Why Snyder Cut Worked where Josstice League Failed | One v One

[@Filmento]

And I personally wouldn't mind some more of these movies... how about you?

[@Druzian]

I really want at max more 2 movies! But zack said he wont make another dc movie 😭

[@safo-squad6785]

Absolutely

[@agent_w.]

nice

[@Js78l9]

Ah yes the josstice league

[@jammygamer8961]

@@Druzian Well sort of. He doesn't think he will be able to do another movie. But he is all for doing another one if he gets the chance

[@jcjftzusurugi]

Barry runs back so fast that he able to change the director to Snyder just to safe back the production. Thank u Barry.

[@adamrak7560]

:D That is something that Deadpool would do. Like killing Ryan Reynolds before he could accept the role for Green Lantern.

[@jcjftzusurugi]

@@adamrak7560 hahaha so true!

[@Lelmao33]

Hopefully it doesn't become Flashpoint paradox

[@mshaman86]

Run barry run

[@ountak2395]

Unfortunately dc won’t be continuing the Snyder verse

[@gf1006]

Fatherhood being a theme broke my heart, considering that most likely means that it was dedicated to his daughter before she passed

[@brandonbumby2356]

When I found out he stepped away due to the tragedy no father should ever experienced, made me appreciate his work in his Cut more and understand his drive to finish what he started for his daughter.

[@MBJ829]

@@brandonbumby2356 same man and the way wb fucked over Zack and making Joss fuck up Zack’s vision with his reshoot to sabotage his vision is so fucked up and well let’s just say wb didn’t even watch the Snyder cut so they didn’t know shit about what anything in that movie meant especially when Barry reversed time

[@Idkwhattoput456]

Yeah at the end it says, “For Autumn“

[@Whatchamawhozit]

That is a common theme in his films, dating back to 2004's Dawn of the Dead. When everyone was sitting around the table in the mall asking what they were best at and what there Job was before Zombpocalypse, Michael (Jake Webber) said he was best at being a dad. Snyder's films revolve around family, also until his daughter died he had 8 kids. So something tells me Zack may have had parental issues when he was younger or was raised in a home that family was always put first. Which made me think he should direct one Fast & Furious film because of the FAMILY theme. Although, word is he vowed no more PG-13 films.

[@thefreerepublicofadmiralpr2935]

@@Whatchamawhozit I agree. Although I’ve never seen the Fast and Furious franchise, Snyder would absolutely do an amazing job with it.

[@TheRoomforImprovement]

Steppenwolf was so fixated on going home to darkseid. In the end, that’s exactly what happened to him.

[@sausthabbirsinghtuladhar1729]

damn bro

[@C3Think]

Jeezus I didn't even think of this

[@jesusolguin5896]

I but the end result was he came back in 2 pieces

[@battlefrontgameplay1388]

He said he wanted to go home but he never said how

[@ambroseeng4950]

@@jesusolguin5896 if his horns count as pieces, then it's 3

[@dr.lasagne3384]

One minor change I really like about the Snyder cut is how Aquaman no longer hates cyborg and instead deeply empathises with him and the loss of his father. It feels much more believable than just hating on him and further adds context to how Aquaman loves his own father.

[@Backfisch5927]

Aquaman accuses cyborg of working for darkseid after he rescued them and the scientists. Also in joss's cut he didn't “just hate on him” but actually had a reason, since cyborgs arm malfunctioned. (Instead of it being a self defense mechanism that works on superman, but not on steppenwolf or darkseid)

[@mlgamings6110]

​@@Backfisch5927yeah, but that was it. After Cyborg explained himself, Aquaman was never a dick anymore to Cyborg. Even after Cyborg attacked Superman, Aquaman was much more sympathetic and less douchy towards Victor. So I still much prefer Snyder's version.

[@itzjosh1k625]

@@Backfisch5927bro even after Cyborg had explained himself in the Batcave scene Aquaman continued to hate him

[@Daxons]

I like how others did some magic shit to guard the boxes and men just went and dug a hole.

[@yatinpahwa4764]

Lol. I thought the same thing. Both the parties are like - let's protect it and men are like - "u know what put it a box and bury it". Ironically the men box was the only one not found steppenwolf.

[@orzhov12]

Ironically Steppenwolf had the most trouble finding the human Box.

[@cptTK421]

@@orzhov12 When the "primitive beings" give you the most grief

[@leirbag1595]

To be fair, the hideout of the guardians would be the first place you'd look at. If I had something you wanted and I hid it somewhere in Alaska's soil, you'd struggle to find it too.

[@damnthebran]

Better than building a huge temple broadcasting where they were lol. I think man was hiding it rather than protecting it.

[@desurya1083]

Josstice league: *Superman are the strongest member, that's why he so important* Snyder cut: *Everyone is important, that's why they are strong together*

[@akaneriyun4774]

Pretty much. Supes is not enough to do everything but he's still a very valuable member of the team. Flash is the MVP tho

[@trishaykaul9511]

Like the Old man said ..... ... "Together"

[@alkalostrytoart1024]

I still remember that massive campaign that they did with Josstice League with the tagline "You can't save the world alone", and proceed to slap all of us with that final act where superman does everything better than anybody (beating steppenwolf, rescuing civillian, and separating the boxes).

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

yep!

[@ramkumarv9748]

@@akaneriyun4774 i

[@ignasvasiliauskas284]

Imagine making a movie so bad that everyone goes to watch a better version of it a few years later and get double profit from one film.

[@PrechtGaebolgHades]

I don't think they got any profit from the first one considering it was a flop and never brought any profit for WB. And this one aint a blockbuster either since Hbo max spent 100m to complete and market it. Only way they will profit as if they get more subs and resubs from consumers.

[@simonhannah7219]

Warner Brothers must be laughing....

[@hazyworld8626]

@@PrechtGaebolgHades it might have been, When this movie came out, HBO Max crashed for hours, at least on my end.

[@potateto]

@@PrechtGaebolgHades it doubled its budget from 300 mil to 657.9 mil not a flop but not a good justice league movie im talking 2017 not snyders cut that was awesome

[@cc-xz6sp]

Wait... Do you mean that it is all a plan ?!

[@chico1786]

I would like to add something. In the Snyder Cut almost everything is set up properly. Nothing comes out of nowhere. Even Flash's ability to turn back time is properly set up, as they discussed it earlier in the movie. He said himself, that he has a rule to never go near the speed of light, as physics.exe stops working. And he cannot predict what kind of ramifications that could have. The fear of resurrecting superman is instilled in them by the motherbox itself, which is really cool.

[@philiphobgen8283]

You're right. I did wonder whether Flash screwed up the timing of reaching the motherboard when resurrecting superman as well. He approaches just as the box breaks the surface of the liquid but then as he gets closer the box actually rises put again toward his finger as he reaches out to touch it and push it in to the liquid as he arrives. Either way it is an awesome bit of foreshadowing.

[@daniyalvirk6302]

@@philiphobgen8283 yes thats why it says the future has taken route in the present

[@Samanosuke1138]

The one thing about this, the UE of BVS, there are NO wasted shots. Everything adds weight, depth and meaning to the movie as a whole. I respect that.

[@kaitospin3944]

The biggest grace of the 4 hour cut is that Steppenwolf stopped repeatedly saying "motherrr... motherrr"

[@kazikek2674]

WWWWHEEERRRRRRR IS MAI MOTHEERRR~! :D

[@Refining1]

I couldn't even understand what Steppenwolf was sayin in Josstice League, tbh. He was so underwhelming; probably the flattest, driest villain I've ever seen on film. No energy, color, or charisma at all.

[@travisadams6279]

@@Refining1 I get that, but what is the big difference with the Snyder cut version of Steppenwolf? I just dont see a big difference honestly.

[@Refining1]

@@travisadams6279 There wasn't a big difference but definitely a noticeable difference. He had a cooler/more charismatic look with the armor and more beastly appearance, he had more of a personality, was more frightening, and had an actual goal and reasoning that we could understand.

[@travisadams6279]

@@Refining1 I liked the CGI better, thats for sure. That means the armor as well. And him trying to make something up to Darkseid is better than saying mother over n over I guess. I just wish the whole thing was better. Wish he was smarter and more menacing. The thing between him and Darkseid was explained. And that there were actual stakes for him conquering earth. Because he apparently owes 50 thousand other worlds, which is insane. And that also means even if he triumphs or falls through on earth, thats only one more. Who writes this crap? And why?

[@illuminatihov]

It’s mind boggling how they cut out literally every element of what makes a story a freaking story

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

but instead 2017 JL we got stupid jokes! that's better right? Right?!

[@yosefty5401]

@@Gadget-Walkmen They literally destroyed the foundation of the characters for cheap Jokes like...SINCE WHEN DOES BATMAN MAKE JOKES WHAT DA FUUUUUUUU

[@izsan9070]

Snyder give justice back to Justice League.

