Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021) VS The Avengers (2012)

[@EricCarter12]

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[@tombailey837]

Hey Eric. Did you see the film 'King Richard'?

[@bobertroth9134]

Hey Eric, I asked this in your Dr. Strange video, but I thought I'd ask it here since it's seemed more relevant this time around. But have you seen MauLer's video on ZSJL? If so what are your thoughts on it? I'm just asking because he had some critical things to say about the movie to say the least as well as some points of criticism towards why people are praising it and you being someone who really enjoyed it, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that video. This isn't me trying to sh*t on you at all, I typically really enjoy your stuff and am a subscriber of yours, but I was just curious about thoughts on it if you had any. Also do you think you'll do a vs video between ZSJL and BVS? That'd be a suggestion I'd give to you for future videos.

[@kpvssharkpuppet8734]

Do Suicide Squad 2016 vs the Suicide Squad 2021

[@etabiansosin]

What if The Russo Brothers directed the first Avengers Movie and Age of Ultron?

[@tombailey837]

@@etabiansosin Then it would have been better

[@mr.moviemafia]

“You only need to watch two movies (Man of Steel and BVS) to see ZSJL” I think this would work, but I’d argue the experience is WAY more meaningful if you watch Wonder Woman 2017

[@jtjdrums]

I'm looking forward to the day I can watch MoS, BvS UE, the Ayercut of SS, WW and ZSJL in a marathon. I've got a feeling that's going to be an almost unbeatable cbm viewing experience.

[@nothingherezero7182]

@@gatsbygoodwood2575 there was actually a Stepphenwolf that was leak or something I think

[@marcozolo3536]

@@gatsbygoodwood2575 the Ayer cut would be good if using ZSJL Steppenwolf for consistency sake.

[@sunsetman22]

@@gatsbygoodwood2575 the one problem I find with that is when Alfred says there have been "no attacks" since Batman talked to Luthor. absolutely no mention of what happened at Midway City at the end of Suicide Squad. if anything, I hope the Ayer Cut contains the explanation as to why the whole situation with Enchantress and Incubus (or Steppenwolf) managed to fly under the radar.

[@DarthTingleBinks]

@@sunsetman22 I have my own head canon about that whole thing, and that is that Suicide Squad would take place more or less concurrently with ZSJL. We don't know when exactly Steppenwolf attacked Themyscira, and for all we know, it could hage been during the 6-12 month period between BvS and ZSJL. That leaves plenty of time for Steppenwolf to do whatever he does in the Ayer Cut with the box of Man (the one Cyborg always has), and then have the box be returned to S.T.A.R. Labs and in turn, Cyborg. Hell, for all we know, that could happen BEFORE he attacks Themyscira. As I was recently re-informed, Zeus hid Themyscira from the Earth, meaning that when Steppenwolf went there, he might not have known it was Earth in the firdt place. Darkseid only battled on Themyscira in the history scene, so he, too probably didn't know Themyscira was Earth. And, assuming they leave mother boxes on more than one planet at a time (which they probably do, considering the fact that Steppenwolf and Darkseid have been rampaging across the galaxy conquering hundreds of thousands of worlds), it's possible that if he found the box of Man before the box the Amazons, that he didn't know they were on the same planet. So, with all this set up, we can have the Ayer Cut take place during the time gap, have Steppenwolf find the box of Man, getdefeated by the Squad, have the box return to S.T.A.R. Labs and be given to Silas and then Cyborg, and then have ZSJL play out and have Steppenwolf take the boxes of both the Amazons and rhe Atlanteans, discover that Themyscira is on Earth and the Anti-life is also on Earth, and then go find the box of Man. I feel like I didn't explain this as well as I could have, but I hope you get the gist of the it. It might not work or make sense in the actual timeline of the films, but in my head, that's how it happens. But then again, I believe that the Steppenwolf thing was just the original idea for Suicide Squad and was later changed after Steppenwolf was included in Justice League. So it's possible that David Ayer's Suicide Squad doesn't even have Steppenwolf in it.

[@shadowwarrior3444]

Essentially, ZSJL feels like a movie that was ripped straight out of a comic book in terms of its color, tone, and dynamic action scenes. Then again, Zack's color palette style has always added a sort of dreamlike state that I feel works well for CBMs, especially 300, Watchmen, and ZSJL. Now, I will argue that there are character moments for most of the characters, such as Black Widow silently admitting to Hawkeye that Loki's words got to her, Tony and Bruce's dialogue, and Fury's scenes with them. However, as a writer, Joss is better working with characters than working with action, and he's a TV director more than a movie one. He did have some creative fight sequences, but there was no way he'd beat Zack in terms of spectacle, dynamic combat, and sheer heaviness.

[@illyph9963]

Thats why i hate when people bitch about zacks slo mo, zack is a comic book nerd just like alot of the fans, and people dont realize the slo mo is the translation of comic book “splash pages”.....ive always said snyder dosent make “superhero” movies, he makes “comic book” movies, truley

[@xavierterrelong9385]

When isn't a superhero movie ripped off straight from a comic book

[@jbbrolic]

As a massive fan of DC comics the Snyder trilogy is far less faithful to the comics, and in most cases wildly more disrespectful to the iconic characters than anything in the first couple MCU phases.

[@nothingherezero7182]

@@jbbrolic no unless you don't know the DC multiverse and you only read one batman storyline cause Superman isn't meant to be the Superman you know dceu is more like the origins stories and also sometimes managing can help a help like the batman Lois child or break like actually bringing batman second of the movies in the verse

[@elijahrincon3586]

Infinity war Endgame Jack Snyder Avengers Age of ultron

[@Nomad-1993]

Honestly, the difference between both movies is exactly why I love both. DC has always had the reputation of being larger than life while Marvel has always seemed to be more subtle, and closer to the dull everyday struggle for the heroes. I like that Marvel heroes feel more petty in comparison to the DC heroes. It makes sense the that the conflict in Avengers feels less intense than the one in ZSJL. If both were the exact same, than there is no creativity involved. It works and I'm happy we get to be spoiled by both of them

[@ElvenRaptor]

This. And there's a lot more to unpack than "Loki weak; Steppenwolf strong". Like you said, the DCEU was about more now, bigger now, while the MCU took a longer road with an intervening Avengers film between Avengers 1 and Infinity War. They had been a more gradual upping of the stacks for them.

[@Nomad-1993]

@@ElvenRaptor exactly! Well put my friend

[@ElvenRaptor]

@@Nomad-1993 Thank you!

[@Strato_Casterrr9898]

@@ElvenRaptor That is the same in the comics. Its just a difference in power level. Its like comparing Naruto Shippuden to Dragon Ball Z. DC has always had a bigger power level from both heroes and villains. That's why Marvel failed in the 90s and had to sell their IP to big studios. They had always lacked to ridiculous grandeur of DC, whether it was bad or good.

[@ElvenRaptor]

@@Strato_Casterrr9898 Agreed.

[@spliffnotes8359]

Here's the thing, I liked avengers. But, just looking at these clips side by side it's almost embarrassing how much more visually beautiful justice league is... It's such a heavy and important feeling film. Like a living graphic novel

[@zichengzhou6344]

The avengers was lit and shot like a tv show, even back in 2012 it bothered me a little.

[@cadenschacht5660]

Justice league was ugly and uninspired

[@ricksterdrummer2170]

@@zichengzhou6344 I think back then we were still used to superhero movies being shot on film with less to CGI.

[@Wyfbeter]

@@sourruntz9595 big L

[@sourruntz9595]

@@kp1x When u know it's true and got no argument😂

[@Sweetgum-x7g]

Despite my love for the first avengers film, Zack Snyder’s justice league will always be one of my favorites. The experience I had and the expertise of how well made this film is simply amazing. From the breathtaking visuals, stunning cinematography, top-notch special effects, incredible directing and phenomenal acting to the drama, serious tone, intelligent story and deeply compelling characterizations of all the main characters. Also delivering one of the best soundtracks I’ve ever heard and some badass action sequences. There’s also countless details which includes parallels, Easter eggs, references, symbology and imagery which I find absolutely fascinating. The cast was perfect and the rewatch value of the film is high. Ironically time flies by swiftly with this flick. This is why I believe Zack Snyder’s Justice League is a true work of art. 9.8/10.

