Eru Iluvatar Origins - The Destroyer And Creator Of The Tolkien Universe, The God Entity - Explored

[@soulreaver1983]

Another fantastic video many thanks your channel is absolutely outstanding 😎👍👍👍👍

[@briandeluca4318]

No one knows what he really looks like but he is the creator and the end.

[@soulreaver1983]

@@briandeluca4318 😎👍

[@zazzenfuk]

clickbait

[@MMAtiasUFC2]

where is the guy from the thumbnail standing on, my dude?

[@oceanberserker]

Just curious. If we're talking about the analog for God in the Tolkienverse, why does the picture in the video thumbnail look like freakin' Cthulhu?

[@Fallingtower969]

It should be Azathoth

[@fmpentertainmentmedley3338]

I agree

[@wayneguillen4232]

Click bait

[@Nob911]

Shhh

[@whynot1548]

It's called lazy clickbait lol. He should've chosen a Celestial looking figure

[@Looshmal]

4:37 the Numenorians killed when Eru reshaped Arda weren’t “innocent”. They had turned to Morgoth worship under Al-Farazan, guided by Sauron. The Faithful Numenorian’s left with High King Elendil and were specifically saved by Eru.

[@Looshmal]

@Morgan Allen It doesn’t say anything about 5 year olds getting killed, so you can as easily imagine Elendil, Isildur and the other Faithful taking them… or not. As to those that might’ve “gone along to get along” , well tough noogies. By going along with evil, you’re taking the side of evil and deserve condemnation, vis-à-vis the Vichy French in WW 2. However the case may be that there were innocents on Numenor when Eru reshaped Arda and that is in line with a Judeo-Christian view of God. Big God Theology Time: If Eru created all then it is within His Divine Right to take Life when it aligns with His plan. Think of all the Canaanite children and those that went along with the rulers of Jericho and the other cities razed by Joshua’s army or the Philistines by David. These were sanctioned by God for a purpose and we cannot hold Him to blame because we aren’t Him. We are the creatures, He is the Creator, that is the order of things. Eru operates along the same lines. It’s a hard thing to wrap your heart around without becoming bitter and despondent, but that’s the struggle of Catholicism; learning that obedience and surrender is the first principle to master. Hope this helps!

[@ryanlaurie8733]

A small correction, the last king of Numenor was Ar-Pharazôn. Al-Farazan seems to be an island near Saudi Arabia lol

[@Looshmal]

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[@eminentbishop1325]

@@Looshmal and they're wrong. Nothing is above questioning. Especially the creator

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

@@eminentbishop1325 why?

[@logicplague]

"Innocent" is a strong word to throw around Numenor at that time, they were literally performing human sacrifices to Morgoth.

[@therongjr]

"The Silmarillion" mostly chronicles the First Age, and the Years of the Lamps and Years of the Trees before it. The Second Age is only addressed in the two short chapters after the Quenta Silmarillion proper.

[@Ingolenuru]

Thank you. So many inaccuracies and fallacies in this video.

[@ZakhadWOW]

and those last 2 books are the only material the new series is apparently authorized to use, being given a tiny bit of leeway to introduce us to the First age wlven wars and the glimpse of Valinor

[@JoshTheHoffman]

@@ZakhadWOW Yes amazon only bought the rights to the fellowship, The two towers, The return of the king, The Hobbit and the Appendices which from what I gather are like not very important foot notes.

[@AngmarCosplay]

Came here for this

[@SWOTHDRA]

The lamps is before the trees.....

[@jamiewillis7093]

Every time I see a video discussing the history of the world Tolkien created my head has never been able to successfully wrap around fact that one man created all this, as some one who wants to get into writing comics (I understand comics and novels are totally different but they share a lot of similarities when creating stories) and honestly Tolkien’s lore intimidates the heck out of me and is honestly a major reason why it’s taken many years to even consider getting into Comics because next to Tolkien I just felt inadequate, to add context my dream is to be the Tolkien of comics, infact a love child of Tolkien and frank herbert is what I’m going for (I know I know that’s ambitious as hell will probably crash and burn in my attempt but atleast then I can say I’ve tried I guess

[@SolNaciente13]

DO YOVR THING. DO YOV. BE VNIQVE. NEUER STOP LEARNING AND APPLYING WHATEUER YOV MASTER. 😌

[@thegametroll6264]

I too would like to do the same thing. It is INTIMIDATING but it's rewarding knowing you do what you like. What terrifies me is accidentally taking after someone else's work but with the vivid imagination I have I don't think I will have a problem with that.