[@DMS_Shisui]

@@yosefty5401 Batman can make jokes, so long as it's not every damn minute. A few one liners here and there would've been sufficient.

[@jamesmason7979]

This is what happens when a studio demands that a film's runtime is cut in half, demands reshoots, and opts to rush the film out without it's director because they want their bonuses.

[@codsamanta]

After 4 hours when the credits rolled, my dad was like "Wait, where's the rest? Put on the next part!" I think he definitely liked it.

[@jitd9716]

Same here, also it really didn't seem like a 4hour long movie as almost every scene was engaging and full of purpose.....Sadly, that rest will never come out as long as WB is run by these executives.... :(

[@codsamanta]

@@jitd9716 Yeah, my dad was really disappointed to hear that and went on a rant about it so I told him that DC have really nice animated films that are better than whatever they're doing with the actor movies so...long story short we'll be watching all of them for our movie afternoon for a while. Maybe DC should stick to animations since these are really well done.

[@codsamanta]

@@Fuckyouhoe124 I did actually! We watched 4 or so already and he loves them 😊

[@_mossy_8520]

@@codsamanta damn that sounds amazing

[@putinofficial6980]

@@codsamanta you got a great dad send our regards and love to my g

[@themushroom_dude]

Steppenwolf was so well acted and written in this film that in the scene when he first talks to DeSaad we can feel his desesperation and sadness to return to his home world

[@nightvisiongoggles]

That's why Ciaran Hinds spoke out against the Whedon Cut

[@cashthecurator666]

I love Steppenwolf, he reminds me of Zuko from Avatar. He’s done horrible things, but it’s because he just wants to go home and be accepted by his family. I wish that he actually explained to Batman and Wonder Woman why he was doing this in the first place, and maybe he’d get a redemption arc.

[@AkaiUchiha-hm9jy]

the mfka even had sad puppy dog eyes

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

"Whether you love or hate Zack Snyder as a filmmaker at least he knows how to be respectful to these characters in terms of how they have been established" Filmento spewing facts

[@ProjektTaku]

hi again

[@sportsgamer8524]

Oh wow it’s really him

[@ProjektTaku]

@@sportsgamer8524 yeah

[@Neddyhk]

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA. No..... "[H]e knows how to be respectful to these characters in terms of how [he has] established [them]." (Which is what Filmento actually said [in this Universe, basically the same], and is VERY true) Anyone who's read a single Superman Comic knows that Zack Snyder doesn't give two ***** about Superman. He wanted Superman to be Rorschach. That being said, this shows - CATEGORICALLY - that Zack Snyder is an exponentially better film-maker than Joss Wheedon.

[@master0fthearts894]

Are you certain about that? I mean, Batman kills constantly in a non “Lost your way” storyline back in BvS. It may just be one example, but it’s a biggie. Maybe he did better in this film (I haven’t seen it yet) but he hasn’t done it *perfectly,* to say the least. Also, Superman was changed to “Symbol of Hope” to a kind of depressed character that only cares for Lois Lane. As I said, it’s probably more well-adapted in The Snyder Cut, and Superman was still decently well-adapted, but it’s still not really a perfect adaptation, nor is it what Superman was and stood for.

[@JoshuaDontASK]

One thing I loved was about the flash story. He went from running in circles trying to manage with his dad saying “He’s gotta stop running in circles wasting his potential.” While in the last minutes he stops running in circles to run towards his purpose turning time back saving the day.

[@elpretender1357]

Subtlety is trully a beautiful thing.

[@watchingvideosalot3960]

Thanks for making the Flash even cooler for me! I had to split the movie between two days and missed that.

[@Zaacdrums]

@@watchingvideosalot3960 hope you have time to watch all together.

[@gavinvelez1468]

God the flash story was the worse part of the movie, god what garbage

[@terriuslin4744]

@@gavinvelez1468 keep crying hater

[@Kmart3535]

Personally, I think Steppenwolf’s design is probably the most undermentioned thing the Snyder cut does better than Josstice League, he actually looks like a super dangerous alien instead of some ancient goat man

[@jorgemerino4268]

Goat man lol

[@troyyap5892]

GOAT MAN 🤣🤣🤣

[@YoungPadawan85]

instead of some ancient goat man haha

[@shreshtajaiswal7415]

Probably the only thing for Steppenwolf which just makes me wanna like the Josstice League version more is the eyes. Wtf was Zack thinking when he gave the cutest puppy eyes to a dangerous alien lol

[@mice2283]

@@shreshtajaiswal7415 To convey emotion and purpose so people can relate to the villain. Why do you think they gave the same eyes to Thanos?

[@wizkid8422]

Can u believe Joss Whedon even cut out the scene where Barry uses his speed to stop all the rocks from falling on the ppl Stephenwolf kidnapped, he literally said that the audience wouldn't understand what was happening an when I seen it in the Snydercut I thought it was one of the best scenes, cuz it showcased Barry's speed, Thank goodness we got the Snydercut

[@stephentsai6762]

Filmento mentions WB cutting the "Flash saves the world" as "what else have they cut". Another example; in Wonder Woman, WB wanted to cut the "No-Man's Land" scene and Patty Jenkins had to fight to keep it in. It's now widely regarded as one of the best scenes in the movie. So yeah, WB execs are basically completely ignorant about what makes superhero movies great.

[@NarwahlGaming]

As an insider of the trucking industry I can always tell when colleges have had their graduations because every factory will suddenly start using new policies and/or suddenly get a bunch of new safety gear. The kids come out of college with their fancy new degrees and get corporate office jobs at the factories and feel like they have to thump their chests and prove themselves so, they implement a bunch of useless rules. It's probably the same thing in Hollywood. Kids get degrees. Become big shot producers for a company and just do anything - without thought - to prove that they were worth the hire. [The new safety gear and policies go unused after 6 months and collect dust in an Indiana Jones style warehouse when the kids finally become complacent.]

[@Mntan]

This makes me think that WB execs are Marvel fanboys in disguise, sabotaging DC's attempts of making good movies

[@blackjacklastshack6111]

Why would they try to get rid of the no-mans land scene? WW1 was defined around trench warfare and the horrors of it.

[@megamanxhunter]

@MistaJ2002 I mean the stupidity. 1st, the planet blew up. 2nd, even if it didn't, the ship Clark arrived in was built to fit him as a baby.

[@MIGBMWLOVER]

@@blackjacklastshack6111 they don't know WW1 history apparently...

[@heavyspoilers]

This video is just one top tier meme after the other. You killed it.

[@justjake385]

Yeah I agree.

[@susanmanandhar6196]

Hey I know u

[@frostkilling]

@@susanmanandhar6196 you've committed crimes against Skyrim and its people, what do you say in your defence?

[@Goras147]

"Where is my mother" had me wheezing

[@malcolmmcnab9254]

My guy lol I'm definitely subbing here too now 😂

[@TheZoobZoobs]

For Zack Snyder this was his closure, it still has a lot of flaws, but it's much more coherent, and for him, it was a way to find peace because he associated it with his daughter's suicide. They removed him while he was grieving, so to finish it, for Zack Snyder, it meant finding peace. You can tell how much this meant to him by the sheer number of times he thanks everyone for enabling him and by the credits when he dedicates the film to his daughter. I hope he will find happiness again.

[@madaodog__7224]

Wow i didn't know that, this comment makes me feel strange, this movie has been the only movie that has made me feel hooked as i'm a (rookie) fan and when the easter eggs and plot twists had me so hyped, i have been struggling with suicidal/self-harming thoughts so this movie was worth staying up until 3 am with no breaks, knowing this made me feel really good and that Zack lost someone to something i'm really familiar with it's strange, yet i feel like he took my mind off the weight on my shoulders for a night, and made feel something i haven't felt in a while. Sorry for ranting it's just a funny feeling for me tbh

[@danielmillward9947]

People need to stop saying but it's flawed or got alot of flaws about any film because every movie ever made is heavily flawed if u actually dig deep into their stories, it all depends on whether you enjoy what's being shown

[@ShivamPatel-yq7rr]

According to a superhero movie its definitely better' than most

[@danielmillward9947]

@@ShivamPatel-yq7rr yes 👍

[@danielmillward9947]

@Micolash it doesn't have many for a superhero film 😂

[@atomgroup3179]

I was so surprised to be touched by Cyborg, who I never truly felt standing out as a justice league member. The moment that he saves his father out of impulse and said “you are my father” makes me like the human side of Victor. Also, I never thought revisiting the story of reviving Superman could be so thrilling, OMG that Superman projection they put on the mother box is so inspiring

[@SublineYT]

The Snyder Cut is the product of giving a director full creative-freedom over his movie, studios should learn from this.

[@PittsburghSonido]

I genuinely can’t believe the studio (if the reports are true) saw what ZS had in mind for his own cut and turned it down. ZS’s JL isn’t perfect but it’s leagues better than JW’s. I state it again: Unbelievable.