[@GenisysPrime]

Zack Snyder's Justice League is one of the closest films to my heart. The visuals, the story, the emotional weight, the magnificent soundtrack and background score by tom holkenborg, the acting, the level of epicness it emits and the level of struggle the hardcore and never giving up dc fans and Zack Snyder went through makes it one of my most favourite movies till date. Even after one year of its release and watching it 8 times I still can't believe that a man like Zack Snyder exists in this very world who can make every single moment of a freakin' 4 hour long movie interesting, meaningful and intriguing. Even movies like the hobbit, the lord of the rings and the irishman which are at least half an hour shorter than zsjl become boring but this masterpiece just never disappoints no matter how many times you watch it. Movies like Avengers Infinity War, Avengers Endgame, Spider-Man No Way Home, The Dark Knight and Zack Snyder's Justice League are in a league of their own. This masterpiece is one of the best live-action superhero ensemble movie and one of the best superhero movies and hands down the best justice league movie (including animated and josstice league) till date.

[@themaxster7798]

Too bad the same can't be said of BVS. It's unfocused, overly dark, inconsistent, has terrible dialogue, illogical character motivations and bad CGI.

[@aleclessard7670]

I'm assuming you have not seen the ultimate edition of the film which is quite a bit better than the theatrical cut.

[@themaxster7798]

@@aleclessard7670 Is it longer than the 3 hours? In all honesty, Snyder's style just doesn't appeal. I know some people like it and that's fine. It isn't for me.

[@CC-dm3iy]

@@themaxster7798 wrong. It appeals, its just some people like u dont like it

[@aaronmiller6200]

I will say though, in defense of the argument scene from The Avengers, it was heavily implied that the mind stone (which is theorized to have a will of its own) was influencing each of them by heightening their emotions in that moment. Hell, Banner wasn't even aware that he was holding it in his own hand.

[@bobmclovinelectricboogaloo]

That's what it look like to me as well.

[@rajarshisantra8203]

Even if that was the idea, the dialogues and way they were delivered doesn't really sell that idea. Edit : What I tried to mean by that statement, that the "idea" of the mind stone manipulating didn't really meant a lot in the scope of the movie. The most damage it does that the Avengers quarreling for a bit and that's it. If you remove that whole "manipulating" thing, the story doesn't change any way.

[@SuperSteph5]

Then in the next Avengers movie they continue to fight amongst each other

[@themeek8793]

@@rajarshisantra8203 But the camera movement clearly tells us that Loki's scepter is doing this to them. Pay attention 😭

[@Peer165]

@@rajarshisantra8203What the hell are you talking about? It was SO obvious the stone manipulated them that even my dear old grandmother picked up on it.

[@indrajithk2561]

Man Of Steel was deep enough for me to love and understand Superman. Before that i always had a mixed feeling about this character. But MoS really showed me what made Clark Kent Superman and the struggles he had to face throughout his life while trying to find his identity and purpose in this world. He feels more human and relatable which was lacking in previous iterations. This movie gave me a new insight towards superheroes, especially Superman.

[@dreademperor2094]

I liked how Man of Steel was just the beginning of his journey to becoming the Superman we all know

[@indrajithk2561]

@@dreademperor2094But some people were too dumb to understand that. They are living in the world of spoon-fed content. So they expected this one to be the same. Same thing with BvS(ultimate edition) as well. A criminally misunderstood and underrated movie. Its not flawless but it's easily an 8/10 movie which laid foundation to ZSJL.

[@dreademperor2094]

@@indrajithk2561 yeah, when I watched the ultimate edition I knew he was trying to tell a story but I didn't know what it was leading up to until I saw the Snyder Cut that's when I finally saw what he was building up to and now I want to see his vision completed with Justice League 2 and 3

[@illyph9963]

@@dreademperor2094 yea imagine if idiot WB wud have just not messed with bvs n JL n let UE and ZSJL “be” the theatrical releases like zack wanted, they wud prob have theyre “mcu” money theyve been chasing few years ago, and a more respectable DCEU today, the problem was never zack, they just used him as scapegoat to cover up theyre own hack mistakes, the PROBLEM was wb overreacting n not giving a universe 1 movie in time to breath n gain legs🤦‍♂️

[@naominaomison1908]

@@indrajithk2561 The people who hated Man of Steel understood it far better than you ever could.

[@Ar.Cortez]

I don't have any word to express how accurate your take on both of these movies. We even have the same opinion on the villains, especially Loki's ungodly treatment

[@divyapatel6063]

To be honest I had chills all over my body watching ZSJL. Cyborg was indeed the best and GOAT

[@FrancistheBrave]

❤️.

[@onisuryaman408]

And Cyborg is truly the superhero of our era. He can plug himself into the Internet, manipulate things inside. He could make himself richer than Bruce Wayne if he wishes too, but he didn't. That's my hero.

[@awesomecoolguy7541]

I do really like the Avengers, but Zack Snyder's Justice League is just a much better movie and I can't decide whether it or Aquaman is better.

[@maxhall622]

aquaman is shit 😬

[@coltkillergaming5685]

I prefer aquaman cuz oceanmaster and manta I don’t like heard but she didn’t do too bad a job and the effects is so awesome so is the action

[@Thenumber1yoshi]

Eh, both pale in comparison to the Subspace Emissary from Super Smash Bros. Brawl!

[@TroisB]

Huh, let me help you: ZSJL by far! 😅 I don't even understand how you can love both at the same time with Aquaman looking as much as a bad Marvel rip-off ; I'll never understand how people can accept this giant cartoonesque story happening in the same universe as MoS and Bv2! But eh, everyone has the right to enjoy what he wants I guess... :)

[@coltkillergaming5685]

@@TroisB not all movies have to have super serious stories

[@bobmclovinelectricboogaloo]

I agree Infinity war is the greatest avengers movie of all time. And I also agree with the majority of the points you made with avengers versus Zack Snyder's Justice League.

[@GaParanormal]

Majority? Which could u even argue with?

[@DeathbySkullfxxx]

@@GaParanormal theres 5 movies leading up to Avengers and w DC you "only have to watch 2"... thats not an objective reason for am ensemblen movie to be better. And tho he says all these things as fact.. theyre still mostly just his opinion... just saying the recruiting in Justice League is better... or that Loki is lame... or something just IS when its actually based on his own singular subjective opinion. Nevermind more than one time he leans on a sentiment(for example) of "I genuinely thought"... thats literally basing it wholly in just what he thinks. Not fact. Just cuz he says it does not make it so. Even w some semblance of objectivity. Much of it is argumentative rhetoric... "I also found the characters...."... his opinion is not a fact. Nevermind that many examples many feel diametrically opposed to what he thinks. "Happened at an inappropriate time". He doesnt suggest why... he just says it... yet people love the movie(Avengers) so... inappropriate? Again... cuz he said so? Doesnt work that way.

[@jeffcunningham0389]

@@DeathbySkullfxxx you’re totally right. I like ZSJL but the avengers is a better movie. Better directing, writing, acting, editing, pacing and is just more fun, which is what a teamup movie should be.

[@jesuspernia8031]

Infinity War shafted a lot of characters and still had those dumb jokes they like to throw in every 10 minutes. It’s a great film but I’d say even Endgame is better and IW isn’t as great as everyone says it is.

[@jeffcunningham0389]

@@jesuspernia8031 name 2 jokes from IW that didn’t work

[@daredevilfisk]

I’m glad you finally made another Vs video of ZSJL! Thank you Eric! I love your superhero videos the most! Especially The Batman, ZSJL, and Spider-Man. Really, you are very appreciated!

