Epyc 7713 vs Threadripper Pro for a Workstation?

[@dalavitang]

I had to build a video editing workstation when TR Pro was only available via Lenovo, and P620 was way over budget. I really needed the PCI-e connectivity (Graphics card(s), video I/O card, fibre networking, potentially HBA), so I went with the TYAN 8030 and EPYC. The way I resolve the USB issue is to use a single slot PCI-e x16 to 4x4 breakout card (through four SFF-8643 connectors) and add two USB controllers for 8 additional USB ports. Not elegant, but works fine for me.

[@maxhughes5687]

With Z590 and X570 still offering only one X16 PCIe socket the demand for X16 AIC will stay very low. Overcoming a decade of Intel 4 core dominance and a public that will not demand apps that use all of their PCIe sockets bandwidth, cpu cores and compute units/cuda cores will take a while. NV Link and Radeon's Infinity Fabric Link was a way to go around an old stupid app that was written for old stupid stuff. USB 3.x GENx can't compete with 16 GEN4 cpu lanes. SATA III, not one in use. USB, one 8GB gen2 stick for bios updates and one USB gen2 for a wireless mouse.

[@lost4468yt]

Hey, where the hell do you find a Tyan 8030? I can't find one anywhere... Edit: actually they're on ebay here now (only from one seller...), but they cost about as much as the higher end motherboards?

[@mn5655]

Hey Wendell, following you since the tek days. You made a huge difference in my life man. I always loved computers, but nobody explained motherboards like you. You and Allyn from pcper are the two people who reminds of what youtube ought to be. Can we get a guest episode with you and Allyn sometime ?

[@langstonbraxton8621]

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[@leightonsonny6516]

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[@langstonbraxton8621]

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[@leightonsonny6516]

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[@DigitsUK]

Thank you so much for making this video - I'm really torn between the TR Pro and 7443P for my next machine, but TBH either would be a massive upgrade from my current Epyc 7281 'Rackstation'!

[@virtualinfinity6280]

I actually use an EPYC as a workstation (ROMED8-2T) and I kind of can support your point. However, I like my systems to come in simple. There is no chipset at all on the EPYC board and you'll just find the X550 NIC and the ASPEED 2500 BMC plus an additional USB controller. However, I do have M.2, OCUlink, Sata and 7 PCI-e x16 slots. So I get some decent storage options, everything else is done by adding PCIe cards. And this is exactly how I like it. I use the system heavily for infrastructure simulation (using virtualization and nested virtualization), so I prefer to select my add-in cards based on features, like SR-IOV, function level reset capability and whatnot. Threadripper Pro with these motherboards (Gigabyte has a nice one too) is a very attractive option, but you suffer a complete lack of low-end SKUs CPU-wise. Some people start with a decent system but an entry-level CPU to get going and later on swap CPUs when cheap options become available on Ebay&friends. I did that for the last two decades on my systems. There are several low-cost "low-end" SKUs for EPYC but literally none for Threadripper Pro.

[@AbhishekRamesh1]

Completely agree with Threadripper not having low end SKU's. This was the main reason why I am looking at EPYC systems now.

[@EionSmith]

Nostalgia for when you were just a voice behind a monitor

[@Apocalymon]

He was once a voice with no body, like Jarvis≈Vision

[@TheFutureTech]

Years back now and how far he has come after everything

[@Level1Techs]

Thanks for hanging out this far! Share with your friends so we can grow? :)

[@prgnify]

@@Level1Techs Every time someone asks me about a tech topic you guys have already covered I always reply the same; I might not know, but I know where you can find people who DO know and that I personally trust 110%. Then point them your way. Honestly, your work is unparalleled

[@xerr0n]

Sthap, youre making me feel old!

[@lejeffe1663]

ordering mine now i curently have a ws z390 pro. i like my lanes so ill be going 64 cores. over a 9900k thank you for the in formation.subscribed!

[@GuillaumeVerdonA]

I want to see multi-GPU deep learning workload on this board

[@tomstech4390]

7x Pro Vega II Duo with single slot waterblocks [drools]

[@lost4468yt]

Video games should start programming in support for multi-GPU.

[@geekinginandout]

Man I am really awed at your rig.