[@domphilbrick]

Wonder Woman 1984 is also the product of giving a director creative freedom. The problem isn’t over who makes the decisions, the problem is simply whether the decisions are good or not.

[@reduxren]

@Andy 8583 you forgot to mention the originals too😐, The prequels still Tell a good story, the sequels Don't have that freedom and look how they turned out, worse💀

[@astrobird11]

Especially with marvel , because ant-man when it came out the director was Edgar wright , the movie could've been much better than it ended being if marvel didn't take Edgar wright's creative freedom.

[@Nite-Mite]

But he still doesn't get DC comics though. The Snyder Cut was better, but that's not saying much, it's actually pretty easy to make a better movie than Josstice League, but apparently it's too hard for Snyder to make an actually good DC movie. Directors shouldn't be constrained too much, I agree, but also get directors who understand the source material in the first place, that's another big lesson people need to learn.

[@hntrl8880]

Glad they did Steppenwolf justice. Made him a Villain I actually cared for

[@porassrivastava8242]

More like Steepenpuppy.

[@irshadtyo]

I felt bad when he died 😭😭😭😭

[@sportsgamer8524]

@@porassrivastava8242 More like Stepponmyballs🤤🤤

[@The_Viktor_Reznov]

Honestly? I still didn't care for him. It's really good I knew the motive behind his plan - his plan being to take over the world and his motive was to go home (as opposed to destroying the planet for the sake of it) - but I never cared because they didn't say why he would want to go home. He was hated, humiliated and expelled from his home world - why did he want to go home so badly? What was there for him to want it so badly? His actually loving family? Wealth? Fame? If my government humiliated me and kicked me out of my country I would say "fuck you". I would want to go back if my stuff/ family/ wealth or whatever was still there but they never said or implied that in the movie. Take Thanos for example. You know his plan - find the Infinity Stones. His motive? To balance the universe. Why? Because he witnessed his home world and his species being annihilated due to lack of balance.

[@tooth1539]

@@The_Viktor_Reznov The way you described Steppenwolf reminded me of Prince Zuko from Avatar

[@arrownoir]

They made Steppenwolf both more ruthless and way more sympathetic. You actually feel for the guy when he gets defeated.

[@7095Sean]

Especially when he gets bullied by Desarrd. I want those 50,000 planets by Monday Steppenwolf.

[@Yxsl91]

@@7095Sean *Darkseid

[@7095Sean]

@@Yxsl91 I do mean Dessard the guy Steppenwolf was talking to before he could talk to Darkseid/

[@Yxsl91]

@@7095Sean oh ok

[@Yxsl91]

@@7095Sean his name is Desaad and it was Darksied who wanted the planets not him

[@wickedcatsrodriguez]

The Snyder cut just made sooooo much sense. Yes, it was longer, but it finally allowed the audience to understand it all. Joss made this movie feel so much longer, and the Snyder cut being longer, I felt I could have watched it forever.

[@gkbluestocking]

Josstice League was endless. 4 hours of Snyder’s cut flew back, immersed in the story.

[@ii-mp1sp]

@@gkbluestocking Most DC fans disagree with you.

[@AnotherLawyer93]

Honestly, the whole time Steppenwolf was begging to go home, my cousins and I (all grown adults lol) were like "awww" and "wtf why'd they make him so cute" with his watery eyes and I felt really bad when he died in the end

[@ssscunha]

me too

[@diagonxx1866]

He just wanna go homeeeee

[@AbdulB]

Same here. I found it really hard to take him seriously as a supervillain when he kept making puppy dog eyes.

[@triadwarfare]

@@AbdulB i think that's what Joss and the WB execs did so they approved those changes.

[@mikatteba225]

They sent him hom at least

[@jangminoona]

I was constantly shouting out, oh that's why that happened! Like I always hated how Lois just shows up out of nowhere when Supes is resurrected, but now it made sense since she goes to the site every day. Loads of unexplained things were suddenly totally logical.

[@savioblanc]

Hahaha... same thing. I was literally stopping the film to scream out exactly that. "Ohhh! That's why they did this" "ohhh! That's why she just showed up"

[@kake2978]

Uhhh didn’t Alfred bring her when Superman was resurrected or are u talking about another thing

[@ipsyc]

The fuck you mean ? Batman told Alfred to bring her :/

[@hinatashoyo1748]

@@kake2978 That movie is extremely forgetful. I didn’t realize Alfred brought her until rewatched the scene.

[@MegaRayland]

@@kake2978 Yes he did, but it still looked odd and evidently a patch for something else that was supposed to be there. But it also was intended (in Josstice League) to be an explainer of what Barry from the future meant when he showed up in BvS, which also looked odd and unrelated. Now we know why.

[@forgotmyself9205]

2017 Stepphenwolf : Mother! Mother. MOOOOOTHEEEEER! 2021 Stepphenwolf : I will redeem myself. no Protecters, No lanters here, This world will fall, like all others, For Darkseid

[@noone-qu5ec]

There are no protectors here, no lantern, no kryptonian. This world will fall like all others....

[@atharva3017]

He was 1000x more badass and better

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

yep! super cool!

[@yung_wise5861]

@@TinyMonkeyBrain 2017 is so much worse though. By heaps and mountains. 2017 stepphenwolf made me wince through out every scene he was in when I saw this at theaters

[@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873]

So it's "daddy daddy DADDY" instead. What's nuanced about this? He was an ecoterrorist with the wild vines running amok in josstice. He's a homesick mercenary here. That's it

[@SwfanredLotr]

Spoilers for the ending I must say that it was a surprise to see the Martian Manhunter actually making an appereance and Leto actually was impressive as Joker for once.

[@ethanharman2512]

good direction changes a lot i mean think about the scenes he was given to act in suicide squad they were never good joker scenes

[@nimblesloth888]

The fact that they got rid of Steppenwolf's Oedipus complex, was a major improvement.

[@yesmansam6686]

Pardon me?

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@@yesmansam6686 If I remember correctly, he constantly said that he had to find his "Mother" or something, meaning the Motherboxes.

[@yesmansam6686]

@@johannesseyfried7933 Ah, yes, that's right.

[@dlbutters7164]

Who never dreamed of getting mother's box at least once? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@dominiqueodom3099]

@@yesmansam6686 that got me too lol 😂

[@somethingthatexists2553]

A nice detail with Cyborg accepting himself is that in his mind he's in his human form but when he finally DOES accept himself he sees himself as cyborg on his head

[@MilornDiester]

I didn't notice it. Amazing detail. Thank You

[@thierry8978]

A less nice detail is that he looks like a videogame character with a real human's face pasted onto it 100% of the time.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@thierry8978 lol no, the cgi looks great and awesome for the most part. Only one complaining right now is you, stop it!

[@PATHANSALAR99]

@@MilornDiester watch canadian lads video, he explained it !!

[@TheDeathwhish]

You blew my mind. I never thought about that.

[@johnnyle8018]

"Ready the armada, we will use the old ways" this line is better than entire jostice league movie. It send shiver to my spine.

[@clunkwestweed4541]

b r u n c h

[@mattstorm6568]

What are the "old ways", Darkseid getting nearly spilt in 2 by an axe and carried off in humiliation back to his ship? ZS dropped the ball on making DSeid a menace.

[@R0B1NG5]

Honestly, the comics, the Superman animated series, even the Injustice 2 fighting game all had better Darkseids. I was massively disappointed by him. Just another tall CG man who is evil for evils sake, with no other personality traits to describe him with, none of his trademark intelligence or wisdom to share. Just generic "badass" movie villain lines with a deep distorted voice. Instantly deflate his threat by have him easily beaten by random GC characters you have no attachment to. This is the guy who inspired Thanos. Now they made him look like the store brand knock off with this movie. You can say this is a cool line because it about the only thing he actually does. It has to be a top 5 moment, because what else does he actually do in this movie to add up to 5 moments? The worst part is this movie added a time travel deus ex machina which would have been a perfect time to showcase and tease DS for future movies. Before Flash reverses time, have DS step through the portal and "win". Have him Omega beam most of the team with easy and then go toe to toe with Superman in a fight, hands behind his back crushing him verbally before one decisive blow nocks back Superman and they stare down as the mother boxes activate. Then have flash reverse time and win as they do normally in the movie. But showing DS as an actual threat for the future, and being true to the character. I can't believe any true Darkseid fan is happy with what we actually were shown in this movie.

[@clunkwestweed4541]

@@R0B1NG5 If only Warner Bros wasn't run by idiots and let their properties succeed by giving them to an artist with a vision.

[@mattstorm6568]

@@R0B1NG5 Flash also needs to die when he does it, otherwise the drama of that moment is pointless, and as you say it breaks everything since Flash can always reverse time with no consequences.

