 2850 out of my barrel. That's a "supersonic high-powered rifle" as you would describe it. Even with an expensive Dead Air Nomad Ti XC .30 cal suppressor without ear pro that thing still rings my ears with a super loud crack. Not even close to a .22 and yeah it would absolutely wake up the neighbors. My 300 win mag suppressed is even louder. Better than unsuppressed but if you think it sounds like a 22, you're either deaf or talking about something you know nothing about. Before you talk about things you don't understand, maybe you should actually educate yourself and actually have experience about what you're claiming.

[@thefishinglor6931]

I don’t care for loud noises so I appreciate silencers but I understand why the genpop needs the noise

[@jonathansanford2786]

Still patiently waiting for my silencer approval. I bought the banish 30 through silencer central in MARCH 2022 (2.5 years later) using the "new and improved" E-form application. They are currently boasting approvals in a matter of days. Not many answers when I call and ask whats happening. Frustrating experience to say the least.

[@terpsurfer7221]

Call ATF... that's the longest I've ever heard and something is definitely wrong...

[@Coltron_Actual]

Sorry this is happening to you, but Silencer Central is one of the worst dealers to work with, and with mediocre products. Next time around find a local dealer with suppressors in stock. You will have a much better experience.

[@jonathansanford2786]

@@terpsurfer7221 I have called multiple times. They can only tell me its processing. Everyone sounds surprised on both SC and ATF end when they see how long I have been waiting. For the record, I have a clean background, never been in trouble. I have my CCW, that requires a background check ran by my county sheriff.

[@terpsurfer7221]

time to contact your representative in Congress. Attack it from every angle something is either wrong on your form or someone screwed up... just make a lot of noise to your rep. I did that and my approval came within a week. I was at 1 year also on eforms.

[@juancabrera9319]

@@jonathansanford2786 There is a video on here that shows you how to send a email to nics liaison. It helped me get approved by the next day.

[@tommyrq180]

FWIW, Dr Grace Sturdivant, MeatEater’s resident audiologist, is also a former Miss Tennessee. She apparently isn’t a shrinking violet when it comes to audiology. 😊

[@zachgolish57]

I believe you mean loudencer not a muzzle break or sound exentuater

[@JSDeerstalking]

We are strongly encouraged to have moderators (suppressors) fitted to our rifles in the UK. Currently, they are on our firearms licensing and there are petitions to have them to removed to make the process of purchasing multiple moderators a lot easier.

[@SB-eu3gc]

Fun seeing Cal in a vibrant color. Love the content of this episode!

[@coon3869]

You gay?

[@brian2591]

@@coon3869imagine caring about someone’s sexual preference 🙄

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

​@@coon3869 Cal is

[@SB-eu3gc]

I’m a woman…?

[@coon3869]

@@SB-eu3gc that explains it

[@LelandHart]

I know it's unpopular, but the original version was literally called a silencer. It's probably ok with Maxim to call them that.

[@BG-bx4ey]

Yeah, it's always funny to see the arguments over common vs original proper names. People get all fired up about not calling something by the original proper name then turn around and ask for a pair of Channel Locks lol

[@terpsurfer7221]

When you file a form 4 you put "silencer" for firearm type... suppressor isn't mentioned.

[@Hanover_outdoorsman]

From western New York myself . Man . That Allegany river hunt next year I’m gunna do , that is good to know

[@ScreamiNarwhals]

Just don’t do it. It’s dumb.

[@Hanover_outdoorsman]

@@ScreamiNarwhals Yea il tell ya this , as a hunter if u have that mind set keep it close and never talk about it . Not even on here buddie lol . New York is horrible and they will bend you over for little shit

[@Hanover_outdoorsman]

@@ScreamiNarwhals although I love my local Dec they are not like the New York most people think of . Where I live , it’s like another world . Nothin like the rest of New York

[@bryanmulcahy8957]

Here in South Africa. We hunt a lot with silencers. You can literally walk into your local gun shop, pick a silencer, buy it, and walk out. Where buying a rifle is like a 4 month waiting period. But yeah, almost everyone hunts suppressed here. Nine times out of ten, you hit the animal, and they dont run to far causes they dont hear the shot, so if its a poorly placed shot you can generally get another shot on them well they still trying to process whats happening.