[@daveg4417]

Earlier this year 2023 I looked at TR, TR-Pro, Epyc, and Intel Xeon W for a new workstation. TR-Pro is too expensive in Canada and now old tech PCIe4/DDR4, Epyc is server and doesn't have the I/O available on any boards like I want. So I went with the Xeon W. W7-2495X 24C 48T, ASUS WS Pro W790 ACE, 512GB DDR5-4800 ECC RDIMM, ASUS ROG STRIX RTX-3090. Awesome system.

[@synthetic144]

Yes please... I’m curious to eee how they would perform for audio workstation use.

[@hockeylad2727]

Great products, but the ever present stock, availability, and price for the AMD stack remains a problem. It's a huge barrier to entry for just in time deployments in enterprise IT. We bought some 9800x last week because it was just... available for 400 dollars with a 200 dollar MB option. 40 PCIE lanes for that price is the real value proposition.

[@lemmonsinmyeyes]

I would LOVE to see some houdini FLIP simulations on this. Tons of ram, tons of U.2 cache space. Just let it rip wild with millions of particles

[@johnbienaszii7729]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[@pimpsli]

I think if the TR Pro was unlocked and allowed overclocking it would an easier choice to make.

[@maxhughes5687]

I'm starting to see this the other way. Within the cpu's power draw limits and boost clock limits, it's the cooling that matters more. Momentary boost is a factor, but a workstation is more about hours of actual speed. Factory clock and no throttling for hours on end is more important. Bragging rights for split second boost is for gamer rigs. At ZEN+ it was time for water cooling and at ZEN3 it's open loops with giant rads.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

@@maxhughes5687 I don‘t disagree but I think an unsupported “unlocked mode” would massively generate positive PR for AMD by enthusiasts who would demonstrate what world records would be possible with a single “desktop” computer. I mean 99 % of motherboards are completely overpowered component-wise anyway and letting such a Zen 2/3 Threadripper PRO roam free at >500 Watts would draw in many, many views. AMD not locking down these features wouldn’t mean professional users would operate their systems like that on a day-to-day basis.

[@maxhughes5687]

@@abavariannormiepleb9470 Very true. Public image is a big deal.

[@Goldmaster]

The reason is simple. Workstation based cpus like threadripper pro and workstations in general prefer stability. When you overclock, you are pushing your CPU faster than it can perform and thus void warranty and create new problems as well as need addtional cooling like water, which you then asked for even more trouble. People that use workstations want computers that just work and get things done so stability over performance is key

[@gabrielmuyiwa2861]

Totally agree. There is a huge base of solo Creators who would love d extra headroom

[@dearheart2]

Thanks for an excellent vidieo. The point at the end with the airflow is very important. I am planning to use my old full tower cases and build an "epyc" Threadripper-pro workstation for the workload I have in the pipeline. The 10 gbit interfaces will also be put to use! - apropos airflow, and my very sensitive ear/brain (tinnitus and more)- I am considering to get waterflow and an external radiator outside the window to take the heat!

[@chocopie099]

The thing I'm more concerned about my Threadripper 3990x is that for some cpu intensive workloads only uses half of the cores. (1 numa) and the other does nothing at all. I've been told this is windows 10pro fault... but I'm not sure if upgrading to windows 10pro workstation could improve that or what... Or it is because that is how the 3990x works. Would this be less of a problem in the new threadripper pro? Would change to windows 10pro workstation fix anything at all for me?

[@Marc_Wolfe]

A work load question I have is related to the 8 Epyc that has the maximum L3 cache. If I remember right, each chiplet has it's own L3. I'm guessing that like NUMA vs non-NUMA, there might be some way to take advantage of that with some sort of mode switching; if each module with it's single core doesn't need to have a duplicate of data in other's L3, something ought to be able use that well. Curious about the trade off related to latency when the data does need moved to a different chiplet. I know some games run better on older Xeons with excess cache than they do on modern architecture CPUs. If I could justifying buying that processor as a toy, I would, then just run stuff and see what the hell.

[@petermach2581]

Beside supporting 4TB of memory vs the 3995wx 2TB. What other advantage of the Epyc Milan vs the Threadripper. Because the Threadripper platform is a lot cheaper in term of price performance. If I the Threadripper as a server instead of the Epyc, how much performance gain would I see in real world environment?

[@romevang]

When you say WRX... I think of the Subaru Impreza WRX. Gets me everytime.