[@axelontiveros7988]

0P

[@fuison55]

Both movies are great movies when you consider the time they release. Avengers feels very 2010s (released in 2012) and ZS justice league feels more fitting with what we currently have on TV and film.

[@misterwizardman4309]

But it was originally a 2017 film which is crazy because nothing in 2017 was like that at all yet not until at least avengers infinity war

[@indeed260]

@@misterwizardman4309 There absolutely things like that

[@dannyyu7754]

You need to also consider they got 4years to collect feedback from the fans to redo some of the stories and learn from the funny cut​@@misterwizardman4309

[@juansepotter]

ZSJL is easy one of the best CMB movies of all time The color, the story, the soundtrack, everything is amazing

[@joelolukaiyeja6095]

Same

[@sergiodesousa8669]

9899⁹999 😊7😊

[@majinbusn]

The color: literally everything black or grey

[@Kusanagikaiser999]

As someone who have never had an issue with Avengers, still is one of my favorite comicbook movies, and yeah maybe you are a little harsh.......but I can see your points here as valid, specially comparing this film with Zack Snyder's JUSTICE LEAGUE, if was a fight between Joss Whedon JL vs Avengers yeah I would go with Avengers, but Zack Snyder version is sooo much superior in all ways, I actually think stand up even vs films like Infinity War (not saying is better, just that in a vs fight, both sides will get points), JL Snyder cut is an amazing beautiful film, and the developed of the characters, the villain, the music, the action the cinematography is just on a whole different level compared with Avengers, so as an AVENGERS 1 FAN, I can say, JL is the better movie, I totally agree.

[@One-Time-Review]

I love both DC & Marvel movies hopefully Warner bros can fix what they have done with DC

[@garfieldlasagna6918]

@@One-Time-Review only if they listen to the fans and restore the snyderverse starting with the ayer cut of suicide squad

[@rajarshisantra8203]

I would put freaking Catwoman over Josstice League. Heck, Morbius and Fantastic Four (the 2015 one) also have their chance to go over Josstice League for me

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Unironically The Avengers is Joss Wheadons best work and I fricking hate him as a person and Snyder Cut is better by Far no contest

[@ethanrobert342]

Why exactly is he a terrible person?

[@Layschips5]

@@ethanrobert342 when u think about it, he ruined a masterpiece

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@ethanrobert342 Justice League star Ray Fisher came forward with accusations against the director saying he created a toxic work environment on set calling Whedon's treatment of the cast and crew “gross, abusive, unprofessional.Buffy and Angel actress Charisma Carpenter followed, detailing her experience enduring mental and emotional abuse from Whedon.Since then, other actors, writers, and crew members, including Gal Gadot and Michelle Trachtenberg, have opened up about what it was like working with the director.

[@Daeduluus]

@@Layschips5 lmao come on Justice league is no masterpiece haha

[@definitelynotabot1743]

@Ben Solo that's subjective.

[@RickVencesC]

The truth is that Zack Snyder's Justice League has a level of epicity much higher than that of the first Avengers, so much so that the moment in which the Flash makes use of the speed force reaches the same level of epicity as the snap of Tony Stark in End Game.

[@richyambros2769]

I don’t agree the iron man snap wasn’t exciting at all. I think the entrance were every comes is the most exciting in endgame

[@ninjanibba4259]

You know April Fools was LAST week right?

[@marvelstudios3565]

Victor Stone (Cyborg) cries because his daddy wouldn't watch his game. 😂 His mother dies in a car accident because she's trying to comfort his bitch ass instead of watching the road. 😂 Victor goes on to blame his father for what happened.😂😂😂🤣🤣

[@richyambros2769]

@@marvelstudios3565 why are you mad? Damn you cinematic marvel fans are so toxic. Can’t have a debate with any of you because you just get your info from your movies and you guys are stubborn and full of rage.

[@jeffcunningham0389]

The shot of the avengers finally alll assembled is more iconic than anything in ZSJL and I actually like that movie but come on. Lets not rewrite history now. Also that one shot, single take that should all the avengers working together is cooler than anything in that movie as well.

[@ImaginaryNate]

6:53 This is the BIGGEST thing that average viewers overlook, and it really bugs me. The whole arc of Batman was to show he was going bad in BvS, but turned good at the end and remained good in this movie. He was always meant to not be that killer we saw

[@adamgrunther1367]

The DCEU has one of the saddest legacies ever as a franchise. There are so many terrific films like Aquaman, Shazam, The Suicide Squad and the first Wonder Woman. And yet because of their poor creative choices during their first five years whether it’s the quality of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman or them meddling in movies like Justice League, most people are going to see this franchise as a failure and the amount of bad press caused by actors like Ezra Miller and Amber Heard have only made DC’s reputation infinitely worse.

[@rajarshisantra8203]

DC having a problematic reputation is something to be excepted because unlike marvel they are not obsessed with capitalizing the family friendly and formulaic "happy to go lucky" content(WB are, but not the creative side of the DC). The creative choices of MoS and BvS are really not that damaging once they are put in the context of the entire franchise and they are very wrongly criticized for reasons based on either bias or simple misunderstanding.

[@supergeek7134]

The thing with The Avengers is that when it came out is was a pretty big deal and it seemed like a big deal but when I go back and watch it now it doesn't feel like it mainly cuz of movies like IW,ZSJL,ENDGAME etc the movie itself doesn't feel like it the shots feel like a tv show not every shot but many of the shots are generic atleast to me. The movie came out when we never had a big superhero team up on big screen so it felt great but rewatching it now it feels decent, not really great and not really bad like it just served it's purpose for more greater films.

[@Madbandit77]

What the heck is Watchmen then, also directed by Snyder? There's also X-Men (2000).

[@ElvenRaptor]

@@Madbandit77 No, those are team movies. Not team up movies. There is a difference.

[@supergeek7134]

@@Madbandit77 there's clear difference between different superheroes coming together and an already formed team lead by a wise man xd like doom patrol,teen titans,x-men and JSA

[@Madbandit77]

@@supergeek7134 Yes, but they're still superhero teams, fighting for the greater good.

[@supergeek7134]

@@Madbandit77 yeah but they were introduced as team they aren't the same as justice league or the avengers

[@The_FallenKnight]

Honestly i like Both Movies. They are awesome

[@BESTMOAD]

Justice league is better I don't have to use I like both excuse I like both but justice league us better

[@nqz1594]

As an MCU fan i've been watched Zack Snyder's justice league and i gonna say ZSJL is WAY far better than The Avenger 2012 even a snyder cut could beat the whole avenger 2012 movie (imo)

[@West-Telecom]

In your dreams.Ok ???

[@themaxster7798]

I don't believe that ZSJL is better than the Russo's Avengers: IW. That movie is a template for how to make a massive team-up comicbook movie.

[@rohandsouza1871]

@@themaxster7798 i think he meant the first avengers movie...i think its not as good as the 3rd and 4th one

[@jesuspernia8031]

@@themaxster7798 I strongly disagree. I’ll take ZSJL any day over IW and pretty much every Avengers film combined. IW still has that crap marvel humor and shafted characters that deserved spotlight like Vision. It’s nowhere near as good as a lot of people are saying.

[@themaxster7798]

@@jesuspernia8031 And I strongly disagree with your disagreement. To each their own.

[@sharkwar4284]

18:25 honestly, I think Transformers: Dark of the Moon is very underrated and the climactic action scene is probably in my top five action scenes, especially when Michael Bay got people in wing suits to actually fly over a city which Micheal Bay then digitally changed to make the city more destroyed and of course, add more explosions

[@nqz1594]

Tbh TF:D O T M story telling is kinda... not that good the only thing that i saw hold it was the vfx and CGI in the battle imo

[@Jetix34]

Nah the Transformers movies outside of Bumblebee are generally shit

[@sharkwar4284]

@@Jetix34 in my opinion, the 1st one is good, the second one is boring, the 3rd one is underrated to me, and the last 2 are god awful

[@comicbooknerd3570]

@@Jetix34 That’s your own personal opinion it ain’t a fact, I loved the first trilogy especially DOTM probably one of my fav transformers films especially the 3rd act climax way better than bumblebee IMO even tho that’s high up there on my list as well.