[@ModernCowboy78]

It took from Dec 28th, 2023 until August 2024 to get my suppressor through Silencer Central. I don't blame them obviously its just a ridiculous how long it can take.

[@THOX78]

Sadly at 6:30 i know the guy! He was the owner of my previous company. Ive known he was a serious hunter but didnt know he did alot of it illegally. Glad he got caught. There is alot to disect in his case(s) the guys name is Karl Studer. If you want to dig into it more yourselves. Ryan smith was my previous foreman as well for a 1.5 he did some very sketchy things as well

[@dimensionsofearth]

Hopefully Canada follows closely behind and I and my fellow hunting and shooting enthusiasts can run a suppressor too. What a genius device!

[@BG-bx4ey]

Lol, keep dreaming silly 'nadian...

[@glenoh88]

Ignore the laws for a bit. They work great for hunting from a blind and vermin hunting (pigs, coyotes etc) where multiple shots happen. They add weight/length and don’t mitigate recoil enough for that long ass trek in the mountains where a few shots are taken in a week. I’m taking a muzzle break on my western mountain hunts. I’m using a suppressor at home (home defense) and pig/deer hunting. Texas here…,

[@zachfox8730]

Cars are loud, we’ve made them quieter over the years, do electric vehicles make it harder for cops to do their job. Suppressors should be widely available. Unfortunately I’m from Canada and I doubt I’ll see the day that happens.

[@kirbyjwhite]

Need to get Jay from Pewscience on a podcast. He would be able to speak on the current tech and the actual exposure risk associated with firearms. Using peak dB (or a 140 peak dB goal) is an outdated way of looking at a can.

[@jordantaylor2536]

Love the podcast! Keep up the good work Y'all

[@stonedguner1]

can you do an episode on hunting in ct

[@andymartin5539]

Great podcast! 2 hours felt like 30 min

[@timstreit9653]

I live in CT and can't find any regulation saying you can not hunt with a suppressor. That would really suck if I couldn't, because I just bought one for my 22 to hunt squirrels.

[@poboy6704]

Connecticut General Statutes § 26-75 states that it is illegal to use a silencer on a firearm while hunting

[@timstreit9653]

@@poboy6704 Thanks, I don't know why there isn't any mention of it in the Hunting and trapping Guide!

[@MarcDub-y5v]

Steven when are we going see you in the wilderness again , love the podcast but its killing me not seeing you out there anymore

[@josephwilliams92]

Cal has the strongest mustache i have ever seen

[@rodneykellems8158]

Should be a short podcast every rifle should have a suppressor

[@DuRöhre4711]

Some of the Best that could happen to Hunters in Germany: Suppressors for everyone with a hunting licence. Most of us carry aluminum cans which are pretty cheap to be had and the noise reduction of some of these monocore designs is just great. I don't need a stainless steel full auto rated can that weighs like 3 bricks. Just my 2 cents.

[@Eburns77]

1:23:37 I grew up in California. Don’t mistake nanny state’s rules for actually caring about people. All of the common gun laws they put in place be it red flag laws, gun purchase waiting periods, etc. are at least as likely to hurt people as they are to help and for most people cause an annoyance. One need only look to the dictatorial behavior of Gov. Newsome during Covid as he defined what outdoor activities people were allowed to do down to where people were allowed to be on the beach: wet sand, not dry sand.

[@andyneilson3671]

Here in Scotland pretty much all hunting rifles are suppressed, it's seen as a health and safety issue as game keepers and deer stalkers aren't going to be wearing g earpro most of the time

[@glockwidstik]

Great timing.

[@storminmoorman7444]

I would watch more of these podcasts if Corinne was in them. ;)

[@vt5speed272]

Regulations may have changed since last time I checked, but Vermont is another state where you can own suppressors but can not hunt with them

[@difficult_aardvark]

How the fuck could it be bad

[@FryingTiger]

Makes poaching easier.

[@chrisb8046]

Sound is the one thing anti-gunners go after *all* the time. The less sound we make, the less interference and legislation we'll have to deal with.