[@esunisen3862]

This video needs a v2.0, WRX90 vs SP5/SP6

[@TrainingWithKona]

First five seconds - truer words have never been spoken

[@Pavlogal]

WRX80 SAGE SE is hands down the best motherboard ever, I've been waiting for a review ever since it was leaked

[@Level1Techs]

Posted the review a little earlier :)

[@maxnatamo]

My god, what is that connector at 0:28, in the bottom

[@Level1Techs]

moar gpu power :D

[@Travelfast]

@@Level1Techs its not all the way in

[@tim3172]

@@Travelfast TWSS?

[@maxhughes5687]

WRX80E: Two 8 pin sockets, one PCIe 8 pin socket and two 6 pin PCIe sockets at the bottom of the board. That's 5 of the 8 power sockets on my Thor 1200 P/S. Add one GPU and that's 7 of the 8 P/S sockets. It's this resource sucking hog or a wife. But not both.

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

PERFECT TIMING!!! i am LITERALLY weighing between Threadripper Pro and EPYC right NOW!!!

[@bronekkozicki6356]

AsrockRack ROMED8-2T also has 7 PCIe Gen4 slots, and works with Epyc Milan (beta BIOS)

[@denvera1g1]

Noctua, quick, take your C14S, and scale it up to the Epyc socket, we need VRM airflow, also make it cover the 4 dimms on either side of the socket, It would also help to put an 80mm fan mount on the bottom side just above the socket just to get a bit more air flowing down over the socket and any VRMS that might be towards the center of the 240mm fan

[@isbestlizard]

I'm very happy using my epyc 7702P i got super cheap with an asrock epycd8-2t as my workstation :D got 256 GB of 2666 ecc memory and 4x1TB nvme's in one of my pcie slots in a 16x to 4x4x4x4 card

[@jannikmeissner]

I build a system with a 1920X Threadripper I got for a steal about 11 months ago, but it was just meant as a stopgap. Now I am wondering if I should do a WRX80 build or hold out until Zen3 Threadripper (Pro) comes out... tough choices. (Use case: Pre-Processing for Deep Learning on 12-16 Cores on a VM with 1-4 GPUs passed through to it, a second 4 core VM with another passed through VPN serving desktop duties and VMs to serve as a lab so I can do lighter parts of Devops workflow in a single box I an take with me, including running Kubernetes with GPU nodes);

[@maxhughes5687]

I bought the WRX80E board to replace a TR 1900X. It was hard to find the WRX80E in stock. The Ryzen ZEN3 and EPYC ZEN3 are here now. I don't think it will be all that long before we see the TR PRO ZEN3 cpus. I can't say for sure ZEN3 TR PRO will work on the WRX80E board, but on Ryzen and EPYC the upgrade worked. The power supply to that board looks great, but PAGET tested 3 pro cards on one and was pulling 1400 watts at the wall. Best wishes finding a 1200 to 1600 watt P/S for list price.

[@andurilan]

If I could actually get one, I'd love it.

[@seylaw]

As a user of a Jingsha X99-8D3 and Hunanzhi X99-TF for a used Haswell-EP, I hope the Chinese motherboard vendors will find a way to get used EPYCs into a prosumer motherboard with (E-)ATX form factor. With the rise of AMD in the data center, that might be attractive for the secondary market in a couple of years.

[@gsrcrxsi]

I don’t necessarily agree that you can’t use one of these server boards in a desktop without a ton of airflow. Maybe you’d run into some problem trying to run a 280W part, but no problem with 200-240W. I use the Asrock Rack EPYCD8 board in a multi-GPU compute setup, each system with 6-8GPUs. This is one of the cheapest boards that supports Epyc Rome in a standard ATX form factor. I run these on mining GPU frames, with no special airflow given to the motherboard area, just whatever blows down from the GPUs overhead. I run EPYC 7402P/7502 @ 200W, and EPYC 7642 @ 240W. Zero issues. VRM heatsink isn’t even hot to the touch. CPU load ~98% for months on end.

[@dearheart2]

Yes, why so many options, and what I want is not available. AM4, TR4, STRX4, sTRX8, EPYC ....

[@AdamIverson]

Would AMD Epyc be suitable for headless workstation computer? Fan noise is zero issue since that computer is going alone in the attic, so air blast it away. I intend to use it with Parsec, imagine using my Macbook Air with the power of dual socket 128 cores and the most powerful GPU I can find, probably an upcoming RTX Titan Ada. I'm currently using headless desktop with AMD 5950x with RTX 3090, an upgrade would be a possibility.