[@nickbriggs8059]

Don’t let the fire of your dreams die! I mean in all fairness your comparing yourself to one of the most successful fantasy authors to ever live! Don’t put that much pressure on yourself. But I do understand what you mean. Just for fun I like to fabricate fictional worlds along w languages and geographies religions and every aspect of a society and I get the same inadequate feeling you seem to get when you look at Previous works from others. But don’t give up at all. I’d read something you wrote. Just for the simple fact I love reading and taking an adventure into someone else’s mind.

[@roddo1955]

Just do it. Tolkien was inspired by catholicism and European myths. You are inspired in turn by Tolkien so why stop yourself. Do what you love! Surely you don't think that you need to reach the same success as Tolkien in order to write what you have in your mind. Just do it. And just a word of advice; do it. But tell nobody. When it comes to creativity you cannot be swayed by outside influences and opinions; you have your own doubts to tackle, as it is.

[@jameskirk3]

Don't forget, we have the benefit of viewing his works as having been complete. It started about 1910, and wasn't done until 60+ years later, and he wrote his entire life. The thing to do is to just get it written down. Many fantasy series have more content, but they didn't exist before Tolkiens, at least not outside of our world.

[@brotheralaric7177]

I guess if we compare D&D actual version and Tolkien unvierse, Eru Illuvatar would be comparable to Ao, an Overgod, who rarely intervene and let the other gods deals with the universe

[@maxxor-overworldhero6730]

I wouldn't say "rarely" intervenes, but you're pretty much correct.

[@JoaoMariaNunes]

Melkor only was called by Morgoth after stealing the Silmarils from Faenor

[@SWOTHDRA]

Feanor came up with that word, indeed

[@themightypen1530]

If you read carefully it is indeed The Ring that is the cause of Gollum's demise. The Ring curses Gollum and it tells him (through Frodo, yet not in his voice) that if Gollum should ever touch it again that he will be cast in to the fire himself. Frodo doesn't destroy The Ring, Gollum doesn't, neither even does Eru (although obviously it was part of his plan), in the end the end The Ring destroys itself.

[@StopFear]

So, the ring committed suicide? Why did it waste all this time existing just to jump into the lava?

[@JoshTheHoffman]

@@StopFear Homie the ring doesn't have legs not like it could have jumped out of his hands. Gollum swore on the ring to do what Frodo said and if he betrayed that word the Ring would curse him and doom him. He betrayed his word the curse killed him he was just coincidentally took the ring with him. Also the Ring caused the death of many many people and created the Nazgul. I wouldn't say it wasted what time it did have.

[@zo5679]

@@JoshTheHoffman imagine if the ring having leg. The book/show would be called the leg of the ring 😂😂😂

[@JoshTheHoffman]

@@zo5679 That is funny right there. Sam: "Throw it into the fire! Destroy it!" Frodo: *Strokes its thigh* "No it's mine" 🤣🤣

[@seekingabsolution1907]

You're referring to the curse pronounced by Frodo upon Gollum that he should be cast into the fires if he touch him again?

[@Hoogalindo]

Comparing Eru to Cthulhu is disgusting. The sheer fucking disrespect for Tolkien.

[@Ali-bu6lo]

Silmarillion mostly accounts the events of the first age and before, there are small parts about the second age. i think Numenoureans were far from innocent. The majority were Morgath worshipers and participated in human sacrifice of those faithful among them to Eru. Amazon doesn't have the rights to the Silmarillion, the Book of the lost tales or anything beyond the LoTR trilogy and the Hobbit, the only material they have from the second age is the appendices of Return of the King.

