Why I Stopped Using the Brave Browser

[@lboston4660]

"we can't talk about brave without talking about crypto" Yes the hell we can. I get annoyed whenever I try to talk about Brave to anyone and they scoff because crypto. I literally never even think about the BAT system except when somebody brings it up as a complaint about Brave. I know for a fact it comes disabled by default. You have to push a button to enable it. Just don't push that button and use it like a regular browser

[@5226-p1e]

i agree, but i never really got into the crypto stuff with brave, i mean i sort of checked it out when it was first being implemented, but i saw the same issues that the youtuber above stated, but i kept using the browser because it worked great with everything else i needed on all my cell phones and PC's that i used. i also don't go to many other websites outside of youtube and a few others, but i guess i could see the broken sheilds being an issue, but i never run into it because i rarely ever leave the sites i regularly use. however i hate reddit when i'm trying to view through brave on my phone, they always try to force me to use chrome or download their app and i simply always refuse to use anything else, i think it's stupid to use an app for any webpage, i know they have been promoting this kind of thing for nearly 2 decades now with various other websites such as facebook twitter and youtube, but i don't care for the feature, it just leads to space used that doesn't need to be used on my phone, obviously i'm using brave as an app, but i can limit the apps i use just by using brave through bookmarks and tabs. there is no need to use my memory storage on my phone for webpages, it's just a stupid feature that i hate being forced into, but for some reason when i go to reddit using my PC brave browser i can go there without issue, so something on their site is tied to the mobile version of the app that is fucking this up.

[@ultravio1et]

Shame the ads on the new tab page are not disabled by default (Brave user since the beta)

[@docmartencumsludge]

This

[@Redwan777]

​@@ultravio1etThat can also be disabled with 3-4 clicks. Firefox fans really don't understand it takes aboit 10-15 minutes for a normal user to set up his browser the way they want to.

[@Moli05]

brave has a ton of options for cryptocurrencies. obviously you have to talk about it. it's not a big deal tbh but it's there and it's important

[@JethroDawnfine]

I always used Firefox. It's annoying to know that everything is now made from and for Chrome. Actually, it's scary. It's healthy to have another good browser there together with Chrome and that's one of the reason why I keep using Firefox. It can't die. Be Brave, Firefox! 😊

[@Amaraticando]

it doesn't help itself being funded by Google, forcing questionable addons to users and having rainbow logos for June all over the place.

[@5226-p1e]

is Samsung internet using chrome?

[@videomeik]

be brave hehe

[@Redyf]

Please, don't be brave firefox! I want it to be FIREFOX

[@Jeff--vq4zb]

Firefox should be around forever, especially for Linux users. We need to build our own internet that works with free software browsers.

[@zenzedd]

Summary of the video: NOOOO i have to turn off optional stuff, im literally shaking right now

[@5226-p1e]

lol, that's a good point, but also the crypto thing was pretty bad, being tied to uphold and gemini makes the crypto aspect worthless when it comes to privacy. oh and the broken shield sites is also an issue.

[@SimGunther]

Also, how dare they advertise any of their features when I just want to browse without ads?? 🤪

[@5226-p1e]

@@SimGunther honestly that's kind of more a stupid point in this video, lol, like it's something that can easily be turned off within the brave settings, it just takes a few clicks and your done. although it would be better if it was by default turned off when the user downloads the app, just like the background video playback feature should be turned on automatically. now i have been using brave for the last 5 or so years and i have enjoyed it so far, recently though i have been using firefox and though it has many of the same features, you also have to turn on all of these functions so it's no diffrent of a process, i mean firefox doesn't even come with the adblocking and tracker blocking when you first download it, it's something you have to manually set up through the addons menu, and some don't work that well, firefox also runs more laggy than brave does, it's also much more resource heavy than brave is. but because the other issues that brave has, firefox is the next best option to choose from because it's not tied to chrome like brave is. so right now the best option is firefox if you want to continue with all the features you already enjoy with brave that will end at some point when brave gets pushed out from working on some sites.

[@notusingpremium]

It should be opt in. Brave isn't meant for average people. It's meant for people who don't want clutter and random ads. Being automatically enabled is just stupid.

[@Syndiate__]

@@5226-p1e "Firefox also runs more laggy than Brave" Really? Well, from my experience (not saying that this is a true objective benchmark, but just saying), Brave takes like 10 minutes to boot up while Firefox boots up instantly (this is on Windows 10 on *hard drive*)

[@brackguthrie9470]

I almost never have websites break due to shields. And with the few that do break, you can turn shields off with a single click on a per site basis. This problem is way overstated.

[@Name_cannot_be_blank]

wdym it was just a small mention...

[@TheTacticalHaggis]

So why use Brave if you have to turn off the very thing that makes Brave good?

[@brackguthrie9470]

@@TheTacticalHaggis Like I said, issues are rare, but you can change the level of protection if websites break. I have had websites break on Firefox when with protection set to strict.

[@purpleglitter2600]

@@brackguthrie9470 But issues can happen to different peope, and not others. For example, I've never had Gecko's strict tracking protections break sites, yet you have. I'm not gonna pretend that it doesn't happen, but I do wonder how it happened since I haven't experienced it (but I could just not being using the website where it broke for you, which makes sense since my web browsing experience isn't very diverse lol).

[@WoozyCool]

@@TheTacticalHaggis Right now? youtube found a way to issue adblocker warning, in all means possible, whichever browser, whichever extension I use. EXCEPT Using brave browser. I have vpn sure, it comes with built in adblocker, but I disable the vpn's adblocker, let the brave browser do it's thing. Sometimes I turn on/off the fingerprint blocking thingy. Otherwise, not ONE youtube ad since I started using this browser. I basically reside on youtube, so yea, that's a lot of ads skipped for free, no membership crap.

[@UrgentSnooker]

> Why I Stopped Using the Brave Browser > Explains why Brave is good thanks to ad blocking and privacy > Proceeds to spending half of the video explaining the issues with the functionality of Brave Rewards that nobody uses exactly because they want ads to be blocked and not shown in exchange for your privacy

[@Always.Smarter]

it would be interesting to get your take on mobile browsers. they tend not to be as customizable, and lack ad blockers, but Brave has a mobile app with a built in ad blocker so I still use it for that.