[@comicbooknerd3570]

@@nqz1594 DOTM has the best story in the entire 5 movies. I think it’s better than 1 IMO. Sentinel Prime, is probably the best antagonist because he actually a threat and has a clear motivation that he’s just homesick and wants his species to live on their planet again, better than the downgraded megatron lol

[@uglynerd8764]

ZSJL VS Infinity war doesn't make sense because Infinity war has far more building up to it. Isn't something like 20 movies that's like 40 to 50 hours? Hopefully with the discovery merger we get part 2 and 3.

[@deepchocolate2394]

That transition into talking about the sponsor was smooth as hell

[@spider-man500]

I gotta say, as much as I love Avengers, and as much as Marvel guy I am, I definitely think that Zack Snyder's Justice League is better. I personally prefer how and why the Justice League get together than how the Avengers get together. Each member is going through their own pain and trauma, so when they get together, truly together, you feel glad for not only the world being saved, but you feel happy for the Justice League Members themselves for getting through their problems. It felt like an overall more emotional, serious and purposeful story. I'm gonna say it, ZSJL is one of my favourite CB movies of a time, and definitely my personal top 3 favourite DC movies overall. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

[@GenisysPrime]

thanks spider-man. #restorethesnyderverse and #maketasm3

[@dradra2day]

You're a good man

[@aakashsaini2184]

@I'm a clown Yes but ZSJL was also supposed to be a setup for future DCEU movies. Too bad WB cancelled Batfleck, Ryan Choi's Atom and changed the entire script of The Flash.

[@spider-man500]

@@aakashsaini2184 true, but Justice League was telling its own story more so than Avengers.

[@maxfordgaming9278]

I 100% agree Zack Snyder justice league is the better movie.

[@themaxster7798]

Possibly but that depends on what metrics you're using to judge. Those two movies are so different in vision and the way they make people feel. Tonal quality is just as big an issue in movies now, along with story telling. I got what Snyder was trying to do with JL but BVS set a bad template that I believe poisoned the viewing public's perception of his take on DC. Again, my opinion.

[@maxfordgaming9278]

@@themaxster7798 true.

[@florentinovillegas9932]

@@themaxster7798 BvS was very misunderstood, and I think the Ultimate Edition really fixes a lot of the problems that the theatrical release one had because that extra time allows you to understand what's going on much better. And you get the characters motivations better as well. It's personally one of my favorite superhero movies, but that's just my opinion :)

[@nicholasmartins3030]

Don’t forget Wonder Woman before watching justice league

[@jacindaellison3363]

Was thinking the same thing.

[@infiniteapex8762]

I think zack snyder justice league wins, it's just better in cinamatogerphy, storytelling, but the avengers cool to, I watched it when I was a kid, still has a soft spot for it, but I still like the snyder cut more, it just has better stakes, and a better villain, hes terrifying

[@devyncrant797]

Same I watched The first Avengers when I was a kid but I didn’t find it memorable It’s is obviously slow and I’m actually not a big fan of the avengers that much and I’m also not a big Iron man, Thor, and black widow, especially Iron man in my opinion and yes I know tony stark has a good sense of humour but I don’t like that he shows off and I think he’s a bit too good but still I’m not a big fan of Iron man, but there’s 3 or 4 heroes that I liked and that is Captain America, Hawkeye, nick fury and the hulk and that’s it so yea

[@adityadutta2391]

Better stakes? Wtf u talkin about

[@infiniteapex8762]

@@adityadutta2391 I'm saying the stakes were handled better

[@ericericson5633]

@@infiniteapex8762 Justice League literally had no stakes. The Russian family in the Whedon cut is the closest that movie gets to having anything worth caring about.

[@infiniteapex8762]

@@ericericson5633 so yiur saying the world literally being destroyed, isnt a stake? Or if the mother box touch the water, the whole world gonna parish isnt a stake, then I dont know what is, you can keep your whedon cut, and I keep the snyder cut.

[@tombailey837]

Iron Man & Cap recruiting the Avengers makes a lot more sence when you think about it. Great point Eric.

[@r_brucewayne3888]

@@mrbluesky4838 classic die hard marvel fan

[@kringerman396]

@@r_brucewayne3888 yup

[@r_brucewayne3888]

@@user-utshi9ha thats now what he was saying he was saying that it would have been cool if the diractors found a way to amke tony and cap recruit the avengers

[@ElvenRaptor]

No, it doesn't, because Tony had a "go it alone" attitude at the time and Cap was still getting used to living in the 20th Century, and had zero connections.

[@yeetcity2704]

@@ElvenRaptor Honestly it would have been more entertaining

[@adamgrunther1367]

RIP William Hurt (the actor for General Ross).

[@EricCarter12]

Did he pass away???? I didn't even know. RIP indeed.

[@theangryavengersendgameps4836]

I like The Snyder cut better than The first avengers Lol People Got made at Me.

[@atogon_art]

When you compare this to your previous Justice League vs Avengers video, it only shows just how much you've come and improved so much!

[@SmartypantsTutoring]

There is a simplicity to the first Avengers that I find charming over the one Avengers movies that feel less self contained. I feel you could watch first Avengers without any of the other movies prior and still get close to the same enjoyment out of it. I know it’s popular now to hate Whedon and while The Avengers is not perfect(as you said it kind of looks like an expensive tv show), it still set the bar for shared universes going forward for better or worse. It was a first and that novelty was a big deal. That’s probably why Age of Ultron was somewhat underwhelming for some people. The only way Marvel could recapture that magic was to raise the stakes and the scope with Infinity War and Endgame. In any case, I think it’s a really good film with a simple setup, fun action and engaging characters and banter. It’s a shame Marvel afterwards went over board with the Whedonification of everything and I say as someone who likes Whedon overall. However even though I am not the biggest fan of Snyder’s Man of Steel or BVS, I loved his Justice League to my surprise..It felt like a giant comic book issue. An epic comic book rock opera. It has all the excesses that come with Snyder(slow motion, music video needle drops, self indulgent, self important), but here I kind of loved it. Just the sheer audacity of this 4 hour movie. The story is refreshingly simple after how convoluted BVS was and the movie is able to breathe allowing for actual character development which is usually not Snyder’s strong suit. This allows the big moments(emotional and visual) to land more. While I wish the film had more color, it is beautifully and stylistically shot. Junkie XL’s score is sweeping. The humor surprisingly lands and yet it’s never overbearing. It’s reasonably well paced despite it’s runtime and once again it gives it that epic feel. I never would have guessed Snyder was actually capable of making a heroic film, but I guess he wasn’t lying implying BVS was the dawn of justice. Excluding the Joker unnecessary epilogue, the ending montage hit me hard and this is the Justice League film I was hoping for. I always thought Whedon was the better storyteller and Snyder the better filmmaker, but this might have changed my mind.

[@ericericson5633]

Zack Snyder's Justice League is a textbook example of terrible storytelling. Two hours into the movie and they're still introducing new things. No normal person is ever going to sit through that. The first act of the movie is over two hours. Not releasing this trainwreck in cinemas is the smartest thing WB has ever done.

[@TotallyActing]

@@ericericson5633 well I mean, millions of completely normal people sat through the 4 hours of the masterpiece. And it’s a slower pace bc it’s a 4 hour movie which means things take their time. It’s ok kiddo, you can go watch an hour of cocomelon if you’d like… no one cares for your opinion

[@nothingherezero7182]

biggest thing about BVS it basically what do world is now right like cancelling and many more

[@andreimcallister1365]

@@ericericson5633 Bruh literally every dc fan has watched it and loved it so shut up

[@riteousrighthand6144]

@@ericericson5633 It was always meant to be a 2 part film though. Then Warner came in and said, no Zack, make it one movie. And he did. Then they said, no Zack, make it 2 hours long.