[@mars_ultor4684]

7:05 I feel like this scene where the Flash reverses time to spare a few more seconds can tie in with the quote "No sacrifice, no victory", because as we know, the Flash's ability to tap into the speed force cannot revert a tampered timeline back to its original, like in the Flashpoint paradox, but makes a completely new timeline out of the tampered timeline. I agree completely that it was completely wrong to cut out what I think is the most important scene in the Justice League film, because since he made a new timeline like in the Superman resurrection scene, where he again reversed time to spare a few seconds. This would mean that Darkseid wouldn't just conquer Earth and the heroes are still alive in some way. As we see in the resurrection scene, Cyborg gets a vision of a dark future, where both Aquaman and Wonder Woman are killed by Darkseid (I'm assuming Wonder Woman was killed by Darkseid here) and Superman is turned into a slave to Darkseid with the Anti Life Equation. This actually makes sense since Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Superman are kind of the power players of the Justice League. But back to the Flash reversing time to save the Justice League scene, by reversing time, Flash may have hastened that dark future somehow or maybe an entirely new dark future was made. This was also cut out in the Justice League. And the fact that Joss Whedon chose to cut out such crucial bits and pieces of the original film makes me believe that Joss Whedon and the Christmas bonus seeking idiots at Warner bros are in fact... well, idiots. btw this is how I interpret the film and is entirely an opinion so feel free to give me shit if I'm wrong

[@t65bx25]

Honestly the Parademons were one of the most surprising improvements in the whole cut to me. In Marvel, there have been three spooky-alien-armies throughout the films: Chitauri from Avengers, Sakarran from GOTG, and Outriders from Infinity War. None of them got hardly any backstory or explanation other than “Free Space Army for Rent, Curtesy of Thanos.” The Snyder Cut really took me from left field with the bit about them being brainwashed souls from conquered worlds, and honestly made them far more interesting as a threat.

[@suddenllybah]

... eh. It's just a zombie army. ... and what they were in the comics. /shrug

[@TheWarchiefZekeJaeger]

Shame the "morphing" scene didn't happened, it would explain why Steppenwolf had a batallion of parademons by the end.

[@jack-exzolt9858]

@@TheWarchiefZekeJaeger They were made from Apokolips. Since Steppenwolf can't go back home, we can't see them being made because he doesn't have the means to do so. He had no ship nor Hell Furnace machines to make them. He just have a swarm of them, if we follow the source material each Apokolips New God would have at least a million if not more at their disposal.

[@nobodyofknowhere973]

Wait until you see paradooms

[@dimaudalow]

I wouldn't say parademons were improved that much, although there've been a few nice touches. Especially that one parademon who shot Barry in the final fight and secured the loss of JL if not for Barry turning back time.

[@zahabiapancha5652]

After watching ZSJL I understood why the actor who plays Cyborg was so happy it released and is quitting the DCEU

[@UltimateNut]

Sad we didn’t get to see more of his Cyborg

[@only4learningg]

Also sad that Henry Cavill got fired for no reason

[@kentinson1670]

Warner Bros really shot themselved in the foot by firing two amazing actors

[@beelzebub9972]

@@kentinson1670 the problem with the cyborg guy Is he cry racist after one of the writers I mean a literal legend of a writer said he should say booh yah a homage to the famous iteration of cyborg from teen titans

[@BrazenLunatic]

@@beelzebub9972 WB executives said "An angry black man can't be the heart of the movie" Of course he would cry racist ffs.

[@DrGodzilla1954]

“Childhood like schizophrenia with a parent who doesn’t exist” That actually sounds like an awesome concept for a villain.

[@rickblaine9670]

Norman Bates would like a word.

[@GJBattles]

@@rickblaine9670 His mom existed though, he just killed her and took on her personality out of guilt.

[@steelbear2063]

May I present to you Silent Hill 4 : The Room?

[@cherri.mp4527]

*one winged angel plays in the distance* (i may be wrong, but idk

[@jagonz70580]

Uhmmm... Would Sephiroth count?

[@megamax6004]

In Josstice League they treated Lois’s feelings towards Clark’s death less like she lost the person who was everything to her and more like Clark has been dead for years and Lois has gotten over his death off screen.

[@athenajaxon2397]

That was actually a good point about how Joss wrote Batman the same way in and out of his suit because the MCU doesn't have secret identities I never thought about it like that

[@grimmywizard]

I wanna roundhouse kick Joss

[@omaralfar1666]

@@grimmywizard Same

[@LittleCheebs]

ummm Spiderman?

[@projekt2745]

@@LittleCheebs Spiderman still acts the same in and out of the costume.

[@PauloJrchannel]

@@LittleCheebs Marvel couldn't even legally use Spider-Man back when Joss was there.

[@justjonathan392]

Nobody talks about how WB scrapped Steppenwolfs design because it was scary. I've never seen a cuter villian.

[@diegobarriga6604]

He was the physical representation of 🥺+👿

[@parsashirali8957]

In armor he was terrifying . And then you notice the puppy eyes

[@justjonathan392]

@@parsashirali8957 Exactly, you just go from "Grrr,that bastard killed the Amazons" to "Aww, who's a good boi"

[@WolfWood893]

When he goes blue eyes he is more scary looking.

[@rickblaine9670]

Apart from the fact that I found Josstice Steppenwolf to be way scarier, because of both the ugly CGI and the constant perverted look he had in his eyes😂

[@juanlaise1059]

Made me care for Cyborg(went from me not wanting him in the movie to having him as my favorite character) Made me care for Flash(comic relief only before, now the hero of the movie) Made Batman useful(he takes down most of the Parademons and destroys the shield allowing the rest to enter) Steppenwolf is a character now(no longer a "MOTHER" boy) Superman is still OP but does not overshadow the team(yeah, he beats up Steppenwolf, but was completely powerless to stop the boxes and actually died because of it) In short, everyone was better here and they worked as a team.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

That is it. Make every character themselves. Let them be fully fledged people, different and play to their strengths. Even the villains.

[@Steve_Plasma]

:'C

[@unorthodox_dating6387]

9:03 Dr Stone looks so proud to see his son embrace who he is just as much as the saving .

[@RE2LeonS]

Josstice League: "Save one Person." ZS Justice League: Saves 7+ billion

[@PurooRoy]

Along with the plants and animals.

[@Becuaseofme]

Anti life equation is on earth so he technically save the multiverse

[@pugalm2682]

Clicked 100s like

[@miguelmejia4656]

@@PurooRoy and fungi

[@PurooRoy]

@@miguelmejia4656 I'm pretty sure fungi would've lived even in Darkseid's rule.

[@ethanw7948]

Gotta hand it to Steppenwolf for giving Cyborg a chance to see his father in his last moments before slicing at him. HIghly respectable villain.

[@mattgee4867]

I'm not sure why his father had to be and die in that glass room though. He was doing everything via remote control..

[@ethanw7948]

@@mattgee4867 It was probably due to the fact fact he saw Steppenwolf behind him so he locked himself inside to better the chances and time for the motherbox to be heated up without being taken. It is true it could've done via remote control but I wouldn't want to stand outside with some massive alien with an axe, I would lock myself in the glass and take my chances. He would die either way.

[@aarimzubair1750]

@@mattgee4867 yeah but being in the box makes better sense as Cyborg isnt strong enough to single-handedly defeat Steppenwolf, and Steppenwolf would easily killed Silas if he was outside the box before pressing the button, so being in the box makes sense and Silas would die either way

[@ash-gr3gr]

@@mattgee4867 did you not watch the movie? stepenwolf was there he had no chance against stepenwolf

[@mattgee4867]

Yeah but he could press the button and run away or whatever. Since Steppenwolf was totally focused on getting the box, there was at least a little chance of getting away instead of 100% getting disintegrated inside the chamber.

[@Epiloguers]

I'm so glad you also spoke about Lois. The difference in her amount of screentime is little, but her emotional impact on the story is huge!

[@summertyme5748]

Snyder Lois is like the joke from Alan Moore's Watchmen about Laurie. "Your job is to make sure SuperMan get's laid, so he doesn't kill us all!" 😂

[@elishawilson5342]

@@summertyme5748 that's not even how it goes actually Superman only goes dark due to Darkseid controlling him with the anti life equation and he uses Lois to do so as he killed her and once her sees Superman grieving for her and their unborn child Darkseid controls him

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@summertyme5748 uhhhh no. That's not true at all. Synder's lois is NOT at all.

[@MoonPresence-fg8dn]

@@Gadget-Walkmen It's literally in the movie. Go see an eye doctor.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@MoonPresence-fg8dn my eyes are just fine, I’m talking about in the mainline timeline. Not the future stuff.

[@nocultist7050]

The thing is the Snyder Cut was not fixing Josstice League, it's Joss that was breaking the original.

[@palashkale]

Grieving mother to her dead son's grieving Girlfriend... : He said, you were the thirstiest young woman he ever met.... Joss Whedon: Perfectly captures the emotions... amazing scene, worth reshooting for...