[@Naokarma]

Honestly, this is the only valid use of Brave, imo. I've always found it so clunky to use mobile browsers, and while I'd consider Brave a relatively clunky browser on PC, it's honestly difficult to get any worse than, say, the default browsers.

[@5226-p1e]

@@Naokarma idk, i just tried firefox because someone suggested it and it runs really bad in comparison to brave, i have no idea why, i guess i also don't understand the clunky part of your comment as for me it works better than any browser i have tried.

[@AUserCAAP]

I switched to Brave from Firefox just case the Android browser

[@Naokarma]

@@5226-p1e Personally, I've had the exact opposite experience, but my "clunky" comment was more on design, etc.

[@kuryaku5906]

The IceRaven fork lets you use more extensions on mobile, abeit a lot won't work. Firefox not working at all on their android version is really awful.

[@GarryFisherProRider]

Brave Talk is one of the main reasons why I probably won't be able to quit the Brave Browser. It's a game changer to me. I don't like to have phone calls and video calls are even more awkward, so I never even bothered to use Skype or Zoom. I'm not a total recluse though and when my friend gets drunk and calls me on a friday evening, all I need to do is to open a new tab, generate and send a link, which takes him straight to my Brave Talk session on whatever browser he prefers and we're good to go. I can easily switch between voice or video call, I can stream a song from my music player or play a KZbin video on his display and if he behaves well, I can grant him permission to control it. No extra apps or plugins required, no signing up to anywhere. No wondering about which app or service can do all of this or whether it's drunk people-friendly or not.

[@throwawayaccount12345]

wow that is so cool, I've never used Brave before but damn Brave Talk sounds like a really under rated feature, definitely gotta look into it

[@alainportant6412]

Drunk people friendly

[@readifdumb]

It has streaming? Is the streaming quality good? Is Brave talks good for privacy?

[@KamiKZChines]

Brave Talk is just jitsi though, you could do that with any browser

[@readifdumb]

@@KamiKZChines cool that's it built in though I guess

[@themonkeyman2790]

The current Brave's adblock engine is based on Rust and multiple benchmarks have proven it to be slightly better than the king of ad blockers i.e uBlock Origin(both in speed and efficiency). Also by the way, the adblocker not blocking ads like on youtube, has been completely fixed now(I also had the same issue earlier).

[@5226-p1e]

yeah they constantly update the app, so long as they keep working to improve it, i don't see any reason so far to not keep using it. and a lot of the issues listed in this video of annoyances are just that, small annoyances that can easily be turned off as a feature. i disabled rewards and also disabled brave ads and i have never been whipped into any other annoyance since, and i have used this browser ever since i first discovered it, which i think was 5 years ago. i haven't been able to find anything better.

[@ZeStig]

Brave's ad-blocker took heavy inspiration from UbO iirc (Librewolf user)

[@EdwardWongHauPepeluTivruskyIV.]

yea i really like its adblocker and pop up blocker, its the only reason why i have it on my phone (makes it way easier to watch the most popular and trending anime for free). On my pc i dual boot windows 10 and linux mint (unimportant) but i use ungoogled chrome instead

[@inboxmail2053]

Exactly. u Block origin is superior.@@Syndiate__

[@zdys2yllhso45]

He seems to be a dedicated Firefox enthusiast, often nitpicking on small details that most people don't have time to bother with. I really find it funny that he gets annoyed by brave's default homepage. I mean who stares at the fucking homepage for real.

[@heroe1486]

Sometimes you still need a chromium based browser, especially for manual testing since Chrome is the default, but I've found Chromium behaving too weirdly with the dev tools, needing to constantly close them, and this issue isn't recent, that's why I prefer to use Brave

[@EricMurphyxyz]

I haven't used Brave for dev work, do you run into any issues with Brave shields?

[@heroe1486]

@@EricMurphyxyz No issue whatsoever with Brave Shields or Brave in general, I guess it once broke on i3 where you couldn't merge tabs from 2 different brave windows but the problem was also here with plain Chromium, happened 2 times. I'm often switching between Chromium brave and Firefox, the Chromium problem with the dev tools was too frustrating tho

[@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307]

@@EricMurphyxyz Whats with the Brave End of Life? according to my software security!

[@MangaGamified]

Noble answer but u should only kept it as a tool for testing, I just highly not using the vanilla version google chrome

[@angelplayz5783]

I like Brave but you're right, it needs so much work. I really hope the devs fix these issues because it's definitely better than chrome. I use LibreWolf myself for privacy browsing but Brave still needs to stick around. I just wish they would fix these annoying issues soon.

[@The-Creative-Hub]

LibreWolf for life!

[@EchoX860]

Have you been able to get sites like Netflix, HBO Max, and Peacock TV to work on libre? Paramount, Hulu and D+ all work fine.

[@firat.c]

bro you literally changed millions of settings on firefox “hardening” but you are here crying about optional features of brave.

[@anfrex3342]

Hardened Firefox is something you can never do with breave... Also, you clearly didn't watch the whole video and you're butt hurt look at 10:38.

[@D.von.N]

anything for another video. On the other hand I appreciate the explanation how the service I have never used and don't plan to, works, in just a few minutes. That gives me a good feeling I made the right choice and haven't missed anything. Never been into crypto, it is liberating.

[@chrismachabee3128]

@@D.von.N I've had some crypto training, and liked everything else you can get ripped off. If you get a wallet off the browser, it could be already made, and you fill in your credentials. So, nobody but you and the wallet creator can get access to your Doubloons. If you ever decide to do crypto, to use, or to invest, make your own wallet, it's easy. See, because say you get real lucky, get a lot of doubloons, a cursory inspection by the bad guy, might come with this one is ripe thought, and all coins are removed. What do you do when that happens? Call the police? Well you can report the theft to the fed computer cops, but they so busy investigating activity in the Dark Web and elsewhere, they will have little time for a purse snatching. In fact. Depending on how much you lost, you might come under scrutiny yourself, with the, were did you get all those tokens from, etc. So, you could go from victim to suspect. I see wallet thefts from time to time, they mostly sound like someone did not set their wallet up right, and kind of left the key in the lock, a lot of people leaving access codes someplace that when they are found, someone who knows, can open the wallets and transfer the coins to another account. You really need to be careful in the crypto world. It's like your car. you go home eve night, leave the key in the ignition, because that kind of stuff never happens in your area, one day a crook looking to do a little burgling, hits the jackpot, your car, with the keys in the ignition. It don't know easier than that. You got to be careful.