[@derekjcooper]

What about Gigabyte's MOBO WRX80-SU8-IPMI - for creatives who still rely on Thunderbolt for our big-ass RAID arrays?

[@keyboard_g]

Hey Wendell, wondering if you've played with MicroOS Linux? Transactional system and everything is a container. From the Suse Enterprise folks.

[@AI-xi4jk]

Excellent insights

[@jackhandy0001]

Hi, I just purchased the same motherboard, only, none of the RGB software I've used will recognize and control the bottom 4 slots. The ram is recognized in the bios and CPUZ but only the top four slots can be RGB controlled. Before I return the motherboard, I was wondering if your software sees and controls all slots or just the top four. I'm suspecting it has something to do with the software not recognizing 8 channel and set up only for four, otherwise...

[@jackhandy0001]

Question has been answered in Level1Techs forum...

[@harrythehandyman]

It seems that EYPC platform might have a better upgrade path with decommission CPU in the future. Threadripper Pro probably has less sale and thus less quantity to be in circulation in the future (and worse, most Threadripper Pro CPU are probably from DELL and Lenovo workstation and vendor locked). But even EYPC 7003 frequency-optimized SKUs cannot match Threadripper Pro's 4.5G turbo.

[@mytech6779]

I have heard that a lot of Epyc are also vender locked. Just a question to keep in mind when buying used. And now with the sinkclose bug you need to be extremely careful with used Epyc and basically know the whole chain of custody, because even though they are releasing patches to prevent future exploits it isn't practical to test for (or fix) a previously compromised SMM.

[@Mobay18]

10:30 Is that black mold in your pc?

[@dearheart2]

Last work place, IPMI was remote management - very remote when hanging :)

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

Is there a massive performance difference in your average workload between 4 channel and 8 channel memory? What is the core count crossover when 4 channel is the bottleneck? We have 16 cores on standard desktop with only 2 channels, is that heavily bandwidth constrained? If not then does it not stand to reason you only need 4 channels around 32 cores and 8 cores when you get to 64 cores?

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Do all of them ASUS PCIe x16 slots support Bifurcation? ASUS‘ Pro WS X570-ACE is for some reason the only AM4 motherboard where I don‘t have any bifurcation issues, Gigabyte and ASRock models don‘t like my components for some unknown reason 😭

[@jasonhowe1697]

the question I have how much ram can it take and what is the bench marks for 4k and 8k production and how many hdd/ssd can it handle my unless you are using a external hdmi mixing board you would likely be using atleast 2 hdmi capture cards and atleast 1 av based capture card though pending on the service output will depend what you can upscale or have a native resolution for..

[@darkphotographer]

question is witch one will be avalable on the cheap as use after few years ,for video editor or photographer , like the the 2011 and 2011-3 xeon cpu , today

[@mytech6779]

Used Epyc is never going to be like used 2011 socket Xeon. They have too much difference in depreciation curves. And many current generation processors are either locked to OEM motherboards, or they use a sort of rental model (Xeon "scalable") where you pay extra fees to use the whole silicon.

[@am-I-an-ai]

Man the first time I laid eyes on this board, it was love at first sight. I run ~30 Epyc servers but my best workstation is currently on a Zenith Extreme Alpha 2. Both are fantastic options, but good god, look at the PCIe lanes on that beauty 👀

[@ngamechannel4903]

do a handbrake h265 encoding at medium preset and a gpu accelerated once. it will be fun to watch, cpu and gpu cooking..

[@Silent1Majority]

Apologies for my lack of understanding. The Tayan website shows the S8030 works with EPYC 7002 series processor. Were you referring to EPYC 7002 in the video? Because I thought you were referring to the 24 core EPYC 7443P (Third Gen EPYC) when discussing pricing and specs.

[@Level1Techs]

7713 is what's in there now. Long story is 280w tdp for xxx3 epyc isn't quite the same as 280w tdp for xxx2 cpus and needs some firmware love. Milan less than 280w is fine. Check the hcl. Plenty of cpus in that doc from milan

[@samnemusnull2541]

Have you tried the new-ish Silverstone Icegem liquid coolers for TR/SP3? A review would be great for those of us looking into building a new TR WS in the summer ;)

[@jakegarrett8109]

Cooling on Threadripper is very easy, my 1950x overclocked to 460w was still cool on a 120mm AIO. As long as you're not doing anything extreme it should be fine. 460w was average power consumption on the CPU doing 4x handbrake batch encodes plus general use and under 72 hour torture test (also running memtest at the same time), test condition was above 100*F (hottest I've seen in my bedroom was 139*F), it was unpleasant. I run it pegged quite often for hours and hours, so I really want to make a cascade cooler for TR-64 core so I can get 6 GHz all core, though the cooler will cost more and consume far more than the Threadripper, haha! Thankfully they are very efficient and the IHS is massive so it ran cooler than my 1700 with the same cooler at 1/3 the power draw.