[@spider-man500]

18:24 TF Dark of the Moon has one of the best final action set pieces of all time. The whole final hour of the film is just a giant action scene made up of many many different/unique action scenes intergrated into the 1 hour battle. Hate Bay all you want, but his action/Choreography and Special Effects were fucking amazing in the TF movies, DOTM especially.

[@abstraction6212]

Well Bay Hated his transformers movies and Parasite kept on pestering him to make more. He wanted to stop after dark of the moon

[@naumaanulhaq586]

Damn that scene with gaint worm decepticon destroying the building and our heroes in it. That was pure awesomeness.

[@DerezzedMan]

I always thought the final battle of TF3 was superior to the one in Avengers.

[@kevinodoghair]

ZSJL > Avengers

[@marvelstudios3565]

Victor Stone (Cyborg) cries because his daddy wouldn't watch his game. 😂 His mother dies in a car accident because she's trying to comfort his bitch ass instead of watching the road. 😂 Victor goes on to blame his father for what happened.😂😂😂🤣🤣

[@booomheadshotadi8333]

Yes

[@Ope334]

My extra category: superhero line up scenes. When I saw The Avengers for the first time I thought there wouldn't be a superhero line up as good as the Avengers but Zack Snyder's Justice League not only has a better superhero line up but has the best superhero line up. So the winner with the far, far superior superhero line up is Zack Snyder's Justice Leauge.

[@West-Telecom]

And without any “team” or chemistry

[@GenisysPrime]

bro I can see your love for zsjl in your profile pic of unfeatured john stewart's green lantern from zsjl. I love that movie too

[@Ope334]

@@GenisysPrime I didn't have that profile picture when I made this comment.

[@GenisysPrime]

@@Ope334 well the fact is that i love it.

[@diegoledezma4045]

It can’t be the best since they don’t even have a good version of Batman. That’s one third of the big 3 essentially missing. I really liked Snyder cut but I’d rather watch Avengers any day of the week. Pacing is much better in Avengers although the visuals suck compared to Snyder cut.

[@jadenwalker2052]

I feel like Zack also knows the character's powers and abilities better, especially with Flash's speed and the water manipulation bit

[@bladewolflq-84i86]

The Avengers didnt age well, it was already an ugly as fuck looking movie even back in 2012 compared to other big blockbusters like The Dark Knight Rises and Prometheus, the thing looked like a TV movie at times carried by the novelty of watching all these characters togheter for the first time. It not just a 2012 thing, most Marvel movies are ugly as fuck, its pretty telling when your 2021 Spider Man movie looks worse compared to movie made in 2004 about the same character, the only ones with any sort of good visuals are James Gunn Guardians movies.

[@AriEAyala]

but what nonsense you say Avengers 1 was the beginning of something big and for Marvel it was a mega success, 1.5 billion in 2012 when that movie came out and it has aged like a glove while the Justice League, a 4 hour movie to add an hour of footage that the movie Avengers 1 has to spare, is far superior because the Avengers were already introduced in their individual movies and then reunited and faced the threat that was Loki and the Chitauri

[@vietnameeseguy]

Snyder’s JL would’ve been a huge hit had it been released in theatres. The scale of the movie felt huge and it would’ve surprisingly blown people away I think. Like the Amazon fight scene is crazy and the opening credits was such a cool way to open a movie and it literally picks up right after BvS. Steppenwolf would’ve surprised a lot of people too on how powerful and brutal he was. I mean the black suit and flash reversing time all would’ve made people jump and cheer in a packed theater. Though besides these movies being their first outing as a team, I think IW would’ve been a better comparison bc the stories are pretty much the same.

[@jesuspernia8031]

I’m gonna have to say Justice League is FAR BETTER and it’s not even close. The Avengers isn’t a bad film. Not at all, but it’s only good for a couple of laughs and an epic battle. And I don’t care what the common opinion is on this, I’ll watch Man of Steel and Batman v Superman any day over most of the 5 movies that lead up to The Avengers (only one that’s great is Iron Man which is way better than The Avengers movie itself). Avengers can be a great film, but man Justice League just gave us an amazingly put together film. Hell I’ll watch Justice League over any of the Avengers films (yes even over IW and Endgame).

[@bemasaberwyn55]

There's only 1 thing that I'd argue, and it's primarily because I'm a bit of a completionist. I'd argue that the extended edition of SS and the solo WW film should be viewed in addition to MOS and BvS(Ultimate Edition). I suggest this for 1 explaining Diana's backstory as well as a concept that is utilized when Steppenwolf is killed(only a god can kill another God, so Diana could decapitate Steppenwolf). 2 introducing Harley(who Knightmare Bruce refrences) and the Joker(who they show in that Knightmare).

[@Nu-En-Jin77]

All I can say is Joss Whedon. Take him out of the filming/directing process, and your movie is already that much better. Great video! I enjoy both movies, but ZSJL is on another level. How messed up that WB wanted to copy what Whedon was doing with Avengers and Zack Snyder's cut was looked at as the inferior product? #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

[@jeffcunningham0389]

If you take Whedon away from The Avengers is it better aswell?

[@aakashsaini2184]

@@jeffcunningham0389 Actually yes. The Avengers looked like a TV movie. While Ultron was decently shot, it failed storywise. Both Whedon's Avengers were mediocre and thank god for the Russos!

[@jeffcunningham0389]

@@aakashsaini2184 lol the first avengers is widely regarded as one of the greatest comic book movies of all time. Even Quentin Tarantino loves it as his favorite of the mcu. But you know more than him

[@footsanti5353]

Loved both but ZACK'S movie was better in every aspect, especially visually.... You hear that Whedon?

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Zack is a master of beautiful shots and cinematography 300 and watchmen being peak Zack Snyder awesomeness, While Joss has some bland looking movies as much as I liked the Avengers the movie does look oversaturated

[@ericericson5633]

Most adults wouldn't watch Zack Snyder films because the action has no point. The Avengers focused getting civilians to safety and Zack Snyder's Justice League focused on punching the CGI. Only the very immature liked Zack Snyder's Justice League.

[@theju1603]

@@ericericson5633 did u even watch this video? Or the movie?

[@goldendragon0145]

@@theju1603 He’s just a biased MCU cry baby who gets triggered whenever someone says they like Snyder Cut or anything DC related and also prefers Joss Whedon over the Russo brothers, Christopher Nolan and Matt reeves who he thinks are shit.

[@Retr008]

@@goldendragon0145 welp you explained it well

[@randallrona9618]

The Avengers(2012): Superhero movie with light hearted tone, jokes, banter, great action and good cinematography but less character development & arcs, lack of storytelling and unfair treatment of main characters(Only Loki got better character development because of Tom Hiddleston's performance). Zack Snyder's Justice League: Superhero movie with flawed yet deep understanding, dark & serious tone, great cinematography and better storytelling but had show deeper character development & arcs of each main characters, Steppenwolf and Darkseid were both scary and more intimidating villains & a redemption not just heroes but also Zack Snyder himself(Your daughter will so proud of you, Mr. Snyder).

[@connorapurcell]

"It did feel a little contrived for the heroes to start turning on each other." "To turn on each other felt very out of place for them." ....uh, no shit. Did you seriously never notice why this is? It's because Loki's scepter held the Mind Stone. Because of their proximity, the stone was influencing their minds and causing them to turn on each other. There's even a shot focused on the scepter with the Avengers arguing in the background, to visually show that the scepter was turning them against each other... How could you have missed this???

[@bolehew3057]

Because the guy who did this video lacks any objectivity whatsoever. He’s obviously a huge DC fan. The man can’t recognize that what the MCU has done is the greatest serial filmmaking ever been performed.

[@RenzoBC]

Awe shut your crybaby marvel fanboy ass up! You idiots act like people can't prefer dc movies to marvel movies like the entire world is supposed to just pick marvel movies automatically. Gtfoh! I can't believe the fucking arrogance of you marvel fans bitching because some people like ZSJL over the avengers and can actually criticize marvel without always kissing their ass! The avengers is a weaker movie in every damn way, especially with their weak ass villains like Loki, who was always a joke in that movie!