[@JudoMateo]

Numenoreans had a long tradition of being faithful, virtuous people until the end when Anatar corrupted the minds of the proud among them. The ones drowned as you stated weren’t innocent. I’d guess by the thumbnail, and this mischaracterization the writer has a personal beef with the Biblical God.

[@robertblume2951]

They don't have the rights to LoTR or the Hobbit either.

[@aceofspadez131]

It is said that eru already knew of yavannas discord and had already created the ents to protect the trees and he simply revealed it to her to quell her troubles Also whats with the thumbnail eru is not cthulhu lol

[@justinwillingale2086]

Gandalf does exist during The Rings of Power's timeline under the name Olórin) of the second age. He goes by the name Gandalf in the third age.

[@dowogenesthedog7186]

No he doesn't. He moves to Middle Earth in the 3rd Age. He was called Olorin before that.

[@justinwillingale2086]

@@dowogenesthedog7186 so you are saying the producers won’t try and do that

[@justinwillingale2086]

@@dowogenesthedog7186 they are going to tie him into this timeline somehow

[@flowtrotters12230]

Eru the petty god🙄🙄 always interferring😂😂

[@hunterthewerewolf]

If the stranger from the comet is Iluvatar I foresee massive riots of Tolkien fans and Amazon buildings being set alight like the Uruks and Dunlendings did to the villages of Rohan.

[@Buelford]

The rings of power should be ignored and we should all pretend like it doesn't exist. How dare they destroy such an amazing lore with such bad writing.

[@oceanberserker]

AGREED!

[@mauriciocrispimsanchesesil6480]

But the lore was destroyed? Is still there in the books... The original material

[@oceanberserker]

@@mauriciocrispimsanchesesil6480 Not in the most literal sense, no. But remember that visual media is the primary source where people get their information from. And for those who've never read the books or even seen any of the movies, the dreck that Amazon is attempting to peddle to the masses will likely be most people's first exposure to Tolkien's works and it's so bad you can only call it Tolkien in name only. And BARELY at that.

[@devinmedina5986]

Nah

[@Buelford]

@@oceanberserker precisely

[@paulmajano]

Ah so it’s Amazon Prime the destroyer got it 🤣

[@raurmanproductions3438]

That orc in the beggining is not talking about Eru. He is referring to Sauron and it's pretty damn obvious if you're following the movie.

[@Adamant1993]

Personally, I think the reason Aru can directly interfere with the Tolkien Universe. The Abrahamic God gifted the creatures of the Earth with Freewill, and so he had revoked his privilege of direct influence. As far as I know, freewill wasn't one of Aru's gifts, leaving Aru the option to interfere directly if needed. If you ask me, Aru has more forethought than God did.

[@rossdiggle]

Who says eru didn't create the eagles? They were the thought of manwe and yavanna during the music, not created afterwards on area like the ents and dwarves

[@lordschnitzel7961]

Please. Make a Video about Ancalagon the Black. The biggest and strongest of Tolkiens Dragons by far. He makes Smaug Look like a tiny Bat.

[@adamplentl5588]

There's just not a lot to make a video about.

[@lordschnitzel7961]

@@adamplentl5588 it is. Out of all the Dragons of Middle earth, he has the 3rd biggest Lore

[@adamplentl5588]

@@lordschnitzel7961 he's only mentioned 3 times in all of Tolkien's writing.

[@adamplentl5588]

@@lordschnitzel7961 literally less than 50 words was ever written about Ancalagon.

[@lordschnitzel7961]

@@adamplentl5588 Well. He literally was Morgoths biggest weapon. And the way he finally was taken out was just epic. He was the Alpha Dragon. A Dragon with the Power that rivals gods. Even the Maiar were kinda scared.

[@Lasershadow]

I doubt the Stranger is Eru Iluvatar. The Stranger is very likely to be Gandalf. His appearance and interaction with the Hobbits would explain his love and fascination with them. Plus this show is taking certain liberties with the canon already at the start. So instead of appearing by boat from the Undying Lands he comes to be among the Hobbits when he first arrives in Middle Earth.

[@ithikussssukihti406]

Gandalf doesn't show up until the 3rd age, knowing his mission to advise the leaders of men in the fight against the servant of Morgoth. At least within the writings, they couuuld be mixing it up that much for a curve ball though.