[@gustavopaco2433]

how is it to do gamming in this one? io want a all in one machine haha i use nuke from the foundry

[@ro55mo22]

All very tempting but I don't have any sort of workload for these products. I just wish the X570 AM4 version had better networking. I could just about justify that purchase to myself.

[@SteinCodes]

Wait 10gig doesn't cut it for ya?

[@ro55mo22]

@@SteinCodes The RJ45 connectors are 1Gbe on the X570 version www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/Pro-WS-X570-ACE/Pro-WS-X570-ACE I guess the USB 3.2 Gen 2 port could be pressed into service for faster networking but it is additional expense.

[@ernstanastassiadis]

Why don't you look at the X570D4U-2L2T from asrock-rack if micro atx works for you i mean

[@blkspade23]

The desire for 10Gbe is why i went with the Asrock X570 Creator instead. 10Gbe and Thunderbolt on that one.

[@maxhughes5687]

No AM5 for 2020 because of one comment "4 years of AM4". KZbin was going to hold AMD's feet to the fire. Anyone switching to AMD needed a new mobo and a cpu anyway. A ZEN3 and an AM5 socket would have been perfect, but that would mean features Intel didn't offer. Then KZbin told new comers to couple a gen3 lane B450 board with a new ZEN3 cpu so you didn't get GEN4 cpu lanes.

[@samuelgodfreyhendrix]

I think a better motherboard for Epyc would be something like an Asrock Rack ROMED8-2T. I own one, and it’s much more feature complete for desktop.

[@joekestrada9476]

can you review the ThinkStation P620 ? it comes with Threadripper Pro

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

Isn't the main difference/biggest difference between Epyc and TR is that TR is overclockable, is 8 channel memory really worth giving this up? So you talk about TDP but if it's overclockable you make the TDP whatever you want, if you have a cooler that can handle 1000w then so do it. I know the power consumption on the Threadripper 3990X hits around 500w using the auto-overclocking PBO feature under full load.

[@geodome83]

Workstation motherboard would come with nice stuff like integrated WiFi and an audio chipset.

[@edwarddolezal559]

I'm wondering which is better for a vdi server with esxi for a home Lab.

[@Mobay18]

Threadripper and Asus all the way. Epyc has no benefits unless you stack it with some crazy storage or network. (that you wont afford)

[@swyftty2]

I think at the current pricing scheme, the difference is where the computer/server is deployed so as to define its form- factor. Workstation is meant for professional work loads of an individual. Think of an engineer running cad. That project is dumped onto a server for multiple access, Now you need a machine that can handle raw input and many users all accessing this file and others. Thats where you typically need more cores but more power reduced. Its about access now not necessarily creation. The render is done localy, the access is remote. The server cpu's are designed with remote as the main point. Threadripper-not-pro is really as close as a gamer would want to get to work station. Consider advanced gaming. Top end GPU's do not support SLI it all comes down to overclocking and overclocked ram. 3200mhz is considered slow in the gamer world. Top DDR4 runs at 5333mhz now. When you look at DDR5, ddr5 is beat out in early iterations. The thread ripper i believe has an unlocked cpu, for overclocking. The pro I didn't think does. Also very few gamers want to spend $2000+ on a sub 4ghz CPU for gaming. Cores count is only useful if you stream and record your gaming. Even gaming home servers are based on single core hyper threaded performance. Meaning many games will take advantage of a single core and its hyperthread but not jump to another core, except when running multiple instances. "Per Map/world." Prime examples minecraft and ark.

[@johnpaulsen1849]

Would love to see a 64 core threadripper pro turned into a x gamers 1 CPU like linus has done. I would think with pcie bifurcation, if supported this could be a crazy setup with 20 Gb of network, crazy m.2 nvme zfs storage and an insane number of gpus.

[@joeybaronstudio]

Asus doesn’t support zen3?