[@kochj0713]

Suppressors are bad for hunters when you have to explain to your wife that when you bent over with your 26 inch barrel in 9 inch suppressor to pick something up and it put a hole right through your driver side window of your truck

[@lawrenceallen8096]

Why have suppressors gotten easier to get? Diddleback is creating a gun registry. Do you have to identify what firearm it goes on?

[@FryingTiger]

Most full power rifle suppressors don't even make the report safe enough to go without hearing protection.

[@nicksundstrom7341]

I was indifferent about suppressors for hunting until I witnessed another hunter take six shots at a cow elk with a brake’d 300 Win mag while I watched from 5ft away. Pro-suppressor after that.

[@The_Judge300]

The suppressors from Silencer Central are way to complicated and expensive than what is needed in my opinion. Having a break at the end of it is rather pointless in my opinion. They should rather focus on making their suppressors reducing the sound more than having that break on it, increasing the price a LOT. And the more your suppressor reduces the sound, the more it reduces the recoil as well.

[@MTNmyMAG]

While suppress may be the better descriptor, Silencer is the correct name. Hiram Maxim invented it and named it.

[@thomasdavisiii1]

F ed up ole taxidermy sounded exactly like f able taxidermy. Lol

[@bushmeatbandit4261]

no, they don’t make guns completely silent, but yes, maxim called it a silencer I’ll stick with what the inventor named it.

[@mehtevas2653]

I just bought a .30 cal can before the .30 cal gun

[@mattcomchoc2957]

Re: Idaho tag buying: i understand WHY they made it illegal to do so, but if a large percentage of them are just going black market, then why not make it legal and let land owners profit off of their land? or have the state setup an auction system and go 50/50 on the money for landowners that wanna put their tags up for sale? pretty tough to make money as a private farmer/rancher these days. Giving those guys an additional revenue stream that only exists because of the land they own seems like a win/win to me.

[@jacoblogsdon2850]

There is no valid argument for suppressors being bad for hunting. Scumbag people are gonna do scumbag things.

[@YOUneedJESUS1]

Suppressors are great for hunters hearing, but bad for their wallets. Cost breakdown. Lawyer setting up gun trust- $400 Cost of Suppressor- $400 to $2,000 Sales tax- $40 to $140 Tax stamp- $200 Extra needs (may need) Gunsmith thread barrel $400 Suppressor break adapter $200 Total $ Cheap .22lr $1040 Expensive rifle can $ 3,340

[@popeshaxx422]

You clearly don’t own one. Lol 😅, please don’t do a cost breakdown ever without actually going through the process….400 for barrel threading lol comical. People don’t listen to this clown please.

[@tommyrq180]

Seems steep. My actual costs for.22LR setup from Silencer Central: Suppressor: $549 Tax Stamp: $206 Fingerprint kit: $10 Tax: $40 Trust: FREE Total: $805 Nice rifle: $700 Nice scope: $850 ATF certification initiated in two weeks, standing by for approval and shipping. After that, plinking with my son and grandsons at well below 120 dB: priceless. Different math; different cost-benefit analysis. 🇺🇸

[@kevinbernstein835]

Well to answer your question, if guns were quite to begin with would manufacturers be required to make them louder. Well there is a strong push to make electric cars more noisy. Because their quietness is an apparent danger.

[@Coltron_Actual]

The ATF would most certainly ban a "quieter" firearm. They've already done it with muzzle brakes, that aren't suppressors, but indeed caused measurable, however miniscule reduction in noise. See the "moderator" that was used on the early XM177 AR variants. Edit: I should have said muzzle device. Not brake.

[@difficult_aardvark]

Brakes are loud as fuck lol

[@Livestronng22]

@@difficult_aardvark can confirm, muzzle brakes do the opposite of reduce noise if you’re standing behind or to the side 😂

[@RyMac87]

Yea dude muzzle brakes without hearing protection will permanently damage your hearing. And they're not banned by any means.