[@alexchism5192]

@@ithikussssukihti406 you are absolutely right, that said Amazon has already taken it upon themselves to shit all over the lore so it wouldn't surprise me at all if it's Gandalf just because of how little they actually care.

[@pelicanosanguinario8532]

Is Tom Bombadil. No doubt

[@karlaldridge4848]

@@pelicanosanguinario8532 Tom is older than the first raindrop or sunrise. It can’t be him.

[@pelicanosanguinario8532]

@@karlaldridge4848 yeah, but it's Amazon they are more than capable to do it. And... I think it would be very funny

[@Marcustheseer]

very wel put together i love the story.

[@edwardcobb9677]

Why is this Goddamn Cthulhu monstrosity on a thumbnail summarizing the most pure and powerful being in the Tolkien Legendarium?

[@p-leif630]

Click bait it worked but I would have loved a darker undertone

[@johnathanmartin1504]

I don't see how a being that considers death a gift could be considered pure.

[@edwardcobb9677]

@@johnathanmartin1504 I guess that depends on how you see things, because it most definitely is in many instances.

[@imaloser5689]

@@johnathanmartin1504 Because they have a soul that persists.

[@andrewadams8601]

@@johnathanmartin1504 Spoken like a true Numenorian

[@johnlynch575]

5:28 Correction= Gollum destroyed it by accident, Frodo, was slipping...in his conviction to destroy it. Fortunately, Gollum was on hand to bite his finger off, and dance off the cliff in victory, ultimately ending both his precious's and his existence. He died in a river of lava with a smile on his face, but at least He had His Precious.

[@XAE.A12]

Morgoth and Sauron legit chucked a Frankenstein on all middle earth

[@hosstyle4926]

Great video. No one cares what the “Rings of power” come up with.

[@JICanizares]

Pronunciation sidenote re Ainulindalë and Aulë- the ë (with diaeresis) indicates the articulation of the vowel e and is not silent

[@KipIngram]

Of course when the orc referred to "the One" he wasn't talking about Eru. He was talking about either Sauron or Melkor (at times Sauron identified Melkor as the most powerful entity in the universe). My bet is that by the time of The Hobbit Sauron was taking that role onto himself, but... I'm unsure.

[@theocox2839]

In finnish mythology there is a god named ilumatar.

[@richmondlandersenfells2238]

I don't think Numenor was innocent at all at some point! 💀

[@sdtqwe4ty7742]

Wouldn't Gandalf simply drifted to undying lands and make preparations once more to enter into middle earth(e.g. get a weak human like body is all I know. Saurman is a Maier like Gandalf equal in at least some class of power and yet became White only after Eru's interference. It's described that he went through an experience so supposedly he's stronger in some regard. )? Obviously he doesn't have time to take a boat ride to say the least so he was 'resurrected'. 21:00 took the undying lands beyond the circles of the earth? There are plenty of lore videos that talk about humans reaching the undying lands by boat and even having the valiar step in and blow their sails.

[@jonathonfrazier6622]

Eh while they didn't know much, Men in the North West seemed to have a vague concept of an all powerful monotheistic god. Sam wise cried out " God help us" whilst in Mordor.

[@IntentionalGains]

I'll never watch the Rings of Power until an uncorrupted Morgoth free version comes about.

[@wellonable]

Numenor is directly inspired by and more closely related to platos account of Atlantis, rather than the noah story, tolkien said this himself

[@seekingabsolution1907]

4:42 "innocent" is a pretty heroic assumption given they'd fallen to brutal tyranny, oppression, and imperialism of foreign lands (this is where the black numenoreans come from, they're the numenorean equivalent of american colonists and they all worship Sauron) and human sacrifice to Morgoth, whilst the faithful were explicitly spared and went on to found Gondor and Arnor. Few people would have shed a tear if, in the middle of the 1800's at the height of its imperial depravity, an asteroid had Annihilated the Island of Great Britain from existence and the only thing that survived was the levelers and the British Communist Party.