[@TheAnoniemo]

Hey Wendell, you keep referring to the out-of-band management interface as IPMI, which is only one of the protocols one can use to remotely manage a server (and a bit old at this point). I guess it's a habit from years ago? Love these video's though, keep it up!

[@Level1Techs]

And is it really out of bound if it can share the primary nic? That's not exactly really fully out of band

[@TheAnoniemo]

@@Level1Techs I think it still counts because it can be used regardless of the main system's state, but that can indeed be debated. However, the point I was trying to make was that the management interface is MORE than just an IPMI interface, so calling it IPMI would be doing it short.

[@carlscorner4820]

Here's something for you to test. Pix4d. I have a 5900x that maxes all cores and that's why I'm doing a 3990 threadripper. If you want more info let me know.

[@Level1Techs]

sure, pls post to the forum! :D

[@arsixorus]

thanks i love it

[@camjohnson2004]

FYI. After doing some testing between TR Pro and Epyc they are the same CPU, Identical. So IN THEORY, if you could actually hack the BIOS of the ASUS WRX80 board to have the AGESA code for EPYC processors it would work. The other thing you could do as a motherboard manufacturer is just build a SP3 EPYC board and put the WRX80 chipset on it, since the chipset uses PCI Express to communicate with the CPU, its just a AMD branded PLX hub, in fact, there is no reason why you can't use ANY PCI Express based PCH from AMD with any of its CPU's, its just a matter of Firmware hacking

[@movax20h]

EPYC workstation would be great for me, if it supported overclocking a bit. Unfortunately even if you compare same core count parts, the EPYC CPUs clock way lower than Threadripper, at base and boost / PBO, and TR is overclockable. I think it only make sense to get EPYC is you really need to get 64 core version, and need 512GB+ of RAM. Otherwise you are paying probably few more cycles for memory access when using RDIMM vs UDIMM, and possible more time because of lower memory clocks. For the data center, or big virtualisation / compute clusters, sure EPYC is way to go (bigger memory, more cores, better power efficiency compared to higher clocked Threadripper). But if you buy only 1 box, be it a workstation, productivity, science, gaming, server, Threadripper is very nice product. The higher thermals and power usage will not be a big issue when you just have 1 or 2 boxes, and ultimately unlock your productivity to not waste your time waiting for things to finish. Honestly I like the EPYC motherboards more than Threadripper motherboards, but I can survive. I do like the VGA breakout, because I will probably not use it ever or maybe once, and use IPMI / KVM over network only, so that indeed would be a waste of back IO space. But at the same time, I don't like (close to hate), integrated WiFi or audio on motherboards either (even desktop or workstation ones), so for me that is also wasted space, which would be better used by putting there two SFP+ ports, or a serial and IPMI VGA. I am kind fine with the current system (TR 2950X). I could upgrade to 2970X very cheaply now (there are some nice promotions), but I think I would like to keep high clocks, more memory, more cores, and more memory channels. So I think I will wait for DDR5, and Zen 3+/4, if PCIe 5, is there by then, that would be even better, then will go with highest clocked 32-core 8 memory channel system for that. I am super pissed by companies like Asrock Rack, that they don't use AMD 10Gbps NICs (3 of them), that are available on many EPYCs. Stop putting this Intel extra stuff, that adds to the board cost, space and power. Only few boards were released (with Embedded EPYC or EPYC) that use them, but none in the mini-ITX or micro ATX formats (they still use Intel NICs there, which is even more silly). I think the only one I found was a developement board from Asrock or Tyan, and now there is ASRock Rack EPYC3451D4U-2L2T2O8R, it is micro-ATX, but includes both Intel and AMD NICs, which is okish I guess, but the pricing meh (~1100$). I just want some nice simple small high performance board for a router, firewall, etc, mini-ITX, with 2x SFP+, 1x 1Gbps and IPMI and that is all basically. And similar micro ATX for file servers (2x SFP+, 1x 1Gbps and IMPI) but with extra one or two PCIe slots in the that case. It is not possible to find such board right now. I hope Asrock makes EPYC3451D4U-2L2T2O8R with the Intel RJ45 10Gbps removed (I guess it would be named EPYC3451D4U-2L2O8R :D), ~900$, I would instantly use it for my new file server.

[@cpufrost]

EVGA SR-4. Support for Dual 64 core EPYC, 4TB RAM, 10 PCI-E slots, et al. One can dream... ;-D

[@ZachSwena]

I am fixing to build a workstation with this motherboard for multi user Premiere editing...

