The ULTIMATE Browser Tier List (Based Tier to Spyware Tier)

[@EricMurphyxyz]

If you're wondering why I care about privacy so much, watch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpK7eoulr6amhac

[@cymes82]

3:45 "(...)so , you're blocking ads from creators , maybe you're watching a KZbinr and you're blocking their ads but instead of the KZbinr getting money from the ad , now Brave is getting the money because you're viewing their ads (...)" That is such a normie take - Brave doesn't replace the ads they removed with their own, Brave ads are displayed independently as a push-notification.

[@realseal_6252]

@@cymes82such a normie take💀

[@OPODRAO]

what about cpu and add blocking, how would be the tier list?

[@csehszlovakze]

lmao failfox will doxx you and send antifa to your house if you ever say something they deem problematic... such privacy, wow.

[@Blox117]

Lol this guy is so clueless. brave has garbage ad blocking ability. firefox runs like garbo when so many tabs are open. he's clearly a one-tab-open-at-a-time AKA mobile user.

[@adamn7125]

Google's already collecting everything on my phone because of android I don't think leaving chrome unused does anything meaningful

[@sercraft3970]

Time to use MicroG😁

[@spamguy1156]

@@canotik not an option on a majority of modern devices without contacting shady companies to unlock the boot loader, and shady methods to rooting your phone

[@kittencure]

At least your browsing history won’t be collected with Firefox.

[@adamn7125]

@@spamguy1156 I can unlock it without contacting Xiaomi but since I have had this phone for 2 years I don't want to mess with it and erase all of my app data

[@gerardsotxoa]

Even if Google and CIA can get your Webbrowser data don't give it for free. Using Brave or opera means someone else is selling your data and only that already trims a bit of leverage for Google

[@MorganEdgy]

"As if sending your data to the Americans is any better than sending it to the Chinese" Wow you struck a nerve or two with that one

[@BlueEyedVibeChecker]

It's not wrong though, look at the worst people and companies for data issues. Microsoft: US Google: US Facebook: US Apple: US Windows: US Android: US iOS: US China is the US's scapegoat to draw attention away from themselves, they'll be mad, but they'll also be wrong.

[@stupidburp]

It is better. Those who say it isn’t don’t know how deeply awful the CCP is. I am not saying others are perfect or even good all the time but the depth of evil in the CCP is a black hole. That is even setting aside all the ideological issues and purely focusing on actions.

[@lordlopikong6940]

​@@stupidburpNah man it's the same thing

[@MorganEdgy]

@@stupidburp I would agree with you but no, it's the same. The difference is that the Chinese don't try to hide it much.

[@AshesWake-sf7uw]

@@MorganEdgy it's not the same, atleast for neighbours of China. There's a reason why chinese neighbouring countries have shit ton of chinese software products...

[@JennyTheNerdBat]

I find it baffling that Vivaldi gets shafted merely for not being fully open source, while Brave passes with flying colors depite promoting its weird crypto wallet and being caught red-handed on hardcoding referal links.

[@SilverInThePitchBlack]

Open-source is so overrated

[@Sensorywolf]

@@SilverInThePitchBlack it definitely isn't, Free software is always better than proprietary s##t

[@IHateGoogleHandles]

Make some sense but not all, it's possible to read and understand the code Vivaldi ? I guess in terms of transparency it is really worse... Open source is better because of this and usually has more people helping at least that's why i think it's better in terms of spyware which is his anchor in terms of ranking so more transparency is better.

[@SilverInThePitchBlack]

@@Sensorywolf It is, of course, but for the normal consumer? What do they care? What are they doing that they really wanna stay private?

[@skyisthela]

@@SilverInThePitchBlack you do realize open source means you can check for issues and potentially make the program better right?

[@cacheworks]

Brave got caught adding their own referrals to crypto sites within their browser. I think that shows how much they really care about transparency.

[@karatra4044]

And now there's AI bs build in the brave browser, time for me to move on. Maybe i'll try librewolf

[@SpazerLaser]

...because thats kind of a whole part of their browser?

[@Leongiiii]

@@SpazerLaser what do you mean, i dont understand

[@CryingMoon61]

How does impact your privacy? Stfu

[@BlueEyedVibeChecker]

"But it's better than [X browser] because closed source bad" I'd rather my data go to some rando like Keith from Bristol than Microsoft or someone everybody knows - the guy who made this video, probably.

[@mikeyangyang8816]

I think Brave has a great sustainable business that is open source and privacy-respecting. In order for an actively maintained software to keep working they need some type of monetary compensation that is not just donations. Brave runs non-fingerprinting ads, though they can't earn as much as fingerprinting ads, it doesn't track any users. I would recommend to turn the ads on just to show them support, and since the ads' algorithm literally cannot track you, you would not compromise your security.

[@randombleachfan]

I didn't know this, thanks.

[@tortoisejohnny7227]

You can always be tracked 😜

[@zehoudini]

​@@tortoisejohnny7227No. Never.

[@CosPlaywright]

Don't they also compensate you in crypto for you attention, too? So it's a win-win! ...Although I don't use crypto.

[@Belaziraf]

@@CosPlaywright Yeah something like 0.1 BAT valued at around 0.19$ per BAT, per week, if you use your browser 2- 3 hours a day at least. You also get browser freeze without reason quite often. Brave rewards are just BS. If you use Brave, don't base your choice on rewards. Accuracy of searches are extremely impacted too if you don't allow precise localisation. Weight the pros and cons depending on your own use and needs. There are a lot of bad browsers out there but not real "good" ones.

[@MichaelAmen316]

"Waterfox is a browser which is focused on privacy and boasting “No Telemetry”. It has been sold to Marketing / Tracking company System1 who also own Startpage."

[@lussor1]

Not now

[@akagordon]

Vivaldi was launched after the developers of Opera realized that the company they sold out to wiggled out of previous agreements.

[@Zwaremedia]

I don't block ads to steal from creators I block ads that way Google doesn't get any more money

[@Wejustvibin21]

Im tired of google, only their mail is good

[@Zwaremedia]

@@Wejustvibin21 I have stoped using their mail service too I'm using proton

[@Stanley-rq6vv]

The thing I value the most about Vivaldi is not necessarily the features (although there's loads of stuff that other browsers don't have), but the customization. It feels overwhelming at first, and honestly compared to Firefox or Chrome the first experience is meh af, but you can really change almost everything to your liking. Now you can sync settings too and there's a phone version of it (which is one of few mobile browsers that blocks ads too).

[@XeiDaMoKaFE]

not to mention you can customize the uis css yourself , and the phone version has tabs which is just a must , i can never change away from vivaldi fr

[@astral5698]

You can CSS design Firefox as you like too

[@XeiDaMoKaFE]

@@astral5698 how can you inspect its ui ?

[@iris4547]

i switched from real opera (on presto) to vivaldi. im not gonna go wank in a corner over whether something is open source or not, so couldnt care less about that. its just one of the best, most customisable browsers out there.

[@Guarrow]

I always come back to Vivaldi. Stacking tabs is just too useful, I'm a maniac for customization and there's just nothing like it. When I used Waterfox for a while, stacking tabs was THE missing feature Honestly I also wish they would copy some Opera GX stuff. I love the ambient music, typing sounds and stuff. It's useless, but it's just fun.

[@Case_]

Even though Vivaldi's UI is indeed not open source (which I frankly couldn't care less about), I think it should be pointed out that people behind Vivaldi, starting with the CEO himself, have a long and proven track record of caring about and fighting for internet privacy, and Vivaldi's default settings generally reflect that. Also, something I think is really cool about Vivaldi the company behind the browser, is the fact that it is technically owned by the employees - even though the CEO owns the majority share, every employee also has a share.

[@WeldersFSC]

It's also made by the original Opera team before it was sold out to the Chinese, making Opera spyware and Vivaldi the safer version of Opera. Was one of the main reasons I switched from Opera to Vivaldi after years and years. Vivaldi just uses features they invented when working on Opera before the sell-out.

[@kdt110]

Also aren't there many other ways your browser can collect data from you even if the browser is fully open-sourced?