[@readifdumb]

Even the other options like Arkenfox have a lot of loop holes to jump through before getting it working - not necessarily plug and play like Brave. LibreWolf is also not up-to-date with Firefox which creates security issue. Not only that but hardening via Arkenfox/yourself, or using additional setups with LibreWolf destroy a lot of the purpose of hardening by making you more finger-printable. You'd rather just use Mullvad at that point with no setting changes, and then have everything else be on Brave, a browser that's a lot more modern and fast than Firefox or hardened Firefox equivalents.

[@cadu-wi8kt]

Yeah... I didn't think this video made much sense either

[@5226-p1e]

i never used the crypto aspects of brave, what brought me to the app was the adblocking and tracker blocking, the private tab, the background video playback feature for my phone so i can play anything running it in the background while i use other apps or even turn off my screen to save battery. but i never really got into the crypto stuff because i saw the same issues as you did with the crypto being tied to uphold and gemini as government owned and i agree that it's not really private being tied to these services. i still use brave as a browser though because the adblocking and tracker blocking, but that's it really. regardless your choice, i'm just glad people are using adblockers in general, i don't care which ones you use for whatever reasons, just so long as you are always using an adblocker of some kind i'm happy others get to feel the freedom that is to block the ads on every website out there.

[@shaykaden]

"What brought me to the app was [...] the background video playback feature for my phone." I suggest you look at newpipe, it's a youtube client (for phones) that gives you all the functions you mentioned.

[@5226-p1e]

@@shaykaden does it offer background video playback on the android version? or is there even a android version? however i guess the other issue i would have with newpipe is it's only meant for youtube, it isn't meant to work with other websites like brave is used for if you get my meaning. i mean, brave isn't just for youtube, it will work for virtually any website.

[@raisofahri5797]

​@@5226-p1eor just use revanced it's play's without any ads and unlock background play too. but if you want browser firefox have those capabilities too especially if you install add on to fix some hiccups

[@KRISTINEIRISVBRAVO]

same

[@5226-p1e]

@@raisofahri5797 the problem i have with firefox is it's a really laggy and slow browser on both my pc and my android, it's almost like it's using way to many resources or something. i have been using it for about a month, i normally use brave because the resources are far less and it just functions with a more snappy feel, firefox for whatever reason runs like dogshit, but i installed it for other reasons, for now it's second fiddle in the case something prevents brave from working properly.

[@philinnc]

Just started using Brave after muddling through with Firefox for years. Swapped back and forth with Chrome because Firefox often failed me in spectacular ways (mostly with "new" technology like U2F keys, and the inconvenience of not having PWA support), but on Android that meant web browsing was painful. Settled on Brave, but I've got a list of 20 or so changes I make on every install where I disable or workaround the annoyances listed in this video (which actually helped me find a few more, thanks Eric!). With those changes, Brave is the most usable browser I have on both desktop and mobile. NOTE: BAT is the main reason I steered clear of Brave for a long time. I thought it was at best... empty calories, at worst a potential vector for compromising my privacy. Disabling it is the first thing I do on every new Brave setup.

[@fromtheotherside1980]

I have it for my phone (Android) can you help me with the configuration?

[@100lander]

What is BAT?

[@TooSlowTube]

@@100lander BAT is a type of crypto currency, which Brave is heavily involved with. It's the one they use to tip people miniscule amounts of pseudo money, which they may never manage to collect, for agreeing to waste time looking at ads.

[@thenonsequitur]

@@100lander It's the crypto currency you get if you sign up for Brave Rewards. It's totally not worth it. I also disable Brave Rewards immediately following any Brave setup.

[@TobiasKryze]

It comes automatically with BAT disabled.

[@gmcenroe]

No one is required to sign up for Brave rewards. Firefox does not pay you either, so I don't see a basis for your complaint. The adblocker on Brave works fine for me if you set it to aggressive mode. Even when youtube complained that I was using a blocker. I turned the blocker off for a few days, then turned it on again and no more warnings from youtube..

[@jacksonmacd]

I agree. I've never considered using the crypto, and it's never been an issue. The ad blocker works fine. I really don't understand the criticism.

[@ParasAryan]

Bruh I'm using chrome with manifest v3 and unlock origin with all filters and no ads at all either on KZbin or any website.

[@WoozyCool]

When youtube complains you're using blocker, when you're using brave browser, just click the "block fingerprinting" on/off, You know at upper right, the brave shield icon shows? click on it when using youtube, click block fingerprinting to change whatever state it already was in. The page reloads on it's own, whenever setting in it's shields are changed. KZbin seems to assume you disabled blocker. If few weeks later, youtube warns you again, do the same. Also, if you use a vpn like I do, make sure you turn the in-built adblocking that vpn extensions tend to have. At least, for youtube alone. Set the youtube as allow/white listed, in vpn extension's settings.

[@gmcenroe]

@@WoozyCool Thanks for the block fingerprinting setup tip. I don't recall if I found this tip before and implemented it but just now I checked it and it was on so I must have turned it on or maybe that is the default setting for the latest Brave browser version. Anyway I never received another warning from y**tube so they must have given up on their threats. Take care.

[@Muppio]

Let's face it: we are all here to block KZbin ads specificlly.

[@QsPracticalNonsense]

A big thing you seem to always gloss over is what types of websites YOU are using. If you only ever talk about youtube then the information you are providing about websites breaking is essentially useless.

[@jazzking8380]

With all respect, your comments are all adjustable , i have a clean browser screen after channing the settings, i hope browsers like ARC or Sigma OS will be available soon on Windows. Do you have tips on other browsers like ARC or Sigma OS who are currently available on Windows??

[@TenthFir]

The pros are vers high than the cons... You can turn off most them from the settings or don't care about it... Personal KZbin/website without ads is a huge plus...