[@jitd9716]

"Worth every $$$$$" - WB execs.

[@adityasai311]

fans: what!!... what the f...

[@jamesgreen1166]

Knowing what he was like BTS…

[@trevorthornley8835]

@@adityasai311 is that a jontron reference?

[@mundane_]

The funny thing is Warner considers Whedon's shit of a movie canon when most moments from the film was not making sense LOL

[@imaadshahrukh4829]

That's what sucks. It's like as if the Deadpool movies considered Wolverine Origins canon.

[@mrillis9259]

Just like this comment. Come back in three years with an edit.

[@happysaladd8951]

yeah and ypu always had this "how" and "what" on your though

[@M0V0P]

Because its not "Whedons" Cut, its WARNERS Cut! I dont understand why we ignore now that Warner wanted that movie the way Whedon made it. What would you do? Imagine you work as a car tuner. A customer say "paint it red and brush a giant penis on it". Would you do it? YES! Because thats what you get payed for. WARNER wanted this movie that exact way. They told Whedon "tune the dark stuff down and do your funny stuff you did at marvel!". And he did exactly that.

[@generalyellor8188]

Sort of like you sentence: ... when most moments from the film WAS not making sense." LOL to your terrible English writing skills.

[@toganium4175]

I love how Filmento sees CGI Henry Cavill as a demonic entity.

[@datswhatshesaid498]

Well, he is

[@GustavoGplay]

Isn't he?

[@jackysbin3860]

tbh I don’t really see the problem... I can’t really tell the difference

[@asant90]

Its hard to look at tbh

[@randomcharacter6501]

@@jackysbin3860 I envy you. It was a big reason I passed on the og release

[@buka.a]

I noticed Steppenwolf's voice is different in both movies. I remember Ciran Hinds stating that whatever was in Justice League was not what he recorded and he hoped we would some day get the real movie. This means Whedon got another actor to record Steppenwolf's voice

[@mrdude88]

Flash wasn’t just warning Bruce Wayne when he said “No, it’s too soon!” He was telling us it was too soon for a Justice League movie.

[@diegoclark7697]

Why?

[@maryray4960]

@@diegoclark7697 because zack needed time to get back on his feet to make the movie rather than throw in a MARVEL director to make a DC movie and think “WhAt CoUlD pOsSiBlY gO wRoNg?”

[@diegoclark7697]

@@maryray4960 you're right.

[@elias_xp95]

I would argue, even though I liked the Snyder cut, that it was still too soon. They should have done each character first and then a Justice League, like Marvel did, but in the DC way ya know.

[@diegoclark7697]

@@elias_xp95 the marvel way isn't tbe only way. Tbe reason they even did it that way was to make sure every character was fleshed out. That's it. The Snyder cut does that. The movie wasn't just to team a bunch of people up. It was to expand the universe and make it feel connected. After connecting everything, it was supposed to expand on it in future sequels. Like a Cyborg movie, an Aquaman movie or a new gods movie.

[@DannyMorrs]

I've heard so many people say that Snyder fixed Jared Letos Joker, which i still don't like, but I think he really fixed Steppenwolf and Cyborg the most. He took a terrible villain and made him sympathetic and intimidating. Cyborg had a full arc and made himself more than a pointless CGI monstrosity

[@deathminder9206]

Dont think there is any fixing Leto's Joker.

[@jakubs.5966]

Yep. And solution is so simple, just give audience emotional/interesting backstory, so you can get invested in a movie, same as most Marvel productions, without cutting it out. (Waving hands in funny way) Magic.

[@thegoodthebadtheoffended6548]

I liked Steppenwolf's new amour and voice change but not his new face. He looks like he has d0wn syndr0me now, especially in the scenes when he's talking to DeSaad.

[@bloodystool8810]

Yeah, i don't really like the character portrayal of lex luthor too.

[@MrImastinker]

@@bloodystool8810 At least in this film he *feels* like Lex Luthor. Bald, sharp-dressed, scheming, and awfully condescending. I kind of wish he'd been like this from the start.

[@VietCuongNguyen78]

"You have to understand there is a difference between socializing Bruce Wayne and on a mission Batman" That's damn right

[@theendzone7652]

Man, I finally watched this due to HBO MAX being available until mid-June in Mexico, and holy shit this movie is great, my dad and I did not seem to enjoy Suicide Squad, BvS, and Josstice League, but we knew what DC was capable of with films like Wonder Woman, Shazam, Aquaman and Joker, so when we watched this, we saw it was 4hrs long, but we knew there was something going on for it to be that long and holy shit, we loved this movie, we loved Superman with his black suit, Flash's speedforce was beautiful, Cyborg's story was great but I will repeat it again, the Superman arc was beautiful and amazing.

[@punchline1279]

I like to believe that Barry ran so fast that he went back and changed the timeline to make the Snyder cut possible

[@blitz4779]

Alot of people believe that. Me included

[@DoctorDeath147]

I like to believe the Whedon cut was the result of Eobard Thawne / Reverse Flash messing the timeline Barry went back to fix it

[@GJBattles]

@@DoctorDeath147 "It was me, Barry! *I WAS JOSS WHEDON!*

[@ro4eva]

"Dad, whatever happens, I just want you to know... there's some creature around these parts that won't stop taking about its mother."

[@fake6430]

Can we take a second to appreciate steppenwolfes design, he goes from big grey guy in armor to big distinctly alien monster in cool original reactive armor. Ya he's still dcgi but he has soooooo much more character in his design, the scene where he's bowing before Darkseid especially sold it for me. Removing his armor like a dog showing its belly and showing its actually his head and not just some goofy horns was great

[@RapperRank]

not even the real Darkseid either.

[@nerovanguard846]

True. He's reactive armor is so awesome! It's like it's a second layer of skin that reacts based on his own reaction

[@lukeseguin1875]

Sorry dude it's unreal ugly. Can't fix a poop sandwich and that's what this version of stpenwolf is. Ugly ugly cgi. Ugly cgi armor, bad cgi lip synch to the point they constantly cut away from his face when he talks.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@RapperRank WTF are you taking about? Darkseid looks amazing in this film!

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@lukeseguin1875 LMAO not even close to being "ugly" in the slightest. Now your just mindlessly hating on it. It's a great design.

[@TatoISR]

“For Autumn” You did it, Zack. You did it.

[@VideoInformation]

Amen

[@SuperSlapek]

@@VideoInformation Indeed. Now let's hope AT and T gets their shit together and starts to cut some fat from WB (I can't believe I am saying that but WB is the biggest problem for DCEU). Now they get Snyder Cut which is praised and succesfull and next thing they do is "we don't have any plans for SnyderVerse"? Please don't cry you are loosing money if you don't listen. Zack can create great things leave him alone and he will deliver...

[@TheMindofagenius1]

I didn't really get what that meant.... is it saying we can expect a sequel in Autumn?

[@eduardomartinez-gq4ls]

@@TheMindofagenius1 No, autumn was Zacks daughter who passed away because of suicide, and was the main reason he left production.

[@TheMindofagenius1]

@@eduardomartinez-gq4ls aaagh I *knew* it would be that, but didn't want to say it in case it wasn't and would consequently sound disrespectful or offensive....... dang, my bad, should've done some research first. Thanks for explaining.

[@narukamishirou284]

Note of what Snyder Cut/Original Cut already did right: 1. Continuity details from the previous movies used right instead of made fun of 2. Less joke but some of the serious scenes still have comedic elements that don't wear down the seriousness 3. Every character is useful and each played a big role 4. New characters (Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash) are properly briefly introduced and actually become this movie's emotional device as they should be (especially Cyborg since he's basically the closest to the Mother Boxes, the plot device of the movie) 5. Steppenwolf is well established as a villain 6. Mother Boxes finally explained 7. Teases towards Darkseid's entrance into the franchise are there 8. Ben Affleck's 20-years-of Batman is a no jokester 9. No more vibrant eye-killer lighting (seriously though, Josstice League's color tones really hurt my eyes in the theater) 10. Hans Zimmer's Man of Steel score's played and rescored

[@christopherrichardson2945]

Justice League is even funnier than Josstice League - as its mostly natural, not forced, humor

[@abdulmalikbangaev5546]

Especially Flash 🤣

[@Nemenis]

No josstice is a clown festival

[@proudbeanerii3810]

You guys clowned the one scene where Flash asked Bruce what's his super power . Did you guys changed yall minds once you noticed it was Zack original scenes and not Joss ?

[@proudbeanerii3810]

@The Living Tribunal Yeah they were shitting on Joss because they thought the jokes were dumb as fuck. Yet once they noticed it was Zack , they out of nowhere loving the jokes and praising him as he was a Comedic genius the whole time . What a bunch of hypocrites ...