[@dragonproductions236]

The fact that he put firefox, a browser by mozilla, a company known for their support of internet censorship above Vivaldi

[@ProjectExMachina]

​@@WeldersFSCRemember the time when the original Opera had a web server built in so you could host your own cloud services

[@TehButterflyEffect]

Oh I noticed the UI was a lot like Opera. It looks like it may actually have a real bookmark bar though, so I'm going to download it and try it. Palemoon is the only browser on his list that has a real bookmark bar.@@WeldersFSC

[@nerdrooted]

Ranks Vivaldi as "Mediocre" tier because the UI is closed source, despite the fact that Vivaldi as a company have proven their mettle in respecting and guarding user privacy, even hosting their own open source Mastodon instance... Ranks Waterfox as "Excellent" tier, despite the fact that it's literally owned by an advertising company, and providing no evidence of research that they've not been harvesting data. Seems to me just trusting the advertising company that they've not been doing exactly that is a great idea. Seems legit 🤔

[@robqwert2696]

Just another cringy youtuber. Nuff said

[@omega97hyper24]

And also rating opera gx at the same tier as Microshit edge. MICROSOFT EDGE.

[@nerdrooted]

@@omega97hyper24 Yeah, it should be rated worse. Like WAY worse.

[@omega97hyper24]

@@nerdrooted which should be rated worse?

[@nerdrooted]

@@omega97hyper24 Opera is owned and run by Kunlun Tech Co Ltd, a Chinese "games company". As bad as Microsoft undoubtedly is...

[@fibra9275]

One thing you didnt mention is lightness. Chrome will use an absurd amount of ram increasing exponentially with each tab. For people who play a lot and don't like closing their browser every single time, or have 100 yt videos stacked to watch later, vivaldi is probably the best one. It doesnt increase ram for each tab nearly as much because the idle ones are either frozen or kept in another workplace, and in case you need to close it for the extra space it's very easy to save all tabs.

[@thebuzzybeeking]

im pretty sure last night i turned on a setting that makes tabs basically freeze completely and not use any memory if they're "idle tabs"

[@thebuzzybeeking]

on google chrome

[@xxboxofmuffinsxx4252]

Or just use Opera GX. You can close it/exit the application or even restart your PC and every time, your browser will have the same tabs open. The only way to delete the tabs you have open is manually.

[@uninteressant2196]

Normal Opera has this as well - i have 100s of tabs open/saved all the time

[@ttrtts]

@@xxboxofmuffinsxx4252There are FAR better browsers than Spywarepera GX.

[@luiscorralmorales7351]

I’ve been using LibreWolf as my daily driver for more than a year ago and it’s great for me, that sweet spot between privacy and not compromising your experience with crashed web sites all over the place.

[@bonfromagetech5207]

Same. I have both LibreWolf and Firefox, but I use LibreWolf most of the time...I only use Firefox for the sites LibreWolf doesn't really play nice with.

[@trajectoryunown]

LibreWolf hasn't paired up well with KeePassXC for me, so I still use Firefox. :/ I really did like how few settings I had to mess with using LibreWolf though.

[@thejourneyoffaith8116]

@@w花b are u being ironic?

[@thwartificer]

​@@thejourneyoffaith8116no, they're being alluminic

[@trippinhard250]

@@w花b yeah let me watch videos on my terminal

[@SirSean]

Vivaldi should be much higher imo, customisation is overkill which is nice. Syncing is great too

[@OxxidCZ]

chromium based garbage

[@ionelmacesaru]

but brave is also that @@OxxidCZ

[@samumixofficial]

@@OxxidCZGuess who asked

[@Stephanie-mv9iy]

@@samumixofficial Me. I did.

[@denisapain]

Ok Mr chrome, oouuushb you're commenting "chromium based Garbage" hmmm maybe don't fuck around on your CHROMIUM KZbin app and eith your shitty CHROME and your GOOGLE HOUSE mmabmsjdndn (I typed this on mobile and autocorrect is failing me)

[@KyzerSusie]

I've been using browsers since the beginning of the WWW. I've tried numerous browsers over a span of many years including Opera, Chrome, Vivaldi, Brave, LibreWolf, Firefox, etc. I have to have a browser that combines a high degree of privacy with the ability to configure the browser the way I want it, not the way the company 'thinks' I want it. I gave both Vivaldi and Brave a whirl, but became frustrated when I couldn't configure them to my satisfaction. I currently have Firefox, LibreWolf, and Tor installed on my desktop, but use Firefox the vast majority of the time, and so far no other browser has convinced me to abandon it.

[@50shadesofskittles9]

Vivaldi has been my fav so far though I haven’t tried them all. It’s significantly better than anything else I’ve tried. Any feature you want you can simply press F2 and type from switch to a name tab, workspace, keyboard shortcut, etc Also, I need very few plugins to make it as good as it needs to be for my tastes.

[@50shadesofskittles9]

Btw. If I was the creator of Vivaldi I wouldn’t wanna give away all my secrets either. And no, I’m not bitter and won’t be disliking your video, lol.

[@3rett115]

Tab stacking and workspaces are essential, once you use them once. Other browsers need an add-on for these features and are nowhere near as good as Vivaldi's baked in features. Honestly though, if FF implemented tab stacking like Vivaldi, I'd probably switch back to it.

[@Homiloko2]

Hardened Firefox is the way to go. Took me about a week tweaking the settings to improve some quality of life stuff, but after I was done I never looked back. I really wanted to try Vivaldi, it looks amazing, but I also tend to avoid closed source when an open source option is available.

[@ValleyMansonOfficial]

Close source is more likely to be spyware tier💀

[@sunfline]

Get fucked, open source fanatics

[@sammiller6631]

@@ValleyMansonOfficial Cryptocurrency browsers like Brave are worse

[@Sr.Anonimo-bk1uz]

Erect firefox has the worst logo

[@shadowguyonline]

​@@Sr.Anonimo-bk1uzno

[@electronpie]

Honestly, Waterfox is much more than just preconfigured Firefox, it also has some _really_ neat features like being able to open private tabs in the same window as your other regular tabs if you want to, or having support for (some) Chromium extensions, which is insane for how fast that browser actually works! Features like these really do make the bargain for me, personally.

[@Miguellyy]

waterfox's logo is way better ngl

[@DanteToska]

@@Miguellyy Dude the original FireFox logo is iconic... I was hoping WaterFox's would just be the same thing but with a blue fox

[@Nunuchu42]

​@@DanteToskathe waterfox logo was like that at some point (pre 2016/2017ish i think?)

[@qdaniele97]

​@@Nunuchu42also IceCat/IceWeasel

[@JeffersonEllingerPrime]

In addition, they went completely independent again as of July.

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

Something being "open source" does not automatically mean it's good or vice versa. But sure, as you are ranking "spyware", I guess not being able to literally see everything does detract points.

[@parisarnett87]

Open source makes it honest at least

[@Caydos]

Brave being open source is what caught my attention. Been 8 months of use and loving it! Hopefully it stays the same so I don’t have to get used to another interface.

[@cringesh1t427]

How has it been so far for you?

[@AMN_2080]

Brave's sync is best between another browsers. I love this browser for features. It's interesting to know that the creator of this browser is the same person who created JavaScript :)

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

Vivaldi also has lightweight version without all features that nobody would think about using in a browser.... and if you want, you can activate them without having to reinstall

[@km-js7ws]

Digital privacy is a big bag of copium No matter how many hoops you jump through to keep yourself hidden, you'll only stand out like a sore thumb. If you want real privacy, then get off the grid entirely

[@andrewsmith8715]

Honestly this

[@retroman7581]

God I hate that most people just ignore that every chromium based browser just isnt cutting it, as google has the ultimate control over the future development of the underlying engine meaning that if they want to cripple their competition they easily can

[@BridgetGX]

I've used Brave for years, but I may consider switching to Vivaldi if the security and adblocking features are as effective.

[@BridgetGX]

@unholydonuts I've never had a problem with Brave in this regard.

[@lilsoonerfaninmo]

Ad blocker and traffic blocking is on point It is the reason I personally use it

[@enricod.7198]

​@unholydonutsI've used brave for 5 years now and I haven't seen a single ad since. If there are redirect ads etc it doesn't open popup windowsetc. If you install ublock on top it's perfect adblocking imo.