[@zdys2yllhso45]

There's a fine line between being meticulous and nitpicky. Unfortunately, it seems you lean toward the latter... It's amusing how you disdain the browser, despite its smooth performance without any hiccups. It's clear you are just a firefox fanboy and its ok.

[@ShinyVeggie]

It's a little strange video. Most of these are small nitpicks that you only have to deal with when installing brave once every few years or so (disabling said features). The only real complaint is the shields, but in the extremely rare cases that there is some problem with the website I can just quickly turn them off so it's not a big deal.

[@UrgentSnooker]

Also, it's not the problem with the Brave directly. Developers think of new ways to make ads bypass shields. Then, browser developers need to devise new ways to stop that. It's okay if these workarounds require several weeks to be rolled out, considering the multimillion-user audience.

[@mrufo2297]

I love Brave and never had any issues on PC. The only problem I've got is on the android version... It doesn't have extensions. As far as BAT, Crypto and wallet, Id never even think of using them. All the other options in settings I setup once during initial setup and that's it, its good to go.

[@Beaver.17]

I recently left Chrome for privacy reasons, and was shopping around for all the different browsers. I'm not partial to any browser, but I don't get why you would stop using something because it has features you don't like that are disabled by default. That's such a non-issue.

[@BlackOrchidcrypto]

I started using Brave a couple months ago. The main attractions that got my attention was the privacy aspect and supporting something new and innovative not to mention one of the founders was the creator of Java script yes? BAT attracted me a lot for one I love anything crypto and it was a way to utilize a token in this case Tipping and supporting content creators. I want to do all I can to promote this industry. Good point about uphold or Gemini didn't see it that way when I connected. I guess there are always trade offs. Thanks for making this content I appreciate you. 60 year old man trying to keep up.

[@thomasbayer1843]

Old man, look at my life: I'm a lot like you were.

[@akshayk467]

@EricMurphy, what about Safari's Private Relay?? is that feature comparable to Brave browser?

[@JH-pt6ih]

It's a tech company: Never believe a word they say, never trust them, don't be suckered by the personalities. It's always only a matter of time until they turn on you.

[@OH2023-cj9if]

I use pihole and NextDNS to block all the telemetry they collect.

[@Geostationary0rbit]

what version of linux are you useing? looks pretty sick with that window snapping mode.

[@Naku-SomewhereYouAreNot]

This is only my second video of yours I've seen. In both videos I've had to sit through you attempting to convince everyone you agree with everyone while you critique browsers. It's not possible to please everyone and it's frustrating to sit through you patronizing everyone who might disagree with you. Own it buddy. You're doing a good job. Even so, some people are not going to like what you say. My comment is ironically evidence of that. I don't like you being all wishy washy trying to please everyone, you therefore are unable to please everyone. Don't let it get to you. Bring the content apologetically. You're adding value, don't apologize for that.

[@JstaChillGuy]

Whenever I watch a video in Fullscreen, and alt+tab to my other monitor or a different application, it duplicates the same exact tab. I cannot click it away or close it. How do I fix this?

[@OrangeZXZ]

What i like with Brave is you can disable everything if you don't like. For the adblock i boost it and never had ads. For tor i disable it it's useless.

[@stringguy2825]

I'm not sure what the Tor browser is, do you recommend using it?

[@NoEgg4u]

I have heard that when you customize a browser, you are more easily tracked. I do not know which customizations make you unique (or somewhat unique). I believe that plug-ins should be avoided. But what about disabling the settings we saw in this video? Will web sites see your browser as being non vanilla, and be able to better track you? Tor's browser even warns you about going full screen with the browser, because you would be giving away your screen's resolution. I do not understand why a browser, designed to be private, would send any site your browsers window size? As to Firefox, I have a virtual machine, where Firefox puts recently visited sites on the home page. Firefox offers an option to delete what you do not want there. But it seems to go through your history, and ends up replacing what you deleted with the same thing. This next item, however, is more troubling: I restored my VM to a snapshot, from before I installed Firefox. Then, after I did a fresh install of Firefox, the same home page recently used links showed up. So Firefox is pulling those links from a Firefox server. And Firefox is supposed to be a privacy based web browser. Now we know that they are logging everything you do. Brave's browser seems to have sold out, and can't be trusted. They try to appear to be privacy based, and yet (as our host demonstrated) you have to jump through hoops to hopefully minimize them tracking you. And will those setting changes make sites more easily track you? Maybe I will try Vivaldi? I am not familiar with their browser. Is it stable? Is it private? Is it open source? It is compatible with the myriad of web sites out there? It would be nice to have a Tor-like browser, that simply did not share your information; that alerted you when a site wants to save cookies, or anything else related to tracking / spying, and you could choose to allow or disallow. Additionally, there should be a simple way to change your mind; to go into wherever the browser is saving your choices, so that you can make changes.

[@GrantGryczan]

> I do not understand why a browser, designed to be private, would send any site your browsers window size? The website has to know your browser's window size in order to display correctly. It's inherent to how the web works. Even if you disable JavaScript, you can still use CSS to fingerprint the display size, and the same features used to do so are necessary in order to display web pages correctly.

[@NoEgg4u]

@@GrantGryczan "The website has to know your browser's window size in order to display correctly." Why is that handled by the server? My own browser knows about my own computer (it is sending that info to the server). So since my own browser knows about my own computer, why is my own computer not working out how to display the information sent by the server? If, after my browser loads everything, I were to re-size my window, my browser figures out how to organize the information in the re-sized window. It does not involve the server. I would think that web servers have enough to do, without dealing with the above. I am not sold on the assertion that web servers need to know anyone's window size. I am not concluding anything. I am just not sold. I need more information to be convinced.

[@GrantGryczan]

@@NoEgg4u I was not referring to the server. Displaying the website properly is handled by the client, not the server. The server does not need to know the window size. But since the client does need that information, arbitrary client code can relay window size information to the server anyway. Clients need to be able to send requests to servers in order to carry out the basic functioning of most websites, and these requests can contain arbitrary information. If the client has information, it is free to include it in such a request. There's no way for a browser to judge whether the information included in a request can be used to fingerprint you or not, or whether it includes the window size. The best it can do is block common analytics and tracking endpoints entirely. And even if a browser could hypothetically enforce the inability for a request to contain the client's window size (which it can't), relaying window size information to the server can be done using CSS even with JavaScript disabled (as I mentioned in my previous comment).