[@mlgamings6110]

@@proudbeanerii3810 you can't say that for all the jokes, only a couple. I haven't seen many people criticizing the "I'm rich" joke. I didn't really care, it was funny in the Josstice League too. But how many people criticized the "brunch," "pet cemetery," and falling onto Wonder Woman's breasts. And those were all cut. You are making it sound like ALL the jokes were in the Snyder cut when there were only a couple. Also, another reason why Snyder's jokes work better is because of the delivery of the line. Like, if you compare Gal's delivery of "Kal-el, no!" From Joss's to Snyder's, you can hear the difference. Same with Aquaman's "Alright" and "My man!" moment. The delivery was different and made it feel more natural, not forced.

[@thunderstick3193]

Another thing the resurrecting superman scene does is foreshadow Flash turning back time to separate the mother boxes, as he slightly turns back time to touch the motherbox.

[@imjustczarina]

That was an awesome detail!

[@grandmacat406]

yea I was like tf that's op

[@lefloch9983]

Seeing Flash turn back time was absolutely mind blowing. Really makes you wonder what the hell made them cut a scene like that

[@jordanredd2519]

King floch 🙇🏿‍♂️. May the rumbling save eldia

[@aleph4425]

Floch

[@spartankelly392]

@@jordanredd2519 It will

[@VongolaChouko]

Director reshoot ego I guess :3

[@agentice77]

Then he wont be a haha funny man

[@kdavethomas]

you're missing the part where the Snyder cut never held back in terms of brutality,you understood that Steppenwolf was merciless the second he showed up,and that he was working fr darkseid who was an even bigger threat...they made a second rate villain seem like a threat to the entire Justice League by emphasizing the way he tore through the amazons

[@manjiste1239]

I believe I'm not the only one who looked at steppenwolf's puppy eyes and felt bad for him 😂

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

Same

[@CrazyManwich]

I am convinced that was purposeful he was more antagonists than straight up villain, the dude just wanted to go home and had a shitty feat he had to complete.

[@deronetron8072]

@@CrazyManwich whedons cut made him a fucking cry babay lookin for mama and was just fucking annoying n stupid

[@Jose-se9pu]

The triple fatality was a bit excesive.

[@RapperRank]

@@CrazyManwich Then you see him splatting heads and you're like ok you gotta go 😂

[@azuneyukirito8972]

4:38 if you look victor's father's actions carefully, he didnt actually intended to sacrificed himself in the first place. He placed the MB and was about to go outside the room. But if he went outside, Steppenwolf would've taken the MB before he could superheat it. So he chose the sacrifice despite not wanting to die. Amazing details.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

loved cyborg in this!

[@psteeg3551]

reminds of how T2's Miles Dyson (from the same actor) sacrificed himself

[@dr.debsutradhar1756]

can you please explain to me why silas stone needed to die? he could've exited that chamber and then turned on the machine, and the motherbox would still get heated. And Steppenwolf could have taken the motherbox irrespective of whether silas stone was inside or outside that glass chamber..... it felt forced and non-sensical to stay behind in the chamber and then close that glass door.....(the ONLY non-sensical part in the movie, according to me..... don't hate on me, I'm a fan too). So, please tell me if I'm missing something.....

[@azuneyukirito8972]

@@dr.debsutradhar1756 yea, i thought about that too. He seriously intended to go outside. Imo, he was stunned by Steppenwolf's sudden appearance. That's a normal human reaction(either flee in terror or stunned before going outside). Plus, he wasnt even sure about Victor would come, so he immediately tried to superheat the box but still scared. Then he saw his son and was sure about his sacrifice. If Victor wasnt there, his superheating idea would've failed and still died. Who knows even a tiny bit of interference. His sacrifice was not a noble or anything but a pure, strong one. At least that's what i thought. I nocticed there're some better choices but hey, it's a movie.

[@flakron2489]

@@dr.debsutradhar1756 imo he didn't know victor would come, and when step-wolf came, he wanted to buy as much time as possible to overheat it. If he went out, he'd get closer to stepfather, and stepbrother could've potentially stopped him from overheating it

[@NRVllmr]

It is said that Flash's scenes (Debris scene and Time Travel) were cut out because Warner Bros thought viewers will be confused about his powers.

[@tcrpgfan]

No... no they wouldn't.

[@ShivamPatel-yq7rr]

The dude power is superspeed and it shows superspeed

[@owyemen9367]

I hate when studios think viewers are dumb and won't understand anything, remember bladerunner?

[@Dan_Kanerva]

is almost like they don't know shiet about superheros and their priority is just to cash in some bucks out of normie audiences

[@MegaRayland]

That’s not trusting the audience. There’s the whole resuscitation scene before that which shows, and explains in an early way (before the Flashpoint movie proper that was planned for after JL), that Flash’s powers can affect time. Barry even explains it (before he shows it the first time). The explosion scene builds from that. That shows the studio didn’t trust the audience.

[@Blank_really]

The resurrection scene also solidifies Flash's power of moving back in time.

[@macotello6809]

dude, i absolutly love steppenwolf's armor is , like it goes from boring fantasy plate armor to this alien looking "living" armor that you see twitching and moving on its own

[@NormalChannel95]

I just love how Josstice League is an actual name now.

[@BudBudgie]

Filmento:

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@BudBudgie What? the hell does that mean?

[@NormalChannel95]

how the hell did he get monke

[@johnnym8848]

@@NormalChannel95 he is from planet of apes 🦧 🤪

[@amberslahlize7961]

@@Gadget-Walkmen I want to know who this turkey thinks he is too!

[@carlkpsplucky5554]

College student: i owe $50,000 in student loans, ughh 😒 Stephen-wolf: I owe 50,000 worlds 🥺

[@3Rayfire]

Fuck, that's heavy man.

[@owyemen9367]

@@3Rayfire it's a world of course its heavy

[@elishawilson5342]

That's rough buddy

[@wheeler6768]

This film was better on every level; the directing, writing, acting, cinematography, character motivations, story, pacing #RestoreTheSnyderverse

[@Rucarlos]

Feels like Whedon is the kind of guy that sees hero movies as stuff for children. It's no coincidence to see 2 franchises blossom when he's no longer involved and take a serious tone

[@F3EDER]

While overly sexualizing female characters at the same time...

[@jasonjones3328]

The First Avengers film made a billion dollars when he directed it

[@ccrraazzyyggiirrll]

@@jasonjones3328 they still took a different direction without him (ultimately a better one) Also, whoever designed the Amazonian armour in Snyder Cut deserves to be hit repeatedly with a steel chair. Disturbingly bad

[@jasonjones3328]

@@ccrraazzyyggiirrll I don't know about different direction It was Snyder who did that to the Amazons

[@ccrraazzyyggiirrll]

@@jasonjones3328 first avengers was an extremely light hearted film. The Russos redirected it to be more dark and less humorous (not visually though, just in regards to the story and character arcs)

[@stanshatter3875]

1 Flexes arrows like boss 2 hunts death cubes for a solid goal Most important: Yeets horses as a hobby!

[@elijaholing]

I felt sorry for those horses. Like damn, it's just doing its job

[@mitchellphillips4691]

Me and my friends died when that happened lol

[@nirobpj1775]

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[@spawnoftyphon]

Even this choice of armor works better for Steppenwolf visually and metaphorically. He looks more menacing as if to grapple him would make you bleed. The armor being something that can be eventually ripped off can give viewers more satisfaction during a fight scene to show the damage our heroes inflict upon him. And it's a small moment, but when he finally sees Darkseid again, Steppenwolf deconstructs the armor around his head to leave himself bare out of respect. The design of the first Steppenwolf didn't allow for any of this.

[@AlejandroRuiz-gz1om]

Joss Steppenwolf: What makes you different from me? ZS Steppenwolf: I'm not wearing hockey pads

[@BlitzStudiosIsinsideyourhome]

He fits in more with the parademons and new gods instead of looking like a medieval Liam neeson

[@grvinod1973]

Zack Snyder put the secondary theme to fatherhood makes sense now. Snyder loosing his daughter makes mention as victor loosing his father and other scenes like Aquaman missing his father as he has no one except him after his mother left them ,Barry having trouble to have a good lawyer for his father cuz he trust him so much and his father says " don't waste time to find a lawyer", superman hearing his lost father's voice first when he is ready to fly after he is been resserected from his death. Actually this movie is a gift for father's out there.

[@julesvox]

The Flash saying "Dostoyevski" is one of the cringiest moments in history.

[@SLAD3]

*siege flashbacks*

[@twerk_it_like_nae_nae7979]

17:25 can top that, virgin Batman straight from an anime rom-com.

[@MultiCatwolf]

It's the brunch for me

[@left4deadR]

@@harshithsg5483 go watch marvel lame jokes then

[@ianlevinson2390]

The worst is flash falling on top of wonder woman

[@TheDeFiler316]

Superman coming in with that "Not impressed" line then blowing Steffenwolfs axe into nothing with his ice breath was freaking amazing.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

only to be followed by flash's epic moment! great stuff!