[@Decodeish1]

Literally just get ublock origins and use firefox

[@PerfectDarkcontrol]

Vivaldi is the spiritual successor to Opera 12, the best browser that ever existed. Heck, I used that version of opera even years, after the last release (it still got a few security updates). It was the absolute best browser one could ever ask for and Vivaldi gets quite close to that. Obviously Vivaldi is already a better browser, but that is because of modern times. Nevertheless, at this moment there is no better browser available and I can only recommend anybody to at least test it for a few month.

[@Komatik_]

The one issue I have with Vivaldi is that I like traditional Chromium's tab groups over Vivaldi's tab stacks, and have had issues where the browser's internal tab order and what it shows to the user go out of sync which breaks Ctrl+Tab predictability. I haven't used it in a while to know if that bug's been fixed, but the tab stacks are a killer in a bad way for me. Still my #2 rec after Brave.

[@moioyoyo848]

CLOSED SOURCE

[@notyoutube8128]

​@@moioyoyo848?

[@moioyoyo848]

@@notyoutube8128 stupid

[@falaghax4678]

​@@Komatik_you can deactivate tab stacks in the settings. I think you can even deactivate stacking completely. You can also maybe use the mouse gestures to have tab switching more reliably

[@aebisdecunter]

4 things that only vivaldi can do, that now I cannot live without: 1. Fully customizable shortcuts, mouse gestures and additional functions on keyboard. Everything can be reassigned 2. Accordion tab stacking. Try it now, it'll make every workspace so tidy and organised 3. Quick search enging switching. I just type the first letter of a search engine, and it'll search with it. Example: "w sausage" will search for sausages on wikipedia, and "b dolphins" will search for dolphins on Bing, speaking of Bing... 4. Vivaldi spoofs Bing Chat, making it work on the only browser other than Edge. And being honest, It's the only browser you should use Bing Chat on.

[@waspie3132]

opera gx (and probably opera) can actually do all 4 of these if you look in the settings, but of course privacy wise i would rather have another browser like vivaldi even if opera has a vpn

[@chillchinna4164]

@@waspie3132last I checked Brave isn’t spyware, so it has that going for it.

[@hb-robo]

4 sold me. I was wondering how to get that functionality outside of Edge.

[@SauceyRedHN]

Nice to see someone else's insight into these browsers. I'm personally gonna stick to vanilla Firefox (with some settings I changed), but maybe in the future I'll consider applying a user.js file.

[@LordBeef]

Yeah. For me, sticking to 3rd party companies is a bigger concern than privacy, though privacy is still a major concern. Vivaldi seems like it has too much going on, and I’m honestly not too upset by generalized/anonymized telemetry going to Mozilla.

[@greenhat7618]

@@LordBeefWhat do you even mean by 3rd party companies

[@Terasurn]

​​@@greenhat7618 I assume he meant the small names unlike Google, Apple and Microsoft and that he doesn't trust them.

[@BrianHartman]

Vivaldi's UI isn't open source, but the rest of the brower is. They consider the UI their secret sauce, and looking at all the things they pack into the browser, I can understand why. It's undeniable that Vivaldi throws the kitchen sink at users, but most of it you can turn off and/or ignore. The installation process even asks you if you want the mail, calendar, and RSS enabled. The thing I like most about Vivaldi is the tab management. No other browser gives you the flexibility with tab management that Vivaldi does, between the stacked tabs and the workspaces. The Quick Commands are pretty good, too. I can respect that it's more browser than a lot of people want, though. It depends on what you use your browser for.

[@Adiounys]

Can I have tab headers in a list on the side in this browser?

[@iRelevant.47.system.boycott]

Also satisfied with Vivaldi. To me the UI being closed source is a plus from a security perspective. Makes it more time consuming to make a fake clone of it.

[@henryfleischer404]

I used Firefox starting in around 2009, then switched to Chrome for a while. In 2020 when I got a new computer, I switched back to Firefox, and it didn't occur to me that there could be something better.

[@jay_sensz]

"Delete cookies and site data when Firefox is closed" is the way to go in my opinion. If I actually need a certain website to store cookies persistently on my PC, I can just add it to the exceptions. That being said, the process of managing the exceptions is way more cumbersome than it needs to be. I would like a simple button in the menu bar to toggle whether or not to keep this domain's site data across sessions (with the option to only trust a subdomain).

[@jay_sensz]

@@g4utham You can either just click "Accept" in the knowledge that they will be erased at the end of the session anyway. Or use an extension like Ghostery's Never-Consent to deny non-essential cookies by default.

[@freeculture]

If it is exceptions nothing does it better than uMatrix, from the author of uBlock Origin. Never seen a better way to do it.

[@mysterion7586]

You might also wanna try Firefox temporary containers - this way you can keep all your cookies but they wont be able to track you because every page is opened in a seperate isolated container

[@amoltov496]

I am not power user, though I prefer Vivaldi, and I still don't use such features as calendar, notes, feed, etc. It's all about customness of the browser itself for me, I made it convenient. And the killer feature for me is interfaceless mode (don't confuse with fullscreen) which allows convenient work with several windows at once.

[@ardeladimwit]

quite obviously he doesn't use a browser to work or doesn't understand that a good browser should be reliable, flexible and offer easy ways to manage complicated tasks. He just wants to yammer on tht he doesn't use expedia, but can't hit the "minus" tab to delete the quick link. He'd go insane if he saw how complex and rich Vivaldi can be for a researcher.

[@Barncore]

The most important factor to me in a browser outside of privacy is how well it can handle my hundreds of tabs. I'm using Brave at the moment but i'm struggling to stay organised with all my tabs

[@kerkertrandov459]

Use tabler, tho i hate u cant rearrange tabs in 1 group, still nice tho

[@kerkertrandov459]

I have over 9k tabs and i use tabler and session buddy

[@Dahrenhorst]

I'm a Vivaldi user, there is no other browser which can reach in regards of versatility and functionality, plus it has no record of any spy-activities or security breaches, and is developed and managed by very experienced veterans of browser development. I particularly like its ad block functions (I still don't have any problems with YT's anti adblock scheme), the tab stacking, and the integrated mail client. When it finally gets a platform crossing calendar, it has everything I wish for. To put it into the second worst tier just because parts of its code is not open source doesn't convince me to change.

[@ThunderingRoar]

You do realize it takes 15 seconds to install Ublock origin right? Having a built in mediocre adblocker is not a selling feature. And btw the youtube anti adblock thing was getting rolled out slowly, same as when they started removing dislikes, it wasnt an overnight change

[@goldenmeadows5046]

@@ThunderingRoar I use Vivaldi and the only time I saw any KZbin ads or the "adblockers aren't allowed" message after the adblock ban was put in place was *after* I had installed a third-party adblock. The Vivaldi adblocker has worked perfectly for me so far, been using it for most of this year. I've read a lot of user messages complaining about having to refresh/clear the cache of Ublock to get it to work for KZbin (and having to do this once every few days), but with Vivaldi I've not had to do that. I think the built in adblock is better than many that I've seen, but maybe that's just me

[@siegfread9683]

I dont think its meant to convince you to change. Its his tier list and he doesnt trust closed source code. I dont either, do i think viv is havesting 3x as much data as google? No not at all. But im wary of anything i cant look over myself and know exactly what and why its doing something. Id probably rank it about the same for that reason fantastic features or no.

[@ardeladimwit]

it's definitely reliable, extremely flexible and relatively easy to customize... and seriously doubt if there is a better browser for daily research and work between desktop and internet or even between websites on the internet. Only the original firefox was so flexible but it always crashed and too often broke.

[@lazer8776]

Completely agree

[@Goras147]

As a Vivaldi user, I weep, but I understand your reasons. I just really like its features, having an all-in-one package.

[@insanecuckooman8342]

i love vivaldi, but on mac it has problems. still use it though.

[@Grogueman]

Is it faster than chrome? I run with 2 profiles and I'm thinking of switching to it.

[@p99chan99]

​@@Grogueman I don't expect it would be necesarilly faster than chrome with all the features Vivaldi offers. Maybe look into something like Brave or ungoogled-chromium?