[@connorapurcell]

@@RenzoBC lol you seem to have responded to the wrong comment because none of your accusations are even slightly valid. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and tastes, and I never suggested otherwise. You, on the other hand, expose yourself as a hypocrite by immediately displaying the behavior you accuse others of engaging in. 🙄

[@TheLastPrime38]

I love both with my whole soul. They both did what I thought was impossible in my lifetime.

[@jtjdrums]

I gave my copy of Avengers to my kids when I tried to rewatch it a third time, and just couldn't concentrate... no longer interested in that style of film making, I guess? However, I've rewatched ZSJL half a dozen times, and it just improves every time. Same with Infinity War... Watching the film a second time on disc was almost painful, but it was a fairly good laugh at the cinema. MCU films are pretty good fun first time round, but imho they're not robust enough for repeated viewings. One of my requirements from a great film is its longevity in rewatching it many times over.

[@dharambasi1928]

Totally agree, I struggle to rewatch an MCU movie whereas I could rewatch DC media many times. Whatever era it may be, DC films always have a sense of rewatch ability.

[@isitpossible3058]

Truth it is very difficult to rewatch infinity war ... infinity war is great movie but mcu movies are only one time watch for me except iron man1,3 🤩...i love iron man 1,3

[@rubeng370]

My story of the 1st Avengers movie, When I was 9 years old I saw Ironman 1 in the theater and loved it, saw Incredible Hulk on DVD and liked it. Then I skipped out on the rest of the movies, not knowing they were connected, and found it strange that Rob Downey was at the end of Hulk and was confused why when my dad pointed it out. I did not watch Avengers in the theater when I was 13, because I only liked and knew Ironman and Hulk. No Spiderman, and no idea who the villains were. So rather than experiencing this epic movie with confusion, I missed out on it. When I finally watched it on DVD, I loved it

[@baconkattid1944]

I like both movies, it will be an interesting comparison though

[@Kramswodahs]

I don't think it would be fair to compare ZSJL with IF like you did with the first Avengers film. They're very different films. One is supposed to be the beginning of a team up and an over arching storyline BUILDING UP to Darkseid, and the other is a a near culmination of almost 10 years worth of films with the pay off of building to Thanos in it.

[@aaronensley9048]

4 years...

[@GaParanormal]

Lol avengers is still..the..start..of..a ..team ...building.....sorry guess I'm just confused lmao made no sense bro

[@Kramswodahs]

Clearly, none of you read my comment properly.

[@spyder-man0462]

Do Suicide Squad (2016) Vs The Suicide Squad (2021)

[@fatnibbanoah1082]

that would be the easiest sweep of all time for the suicide squad 😭 the 2016 one is so bad

[@bullahboi3064]

I feel like it is unfair to use the original Avengers because it was the first of it's kind

[@dosomestuff1949]

So was zsjl. It’s the first team up movie of their respective universes so it is fair. They also have the same generallll plot so yea…

[@theshredder103]

@@dosomestuff1949 he means the avengers movie was the first ever big team up movie from preestablished characters, justice league is made after many team up movies have already been made so it has more to take notes from.

[@dosomestuff1949]

@@theshredder103 doesn’t matter, the avengers had countless comics to take notes from

[@androognoix1685]

Infinity war was the first of it's kind but yet it's better than zsjl. Also Snyder saw what people didn't like about his parts of justice league

[@theshredder103]

@@dosomestuff1949 yes, but it was the firet time it has been done on the big screen, comics cannot be replicated in live action 1:1

[@splash8429]

Avengers movie was first of its kind. It was the first time something to this extent ever happened. So they were really going for a light hearted superhero crossover spectacle where they obviously didn't wanna go too deep and make it any kind of depressing. So for what it was set to do, it did its job well and beyond and prove that it's really possible to make an universe and be successful. And the movie overall was so much fun. But JL was a better overall movie

[@RodrequezRobinson2001]

Justice league a better overall movie, sike that's a good joke my nigga you should be a comedian 🤣

[@CC-dm3iy]

@@RodrequezRobinson2001 idk if he means the snyder cut or the josstice league. But the snyder cut is better than first avengers in every point

[@chaithanyanaidu8716]

fun fact there is a darker version of avengers where movie starts with maria hill talking to council , and including cap's time in new future, and ending with maria hill speech instead of nick fury

[@jeffcunningham0389]

Are you saying that’s factual or your opinion. Cuz in my opinion the Avengers is the much better movie

[@splash8429]

@@jeffcunningham0389 obviously my opinion

[@King_Vangelis]

Here is one thing that makes ZSJL better. In avengers the climax is kinda underwhelming. Which is meant to be the most exciting part. So it didn’t feel like a climax. While ZSJL had a climax that was the best part of the movie. Which is saying al lot. It actually felt like what a climax to a story should be.

[@ericericson5633]

The Avengers SHOWS US civilians in danger so the heroes get the chance to be heroes. Zack Snyder's Justice League is just a big mess of CGI diarrhea. Why am I supposed to care what happens to anyone when I can't see what they're fighting for?

[@Retr008]

@@ericericson5633 why should I care about them again? There not important they prove nothing to the story XD,you need a better taste in movie directing so here is a little lesson: if you want people to actually feel for characters make the memerable and actually important (something that Zack does perfectly) and not make a complete mess with CGI like what wedon did...but ofc your not gonna listen be and be a stubborn lil kid that takes info from the internet so yeah

[@Vesohag]

@@ericericson5633 so you missed Cyborg's vision on what will happen if the Unity gets activated? With the whole world being destroyed? That's what is at stake. Also the lives of the heroes, so we care for them. We even see them die and if it wasn't because of Flash and Cyborg at that point, they would have lost.

[@jeffcunningham0389]

Thats bullshit. ZSJL is a great climax but so was the Avengers. That was the first of its kind and I still believe its better and more FUN than ZSJL. Theres literally nothing underwhelming about it unless u already want to dislike it

[@Vesohag]

@@jeffcunningham0389 I'd say that one thing that was underwhelming to me on the climax was that the Chitauri troops never felt like a threat and more of a thing for the heroes to do cool stunts. Which they were really cool but it is against a bunch of creatures that never really hurt any of the Avengers or put them at risk. On the other hand we see the Parademons killing Amazons, dragging Atlantians out of the sea, hurting Flash twice and almost killing Batman at the chase scene. They do feel like a threat because you see stakes. Plus, the Steppenwolf fights Vs Loki barely doing anything.

[@idazzlinggauss]

Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021 >

[@HawkMaestroTTV]

Its because Avengers (2012) is made by Joss Whedon

[@DerezzedMan]

I disagree with just one thing you said, that MoS and BvS aren't deep. As you also said, there are a lot of things that can be analyzed in both movies.

[@PotatoMaGobinus]

I was jus ab to say, man of steel and bvs are deeper imo than ZSJL

[@indrajithk2561]

@@PotatoMaGobinus yeah i agree. The deep themes of those two movies and WW made the base for ZSJL.

[@TheAwsomeSawse]

It always bugged me that The Avengers never actually did any avenging until Endgame.

[@odil7583]

The Snyder cut is far more interesting and entertaining than the first avengers. But I do think that the first avengers was a good first movie for the avengers

[@Elektr0hazard]

I believe SHIELD makes a huge difference. Avengers has this tone where this huge corporation, this 'official' sort of organisation, has control over the world's current state and they're putting these heroes together as a job and beyond it being a big potential global catastrophe, it still feels like another day of corporate job. ZSJL is Batman, alone, being tormented by this thing Luthor said, what he saw in Luthor's hard drive, after seeing Doomsday almost obliviate the world in a couple hours. He's so worried that he's actively looking to make a team with these strangers he knows nothing about, desperately even. When everything happens just feels like these 6 heroes are always on their own, Steppenwolf's base is in a place without humans for years, no one around the world really knows how close they are from extinction and they are giving their everything for everyone. It's just so much richer emotionally, they're alone against the oldest and darkest power in the universe and they stand proud. You can almost feel that pride yourself when watching the movie, incredibly immersive

[@thomasb6283]

If only Zack Snyders Justice League existed in 2017. The problem is, the DCEU will always carry the baggage of Josstice League on it's shoulders which ruined the DCEU moving forward. And they also needed a second chance to make a better movie than Avengers. Marvels Avengers didn't need a second chance, their first impression was their best and that's why the MCU is very successful to this very day.