[@NoEgg4u]

@@GrantGryczan "...arbitrary client code can relay window size information to the server anyway." Correct. It can. The issue is that is should not. When I run "notepad", it can tell everyone on my Outlook e-mail list that I am using notepad, and also tell them which other apps I have open. But it does not, even though it could. "Clients need to be able to send requests to servers in order to carry out the basic functioning of most websites..." That is fine. "...and these requests can contain arbitrary information." It is not arbitrary. It is specific information programmed by the browser's developers. Nothing arbitrary or random is sent. It is all pre-determined, as written into the source code of the browser. "If the client has information, it is free to include it in such a request." Yes, it is free to do so. But it should not send unnecessary information. It is free to take a snapshot of my password manager, and send that the server, too. It is free to do so, but it should not. "There's no way for a browser to judge whether the information included in a request can be used to fingerprint you or not, or whether it includes the window size." Of course the browser knows. That is its function. Of course the developers know what information is used to fingerprint you. TOR's custom Firefox browser is designed to not send out that information. So the browser developers know preciously what information fingerprints you. And, of course, Google know exactly how to fingerprint you, based on what it collect from what you browser reveals. If the folks that do the fingerprinting know what information they use for fingerprinting, then the browser developers also know. There is zero guess work. The programmers know, with exacting certainty.

[@GrantGryczan]

@@NoEgg4u I understand where you're coming from, but as an experienced web developer, I think your points only make sense with ignorance of how browsers, JavaScript, and HTTP work (and I don't blame you for that). I could explain this more easily with images or screen share, but KZbin doesn't allow images in comments. Would you be interested in discussing this over Discord? If so, my username is the same as on KZbin. I would be happy to answer some of the other questions from your original comment there too! If you don't prefer synchronous communication, I can continue explaining via comments; it will just be more time-consuming.

[@SIMULATAN]

13:20 oh my I absolutely didn't expect that 😂😂😂

[@ChiefVictor]

Made me jump a little 🤣

[@farouqstray1411]

well put in the video

[@TheSnowLeopard]

Brave also runs it's updater 24/7 even if you never actually use the browser.

[@MiraSmit]

What do you think of Dissenter Brower and Librewolf?

[@TheChadWork2001]

When Brave came out with Tor, they turned it on by default! So I got caught by security at work!

[@ichigo-op9fn]

Needed the answer for a question. Dear friend, I was using brave and mistakenly opened the brave with tor private window. And in the top left window it started connecting me and when it reached 60% I panicked and closed the window. After I read about nodes things like entry nodes who knows your Ip address, I wanted to ask if it is safe ? Or my ip is compromised and prone to hackers?

[@nicolasfiore]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 good one.

[@AshnSilvercorp]

I've considered grabbing brave just so I have a Chromium set around, but then again, most of the time this is because web pages are thinking firefox can't handle something, when in reality, they're just looking at your user agent and disabling features regardless of whether they work or not...

[@Syndiate__]

KZbin actually loads slower on Firefox than Chromium-based browsers. Why? Because they use some sort of shadow DOM API that's deprecated but is given heavy priority when it comes to Chromium browser engine support.

[@John7No]

very good summarization of why I don't use it. to add to those. All those annoyances can be disabled but not removed. eg the VPN which recently was running even though you had it disabled etc. Also the response of the team to the incident of affiliate URLs.

[@raindrops6342]

All the things you said here, they are not big issues. You can just configure it according to your preferences. But the main problem with brave that I am facing is that it feels significantly slower than chrome when starting or when opening a new tab. My computer is not that great it is i3 11th gen laptop. Although it opens websites a little faster.

[@5226-p1e]

i found this to be the opposite for my use, and my pc is kind of old now, i need to upgrade after a decade on the same hardware. but anyway i deleted chrome and just use brave, i tried out firefox because some folks in here said it functions better, but not from my findings, brave just loads so much faster and it's more snappy than all the rest and it runs on much less resources than the others. firefox for some reason runs really slow even with the little tweaks, idk, i just haven't found anything better than brave yet.

[@Ziko577]

@@5226-p1e Me neither and I'm still on Windows 7 and they cut support for updates a while ago for it. Even though the browser isn't being updated, the extensions still get updates and so does the shields. Ironically, I had to turn them off today as KZbin decided that it didn't want to load videos at all with them on and after reporting the issues, they determined it may partially to be blamed on my OS and that's hogwash as they still can push updates for the shields and extensions. I'm sorry but I just don't buy it. uBlock Origin will do the heavy lifting and I keep on watching regardless as this has happened before on another site and it got fixed. This can't continue at this point and something must change.

[@Vinicius-yl5oi]

The problem is not the browser in your case, mate. I have a decent PC now, but when I had another considerable weaker config, Brave was always better than either Chrome or Firefox.

[@rayybtw2844]

same everytime i watchh youtube its very laggy

[@godillysillybilly6024]

5:20 bro it's literally the LAW that they require your ID tf are you talking about

[@William0271]

This is actually crazy. You can turn off all of that and most is off by default. Also, I've never had any issue with Brave Shields. The whole "bloat" obsession is extremely annoying. People like you are why we can't have nice features on privacy respecting software.

[@StunningSilken]

What I don't understand is why Brave is blocking some websites without your permission.

[@s14k_00]

I've been using brave for like 4 years now, and somehow i am enjoyed that rather than using Firefox

[@moxdownful]

Love the dry humor. "your mom said we have Tor at home" and "FBI Open Up" were classic :D

[@tkenben]

The actual concept behind BAT is pretty profound. The idea is to remove the middle man, that being advertising agencies. The advertising is also not supposed to target users, and there is no user data changing hands. And TBF, you will probably never see anonymous crypto on-ramps in the US due to evolving government policy; at least not reliable ones. Though the guy makes my skin crawl because of how much he oozes ambition and sociopathy, Brendan Eich explains the brave browser idea really well in the Lex Fridman podcast episode #160.