[@Blenderverse420]

yes. Use vivaldi my friend, I tried literally every browser; chrome, opera, firefox, edge but I gotta say, Vivaldi is the best browser I have ever seen in my whole life! @@Grogueman

[@satyampandey2222]

@@GroguemanIts way faster than chrome and also way better

[@alphaclusters4537]

Yeah Vivaldi even though it is tailored for power user and it is really flexible, I kinda wish the developers were faster in implementing stuffs and fixing bugs, like this version 6.1 is still suffering some crashes from some service worker (shazam e.g.) extensions and new, no login profile after a while.

[@NothingXemnas]

I still wish they didn't rely on Chrome. Maybe pulling extensions from the web is fine... but A LOT of extensions I searched in the Chrome Store (AdNauseam, PrivacyPossum, CanvasBlocker) don't exist there, and the Ad/tracking blocker setting doesn't tell WHAT they are really blocking, nor can it be customized (it only has "Off, Ad block, and Ad+Track block, no text). And the mobile version, right now, has no support for extensions at all. I think there is compromise for in-browser customization, but no 3rd-party support, being Chromium-based (even if it is ungoogled) and being closed source is complicated. That is just my own opinion, though. It does surprise me that, while using it, it felt (as mentioned) like an OS in itself.

[@alphaclusters4537]

@@NothingXemnas Chromium is still getting much support, and it is kinda hard to get something else can compete against. Cmiiw but i only know some web engines like gecko which is not all good enough, even extremely slow for some websites I use, webkit is just for macos and the old engine from opera got scrapped. As long as web devs still prefers the api provided by google and chromium and no big support for others, the best solution is still a dual browser with a chromium-based one and new browser will still pick chromium as a base. Also due to so many differences in chromium and gecko engine, even if vivaldi decides to create their own extension store and allow those, they might not work at all. Fitefox multi-account container is one example. Vivaldi although has come far away from its start and it is slowly getting its name, there are some road blocks. Vivaldi is still a niche browser with so many experiments, suggestion is overwhelming and limited (24 iirc for all the platforms) staff. Afaik in nearly 100 top suggestions, only about 20 is in progress or in pipelene stage (including some like extension support in mobile browser, session customization). Bugs are still a problem too with so many things inside browser and privacy features are still in need for reform. So for me we can only hope for the browser to stay strong and have more staffs or help to tackle the problems.

[@cewla3348]

@@NothingXemnas i wish it was open source. if you have nothing to hide, why hide it?

[@shinstar4269]

​​@@cewla3348 i mean... if you made a recipe of a dish or drink, and want it to make it something only you have, wouldn't you keep it for yourself without ever sharing it? While i can see the reasonable concerns and doubts about it not being open source i also can see the point of not sharing the UI so nobody else can copy them, so they have these features and make them something only they offer as a personal and unkque touch.

[@vulcan4d]

Firefox truly is the best, why don't more people wake up and use it.

[@Anthonille]

Have you done a best and worst search engines? I'm curious how search engine stacks up to each other. I'd also like to see it include "old school" search engines like Lycos, Exite, webcrawler etc.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Already made it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5vQZ599rNahfdU

[@afterglow1478]

Vivaldi is top tier for me and i tried everything. After customizing everything to my needs i can easily organize and run hundreds of tabs at once and with mouse gestures and the likes i can switch to any tab i want in a split second without even using the tab bar for the most part. When people see me use it they're blown away by how fast I'm able to browse the web, page tiling, have hundreds of tabs open, different work spaces and such and all at a high speed and reasonable ram usage Nothing comes close for me as a power user

[@condimentprince]

Would you recommend tips for Vivaldi? I tried it once but it was so overwhelming I went back to Chrome 😅

[@afterglow1478]

@@condimentprince set mouse gestures for going back and forth through your tabs in order, to close and reopen tabs and to refresh the page. You can make those whatever makes sense for you. Then enable the list tab switcher or something like that so if you hold right click and scroll, you can scroll through a list of all your open tabs. This makes it so you never have to use your tabs and navigation bar pretty much and speeds up your browsing immensely

[@dafoex]

One of my complaints with vivaldi was that they just delete things. I had been using the "Olive" theme that came default, and they decided to delete it and poof goes my preferred theme. I couldn't trust it to not change any of my other settings since then, so good luck to you if you have a configuration with hours put into it

[@nightmarerex2035]

seems like might be usefull when pacificaly want to compare two webpages when reseraching.

[@alfamari7675]

@@condimentprince Start slow, just use the simple stuff like you would be if you used chrome/brave/firefox. They are all pretty simple browsers by comparison, so just use it like you use those. Use it like reskinned chrome if you will. Over time you WILL eventually learn a new thing here and there. Over time, one new thing here and there results in knowing a LOT about the browser. When I first started using it, I was also really overwhelmed. Now with time, I feel that I have a really solid handle on most of vivaldi's features, settings, and using the power features to dramatically blitz through my workflow and no longer feel overwhelmed with it at all.

[@r3dp9]

If youtube hadn't tried to kill my adblocker, I never would have found this channel - and this video - and learned how easy it would be to find a safer and more secure browsing experience. Thankyou!

[@-TheRealThing-]

The way you talked about Vivaldi was like you've never used it. The vertical tab stacks & workspaces are great.

[@jeffreycole2816]

I have my tabs in Vivaldi set at the bottom of the screen. The real way tabs should be used. 😁

[@TheMillionDollarDropout]

@@jeffreycole2816shit… I never thought about it like that bro… “the way tabs SHOULD BE” omg it’s so true

[@sumitkumarsoni1]

Everything was cool, but I wanted one more comparison factor, that is memory consumption. Also, I have switched from Librewolf to Hardened FF since it broke some of the websites I used. Pretty cool vid btw.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Thanks! I probably should have talked more about memory consumption, but since most of the browsers are just based on Chromium and Firefox, they're all mostly the same...

[@madthumbs1564]

Memory consumption could be argued as a user issue, where the user could simply add ram to compensate.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

@@madthumbs1564 Right, it would probably factor into my rankings more if I was using an older machine with less RAM

[@ulink265]

​@@skulverproblem is that most people have 4-8 gigs of ram, so optimizing it would be a lot better, unless you promote your browser as a high end browser

[@cewla3348]

@@ulink265 apps can already see the total amount of ram (unless they fucked that over) so just... scale based off total ram

[@rushikeshmalave8063]

Brave is the GOAT for me. It just combines all aspects a user might ever need. Adblock? check, Privacy respecting? check (fun fact you can actually tweak brave to send absolutely zero telemetry to its servers) Customisation? check, Chromium based and vast library of extensions? check, Simplicity for older and non-technical people? check. Productive, Clean and customizable new-tab page? check Like literally everything and anything you could ever ask for. you could ever ask for.

[@viniciusedu5763]

brave is the best of the list so far

[@tejassharma8569]

I love everything except the choice of keeping green for "Spyware tier" and red for "Based tier" when colors indicate otherwise.

[@gudboigames6640]

It's the standard colouring for a tier list

[@asfdirt]

color meaning is subjective

[@BaronOfDaker]

Very helpful, thank you. A couple of things, though: - All JavaScript code that runs in a browser is viewable. The only way to secure it is to obfuscate it, but that takes about a day for anyone with know-how to work out. - Chrome, Edge, and Opera are *not* closed-source, but portions of the code (no more than 20%) are.

[@bazdarinothebizier9085]

So only the portions concerning phone home telemetry, data harvesting and poc browser fingerprinting techniques are closed source from the Chromium fork? Thank my lucky stars, let me go install Chrome at once! Next you'll be telling me the CCP is a good governing body.

[@siegfread9683]

Im not sure thats much of a distinction. He admitted Vivaldi is mostly open source but not entirely and still called that closed source. I feel its a fair statement to say that a program is not open source if its not 100 percent open source.

[@Mike-dh5ur]

Ideal browser for me would have aesthetics, customization and RAM, CPU and network limiter options like Opera GX, default privacy settings like Brave, tile features like Vivaldi, synchronization like Firefox and speed like Google Chrome with a nice built-in password manager and VPN on top.

[@AlexanderAddams]

So... Regular Opera. Which has every single thing you just mentioned. I'm on Linux, so I can't use GX but regular Opera has your whole list and then some.

[@ra1n7]

@@AlexanderAddams regular opera has page tiling? and default privacy settings?