[@TheBlond49]

Worst part is that WB still considers Josstice League canon.

[@bolehew3057]

The MCU will always reign supreme because of one man, and one man only. Kevin Feige. Anybody that knows anything about filmmaking recognizes what he has done is nothing short of groundbreaking. He’s a unicorn. If only the WB had someone like him to steer their universe. Maybe it wouldn’t be such a mess.

[@Oracle1426]

@@bolehew3057 1-3 are good but 4 is trash

[@SIoyvenheaven1T800m101]

Avengers is far superior. Good thing the overwhelming majority agree with me.

[@mainstreetsaint36]

Well, that's great. Don't change your opinion for anything. But I watch movies to watch movies, not because there's a majority behind me.

[@SIoyvenheaven1T800m101]

@@mainstreetsaint36 cool

[@sarathomas8499]

I enjoyed MoS and BvS and I think others will too in time. Like fine wine 😂

[@corrosivedevourer]

Those movies aged so well while the MCU movies don't

[@ludwigrinehart9941]

This video is amazing, it's true that if you look at both zack snyder's justice league and avengers 1, zack snyder justice league has more themes and more story behind it and more indepth character moments and arcs. but Justice league probably wouldnt have been possible of avengers hadn't come before it.I also think justice league is visually stunning there are scenes in justice league that I would love to put on my background. Oh and I gave the video a like.

[@EricCarter12]

Thanks buddy! 😊

[@Antonio33880]

@@EricCarter12(2016 suicide squad) vs (2021 suicide squad)

[@TheScarletSlayer]

@@EricCarter12 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJayY3WGhap9ZpI A minute video I made in regards to this video. It's not ment to be taken seriously but I think you'll know why I made it in a moment 🧐🙂

[@stevanmlinar3733]

Cap and Iron Man recruiting a team, what a brilliant thought! P.S Im genuinely agree with everything you said, ZS Justice League is in a class of Infinity War kind of movie, as flash said one of the best of the best.

[@filthyneutral5801]

That doesn't even make any sense. At the time, iron man worked alone and even declined joining the avengers at the end of iron man 2. Hell, in the beginning of avengers 1 he didn't even want to meet with coulson. As for cap, he just became unfrozen

[@Popoff.indigo]

Definitely Zack Snyder’s Justice League

[@kianbos3691]

THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING TRANSFORMERS 3!!! that had always bugged me and it always felt like they ripped off that third act, also do you ever plan to do a transformers vs battle?

[@archienkonjera9281]

Loki was a threat he had a huge army backing him up

[@Dookieman1975]

I think they’re both of equal quality. Neither really makes sense but both are awesome and very different with their own identities

[@BESTMOAD]

Not at all

[@BESTMOAD]

Zsjl is faaaar better

[@Dookieman1975]

@@BESTMOAD ok. But I think they’re both really good. One thing JL has over avengers is that Steppenwolf wins (reminds me of when thanos won) then flash used speed hacks to turn back time (like endgame). And you’re def just saying that because he said ZSJL is better

[@lloyd777]

Nope

[@ramadeviparamkusham5224]

"Until WW84 screwed that up" 👏🤣, that literally did screwed up.

[@sherlockholmes4224]

Snyder cut does not come close to the avengers.

[@aleclessard7670]

I think it does.

[@Muhammad_Shadab_Rahmani5.]

Respect opinions foolish fan

[@haniflawson9225]

To say that the Avengers didn't go through an arc.. Huh? They each ended up in a different spot than they did in the beginning. Steve felt lonely and useless, but found purpose as an Avenger, a teammate, and a friend. Banner learned to accept his rage and stop being so insecure about being seen as a monster. Thor learned to stop blindly trusting Loki. Stark learned to be more of a team player. Natasha learned that lies and manipulation won't always work in her favor, especially in a team dynamic. Hawkeye is the only one that didn't go through an arc, but five out of six ain't bad. And to your point about their conflict feeling contrived - I don't see how. A lot of them already had a bone to pick with each other. Rogers and Stark didn't get along from the jump, Banner didn't trust Natasha or SHIELD, Thor is still blindly defending Loki at this point, and Stark didn't want to "march to Fury's fife", as he puts it. These arguments aren't coming out of nowhere. Being on that Helicarrier was like a pressure cooker already, and their arguments were the boiling point. Now as for Loki, I'd argue he's a way more interesting villain than Steppenwolf. Steppenwolf doesn't have much going for him besides being a big heavy that wants Darkseid's acceptance. He doesn't really play on the Justice League's weaknesses though. He's just something for them to punch. Loki, on the other hand, at least tries to play mind games with the Avengers. Wanting Banner to Hulkout, threatening Natasha, playing on Thor's sympathy... It honestly feels like a lot of the criticisms of Avengers are just surface level, because the writing is way more tight than Snyder's Justice League by a long shot.

[@bobbobson3826]

Nick Fury and Loki both want the same the thing; *power and control.* Loki wants the Tesseract so he can control an army. Fury wants the cube to make weapons in case invaders like Thor show up again. Loki has the answer to the Other the same way Fury answers to the world security council Loki considers humans to be ants himself a boot. Fury repeats this back to Loki when their dynamic has shifted later. The Avengers spend the first two acts being controlled by Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D and it's only after they break free of that control that they're able to work as a team and have a chance at stopping Loki. This is solidified when Banner returns and it's revealed that he has a certain amount control over the Hulk and can be controlled to a point. The Avengers has one thing that Zack Snyder films will never have; *DEPTH* themes character development.

[@sebastiangranados2513]

@@bobbobson3826 i will call... shenanigans on that

[@jimbojimboson8199]

@@sebastiangranados2513 But you won't elaborate?

[@sebastiangranados2513]

@@jimbojimboson8199 Snyder´s films are full with depth (either if you enjoy it or not), saying that Justice League doesn't have is like saying Pearl Harbor movie has no historic base on the attack the island.

[@ValGOPLock]

Yeah, feels like he's really underselling the Avengers movie. It could be sympathy for Zack Synder as a director and the vision he had for the film, but if we put that aside and all the justice the fans wanted for the film, Avengers just does most of it better, especially when it comes to characters and theme.

[@darkseid1341]

10:30 Well atlas vpn was made in 2020 and the avengers was made in 2012.

[@theorycraftingmachine2876]

you actually have to watch four movies before you watch Zack Snyder's Justice League, and those movies are Man of Steel, Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice, Suicide Squad & Wonder Woman!

[@emirsalahudin537]

We can all agree that ZSJL is a better movie but the avenger is the most influental movie

[@EricCarter12]

Yep, for sure.

[@VkG249]

Idk because of ZSJL I think now WB will give their directors more freedom. And I am thankful.

[@ElvenRaptor]

No, we can't all agree, because ZSJL is a terrible, overlong piece of crap.

[@dericjames2018]

@@ElvenRaptor nope wrong

[@ElvenRaptor]

@@dericjames2018 Good luck changin my mind.

[@noticemeonee-san8551]

I got say one thing. Batman leaving GOTHAM behind just to find some guy who can breath underwater is not like batman. He doesn't even know is Aquaman want to join his club or not. And telling other he is Batman before they join the team is also not like Batman.

[@noticemeonee-san8551]

I think Zack can remove WW vs terrorist and add flash power show-off scene. WW already got her solo film so we already know what she can do. Give her screen time to Flash or Aquaman just to showoff their power.