[@jack-exzolt9858]

It's actually much more bad-ass than the "Big fan of Justice" Joss Cut. Snyder's Superman just flexes right off the bat.

[@weary_traveller111]

Cavil's delivery of the line was less than impressive though

[@Theo-bk6qj]

@@weary_traveller111 man, how would you like him to deliver it? With a British accent? Say it quietly? Shout it?

[@weary_traveller111]

@@Theo-bk6qj in a way where it looks like his facial muscles are actually moving

[@DiegoMachida]

Anybody else got mind blown by how they portrayed the amazons badass warrior culture, "Daughters of Themyscira, show them your fear", I got fucking goosebumps man, there's a good example of exceptional female badassery without forcing anything.

[@amberslahlize7961]

Heck, even the slow motion female "muscles" made them look better in this version. lol

[@schizoidmeme5470]

Meanwhile, in Joss world, we got Brie "I really am an asshole" Larson

[@GlacialScion]

@mandellorian It wasn't forced in the sense that it actually fit in with what the audience knew about the characters involved. The fact that they have a bunch of female athletes and body builders instead of professional actors doesn't make it forced. Lol.

[@kylereese5841]

Here's the thing, theres a portion of people say almost any female character that brings up they're female, is "forced." When that's important.

[@kylereese5841]

@@schizoidmeme5470 Is she. She went through allot of crap when CM came out. I mean people were literally saying she shouldn't get the part cause she's not hot enough, there was allot of sexism.

[@mainelymadagain9405]

The Martha at work with Lois scene was so very cringey. “Jump like a cougar if you miss by a dime.” My wife, who is totally indifferent to these types of movies, totally disregards Josstice League. She spent an entire week watching the Snyder cut piece by piece and loved it, she actually wants to watch it again in one sitting to fully appreciate it. That is a testament to what a good film can do to even the most casual of fans.

[@geekTroperaku]

After seeing Flash saving the world being replaced by the Russian family, I'm 100% convinced that Whedon deliberately sabotaged Justice League.

[@alistairwright3464]

Yea, that theory was weird to me until then lol.

[@alistairwright3464]

@@ZombieGracie I sure hope so, if not I am genuinely concerned for Whedons heath

[@piccoloatburgerking]

@@ZombieGracie Yeah it was surprisingly nice to see Superman not entirely save the day at the end. I do have qualms about how mismatchingly stronger Superman is from the rest of the team as he kinda makes them all look useless in comparison but it was nice to see one of them break the chain and actually do something meaningful.

[@joshuakim5240]

@@piccoloatburgerking Regarding Superman and the Justice League, the main function of the Justice League has been to cover Superman's weakness (kryptonite and magic). Essentially, because Superman has a weakness that literally depowers him, the League ensures that if some mook shoots him with a Kryptonite bullet, there will still be many strong heroes waiting to face that enemy. Superman's magic weakness also is exploitable in a manner where, in certain instances, much less strong heroes with high magic resistance are much better than Superman at handling magical villains. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are actually much stronger against mages than Superman since Superman's defense doesn't work against magic and he's vulnerable to magical control.

[@piccoloatburgerking]

@@joshuakim5240 I get what you're saying but the way i see it, from a writing perspective there's no real reason for the power gap to be _that_ high. The way you describe it, the Justice League should've just been called Superman League or something lol. And really, given that insane stat gap i doubt Superman can't just blitz and instant kill whatever mage he fights if much slower and weaker Wonder Woman and Aquaman can give those mages a fight. Don't need to resist magic if you kill the mage before they can cast spells you know? Overall i feel like Snyder should've at least addressed the stat gap issue more tactfully.

[@J_A_Niss]

_Funny how flash went from being cringy "zoomer humor" to being the most important player in the whole thing_

[@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873]

Nearly every sentence of his in the snyder cut was him hyperventilating, being exaggeratedly dramatic and tone deaf. With silass death it is even less appropriate than in josstice league

[@diegobarriga6604]

Flash acted like that one kid in my class that will never take anything seriously to the poijt that everyone wants to fucking punch the fuck out of him. On the SCJL he became a kid with a troubked past trying to prove to himself he is a hero. Fascinating goddammit i loved it. Also cyborg had the best character development in any DCEU film

[@SamuelJoseph962]

@@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873 cry me a river baby girl.. 😂😂😂

[@ButterMllk]

To be real with you no one can really make a physical manifestation of gen z humor, if somebody does it'll be like a god from the chutulu mythos, incomprehensible to the human mind

[@JRMAV1]

Yep, he played a rookie hero/crime fighter perfectly, that ending too, friggin awesome.

[@chillbluez7960]

"He wanted to destroy the world because he's an entitled teenage girl" Lol I Died 😂🤣

[@Manny4uel]

🤣🤣

[@mlgamings6110]

This world... Is mY RiGHt!!

[@chillbluez7960]

@@mlgamings6110 xD

[@Cutepup4youplayz]

@@mlgamings6110 WheRe Isss!!!!!!!! My!!!!!!!!! Mother!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Finamajig]

@@Cutepup4youplayz Steppenwolf lost his mother at a Tesco when he was 5 and has been searching ever since

[@ErrmNoo]

The Speed force scene alone makes the snyder cut 100 times better.

[@SaurianStudios1207]

It’s simple: jossitice league was a studio mandated Frankenstein of a film that combines two different visions and hired a marvel director who reshoot and rewrote the whole thing to a 2 hr soulless cgi fuck fest that tries to be marvel. Snyder cut was the four hr long epic that came into existence thanks to the Snyder cut movement and the studio finally allowed Zack to complete his vision and give us the version of the film we always wanted, even if it isn’t the greatest movie in cinema.

[@jammygamer8961]

Tbh i think despite its flaws the film is one of the best Superhero films i seen (Still personally think Infinity war is better tho)

[@Neddyhk]

I think that's the best summary. I think this finally establishes that Joss Wheedon is a middling director and cinematographer, and Zack Snyder is much better. Joss Wheedon should stay in his TV series with limited action, because he *cannot* direct action.

[@sheenpailovesu7841]

@@jammygamer8961 You simply *can't* top something like Infinity War. The build up to it, so many years dedicated to these characters, Thanos was such a huge threat to the Main Characters and was like, an actual person and not some guy who is evil for the sake of being evil. There is so much to love about Infinity War, it's really superhero movies at their top. Unless you are The Incredibles which is arguibly the single best superhero movie ever made.

[@jammygamer8961]

@@sheenpailovesu7841 agreed. Also Megamind is another good animated superhero sort of movie

[@sheenpailovesu7841]

@@jammygamer8961 Megamind was also a super fun movie with a great emotional story, I really love. I just think Infinity War and The Incredibles are the better movies

[@elias_xp95]

The Snyder Cut: *Succeeds* WB Execs: "Impossible, cancel the SDCU"

[@MrVivaloslegos]

For real though 😒

[@defencebangladesh4068]

seriously 😪

[@fatassnigga41]

Maybe WB trying to fix the timeline from all the messy movies they released we dont know what night happen

[@jaredjones7632]

Agree that WB execs are idiots, but only because they let Snyder make another movie after BvS. Guy needs to go back to making his own stuff and leave the DCU alone before he kills it.

[@fatassnigga41]

@Sonic and still no sequel ?

[@ZBilbs]

Steppenwolf is both intimidating and adorable with those sad puppy eyes

[@blitz4779]

Gotta feel bad for him. Dude just wanted to go home

[@franzoloranzo7302]

I know right? The scene where he touches the mother box and discovers the anti-Life-equation is adorable

[@GJBattles]

When Darkseid stepped on his head, I was like: "Why you gotta do my man like that?", but then I remembered it's freaking Darkseid.

[@elishawilson5342]

@@GJBattles he would've done worse if the league didn't kill him

[@3Guys1Video]

Lol

[@matt_canon]

4:32 The only thing I would have added to this scene is Silas telling his son Victor he loved him before activating the laser. Not a big deal, but it feels like Silas doesn't see his son standing there. -- That said, loved the Snyder Cut. -- For Autumn.

[@jonassiendervils2102]

I hope that Suicide Squad and Black Adam can be as epic as this movie.

[@movieblocks9164]

Thank you for having that profile picture.

[@Butter_Warrior99]

Oh, fuck, nice optical allusion.

[@dkkanofkash8798]

Wow, that illusion actually works!

[@dkkanofkash8798]

@@movieblocks9164 Hello Optimus

[@albertrex6851]

I don't think so . Suicide Squad should be GOTG because it is directed by James Gunn

[@crazycat690]

The Snyder Cut is a perfect example of what the DCEU should've been, should never have tried to be the MCU and the Avengers. I really wish it had a future but considering a lot of the actors have moved on it's just gonna go down in history as huge missed potential.