[@throwawayaccount12345]

thanks ill watch that rn

[@alexdasliebe5391]

tkenben , your post has to be among the top 10 most useful internet comments ever. Seriously. Clear, calm, useful, well-written.

[@averdadeeumaso4003]

The problem is Uphold, its the only one available in Europe and its a 100% sc4m, they outright just take all the BAT and bl0ck the account for 0 reason.

[@danstun8567]

I don't know much about Brave as I just started using it. But You mentioned that often times sites wont work with some of the trackers and or ad blockers disabled but work with other blockers. I would have to suspect that maybe it's because Brave is working vs the others might not be blocking the tracker or ad. That's my suspicions on it. Bu again, I literately just started using it. Also, you mentioned that the blockers will work for a while then stop working till next update. This sounds like its par for the course. It's a cat and mouse game. Once one method is figured out to send ads, then the ad blocker will have to figure out a way to counter it, then the Ad company finds a new solution to get around the new block and this will keep happening, this is essentially the same way viruses and malware work.

[@VladimirPutin-p3t]

PRESEDENT DONALD J TRUMP WILL MAKE THE INTERNET GREAT AND SAFE AGAIN ❤️🇺🇲❤️🇺🇲❤️🇺🇲

[@chrisxdeboy]

What about Iridium? Any opinion on it?

[@Prophet6000]

I use Brave as a backup browser but I love Firefox due to the custom options.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Same

[@davidsyrus3157]

I use 3 separate browsers for different functions. Vivaldi for email (StartMail), Brave for YT (no ads), and Firefox for general internet searches (Google search but not Chrome) since it provides best results.

[@kdark54]

I use this on my phone to prevent ads and I have no complaints. Does a great job on basic web surfing

[@BenPerren]

As far as the ad and tracker blocker aspect you covered, I installed the TOR hookup to the browser and it's super nice. I still prefer it to actual chrome, but the BAT wallet aspects were def a pain in the butt.

[@TangomenAr]

What about Librewolf ? do you recommend ? . Well I installed and it is a disaster i Enabled DRM and skipped all song in spotify, no work for me

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Librewolf is good but requires some configuration. If you want something easier to use, Brave is fine.

[@AnalyticMinded]

When I left Firefox many years ago, I switched to Brave, and it was my go-to for a couple of years. I never really understood the complaint about the Brave rewards stuff. I just disabled all of that at the beginning. The main reason I switched to Vivaldi is that customization was very poor on Brave. Now I can't live without my vertical tabs! Yes, there's some doubt about Vivaldi's commitment to privacy, but that doesn't bother me, because I also use Librewolf when I want to be super secretive.

[@ayush-that]

Brave has vertical tabs too with the recent update.

[@heroe1486]

I mean day to day should by default be considered as "super secretive" stuff, that's the mass of infos they gather that is problematic not some shady stuff we search + brave has vertical tabs now

[@mellord83]

Brave now has vertical tabs in the latest version.

[@Filipex13]

​@@mellord83it has?

[@Syndiate__]

"I never really understood the complaint about the Brave rewards stuff" I mean it's literally enabled by default on the browser....

[@huzaifashahid2264]

for me idk why im having this problem my brave is not responding from top right like its basically gone completely unresponsive ive tried everything reinstalling clearing all the data and all but the problem keeps happening after a bit of time again im using it on macbook m1 air tho so any help would be appreciated

[@allokay3781]

I never had any issues with the Brave Adblocker, but I understand your other reasons for switching to another Browser

[@gardez-letresrapide3178]

I have been using Brave in particular for a long time, but the microphone does not work. The microphone does work in the browser app, but in the app version on your phone for example that's the annoying thing about the Brave browser, in the search bar on KZbin you can only type, but the voice recording function doesn't work and when you press it it says it's not working. But when does it work?

[@alainportant6412]

Huge permission issues

[@zufalllx]

Let me make sure i got this right... You can't be bothered to tweak a few options in brave, but you can be for Firefox. What compelling and bulletproof rational. 🙄

[@workingguy3166]

how about librewolf?

[@sebastiangonzales46]

Its just firefox but with custom settings to make it more secure and private which you can do too on firefox itself.

[@JohnDoe-bx1bw]

Firefox belongs to the century long gone and needs to be put to rest.

[@M2356U]

no

[@StunningSilken]

😭😭😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😂

[@ParasAryan]

🤣

[@spacecatboy2962]

if you open an amazon audible sample window and then shut off your computer, all the saved tabs will be gone from brave and the only window that will hound you by opening is that amazon cloud player. How do you fix that

[@playtester6635]

I have to say, Libre Wolf has been good to me. Just a hardened Firefox with some optional features. Haven't really tested properly but it feels faster than base firefox.

[@ammxr1303]

Whats about LibreWolf?

[@davidletarte214]

I mainly use hardened firefox but sometimes i'll use brave just for a change of scenery. I don't mess with the crypto stuff & it doesn't bother me. brave is also lighter and faster than firefox for me but the way i have them both configured they may as well be the same browser...

[@RUHappyATM]

While on KZbin I clicked on a "something" near an ad in the upper Right hand corner of the window. I think its an ad that brave allows. Suddenly the YT window is whited out. Now it does the same everytime my KZbin windows in Brave opens. Today found out it will reappear if I turn shields on. WTF is happening to my Brave?

[@louiscypher6919]

"People watching this channel are not normal people" - love it. ♥️😁

[@EmperorMingg]

I use Brave as my daily, and my only real contention with it is that for a very very minor amount of sites with fucked cookie banners and settings, sometimes I can’t accept or reject, sometimes the banner won’t display at all so I have to log in on a different browser altogether which defeats the purpose.

[@alyuxmc]

at least it isn't opera gx

[@abcxyz-bq2cc]

I just f****** learned about it I'm sorry for anybody in China watching my p word addiction on the downward spiral I'm pretty sure they stopped spying on me buy now the funniest thing is that I Googled the square 500 times before I learned that

[@madcowusa4277]

Just uninstalled Brave from my phone as it started letting KZbin ads get through. OMFG, the annoyance was off the charts. I drive a lot and listen to youtube lectures and such, but with constant ads, it was becoming dangerous having to constantly look at the phone to hit "skip." I have no idea how normies use KZbin with such annoying ads every couple of minutes. Not sure what to do, but am using Bitchute and Odysee more.