[@davoid0716]

wish you were the writer of Rings of Power

[@NebMunb]

The stranger is Glorfindel reborn and sent to by the Valar to fight Sauron in the TA

[@joaopedromarquesini1792]

He doesn't have the ears... And he has a beard...

[@ralphesparson360]

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[@PACR66]

17:54 When the orc mentions "The One" I always thought he refered The One Ring, or rather The Master of The One Ring.

[@beevang219]

Immortality Transcendence Creating life Omnipotence Omniscience Omniprescence

[@oldchannel_MoM]

This is an almost perfect video except that the Rings of Power is mentioned. It has nothing to do with anything Tolkien wrote, Amazon simply stole the name of Tolkien along with a few canon names and desecrated the Legendarium.

[@CookedAF2]

One who would stand in defense of heaven may he himself not rebel against heaven.

[@cobaltprime9467]

Ah yes, the allegory for the Christian God is best visualized by Cthulhu. What?

[@waltonsmith7210]

"slayed by Durin's Bane." The word you meant to say was "slain."

[@Master_Blackthorne]

Pronounced "TOL-keen," not "kin."

[@ShadowWizard123]

Petition to add LOTR to the Chthulu Mythos asap

[@wbrennan2253]

I will have to find the reference. I seem to recalls that translated to Quenya, Numenor becomes Atalanta. A heck of a build up to a pun. Sindarin?

[@robertjv]

It was physics to blame for Gollums tripping

[@MMAtiasUFC2]

where is the guy from the thumbnail standing on, my dude?

[@graytree315]

Promoting Rings of power which are a perversion of Tolkien's work whilst talking about ultimate creator and good in said work is truly the hight which i thought we couldn't reach. But here we are. If someone desecrates the grave and work of a person you cared about and respected, you shouldn't, under any excuse, endorse the person who did it. It boggels my mind that anyone can justify it in their own head.

[@rodrigorodriguez6332]

Snowflake

[@johnnycage112]

God!

[@universalflamethrower6342]

Numenor was not innocent their transgressions were many, human sacrifice and seeking eternal life are mortal sins. Numenor uses themes of biblical stories Atlantis, Egypt, Babel and the Ancient Israelites, all transgressed all were judged. It is no allegory, it is the mechanics of the moral world of the Bible which is used, the Old Gods also fit into this because the Old Gods also fit into the Bible. Tolkien knew the backstory of the Bible as he knew the backstory of earth. LOTR works because Tolkien adheres to these backstories. Even the incarnation is present in the Legendarium 11:16.

[@Boxman-GG]

We should refer to him as the prime deity that sounds better they use terms like high elf’s to describe more then one but since the one god is one he shouldn’t have the same sir title

[@vidarr5713]

Calling the Numenorians innocent isn't accurate (except for Elendil and the Faithful). They worshiped Morgoth and practiced human sacrifice, so I'd say they had it coming.

[@1977rodi]

Excellent work. Love this video! Congratutions and thanks for your dedication!

[@mickwayne3398]

Ow-lay not "owl" for Aule(with e-diaresis)

[@DS-er4ng]

"The One" by the orc in the Hobbit movies refers to Morgoth, not Eru.

[@rcredmon]

This video is the music of the redundant speech. How many times can you repeat yourself to make the video longer?

[@user-Demis15]

Fantastic 😊🥇

[@CookedAF2]

You're 100% wrong morgoth did not have the power to create life more goth did not have the power to love only the power to corrupt and twist and make evil.

[@barrycardiss4043]

How can someone so knowledgeable and eloquent not be angry or pulling your hair out over Amazon butchering Tolkien's legacy ??

[@FRAKKKA]

Galadriel would knock it out

[@prakash1691]

The man from sky is Gandalf the grey

[@sirloin869]

Amazing hwyte magical space jesus,who is also hwyte, bruh,actually...

[@funkyboy_22]

What an ugly thumbnail for what is otherwise Tolkien's most wonderful and beautiful character. That's something befitting a cosmic horror setting and is irrelevant to Tolkien's mythos.

[@himerosTheGod]

A brilliant man however still a man of his times.