[@SaxaphoneMan42]

Awesome video, great breakdown. One thing I've been wondering about, is if you need a workstation on somewhat of a budget, how much benefit would you get from the price jump from 3950x/5950x with a good motherboard to the lower end Threadrippers + the board? 50% more cores for ~2x the X950x CPU prices makes me wonder if TR is really worth it on the lower end.

[@Level1Techs]

depends on if your job benefits from more ram/bandwidth and pcie? sometimes two cheap computers is better than one that's more than 2x the price. Same goes for servers, too. 4 socket server adoption is way, way down.. and now with 64 core monster cpus like the 7763, 7713 and 3995WX, even dual socket servers/workstations are becoming less popular. If your job scales well to two sockets chances are it scales well to two nodes in a cluster.

[@SM0R3S]

Wonder if I could use the WRX80 for Plex and pfSense.

[@Goldmaster]

Unraid?

[@SM0R3S]

@@Goldmaster or TrueNAS

[@narcisdorneanu]

that Asus WS board though....would probably have to starve and live in my car for a few months for something like that :)

[@carlosad1]

Its actually 1000$ :)

[@muhammaddiaboffical]

What's the best ram for asus wrx80 pro sage se WiFi best ram?

[@asdf51501]

That Asus board is.. nice :) But I'm just a home enthusiast who can't justify a Threadripper Pro, as I don't make money from my PCs. So I have to settle for a measly 3970x with the Zenith II Extreme Alpha. Woe is me lol. But VMs, here we come.

[@benruss4130]

If they unlock TR pro then I would agree i NEEDZ the OC

[@vincentbrandon7236]

Curious how threadripper handles kubernetes and docker development. I'm stuck between what's enough local when everything eventually goes up to GCP or AWS.

[@CDReimer]

I haven't had a Tyan motherboard since the late 1990s.

[@PrairieDog]

Did you have a S1563 Tomcat?

[@CDReimer]

@@PrairieDog I think it was the Tyan S1590S. A transitional single CPU motherboard that supported AT/ATX PSU connectors, two different memory sockets, and AGP/PCI/ISA sockets.

[@PrairieDog]

@@CDReimer Nice. Had the earlier S1563 with a Pentium MMX. Tyan made some very nice boards.

[@Goldmaster]

Wondering how well this works for unraid as a server

[@ubyunet]

Hi, I have Unraid on my ASUS WRX80-E, 3995WX CPU and 512GB RDIMM at 3200MHz. I've had no problems with Unraid. It detected the 10GbE's fine. The IPMI plugin works perfectly so I can see all the sensor data within Unraid.

[@Goldmaster]

@@ubyunet wow love to see pics and a tour of this. What were your reasons for building using threadripper pro?

[@ubyunet]

@@Goldmaster I'll sort out some screenshots and a photo of the build after I've finished work this afternoon. My main reason for using a TR Pro is because I run some CPU and memory demanding processes, such as an ARK and ATLAS cluster. It's also my home server system, which given it has IPMI and a plethora of other functionality, along with the customisability and aesthetics that EPYC systems generally lack a bit in, it seemed ideal. Prior to that I was using a 3990X on the ASUS Z2E motherboard, although restricted to 256GB RAM. I sort of miss the options for PBO or overclocking on the TR Pro, but it's not a deal breaker.

[@Goldmaster]

@@ubyunet wow thank you. What CPU cooler do you use? Do you use air cooler as that is what I want to use due to less going wrong. I know you can get threadripper air CPU coolers. But not sure if they would fit the socket aside from be mounted 90 degrees

[@ubyunet]

@@Goldmaster I use the IceGiant ProSiphon (which is a unique type of air cooler), however AMD rotated the CPU socket on the TR Pro which means if the motherboard is at a vertical angle then it won't work efficiently due to the somewhat unique design of that cooler. It should still be fine if the motherboard is horizontal though, but I believe the thermal paste needs to be redone as it's still running a bit warmer than I expected it to even now I've put my case on its side. As I understand it almost any TR4 SP3 cooler should be compatible as it's pretty much the same socket just that it's been rotated 90 degrees like the EYPC is.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

Given the price and 'prestige' that the Threadripper range has in AMD's line up I really think it should be the debut socket for a new CPU architecture. It just doesn't seem right to ask a massive price premium for a now 9 month old architecture. Threadrippers should be a halo product, it should be the first to show off a new CPU architecture to help justify the price premium that comes with that platform, imo. (Epyc needs much long for verification so isn't going to be a halo product)

[@tst6735]

I need more!