[@Wannes_]

did you update Brave ? because that usually sorts it when ads start popping up again I only see the ads creators are putting in themselves

[@madcowusa4277]

I reinstalled Brave and all is well again - zero KZbin ads on my phone, or any ads at all. No issues for weeks now. Fingers crossed.@@Wannes_

[@alainportant6412]

You messed up, I have never had any issues with mobile brave and KZbin ads

[@purpleglitter2600]

@@alainportant6412 Ah yes, people CAN'T be having different experiences from me. Therefore, they MUST have screwed up, or be lying.

[@alainportant6412]

​@@purpleglitter2600 Yes. This is technology, not a trip to Italy. There's no "different experiences" to be had. There's just "working" and "not working" and I'm telling you mobile Brave blocks ads, so this guy either didn't update his browser or otherwise messed up in some other capacity.

[@kiillabytez]

Never trust anything "out of the box." ALWAYS use established tools.

[@zbjz]

I'm sticking with Chromium after following your Firefox custom css tutorial and then having it all revert back with the first browser update

[@EricMurphyxyz]

It is annoying that Firefox breaks the CSS some times but it usually doesn't happen that often

[@mchobbit2951]

So this is still an issue? I switched away from it because every update broke it nearly a decade ago. With the way people are praising it, I figured that that was no longer an issue.

[@devillspdr]

why not use tor then since it has more privacy ? and drawbacks ?

[@soulaesthete8563]

I stopped using Brave because it kept freezing up. I didn't care anything about the crypto part.

[@JohnUllrey]

Used the TOR browser to try it out a year or so ago, and after than my router started getting heavily scanned and lots of exploit attempts were made. I don't think that was a coincidence.

[@Syndiate__]

Um what the hell do you mean by that

[@JohnUllrey]

@@Syndiate__ I think after I connected the first time my IP was targeted. Not sure if I was a node or not, but it really seemed like hackers are watching for new IPs connecting to TOR.

[@Syndiate__]

@@JohnUllrey Ok well can you give some examples of "hackers targeting the router"

[@JohnUllrey]

@@Syndiate__ It was probably two years ago, and i don't remember the specific exploit attempts. I definitely saw a lot of attempts in my router logs, and I don't think it was a coincidence that I had just tried out the TOR browser for the first time.

[@Syndiate__]

@@JohnUllrey What does it actually say in the router logs that would indicate a hacking attempt

[@SEGHIIR]

What annoys me about brave is the fact that the browser has enabled sposorized images by default.

[@Intrader-ol4od]

It doesn't annoy me. They have to monetize in some way, and if it is only at the home page, for me that's welcome, I prefer that. It's a good browser and it's for free..

[@MrRa1nes]

DistroTube: Brave Browser And Search Engine Keep Getting Better Eric on the same day: hell no to Brave!

[@5226-p1e]

what's distrotube?

[@kennethjohnson4280]

the fist quarter of your video was you defending making the video, then the next half was you droning on and on and on about the Brave rewards that litterally no one uses. Then you whined about optional features of Brave and ultimatly never told us what your highness has blessed as the best browser. This is a quarter hour I will never get back.

[@GHNeko]

I use Brave as a back up option, but primary option is Firefox because Chromium dominates the market and I don't want to contribute that as we've seen Google try to bully everyone with manifest v3 nonsense and probably wasnt expecting the backlash, but if they didn't care at all, basically all chromium browsers with only a few exceptions (like brave) would be able to deal with having one of the most important ad/privacy addons staying intact.

[@5226-p1e]

manifest v3 nonsense? i have been using brave for years, what is this manifest V3 stuff?

[@Syndiate__]

@@5226-p1e Manifest V3 is something that is going to happen in all Chromium-based browsers, and is a protocol for extensions that disables a plethora of features, including background scripts, which pretty much kill existing ad blockers.

[@whoanelly-]

brave on mobile devices. Edge/Firefox on desktop

[@AzureRT456]

I like what Brave has for privacy options, but I definitely don't like its crypto aspects (even if it's disabled by default). I would prefer Firefox more if I wanted privacy but the mobile version sucks ass and prefer Vivaldi more (even if it means not having extensions). Oh well.

[@zdys2yllhso45]

its called nitpicking. You can just turn the crypto stuff off and move forward.

[@DeaFX]

If you want to use the crypto feature. Wich site is better, Uphold or Gemini?

[@averdadeeumaso4003]

Uphold st3als everything and bl0cks accounts arbitrarily and has 0 support, its a sc4m basically. If you're in the US you can try Gemini but I'm not sure if its not a sc4m

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

I had to rip off the band-aid recently and switched to librewolf. I love brave but manifest v3 is going to pretty much make it worthless so I decided to deal with it sooner rather than later. I wish more of the internet was simply text based.

[@HalJarrett]

Worthless? Their shields are baked into the browser. MV3 won’t have bearings on it.

[@HoldLeadersAccountable]

Is Safari a great browser?

[@Hawk_112]

its better than chrome but still not great as its closed source and owned by big tech ( apple )

[@CoasterMan13Official]

No. Not even close.

[@ParasAryan]

Another internet explorer in making 🥲

[@sigillinux]

braves a good one but yeah not my cup of tea... I use waterfox lol which I know I know system1 blah blah blah.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

I like waterfox too, I don't care about system1

[@roshankhetpal9623]

But there is an issue with brave that I'm facing right now. I just started using brave. And whenever i close the browser all the google accounts that I've logged in, automatically get logged out. And now this annoying part of logging in again is stopping me to use this browser on daily basis. If you have any suggestion or solution to this problem, then please reply.

[@charname2077]

Lmao at the right time when dt dropped his brave video lol

[@EricMurphyxyz]

And I basically have the opposite opinion from him lol

[@ferguszade5594]

Brave is so totally overrated. UBlock Origin coupled with Chrome, Edge etc is far superior.

[@CeZZeR88]

Not anymore lmao. Brave blocks the ads on KZbin compared to Edge and Chrome since ublock origin doesn't do it anymore.