[@doubleplusdanny]

Would you expect him to be a man from another time?

[@AngmarCosplay]

You have the majority correct, but many minor details are incorrect

[@waltonsmith7210]

I dont think his cosmology is quite as christian as everyone seems to think it is. I mean it is, but just barely. It strikes me as a christian work written by a guy who really admired pagans and paganism.

[@bbob288]

It draws a lot more similarities with Hinduism: Eru is Brahman (the singular vibration OM) and the valar and other gods are all the other gods of Hinduism In LOTR it even says they sing (vibration) the universe into creation yet all this is contained within Eru. This is the same as Hinduism, non of this is in Christianity. Although if you go deeper into Christianity you find that it is very similar to Hinduism (angles with harps, vibration, god as singular one...) Hinduism is the older one. I’m sure Tolkien being a scholar knew all this

[@forwardtsender8573]

And I doubt he thought much of it. No evidence AFAIK of any significant Hindu influences in Tolkien's life.

[@michaelransom5841]

wait.... scientists in a lab literally created matter from nothing this last spring... so are humans god now???

[@chrishumpert608]

I'm sure they didn't

[@jamesk1868]

I don't even have to look into what you said and know they definitely did not lol

[@michaelransom5841]

@@jamesk1868 A theory first proposed nearly 70 years ago by Julian Schwinger, one of the founders of quantum field theory, stated that if you apply a massive enough electrical field to a region of space that is completely empty, that space’s quantum field will seize some of this electrical energy and create particle-antiparticle pairs from nothingness. Back in January, University of Manchester scientists were working on the conduction of “valence electrons,” essentially trying to get all classes of electrons to join the flow by tinkering with graphene. Although this was not the goal of the experiment, in the process of conducting this research, the strength of the electric fields they created were sufficiently strong that it crossed this threshold and enabled the spontaneous creation of particle-antiparticle pairs from nothing at all. This proved that Schwinger's hypothesis was correct, and that creating matter from nothing is indeed possible.

[@michaelransom5841]

@@chrishumpert608 A theory first proposed nearly 70 years ago by Julian Schwinger, one of the founders of quantum field theory, stated that if you apply a massive enough electrical field to a region of space that is completely empty, that space’s quantum field will seize some of this electrical energy and create particle-antiparticle pairs from nothingness. Back in January, University of Manchester scientists were working on the conduction of “valence electrons,” essentially trying to get all classes of electrons to join the flow by tinkering with graphene. Although this was not the goal of the experiment, in the process of conducting this research, the strength of the electric fields they created were sufficiently strong that it crossed this threshold and enabled the spontaneous creation of particle-antiparticle pairs from nothing at all. This proved that Schwinger's hypothesis was correct, and that creating matter from nothing is indeed possible.

[@xjaysonzx]

He's not God-like, He is God.

[@djjdjdbdjsj5353]

Did he create the void beyond Eä?

[@xjaysonzx]

@@djjdjdbdjsj5353 Yes.

[@djjdjdbdjsj5353]

@@xjaysonzx Is there any evidence? Also do you think that Eru exists beyond the timeless halls and the non-existence which melkor was sent to?

[@xjaysonzx]

@@djjdjdbdjsj5353 He oversees all, including the realm of nothingness where Morgoth was sent to. He oversees, but is not there.

[@djjdjdbdjsj5353]

@@xjaysonzx Did he create it? Does he have power over it? Can he destroy it?

[@alextanner2218]

Disliking this video because of the constant adverts..so annoying

[@dlseller]

I an constantly amused by how much theists are blind to the Problem of Evil. JRRT copied and pasted it from christianity into LOTR without even realizing it. Either Eru is completely incompetent or he is the most evil character in all of LOTR.

[@khartog01]

Was that a foul beast one shotting an eagle? Are the eagles so weak to be killed so easily?