[@justsomenuts]

Totally! I'm furious that they rushed the franchise to "keep up" with the MCU. I'm a huge MCU fan and wanted the DCEU to be its own, amazing thing. And it really could have been, if they hadn't wanted to rush into profits. Each of these characters should have gotten AT THE VERY LEAST their own standalone movies, they should have built them and the world they live in up to things like BvS and Justice League. Them restoring the Flash's accomplishment in the Snyder cut just showcases how botched the whole franchise was. Why does he get the most amazing moment he could ever have in the first movie he has any real screentime? It's a cool, moving moment but it doesn't hold the same emotional weight that similar scenes accomplished in films like Infinity War and End Game.

[@rileybecerril7554]

Not a perfect example there is a lot missing that’s important from the comics, in my opinion Zach doesn’t know Batman he just likes his aesthetic he knows Superman and cyborg

[@thecrazyslopoke]

@@justsomenuts yeah that's a good point about flash. Starting at the top with a scene like that, the only way to go is down.

[@PrechtGaebolgHades]

I don't think actors moved. Affleck supported the cut and marketed it on his twitter and insta, Jason already supported in his interviews, Henry posted trailers and congratulations to Zack on insta, Gal did the same, Ezra doesn't have social media and Ray fisher is still talking about it and giving interviews after the release. And now #Restorethesnyderverse is trending both on Fb, Insta, KZbin, and Twitter (the hashtag reached almost 800k in just 7 hours and might reach 2m at the end of the day on twitter). And Zack is also pushing for his vision to be restored on Vero.

[@TehZach1993]

Well WB has abandoned the films being in a shared universe and are just throwing shit at the wall at this point. Sad.

[@justtoolit6051]

Zack Snyder to Joss Whedon: Next time they shine your light in the sky, don't go to it. The Josstice League is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy.

[@maicoltenjou7572]

Can't tell if you're attacking Whedon here, considering this approach from Superman toward Batman was wrong.

[@justtoolit6051]

@@maicoltenjou7572 it’s a joke. Don’t think too hard about it.

[@maicoltenjou7572]

@@justtoolit6051 just like the movie it's from. Got it, thanks

[@PrechtGaebolgHades]

@@maicoltenjou7572 Superman threatened Batman because when he went to Gotham to investigate, he found out Batman was a crazed criminal terrorising people from the civilians. And Bruce getting supsicious vibes from Superman especially after bomb blast in capitol. But it was then revealed Lex was behind all of this. He wanted to get rid of Superman, and keeping files on metahumans so that when darkseid arrives he can easily conquer Earth and no one is standing in his way of getting antilife equation.

[@Metalfalcon]

I dont think joss every see JL as his own passive work, but just another job.

[@arcticwolfplays5519]

14:45 put me in hysterics. Re add the part where u call Steppenwolf a teenage girl and add in the part where he says mother, mother, u there where is my mother then a photo of a baby’s face appears.

[@rickblaine9670]

3:19 “Is this guy still bothering you?” “NO!!” *Leaves*

[@rishabhdowarah663]

lol

[@matthewsoucy9073]

@Jchon Haokip Leave

[@mclekfkeiwdisidido6858]

The only thing I had problems with where the overuse of wonder woman’s theme and the “OOOHOHHHHH” in the background also the girls singing after aqua man went into the sea

[@MrChampionchimp]

The singing was so cringe. If they revered him as a god, they wouldn't be using him to translate between the town's people and bruce

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@MrChampionchimp that's true and a god doesn't causally mingle with people like that.

[@Theo-bk6qj]

@@Gadget-Walkmen *cough cough* Greek Myth *cough cough*

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@Theo-bk6qj what?

[@rickyclover9393]

Uh man. He is a human like creature that swim under the sea like a fish and feeds the poor fishing village when its starving. Oh course those women sing to Aquaman like a god.

[@tajanisc]

Josstice League exists All Comic book movie fans: Not impressed

[@ThatSockmonkey]

I'm a marvel fan, and I hated Josstice League. I reckon it could have been half an hour shorter, but the Snyder Cut is amazing superhero storytelling.

[@trishaykaul9511]

@@ThatSockmonkey This

[@jokerwonderwoman9548]

I fell asleep 30 minutes into Josstice League, and didn't even know I was tired. I never tried watching it again.

[@trishaykaul9511]

@@jokerwonderwoman9548 xD

[@imaadshahrukh4829]

I used to defend Josstice League. Now I hate it. Snyder Cut is the best. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

[@aniruddh_d16]

I never noticed the funny fact that in Josstice League, Steppenwolf called them primitive beings *while holding a fricking axe.*

[@Whightknight16]

Shazam was a good balance of humor and terror, the deadly sins are actually horrifying and Billy Batson jokes are quick and funny, I love the gag where the villain monologues but they are so far apart Shazam can’t hear him (perfect deconstruction of that trope)

[@justhair17]

Yeah, Shazam is a very fun movie. But even for ZSJL, even tho the movie was mainly serious, there were jokes and relatively funny scenes that made me chuckle, while also fitting the movie perfectly.

[@MilornDiester]

Shazam! was so different than other DC movies with all of its jokes and humor. But it felt alright because it was the movie about the young boy and from the beginning it aimed into more comedy style. The problem with Josstice League is that it's very serious story, with sspecific characters and a sequel to a very dark BvS. So the jokes in Shazam! made this movie more authentic while in JL made it stupid. And in ZSJL we have a lot of jokes but they are more discrete and they feel like something what heroes could actually say in such situation.

[@endarasman]

Yeah, Barry said "with the power of love" actually made me laugh

[@sunsetman22]

what I love about Shazam! was that David F. Sandberg could've just disregarded what came before, but he actually decided to pay homage to it, and I respect him for it. that's why I'm pumped for Black Adam and Fury of the Gods

[@doge8825]

@@justhair17 I kinda wish the “somethings definitely bleeding” joke was in ZSJL. It’s actually kinda funny

[@andrewgarfield9898]

It’s a crime with how badly the 2017 version was butchered. This synder cut really shows what happens when executives stay out of the way and let the directors and writers have freedom. This movie was absolutely amazing.

[@fernandodiniz8241]

It's not like they didn't interfere with the snyder cut as well. For example, the last scene with Martian Manhunter was suposed to be 2 Green Laterns but the WB executives didn't allowed that idea

[@robbiemcneish4459]

Thank you Andrew Garfield, very cool

[@godzillakaijuboy]

TBH, they didn't interfere enough. Here me out, but its way way way too long. Also, the color palate is way to dead. You can like it, but I'm having a hard time telling what the character's outfits color are

[@fernandodiniz8241]

@@godzillakaijuboy I understand that is way to long and has excesive slow motion but you have to consider that there may not be anymore of this universe so I think Zack just threw everything he got filmed into it because they don't plan to keep going with his ideas. And the coloring yeah, it's Zack Snyder trademark there's nothing to do about it

[@nikitamyazin6586]

You are right it really does show what happens. It shows that a director can make an amazing movie that will _never_ appear in theaters. For some reason a lot of people forget that this movie must be cut in half in order to be shown in theaters. Can you image what a mess it would be if you throw away half of the scenes? No wonder Josstice league was a crap. No doubt Snyder cut would have been a crap too (although a much better one)

[@mitchellphillips4691]

When filmento gives the justice league a trilogy, but Warner Brothers won’t.

[@generalyellor8188]

Stupid comment. Is Filmento going to pony up the half-billion dollars to finance it as well? Talk is cheap.

[@venusflytrap9794]

Who let the simpleton out of the asylum?

[@mitchellphillips4691]

@@generalyellor8188 it was a simple joke my guy. He made three videos covering justice league is the context.

[@leitzu8929]

@@generalyellor8188 bruh

[@alis6581]

@@generalyellor8188 lmao go back to cocomelon

[@Mutt_Buncher4]

Its impossible not to smile when watching the snyder cut

[@supahtyp]

Snyder cut: "it's radioactive. no one could survive there" Whedon: "hold my russian family"

[@-Gadget-]

The part of the whedon release that bugged me the most 🤬

[@hello-gx6oi]

They drink vodka

[@Bisheimer]

Batman : I work for Alfred. Aquaman: Badass Alfred. Best line of the hole movie. That makes the film at least 100 times better.

[@THEPHARAOH2]

"You still owe the great 50,00 worlds" When steppenwolf almost cried i really felt bad cuz it seems his intentions were to protect the throne whilst it didn't have a ruler and he basically got punished for it...its kinda sad wolfie boy didn't get to go back to his family

[@Van10670]

Oh but he did get to go back....

[@thefreerepublicofadmiralpr2935]

@@Van10670 As a severed corpse that got its head stepped on. Man, Snyder’s really good at making us feel bad for poor Steppy.

[@dosomestuff1949]

@@Van10670 😂😂

[@who-ny5oe]

​@@Van10670Just not the way he wanted to.