[@huntnnw]

what are you talking about? brakes are the opposite of a silencer

[@Camoman1221]

@@huntnnw kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2W2dJuAlsR4f5osi=RP1dwUgf-bVaDm0O

[@warrenhunts]

I really wish there was high-end electronic hearing protection that was truly waterproof (IP68 rated). I spent $2K on custom molded electronic hearing pro only to have it fail within 2 years, likely due to moisture. After some research I now see there isn't an option on the market that is IP68 rated. Kindof shitty to charge hunters that much for hearing protection that isn't built to withstand hunting conditions. Meanwhile most regular hearing aids in that same price range are IP68 rated, and many have a 3 year warranty, and some have 3 year loss & damage coverage.

[@kevinbernstein835]

My $150.00 bests buds work amazingly well. They are about 5 years old and have been washed with the laundry 3 times. I wear them while landscaping in Florida everyday. And they still work flawlessly. And they work well when shooting too.

[@jfox71]

35 days and waiting for my ATF approval.

[@Fender1031]

If I was running a game agency I would want to test suppressor use in a unit by unit case basis. I have to imagine that suppressor use has an impact on success rates. The quieter versus louder noises are going to change animal behavior and there is no way that is not true. I would take a historical unit and offer say 100 tags that are classified as suppressor ONLY for three years and compare it to the previous three years where suppressors were not used. If success rate is similar then I would say rub some dirt on it and go for it. However, I do have to admit a bit of a bias here because I use gun hunters in any weapon season hunts some years to push animals to me as a bowhunter. One of the best strategies here is to wait for a few gun shots to go off in your unit and just wait it out deep in the timber, on thick vegetation, creeks and ponds because rifle hunters here typically never stray from the roads here.

[@z987k]

You'd have a dataset that is biased. The vast majority of suppressed hunters are a lot more into hunting than the average guy that shoots a box a shells a decade. I would expect suppressed hunters to be a lot more successful on that factor alone.

[@Fender1031]

@@z987k When you are measuring for efficacy of a new technology you measure for the bias, regardless of what kind of hunter is more likely to use that technology you can only measure the outcome. It does not matter that suppressed hunters hunt harder or better, the only thing that matters is the total success rates. No game agency is going to have the time or money to do a controlled case by case proper scientific study of motivation, talent and drive. Most hunter surveys are based on time in the field in that unit and success rates. Once a technology becomes prevalent its much harder to take it away so I think a measured approach and unit by unit management seems a bit more sound than allowing it general firearms.

[@leglessegg]

Come to New Zealand fellas. No regulation on suppressors.

[@jasonshumake777]

I will say as a guide when I see suppressed rifles I’m glad because it saves my hearing.

[@IronHops]

If your suppressor costs more than your hunting rifle does the "Von" just magically appear on your birth certificate?

[@hailtothe_rooster1572]

Suppressors are safety devices just like hi viz clothing. The fact it attaches to a firearm is the only problem people want to have with it. You can take a person that’s never been exposed to any of the propaganda and they’ll choose to be around a suppressor instead of being startled by loud noises

[@theblishknovk]

Never understood the whole infringing on citizens rights and/or options to help catch or stop people who are bad and dont care about laws anyway.

[@ScreamiNarwhals]

I’m a very rule abiding hunter, I enjoy fair chase and don’t want to poach, I want to obey the rules and such… Even I get tempted to go all “bow magnum” with a tough elk hunt, but I never will. I bet poaching (like this guy in Idaho did) is much more prevalent than people think.

[@BG-bx4ey]

No one that spends time outdoors thinks poaching isn't prevalent lol

[@benredacted8468]

I spend a lot of time outdoors, all year long in fact. I don't think poaching is near as prevalent as people who's employment depends on people believing it is.

[@stevek28]

The inventor of the device patented it as a "silencer." The word isn't a bad word.

[@kellyimai476]

hey Steve Please look what we here in Hawaii have to go to own firearms long gun you will blow your mind a lot what you said on your podcast today is so true please let us know what you find out to own long gun here in Hawaii a lot of people will blow their minds I'm sure your gang that's on your podcast today will have a lot to say l please look into this and we cannot use Suppressors here

[@alanbrackett4230]

the bullet hits the game before it hears it.

[@michaelpeters6350]

but that’s always true regardless, assuming the bullet is supersonic