[@eschernadeau9287]

@@AlexanderAddamsopra sells data lol

[@AlexanderAddams]

@@ra1n7 yep

[@AlexanderAddams]

@@eschernadeau9287 are you saying this whole writing it on KZbin owned by Google?

[@MarshallZPie]

I've been using Vivaldi since I believe 2017 or 2018, at the time, I just used it because it was pretty good with privacy and the tab stacking was super useful. I have enjoyed seeing more and more features being introduced over the years, and it hasn't been overwhelming for me because of that, but I'm sure getting it now could be overwhelming.

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

Tab stacking in the old days of Vivaldi was pretty horrible. I remember fighting that feature. Thing is there were no way to reorganize tabs other than stacking them. Try to move a tab left or right on the tab bar and nothing happened. You could (working from malfunctioning memory) open up some window ant try to reorganize them, but if I remember correctly that was very hit and miss. It took years but eventually the developers got around to fixing this and today it's almost flawless. I originally went with Vivaldi just because Opera was absolutely refusing to even consider enabling tab stacking on the "New" Opera versions they released after 12.14 (I think it was) when they abandoned Presto. I started using Opera way back when a part of their goal was that the installation file for Opera would always fit on a standard 1.44 MB floppy... I stayed with them through 12.14, and kept using it for years, waiting for Opera to finally get their head out of their ass and implement tab stacking again. But when 12.14 no longer worked on most sites, I think it was KZbin that finally broke me, I tried just about every browser there was trying to find a new home. Firefox for some reason rubbs me the wrong way. I felt clunky and they had just changed over to a modern UI that I hated. Sure it can be customized, and sure there's an extension for that, what ever that is. But after a while I just couldn't stand hunting for extensions that broke with updates of FF and so on. Chrome was the browser I ended up using a lot for a year or so. Still a lot of things that had to be done by installing extensions, but at least it wasn't quite as clunky as FF. Never really had any performance problems with Chrome even when people were crying about memory usage and CPU hogging. Guess I was lucky. But no matter what extensions I tried I couldn't find something that let me stack tabs the way I used to in Opera 12.14 and earlier. I think tab stacking was introduced in Opera around version 5 or 6, so it was an old friend by 12.14. Vivaldi was something I found when I googled tab stacking and opera. And it turned out that some of the devs came from the old development team at Opera. And they had largely the same complaints about the "New" Opera releases as I did. What's more it was possible to relatively easily set Vivaldi up with the menus and everything looking much like the old Opera I had thought was lost forever. So that's what I run up until this day. What I love about Opera is that it is a complete package. You do not need to hunt down all kinds of extensions just to get a working browser. Most everything you may need is built in, but you do not need to use it. Don't want to use the mail client? Fine ignore it and it won't ever show up. Same with the RSS reader and so on. Personally I run two, maybe three extensions. Tamper Monkey and Return KZbin Dislikes are the only two I have enabled.

[@riptornsideways]

I’ve been using brave for a little over 2 years now because it feels exactly like chrome without all the stuff that makes chrome garbage. I will probably continue to use brave for a very long time.

[@harrkev]

The whole "open source" thing really only works if the code is COMPILED by a trusted source. A browser can be open sources, but a company can add whatever they want to it before compiling it, and you would have no way to know for sure. If you compile from the source yourself, you know for sure.

[@Anonimul007]

What if you use a binary diff utility? Compare the one compiled from source code by you, and the one compiled by the source. If there's diffs that are not timestamp related, there's something going on

[@harrkev]

@@Anonimul007 that works great... If you have exactly the same compiler.

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

I use NixOS and it either compiles software locally or it pulls the binaries from a trusted cache after verifying the checksum. This is also part of what makes NixOS fully reproducible, making sure that everything is exactly the same after rebuilding.

[@progCan]

@@harrkev they usually disclose that, as far as i know.

[@progCan]

@@fabiandrinksmilk6205 same thing with gentoo but not a lot of people use that

[@TheSpiritedFendron]

I'd put Brave one tier above because you can ignore the crypto thing completely so it doesn't have any downsides. Other than that, the speed it offers just makes it Based tier without any downsides

[@Alice_Fumo]

Before watching this video I had never even heard of Vivaldi. However, those features are like everything I have ever wanted, an absolute godsend. I've been setting it up the past hours and already had so many "how did I ever live without this?" moments. Also, I do not find it particularly overwhelming, because the implementations of stuff are sensible. So now I'll have 3 browsers - Vivaldi as default thing, Hardened Firefox for things where privacy matters and TOR. Yeah, I suppose I feel happy with that.

[@Elyciumbamzl]

Can you give me a few examples to where you would use Hardened Firefox ? Thinkin of doing a multi browser setup too...

[@Alice_Fumo]

​@@Elyciumbamzl mostly banking, visiting websites run by my government and visiting websites which I want to know as little about me as possible, such as TikTok when someone sends me a link. I've not used it a lot since going to Vivaldi, though. I set up two different browser profiles for Vivaldi, which since I can have them open at the same time has been going great. Keeps the primary profile history etc. clean without giving up the ability to have a history or being logged into accounts.

[@Ubermenschgaming_]

Fumo...Alice....

[@Alice_Fumo]

@@Ubermenschgaming_ Sup

[@Jankoekepannekoek]

Used to be a Waterfox user for a while because they actually had a 64-bit version, while Firefox was still 32-bit on Windows.

[@lettuce7378]

I use Firefox sync quite often, and I love that I have the ability to send tabs from my phone to my computer, and vise versa. I do have some of the more useless stuff in Firefox disabled, but I really like the close to default setup I use.

[@swiftypopty1102]

Librewolf on PC with Mull on Android is a great combination, and Firefox Sync between the two of them makes them even better. I love the convenience of Librewolf by providing toggle settings on certain hardened privacy settings (resist.Fingerprinting, strict policy, etc.) to combat website breakage.

[@SlitheringDemon]

​@@ronald0122apk

[@ok-mx1mi]

​@@ronald0122f droid or github

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

What browser should I use for iOS?

[@ok-mx1mi]

@@goofyahdemoman1134 there are not many options on ios, safari is ok and firefox or duckduckgo is also good. Dont forget to change your settings and add ublock origin if possible

[@Nobody-xp6ip]

What is Fingerprinting? Curious here

[@disnoca]

No offense but I think Chrome's, Edge's and Opera's review was very unjust. No doubt that they collect more data about that their users that we can possibly imagine, but that is a disadvantage, not a rating. I understand that you don't want your data harvested and sold, but there are people who might be okay with that and want to know their advantages and the rest of their disadvantages, so that they can compare it to the other browsers being rated. I finished the video not knowing anything else about those three browsers besides the fact that they collect your data. I'm literally learning more about them from the comments than from your video. One of the disadvantages of Pale Moon was that it was paid, yet, not only didn't you put it in a "Paid Tier", you explained the rest of it's features and rated it normally. Had you not, a person who really loved old Firefox would never know about this browser that would completely suit them. You reviewed Vivaldi well, why couldn't you do the same for the other three? I'm sure that, had you reviewed the other 3 browsers decently, there would be at least a handful of people learning about features they never knew existed and would be trying them out. If you didn't want to review them then it's fine, exclude them from the video or say that you don't want to. But if you want to review them, at least do it as well as the other ones.

[@AnInsaneTaco]

Opera is extreme spyware do not use, chrome is extreme spyware do not use. Brave is better than both but chromium based so still do not use. Brave tor is ok to use.

[@BNWilliamGaming]

Where’s Netscape Navigator, Avast, Safari, and Internet Explorer?

[@endymallorn]

Netscape is secure, but no longer renders much. Avast's last version was a Chrome skin after being a Firefox skin. Safari is still the leading browser on Apple systems. IE is dead, long live Edge (except Edge is now a Chrome skin).

[@annihilator247x]

Waterfox was bought by an advertising company. It's the same company that bought Startpage. Waterfox belongs in Mediocre tier and will soon fall to Spyware tier.

[@AvenirRacing]

Agreed. Stopped using Startpage as soon as I noticed enshittification had forced its way in.

[@Cinder-g2o]

I'd be interested to see how Apple's safari browser compares security-wise to these PC browsers.