[@jeffcunningham0389]

@@noticemeonee-san8551 he did give flash a scene and he chose to make it a weird, kinda creepy moment with hotdogs and face rubbing. That could have very easily been something else much cooler

[@thejus.klenin9108]

Ya it's not like Nolans batman retired for 7 years after TDK

[@noticemeonee-san8551]

@@thejus.klenin9108 Ya it's not like GCPD want to arrest Batman for Harvey Dent murder

[@definitelynotabot1743]

I feel like this is a weird comparison. These are two tonally different movies that were set up in very different ways. I think I prefer "The Avengers"(I have a bias as a big MCU fan), though "Zack Snyder's Justice League" is a better movie.

[@nothingherezero7182]

Now this is actually a good counterpoint Think what movie is best without your bias but with your bias pick the movie you prefer

[@IsraelNowIsraelForever]

@Eric Carter, Mario Puzo's The Godfather will celebrate its fiftieth anniversary next week. So, I thought you could do Mario Puzo's The Godfather VS Scarface (1932, 1983) video.

[@HawkMaestroTTV]

For justice league u need to watch 3 films not 2. Man Of Steel, BvS and Wonder Woman

[@mookgaming3914]

You should do age of Ultron vs joss whedon justice league That would be a good comparison imo

[@splash8429]

Age of ulton is much much better. I don't think AOU is even a bad movie. It's overstuffed especially trying to plant seeds for future movies which caused them to go off rail from the main plot of the movie but overall, it handled itself decently all things considered. JL 2017 was just awful in every way.

[@harshsen3765]

Wait 2& 3 years DC will beat marvel. And marvel gonna bite the dust

[@Vor567tez]

One thing DC does best is power dynamic. You will actually get the sense of danger and stakes whereas Marvel has Nat a mere human going against aliens, Ned suddenly doing magical portal which took Strange yrs to practice. MCU always has been inconsistent with their power chart. Which is why alot of time it feels very less intense.

[@SixAssedMonkey]

I absolutely LOVE the darker comic book movies. I liked The Avengers, but ZSJL is by far my favorite Superhero movie, with Infinity War in an extremely close second. (I did not care as much for End Game.) I am a frigging adult and these bubblegum jokey movies are really starting to piss me off. Whatever happened to drama? Hollywood is dead...

[@johnjohnson-qb8gd]

Every Marvel movie handles drama better than Zack Snyder ever could.

[@marekpietruszka3832]

@@johnjohnson-qb8gd Why is Gamora?

[@jeffcunningham0389]

Hollywood is dead because they make most superhero movies fun? Lol wth.

[@SixAssedMonkey]

@@jeffcunningham0389 That theory is deeper than just "movies are fun" (gross over-simplification). The whole business is corrupt and they've run out of ideas, not to mention the virtue signaling and constant preaching. I love movies and I'm sick of all the BS surrounding the business these days.

[@jeffcunningham0389]

@@SixAssedMonkey I reject your hypothesis. Ive seen countless movies every year that are fresh and new. Just because they aren’t blockbusters doesn’t mean they’re not good

[@ashwinc3789]

All of Zack Snyder's movies were ahead of its time.

[@edwincaliz6653]

Man of steel and BVS didn’t fail. You just have to understand them…

[@ashwinc3789]

@@edwincaliz6653 exactly and besides man of steel released along with the marvel movies and that definitely didn't help when man of steel came out with a darker and more intense tone. Especially with the combat, Superman goes all out on the Kryptonians, not saying that it doesn't have flaws but it was still a great movie.

[@rayvintankerson6818]

also the dc heroes are much more well known and popular then most marvels at the time, but the avengers actors alot of em like hawkeye and widow for example. had no real prior media and exposure for the actors to base their performances on and they kinda had to create the personalities themselves. I think the dc superheroes had it alot easier in their roles even in their character development and arcs because there is tons of movies and tv shows for all of them to take inspiration from specifically talking batman superman and wonder woman. As opposed to RDJ and chris evans literally creating what the comic book standard was for their heroes in their look and personalities. Chris Evans didnt have the luxury of the dark knight trilogy to research his role. Where as with someone like tony or hell even bucky being as dark as he is, Sebastian Stan had the flexibility to have those light hearted and funny moments becuz they really are their characters and no one else had portrayed those characters like that in a live setting with batman. its just weird when u try to make him the comedic relief unless its in the most subtle way possible like a smirk or a look like in the WB cartoons or even pattinson. it throws off the characters whole vibe because you alr know hes batman and hes supposed to be a certain way. So all though i think snyder had the better cinema, as far as characters i cut marvel some slack because i feel the actors and writers had to put more work into the characters and mostly create these personas on their own then grow them into something more, rather then the personas already being hand crafted and handed over on the silver dc platter that is mega popularity lolll side note, i also think the synder cut was kind of forced to have everyone go thru a big arc because they didnt know how many movies theyd even have in this universe to give the characters growth. captain america got a trilogy and a 4th to complete the journey and get back to peggy. dont think even flash will b getting that many movies and i think they knew tht. Marvel alr had the wheels turnin for phase 4 lol which is crazy to think. So props to snyder and the writers cuz they did a good job squeezing 2 movies of stuff for sum characters into this 4 hour film

[@terredelsogno856]

Excuse me for my english :(

[@IsraelNowIsraelForever]

You also need to watch Wonder Woman before watching Justice League, Zack Snyder's Justice League, and Zack Snyder's Justice League: Justice League: Justice Is Gray Edition. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse #ZackSnydersJusticeLeague #UsUnited

[@kinggoku7332]

I wanna see zack Snyder’s justice league vs avengers infinity war

[@FrancisL4D]

ZNJL is the definition of Third times the charm. Zack Snyder fkn nailed it.

[@odil7583]

I can tell you don’t hate the avengers as much as you used to.

[@jsmlxjs5268]

I have been legit waiting for this. Eric has provided. Absolute legend

[@arandomcommenter8395]

You don't know how hyped I was when I saw he posted a new video

[@har5814]

I really love Zack Snyder's Justice League last year and I think it's a masterpiece.

[@ricobuttonpusher7061]

Here’s the deal: there wouldn’t be a Justice league movie if there wasn’t an avengers movie first

[@michaeldemiurgos1387]

Here's the Deal as well. Marvel wouldn't exist without DC.

[@ricobuttonpusher7061]

@@michaeldemiurgos1387 Perfectly balanced

[@jofincj5027]

@@michaeldemiurgos1387 👍😂

[@duhduh14]

bro now that I look at it side by side, the Avengers look like it was shot on an Iphone LMFAO

[@Kiryugojianimations]

When will you compare Godzilla vs Kong to Godzilla KOTM

[@GioAtero]

Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021) is a gift to humanity. A powerful piece of 7th Art able to generate such an unbeatable, yet human catharsis; only present in every sublime piece of classical artistry capable of making anyone shed in tears. 🔗🌍 Few Masters still follow such ancient teachings & traditions in crafting to portrait a modern epos. 💥🦾 The title is capable of reaching the soul and making us reconsider the world in which so many people share this existencial plane, while each one of them follow their own rules, manners & values. ⏳💀 Straight to the point, we seek to protect our children for them to inherit the keys of this realm, and shape it in the correct form we could not. ⚜ That is the core between lines, how individually and in collectively we tried our best, but failed due to our natural and spiritual barriers; the ego. It is the reason why the father dedicated his work to Autumn. 🍁🍂

[@ericericson5633]

Showing the Justice League die and the going "nah, only joking," Flash has time travel powers is terrible storytelling and removes all stakes, drama and tension. Remember when Twilight was being raked over the coals for doing the exact same thing?

[@TotallyActing]

Not the exact same thing, time travel doesn’t remove all the stakes, the knightmare future is still set. Twilight was just seeing the future, in this film the future literally happens. And it makes a beautiful and powerful scene. The flash’s character is aware that he doesn’t like messing with time “crazy things happen to time… I don’t like breaking this rule”

[@reddittron9622]

Avengers was a better superhero team up origin movie,but Zack Snyder's justice league was a better movie over all

[@thisguy555]

“And now, I feel like it.” 😂🔥