[@ParasAryan]

​​@@CeZZeR88it does. I'm using chrome + unblock. Update your extension please

[@pixelstriko1642]

uBlock Origin is so good at blocking ads I pretty much forgot they exist until I stumbled on this video

[@drshepherd6567]

Also youtube and other websites try to circumwent add blockers, so when they break add blocker Brave has to update their addblocker to work again. Its like a back and forth and just normal, I think. But correct me if I am wrong.

[@plebisMaximus]

I started using it when it was pretty new because of the built-in adblocker, but had the same issues you have with it and I'm pretty vehemently against this centralized crypto oxymoron shit they do, not to mention the fact using a Chromium based browser is basically just begging for the internet to stop being free. Brave isn't a very good browser and never really was, Firefox is a much better every day browser and when you do need privacy and security, something like Tor or even Librewolf do it better than Brave too. It just doesn't really have a place.

[@heroe1486]

You may not like it for crypto philosophical reasons but it's a really good browser, and that's also the point of the video, everything that could be annoying can be disabled in litteraly 30 seconds. Vanilla Firefox isn't any better as a day to day browser, and they have their dramas too. And Tor isn't at all a day to day browser for the majority of people, it's a completely different use case. Just looks like an emotional answer to me.

[@plebisMaximus]

@@heroe1486 I've had much less issues using Firefox. Adblocker works all the time, personally I prefer the UI and it eats less resources. Much better browser for my uses. I also didn't say Tor was a good every day browser, just that it's infinitely better if what you need is as close to uncompromising privacy as you can get on the internet. It's a highly emotional answer and I'll happily admit that. I don't like the idea of Google's monopoly growing even deeper roots by giving them 100% of the browser market on top of their domination of search engines and video sharing. The internet is made to be free by design, you're just killing it by allowing one company to control it to this extent.

[@5226-p1e]

@@plebisMaximus i think that was just given as a popular choice though, because people are stupid lol, i mean you really don't have to use google even if that's there for you to use, it's still a choice that you make to use it or not. you can use any search engine you want using brave, that is just one of the more popular choices for the normies who are the stupid users i was talking about lol, i say stupid because most people can't seem to function without google because they don't know of any other browser because they have always used google and without it they get frustrated and stop using the app because they are stupid and don't understand technology lol. i tried to get my dad to use a privacy browser for years, and he didn't budge until one unfortunate day when he was scammed by his Microsoft edge browser through ads that the browser doesn't block by default, he told me, he doesn't like brave because it doesn't have all the bells and whistles that edge had and that he would have to log into everything which is apparently a pain in the ass and is almost impossible for him to be expected to do with a new browser lol, anyway he was scammed and that's the only thing that got him to think for himself, my dad is an example of stupid normies, i love my dad, but he can be very stupid with some of the decisions he makes out of convenience lead to him being scammed, simply because he was too ignorant and uncapable of making a simple switch of his browser. normies like the easy route where they don't have to think very much, and this is why they mostly use google search engine because it's what they are most used to using, and they will use it even when they have other options because of the instant features it offers outside the others lol.

[@anonymousinfinido2540]

@@plebisMaximus it doesn't just use cromium, it uses a separate privacy oriented fork of it.

[@anonymousinfinido2540]

@@5226-p1e which search engine do you recommend.

[@sandeepurankar]

Which Linux distro are you using?

[@ripper5941]

Brave is perfect for normies who don't care about their privacy, however there are more customisable and secure options for pros out there

[@anonymousinfinido2540]

brave not good for privacy?, can you back up the claim.

[@anonymousinfinido2540]

care to baclup claims.

[@chibiichen]

What do you recommend using on Android?

[@XyukonR]

I gave up on Brave a while ago and moved to Vivaldi. I got tired of Brave's crypto focus. Just wanted a browser that focused on the browsing experience. Vivaldi has been great.

[@alainportant6412]

Stop acting out like gay man. Brave has always been crypto focused, it was funded by an ICO in the first place.

[@jason71how]

If you don't like the crypto staff, you don't have to use the feature.

[@nachiketrazdan7537]

About the ads on youtube, I have not seen any ads on KZbin for about 4 years apart from some time banner ads!

[@unknownnuser2000]

Yeah but brave is one of the best on smartphone, on pc hardened firefox is the bwst but on the phone idk whats better than brave

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Is there an app version of Brave??

[@henryomad]

You can't withdraw BAT without KYC - Shows exactly where the devs are at. Worthless project. It's easy to add a couple of plugins to get exactly the same security. Also, other people manage to issue tokens without forcing any particular exchange (and KYC) on anyone.

[@vanodon2257]

Brave is extremely privacy invasive*

[@Fr_g]

sources?

[@ParasAryan]

​@@Fr_gthey caught selling data to AI training model company and later apologized

[@Andres64B]

I don't know what you were doing with Brave and KZbin, but I use them both and I can't tell you the last time I saw an ad on KZbin.

[@sakib8599]

Funny reasons😂

[@PaulyDownUnder]

Been using Brave for a year or two, but have issue where some webpages don't load and login pop-ups are blocked. I can't figure out how to allow a pop-up to display so have to use a different browser to do that one thing, very annoying! Other than that, its fast and seems to block ads pretty good.

[@JohnSmith-vh6ew]

I also stopped using Brave after using it for years. It wasn't the little annoyances though. Those were all fine for me tbh even though there was a lot of pointless annoying shit I can understand why it's there, it helps the developers and it doesn't compromise the experience as long as you can disable them. The reason for me was website incompatibility and inconsistency. Lots of somewhat less frequently used sites were not quite working as intended that have no issue on pure chromium. Even if you discount the shields issues since shields is easy to disable there are still just enough unexpected site behaviors that make me not want to use Brave anymore. I still recommend Brave for normal users though as it's the "lesser of multiple evils" and doesn't require manual updates like pure chromium does.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Which sites broke? I was thinking of getting brave....

[@JohnSmith-vh6ew]

@@DrawciaGleam02 Can't remember, just try it and see for yourself. If you do encounter issues remember to try disabling brave shields first because that's the cause of most of the issues. Also, it's fairly trivial to switch to another browser if you change your mind. At the very most you lose an hour of reinstalling and configuring browser extensions.