[@ThePhantomGodofNight]

Never thought id hear apple and secure in the same sentence lmao

[@timpudge5816]

shut up nigga@@ThePhantomGodofNight

[@_Boni_]

@@ThePhantomGodofNight It is secure, but not against Apple

[@sabhyasoni4485]

@@ThePhantomGodofNight are you really saying that apple products are not secure?

[@ThePhantomGodofNight]

@@sabhyasoni4485 theyve been selling your info to the highest bidder for decades

[@InquisitorSinCross]

What completely sold me on Vivaldi is customisable shortcuts. Now I finally have pretty much the same user expirience I had with the old Opera.

[@Adeon55]

12:13 True, but at least it was nice of Google to announce to the world that they had embraced evil when they decided to yeet their old, outdated motto, _"Don't be evil"._

[@leoneqful]

Cent browser is good analog chrome, have tips like autonomous tabs. Vivaldi it has sidebar support with opening tabs (it's a pity that it's not a tree, but others don't have that) and the design theme with transparency is very beautiful.

[@semyonarteev3100]

cent browser is only in windows, so i used linux.

[@casperblackcat1975]

The problem with Cent is that it's rarely updated.

[@BlueBubso]

I love Vivaldi, I didn't know there was a fanbase, but I love how many features it has. It even has its own Twitter lol.

[@hodolski]

"Watch some ads and I'll give you money" thing never works well. Digital ads cost too low per impression, so you only take a teeny tiny fraction of a penny after adverting platform takes their own stake. Usually the platform falls before you accumulate rewards to buy some snacks, invalidating your hard painstaking effort. Brave itself is decent, anyway.

[@Kong-kg6ij]

With Brave, you can turn off the BAT ads.

[@kitzuru]

Personally, I stick with Vivaldi. First of all, I have to agree with what most comments in this vid seem to say about it, I LOVE all the customisation it has, I get that it can be too much for a lot of people, but for me, it's perfect (the fact that you can also select a simpler version once you're installing it so you don't get all the things like their calender, mail, etc. also helps with this a lot, in fact, I use it this way). Secondly, and most important for me, is its performance (which is really weird for me because most of the websites you'll find, rate Vivaldi as one of the most memory-consuming browsers), for someone who has a potato laptop with just 2GB of RAM and a celeron processor, it's actually the fastest and most stable browser I've used so far (while still looking very stylish), I haven't gotten into any compatibility problems with websites or extensions at all either, only had some minor visual glitches on an older pc but it was because it had Windows 7 and Aero disabled. At this point, I'm fairly sure I'll stick with this browser even if I get a better computer.

[@zacharylindahl]

I've mostly used Firefox since the late 2000's. I used to really like opera back in the day. Icecat sounds pretty cool in theory, I have big respect for stallman

[@BlackMicrowave]

Me too, firefox was the best one in the 2000's.

[@shadowxthevampiressofficial]

I also heard from all the GX ads that Chrome is very resource heavy. The problem I noticed on GX is that I wasn't able to upload videos on there. I'm definitely going with Brave because I'm poor & every cent helps. Vivaldi would be my second choice.

[@nazex2445]

GX is owned by a chinese company, there's no privacy there

[@RapidPhantom293]

@@nazex2445 And half of the people that use GX don't even care, myself included.

[@whiskytangofoxtrot_]

@@nazex2445 You're already using windows if you're using gx, so you don't really have privacy there either

[@doommaker4000]

​@@whiskytangofoxtrot_How original

[@RahulkumarMak]

​@@whiskytangofoxtrot_this reason keep me using google chrome 😅

[@ISAK.M]

I had to rewatch this video again after a few months and I have to say this is the most based tierlist so far 🔥 (please include Mercury next time)

[@jadesprite]

LibreWolf is absolutely based, I'm so glad you covered it. But I would definitely put ungoogled chromium ABOVE waterfox given wf attachment to an ad company. UC is basically the chromium equivalent of librewolf so I think it should have been at the top, and manually updating addons isn't really that big of a deal once you get into normal usage... even for someone who has a "lot" of addons very few of them need regular updating.

[@qdaniele97]

I can't understand your reasoning. You are worried about a potentially evil company sneaking potentially evil code in an opensource project they started and/or support (totally legit concern) so you choose to: - Avoid WaterFox, an opensource browser backed by an ad company and based on an opensource browser made by a fundation that (while sometimes making questionable choices) is still pretty reputable in the free software community. - And instead use UnGoogled Chromium, a community made completely opensource and de-bloated browser with at its core the extra bloated and half-assed opensource browser made by the biggest and baddest advertizing company on the planet. I think that, if there really is a risk of some spyware and/or backdoor being hidden in plain sight in opensource code (obfuscated by complexity or something like that), it's far more likely to be in the huge code-base of chromium than in the couple of tweaks made to Firefox by the Waterfox team.

[@ShadowOfTheSPQR]

The ad company tie was severed on July 3rd, check it out.

[@Helliox]

@@ShadowOfTheSPQR between whom?

[@Alex_564]

@@Helliox waterfox. It's an indie app again.

[@daleredmon8111]

UC=?

[@prateekyadav9275]

I get why Vivaldi gets negative reviews. However, I've never looked back after switching to Vivaldi. It is extremely powerful if you are a power user. I basically live in keyboard and Vivaldi makes it way easier to remove mouse from the equation.

[@sinhalo]

My two are these 1. Firefox with betterfox 2. Edge for chatgpt and it’s amazing chat feature and work stuff (share point,Azure, etc)

[@Physik-o9i]

Microsoft edge on launch jumps your disk usage to 100% so if it isn't a "spyware" per say what's it doing cooking your SSD/HDD alive in the first place

[@whiskytangofoxtrot_]

@@Physik-o9i to be fair using windows is spyware at this point

[@insanecuckooman8342]

@@Physik-o9i on mac, edge is super ok

[@damian9303]

@@Physik-o9ihe same telemetry Windows 10 is doing in the background. Pretty sure ChatGPT has its own Bing search away from the chatbot (which they made Edge a requirement for)

[@iDeparture]

just as bad as google yeah@@whiskytangofoxtrot_

[@griffonwing]

I've been using Vivaldi ever since Opera was sold and moved to chromium. Opera 6.2 was perfect! My favorite feature of Vivaldi is Workspaces. I have several created, some for each game I'm playing, one for work, and one for tabletop rpgs. All in one browser. Love it.

[@GuyWithFloof]

My take on google is that no matter what you do, they have your data, so it's almost useless to try and hide it. Heck, we are all on a google platform right now.

[@reziahh]

private youtube front ends exist

[@rimondas6729]

Soy jack

[@hb-robo]

This defeatist attitude is why we don’t live in a world where Google is paying us all thousands of dollars per year to collect that data.

[@RammsteinAM]

This is a good point: "If you start up Opera, it does make a whole bunch of unsolicited requests to Opera..." This is not: "when it's (Vivaldi) closed source, I can't really see what data they're collecting about me..." If you are able to check whether one browser does unsolicited requests, why couldn't you do the same for the other? Also, telling that Firefox has a bunch of telemetry and analytics stuff and putting it into a higher tier than Vivaldi is ridiculous.

I use vivaldi browser and I understand why you put it low on the tier list. If I need to evaluate vivaldi browser for spyware than I would also rate it low too. However if I need to rate because of customize options, stability and speed, than it become top tier. Maybe one day there will be an open source browser that is better for me than Vivaldi.

[@knwr]

idk, it was sold to me as a feature rich customization browser and I couldn't even drag and drop text into the tab field. Top flexibility, yet without one of the most basic features supported by every other browser lmao

[@RandomGeometryDashStuff]

I don't like vivaldi because there is dead zone on right side of window when use native window and scrollbar hard to use

[@pepkin88]

@@knwr and what is it even supposed to do? I have never used such feature, never heard of it, wouldn't call it "most basic". But I checked it and I can drag and drop a text into the tab field. So I don't know what you are talking about.

[@knwr]

@@pepkin88 "What is it even supposed to do?" Do you need to me to actually explain it to you?