[@Level1Techs]

We ALL need more. And threadripper pro delivers!

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

@@Level1Techs ...delivers! Now I have the “Dueling banjos” scene from “Deliverance “ (1972) in my head, AMD is the one sitting on the porch and Intel the guy that can’t keep up... 🙃

[@AndreiZamyatin-Svetovid]

Очевидно для рабочей станции двухпроцессорная плата на epic.

[@GamingFruguy]

It's kinda like you're at the eye doctor. "Which one do you prefer? Zen 2? Click. Zen 3? Click. Zen 2? Click. Zen 3? Click. Zen 2? Click. Zen 3?" Umm, gimme a minute to decide.

[@nikhilchoudhary2137]

Amd can launch zen 3 threadripper with 500W TDP with a coller that can handle it, nobody will say anything about that and will buy ton of them

[@perforce1]

Why spell Epic with a Y? :/

[@joeybaronstudio]

That asus mb has everything… almost like you have to get the threadripper just cause of that mb

[@ironmantooltime]

It's good but for my avx512 work I'll stick with xeon. Kidding!!! 😂

[@ChandarSunderraj]

Was hoping at least one word intel in this whole video from wendell...when mention of market competition 😇

[@memeu]

Need to ask my Ryzen 5900X what he will be when he grow up.

[@teknoman117]

10:35 - I built a system at work with that Gigabyte motherboard. The layout is awful as only 2 slots can deal with anything other than short PCIe cards. Do not recommend.

[@chswin]

Threadripper pro has excellent compile speed for .net core+

[@chrismclean6853]

Will this run fortnight?

[@y2goat]

Kinda

[@only4posting]

I don't know why, eg, AMD, wouldn't consider this... : I wish there were some workstation motherboards fully compatible with gaming cards like the rtx30xx, that could handle 2 or even 4 physical cpus. Sure, never would intel or amd want their desktop/workstation business to mess with the server business. But maybe they could find a workaround...like limiting the amount of memory to 128gb... windows 10 server installation not allowed... and a few extra things locked/not available. That way, anyone who would need 256...or +512GB of memory, or would need the super advanced win 10 server options, or a few extra 'enterprise' features, he would still need to go Epyc/server. How many people around the world are there, , who do music creation, photo or video editing, programming, web dev, serious gaming/streaming, etc etc ? Probably between 20 or 30 millions people, if not more. I am sure, if tomorrow, these millions of users had the option to buy a workstation motherboard with at least 2 zen4 cpus, with the possibility to later add 2 more cpus for a total of 4 cpus, many people, including me and most people I know, would do it without thinking twice. Why selling only ONE cpu to a user, when they could sell 2..3.. or even 4 cpus... and make 2..3..or 4 times more cash... with that single user. And if syncing 4 cpus and tons of cores and threads and memory is a tough task... why not allocating a single cpu for some particular tasks, eg, cpu1 for the OS, etc. The cpu2 could be used for gaming...a photo or video program could use the cpu3...etc etc. Each app could only use 1 cpu. This might sound stupid... but I really wish it was possible to have a workstation system with 2, 3 or 4 cpus...

[@blkspade23]

They provide multicore CPUs with up to 64 cores and 128 threads. That is literally 64 CPUs, that happen to be in a single package. For the tasks you've mentioned there is a limit to the scaling far below that, to the point that nothing would be gained by multi socket options. Almost no common workstation/prosumer apps can saturate a 64 core CPU. There is also no practical way to control/limit what version of an OS could be installed, and would be foolish to even try to. You don't need more sockets for what you propose, you need virtualization.

[@rayanbay]

A t-shirt under a V neck 😭

[@supremeleaderfokou5693]

That's, like amd would say, epyc

[@Outland9000]

Video is 10 seconds too long but OK.

[@post-leftluddite]

Wendell is the best

[@raimundapereira9841]

Sbt

[@einnicernutzer]

2nd

[@minerzcollective6755]

The squeamish wing neuropathologically roll because road chronologically explain without a married tower. plausible, woebegone act

[@Symba_Lysm]

2:14 What kind of loop configuration setup is that?!

[@raimundapereira9841]

Sbt