[@pepkin88]

@@knwr ​I don't know, what browser you are using, so I don't know, what do you expect. Dragging a text onto a tab field (you mean tab bar?) is, for me at least, not a very obvious behavior, and definitely not something "most basic". You complained, that a browser should not call itself customizable, if you can't drag a text onto a tab field. When in fact you have much more customizability in comparison to other browsers: in terms of general layout, button layout, keyboard shortcuts, mouse gestures, procedures, themes, and so on. And yet, you were still wrong, because you actually can drag a text onto a tab field/tab bar in Vivaldi: it opens a new tab with the default search and searches that text. I normally do that from the context menu, so I haven't tried it before. Is that not what you expected? I have no idea, what should it do instead. What browser am I supposed to download to check, what is that you expect from that feature? You said it is "supported by every other browser". I checked in Safari and nothing happened. Hmm, maybe not in every browser. OK, I checked Chrome. It does exactly what Vivaldi does. But even if your claim was true, that's still a really weak argument. First, it wouldn't undermine Vivaldi's general flexibility. Flexibility or customizability relates to what you can change in the browser for your liking, in terms of UI or behavior. And it is plenty customizable overall. Second, it wouldn't undermine Vivaldi's vast catalogue of features. The feature you failed to properly describe you could do in a different way, e.g. using a context menu. And there are still tons of other features. Vivaldi is certainly not a perfect browser, it has plenty of flaws. You could pick any of those to support your argument. But instead, you chose a feature it has, to show that it doesn't have it? "Do you need to me to actually explain it to you?" Well, at first I did, but now I don't. I assume that the behavior you expected is the same I described. And even it isn't, it doesn't matter. Anyway, you do you. Use whichever browser you like. Cheers.

[@JohnSmith-mf3dh]

It is not weird to use the keyboard for everything, in fact is way faster. Too bad Microsoft is destroying that on Windows, it's a minefield navigating the windows with just the keyboard. And I expect the Linux community going that way too. so sad...

[@theor.6856]

For Pale Moon, it has better compatibility with old websites (like still being able to run adobe flash) and so is cool to have on your side

[@jask_r]

I'm frustrated this got overlooked, I don't use Pale Moon as a primary browser but it's quite literally necessary and invaluable for certain things. Old weird things like NPAPI that still require internet explorer work in Pale Moon, especially after microsoft deprecated ie. The ie compatibility in edge doesn't work for those things at all.

[@f0xyplayz_yt307]

so i can still play moshi monsters? lol

[@Firevine]

There are a few departments at my job that depend on Pale Moon, because they use a service that only runs in it. This was even before Internet Explorer got put out of our misery. Hurrah for government ineptitude.

[@rufrox9947]

Edge works great as a PDF reader for me. It s very fast. I ditched Adobe because of how cumbersome and slow it had become. Granted, it probably has better features (Adobe) but Edge's just too fast and vertical tabs are nice when swapping between files. For browsing, Brave was the way to go for me as soon as it launched circa 2008 or 2011 I believe? The ad-free experience out of the box at the time (unlike FF or Chrome which required an extension that wasn't as deep as Brave's at launch) was like no other. Now websites that were littered with ads became actually readable/usable.

[@gregwx]

Check Sumatra PDF reader.

[@fifier]

2016

[@maximusreed9270]

I love vertical tabs plus Edge is pretty fast imo, faster than Chrome anyway.

[@mormengil]

Sumatra PDF reader. Been using nearly 2 decades, never looked back.

[@otaviofrn_adv]

i have just one issue regarding Edge as a PDF application: the lack of option to sign with my digital certificate. I sign quite a lot of documents with it, and for that I need either Acrobat or another solution

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

Thank you for recommending Libre Wolf. I've been using Firefox for quite some time, but mostly use Brave like I currently am right now. I will definitely consider it as a substitute for Firefox if all goes well.

[@HariPrasad-mn5vu]

13:54 I really don't want to write this but I will. There is nothing wrong with JS there is nothing like free or non free javascript. Programming languages are free for anyone to check. Stop this misinformation. It's actually how javascript is rendered (a decision made by individual programmer not javascript itself) weather it is rendered on client side (which you can go see) or weather it is rendered on the severe side (which you can't inspect) this is just a matter of choice by the devlopers not the javascript engine or js in itself. Pls do your research before saying something ike that you are a responsibility person and I love your content but you gotta take care.

[@Inflamed_Forest]

ngl opera gx is the best one in my opinion bcs you can customise the amount of cpu and RAM it uses and you can also see which tabs are using up all of your cpu and RAM and im a gamer so this feature is really useful for me

[@LMiranic]

Dude just download more RAM if that's a problem smh

[@x_tornado10]

True and i love the design options and adblock and that your tabs get saved. And you can turn off most of the privacy settings.

[@Inflamed_Forest]

fr @x_tornado10

[@twinsisterr]

i tried out opera for a month or so after everyone was raving about it and was shocked by how awful it was

[@KunoichiPeri]

Opera GX was really bad…felt more like spyware then Google chrome to me…adding a sidebar, auto setting itself the default browser, auto setting itself to launch at startup…yeah don’t go anywhere near it😅

[@ikyourewatchingmeahc]

​@@KunoichiPeriopera has options for that now and plus I use opera ONLY for the soul purpose of blocking ads and trackers

[@Masternaldo]

blind google chrome rider replying the same lies to every comment about the great Opera browser @@KunoichiPeri

[@LeonBlade]

I love Google Chrome, I will continue to use Google Chrome. I want Google to spy on me and all the weird shit that I look up online.

[@LordUroko88]

What would you recommend for android then? Librewolf or waterfox are what im looking at doing on my pc but what browser should i swap mobile too? Preferably something that would sink woth either or both of those 2

[@jivemelon]

late but I'd recommend Iceraven

[@stupidburp]

I use Brave for most things on mobile. It has some occasional hiccups but is good enough most of the time.

[@Araragi0806]

What did you end up doing?

[@Lord_Uroko]

@Araragi0806 mull. I kept chrome installed for some things but I use mull probably 90-95% of the time. It feels pretty good. ​I did change google accounts though haha

[@recentlymaterialized6827]

Android has other "hardened" firefox modifications like Fennec and Mull

[@ME0WMERE]

15:42 Well...no. IceCat also _genuinely_ respects your privacy, unlike, say, Firefox. It makes absolutely no unsolicited requests at all. Even if you end up whitelisting a lot of websites with LibreJS, it's still worth using.

[@psybin]

I've been using Vivaldi for about a year now and I really like it. When you started the Vivaldi section talking about its rabid fan base, I thought, that's interesting.. I wonder why. Then by the time you were done reviewing it I was like, HOW DARE YOU!? I'll still give this a like though. I'm not a savage like the other 458!

[@Milennin]

I've used many browsers over the 2 decades I've been using the internet for, but Vivaldi's been the best one IMO. I can't see myself switching back to the alternatives.

[@lrnd9893]

Great video! Very informative. I totally agree with the spyware tier, however you could have given some more arguments why those browsers belong there. Also I would be very curious what do you think about Arc browser and Safari.

[@stupidburp]

Safari talks to Apple and thus is spyware tier but is somewhat less egregious than the data sent by Chrome or Edge. It also has extremely limited customization options and even those apps that use it as an engine without the default UI have limited access. Use something else.

[@alexnoyle]

The point of using pale moon is to support goanna the web engine. It’s important for web plurality.

[@papabear562]

That's a good point and one of the reasons why I use it. Plus, yes, it looks like Firefox of old and I liked that kind of UI.

[@alexnoyle]

@@papabear562 there is also Basilisk for those who prefer Australis

[@papabear562]

@@alexnoyle I've heard of Basilisk but never tried it. I've pretty much settled on Slimjet (a Chromium-based browser), Palemoon and basic Chromium.

[@exosine]

I like how chrome looks tho.. and I don’t use the internet for anything illegal so why would I care that google keeps a giant list of every meme i’ve ever looked at 😂

[@lyzk3l]

so you wouldnt mind if someone watches you through your camera and listens to your mic (even if you arent doing anything illegal)? and you wouldnt mind if they save the videos and sell it to buisnesses. its essentially the same thing, a disregard for privacy

[@godhelpusallc1219]

@@lyzk3l The irony of commenting this on a website owned by google.

[@savastoimenov7431]

@@lyzk3l thank god nobody is doing that, right? It's just looking at everything I search and storing it in a database that nobody will look at. Could not give less of a shit

[@myknives...]

​​don't lie they don't automatically activate the camera , that requires my permission which i have literally dis​abled my pc camera , also i dont give a shit about them listening through my mic because they wont understand my language anyways ( especially with the way i usually talk) also find features like sync very convenient@lyzk3l

[@Tennouseijin]

For me the reason to switch from Firefox to Palemoon had less to do with Firefox changing layout and look (because those can be easily fixed), but more to do with constant regressions. It's really annoying when things work, you install updates, and things stop working, because apparently some of your plugins and addons are not compatible with the new version of Firefox. So you have to constantly either search for new plugins and addons to replace the ones that ain't working, or you have to use Firefox bare without addons, or you have to stop installing Firefox updates. Neither of those options seemed good to me, so that's why I opted for Palemoon.

[@tovarishchfeixiao]

I don't know what addons and plugins you use, but i never had any problem like that.

[@botarakutabi1199]

@@tovarishchfeixiao me either

[@freeculture]

Pray the day you ever engage with the Palemon devs, you'll repent the rest of your life from ever touching it. Go LibreWolf.

[@TehButterflyEffect]

I may be using Palemoon soon because it has a real bookmarks bar. I don't know why literally every single browser deleted bookmark bars from their UI. Super annoying, and like you said, regressive.

[@seeelvmord]

@@TehButterflyEffect You can press ctrl shit b on most modern browsers to show or hide the bookmark bar. That way it only shows when you need it, and doesnt take up space

[@fernefer1071]

when you worry so much about your privacy then dont use internet, simple as that, there is always going to be some app that is going to steal your info

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

Or just don't use any of your real information on the Internet.

[@diegoxl59]

I love and used firefox, but now I use Edge, one of the main reasons is the UI and the easier Profile switching. The thing with the Data privacy I don't really care, your data is going to be collected one way or another.

[@TheFiretiger20]

edge was nice in the beginning but now it is very annoying with unwanted office360 buttons, overall look of it and the collections feature is not very reliable now edge is basically full force spyware for windows.

[@johannan0032]

Me watching this on Opera GX: oh fuck...

[@purityweeps]

did you end up switching? im watching this on opera rn n im not sure if its worth changing

[@johannan0032]

@@purityweeps I switched to Librewolf

[@bighillraft]

Opera is literally worse for your privacy than Chrome and Edge

[@_Devil]

Ive used Brave for many years now. Firstly on my phone, so I could listen my music with a locked screen at school, but when I got my first PC in 2020 I installed it after a few months when I noticed that Chrome was messing with my system. Now that Ive used Brave for so long, I cant go back

[@jpteknoman]

I use Brave. I find it to provide the best balance between lazy friendly and privacy. As for settings and such, that others say they use chrome for, i just have to export it into a file, put the file in a flash drive and then reload the stuff when i reinstall it in the new pc or after a format. Chrome would save me about 10 clicks and 20s

[@joshallen128]

chromium based yet still reciprocal free under the mpl

[@eekee6034]

I've been in touch with the open source world since before Firefox had a reason to exist, I use Firefox all day every day... and I wouldn't put it any higher than "decent". Open source is not free of problems and Firefox has unfortunately been on the blunt end of some of those problems. The reason I use it is because I'm just that comfortable with its UI. Particularly, I have to full-screen everything but still want quick access to tabs. It doesn't take me half an hour to set up, but I do have to tweak some things. o.o ... Wow! I'm going to have to switch to hardened Firefox! :) Betterfox might be the script for me if I don't make my own user.js . I miss the days when you could get by with a simple, no-JS, no-CSS web browser. You could never use such a thing for KZbin though; that needed a Flash plugin before HTML5. Probably other video sites too, though waaaay back when you could sometimes just stream videos over http and have them play in a media player plugin. That whole plugin architecture is nearly dead now. I came across a video file on a http server like that the other day, but it was the first in maybe 15 years or more. It might be seen more in scientists personal sites. heh heh heh, "You can view the source code." I'm just so disillusioned with that whole dream after all these years. Did you know there was a backdoor in OpenSSL, and it took _11 years_ for anyone to notice? Think how many things rely on OpenSSL and how many people should care about it! It shook the OpenBSD team who really prided themselves on their security. The release image for their next release had a bunch of tinfoil hats! More practically, they also produced LibreSSL. They can distribute LibreSSL with no backdoors because, being Canadian, they're not subject to US law. The backdoor in OpenSSL is something to do with a US TLA. I have to laugh every time the topic of Firefox bloat comes up. :) The whole point of Firefox's existence was to leave behind the "bloat" of Mozilla (now SeaMonkey) which has email, a web page designer, and something else in addition to the browser. It only took a couple of years for Firefox to start taking longer to start up and to use more system resources than Mozilla! I just don't know what even! XD It makes no sense, it never has, but it's real! Won't Hardened Firefox be a day or two behind too? How -does it work- do the pieces fit together, with the externally sourced user.js and all? Uh... *blink blink* just adding that I don't understand Pale Moon users either! hehe but you like what you like. I've had a blank home page almost continuously since Firefox 0.8. Qute Browser reminds me I used the Vimperator extension in Firefox until I noticed that you can select links in any browser with a simple search, and you don't have those noisy tabs all over the place. Besides, I've been using Vim and other VI clones since 1998 and I'm still not 100% comfortable with how convoluted their keybindings are. I get on better with a few simple orthogonal commands in my Forth editor. Vivaldi just has too many features for me. :) Besides, I'm pretty sure Opera had page tiling at one point. Incidentally, I respect Opera for the innovations it has made in the past such as tabs in the title bar and the 1 menu button, but the last time I used it I found I can't deal with its self-promotion or its feature list. Oh, you know what? It looks like Vivaldi is to Opera sort-of what Pale Moon is to Firefox. Oh yeah, Vivaldi's attitude. I kind-of get it, but seriously, if you don't want someone to profit from your work, pick a GPL licence or even a _non-free open source_ licence. It's entirely possible to make a license which allows people to look but not copy, or not sell copies. The GPL allows selling copies for the sake of CD-ROM distribution, but that's hardly necessary any more. If it is a GPL license, you might get the FSF on your side if you ever have to litigate, but I guess not for a non-free open source licence. Oh, look at me promoting the same open source I'm disillusioned with. Eh, I still think it's better than nothing. Well, this is a very useful video. Thanks for making it, Eric!

[@MyCompAndGadgetHacks]

Imo CSS is fine but JavaScript is the devil only because of the need to have "backwards" compability on the web. Dont even start with the introduction of node into the backend that is. Hopefully htmx becomes the standard. If you can recall the Flash days of the Internet you probably remember ActiveX being also an annoyance to majority. On the topic of open source. It's funny to see people quickly hate on Mozilla introducing changes but the downside of open source is always going to be financially. Where do you get the money do keep this stuff free and updated? Its not like these devs are working full time with no pay. They also got bills to pay. So theres always going to be a compromise on stuff like that. The users can just not use those changes though. Its not like their being forced to use x setting and x product. For me Firefox is going to be the only choice until the end because of the privacy focused part which is why ill put on based tier and its the only browser that keeps Chromium from being the monopoly that it already is since majority of browsers run Chromium. also hardened firefox won't be behind when it comes to updates since essentially its Firefox with user configs tweaked for privacy and its actually already built in firefox but disabled by default.

[@DOCTOR.DEADHEAD]

What saddens me so much about Opera GX is that it easily has my favorite look and appearance options out of any other browser I've seen. Wasn't enough to stop me from eventually switching but I still miss it a lot lol

[@beiragusa]

Whats wrong with it bad besides security concerns?

[@naughtywizard]

I love the built in VPN

[@biasneeze]

@@beiragusa It feels like boatware.

[@beiragusa]

@@biasneeze Can you elaborate? I love its inbuilt adblocker that worked with you tube all this time even with adblocker ban, and few other gadgets. Someone else also told me it leaves some suspicious files but I don't get what exactly or why... It does use like 500mb of ram, is that the problem?

[@biasneeze]

@@beiragusa It just seems very sketchy

[@unicorn_tamer]

You gotta do a new version of this that includes floorp. It's a crime not mentioning it honestly.

[@wdc1744]

Should've included TOR, which is perceived as an extremely private browser

[@detective_solar]

by the CIA

[@TeaRiker]

@@detective_solar dude you really don't trust anything, do you? hahahaha