[@CookedAF2]

And morgoth was nothing compared to tulcas

[@KipIngram]

Thee's a lot of information here, and much good content. But as I listen to it, it sounds like numerous separate "paragraphs" that were written independently of one another and then just slammed together. There's no real "narrative unity." And also the style of presentation is... well, I'm not sure how to phrase it. It's just a firehose of words, with no varying cadence for emphasis on some things above others and so on. it's "monotonous." This made it hard to pick out what your main points where and what was supporting material for those points. I've listened to a lot of Tolkien related content the last few days, and some of the others do seem to be superior in these ways I've just described. On the other hand, your *topic* here was something I hadn't heard anyone else talk about - an elaboration of the *nature of Eru* - that's a very interesting subject, so thank you for covering it.

[@hunden_ein]

The Rings of Power is as far removed from Tolkien's works as one could possibly imagine.

[@nickworrall5617]

Not Terrible Some Pronunciations leave much to be Desired and the idea of Melcor coming back in the 2nd age and in the rings of Power is a bit far fetched.

[@nickworrall5617]

ok i should have waited for the end to comment. WHO THE FUCK THINKS THE ORC IS REFERING TO ERU ??? What the fuck is wrong with you Sauron IS the One Dark Lord and so thats clearly who hes referring too. Sick of Idiots making videos about a topic they lack even a Basic understanding of the writing.

[@vilhelmthomsen1941]

You say: not part of the original plan(/song). As I read it, Melkors discord is "part of the plan". He is not an outsider coming from elsewhere, he is a top class arsehole trying to destroy (the others Valars work), but he ends up measuring cold, heat, depths and hights - he is NOT a creator, he is part of life (the song). Middle Earth was never ment to be Utopia.

[@RegularInternetUsers]

You really need to work on your narration and writing. It felt like it was repeating the same things over and over, and it was rushed and really hard to listen to.

[@tolvfen]

Its great to have a fictive world for this, instead of to use a non-fictive world to have this with?

[@erickyaribsantosdelpradode4482]

the new amazon show has nothing to be with the original story

[@bomsbravo]

These nerds are out of control now 😂😂😂.

[@tyconnolly]

Okay as a Tolkien fan I've really got to point this out this guy takes way too many liberties with the lore one good example is man way summoning a Louis Vuitton that doesn't happen manually doesn't summon a little guitar levitar sees what the men are doing and then chooses to do what he does this video is an atrocity you need to remove so many of the assumptions that you're making on the text these types of things need to be literally an exact interpretation for your wasting everyone's time because it's genuinely just your interpretation the fact is if you read the Bible I imagined you tell people in abbreviated version or even whatever religion you want to try and future reading exactly what the book says with the author says with the author's son says in many reiterations of the text

[@paullebon323]

Gandalf didn't die. Gandalf is just a meat puppet worn by Olórin The Maia. He cannot die.

[@ryancruz1876]

Olórin and Gandalf are just two different names for the same character. Ainur take on raiments called “fanar”, but a particular name isn’t necessary attached to a specific fana.

[@LexusFox]

I disagree that the take is that of Christianity Eru sounds to me like many different spiritual belief systems, the Ometeotl, the Great Spirit, the Universe, the Source, etc. If anything it seems to me like the Christian god is very different to Eru, Eru becomes the “lesser things” in essence sort of like a tree going from roots to leaves, the Christian god doesn’t do that, he’s depicted as being separate and a unique being that no one “goes back into”, to Christians no one can be God but God, and the souls of other creatures are lesser and even in the afterlife they don’t merge with the Christian god. So Idk… I disagree with that take on the explanation, Eru is anything BUT the Christian god.

[@ryancruz1876]

Tolkien explicitly said that Eru is the God of Catholicism. It’s really bizarre that some people are trying so hard to secularize Tolkien.

[@LexusFox]

@@ryancruz1876 I’m not taking a jab at Tolkien, I’m elaborating on why I disagree with the objective description of this concept, the catholic/christian god is hardly being described by Eru. It’s like describing a bear in a different story but the story is clearly talking about a honey badger. You can call it a bear, but it’s not, canonically maybe, since the writer defines his literature but objectively it isn’t.

[@raydavison4288]

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[@dervish108]

I feel that Tolkien was similar to Mister Rogers in that he didn’t want to openly preach his faith but wanted his creative works to reflect what he believed were the best qualities that his faith had to offer.

[@dontchewglass]

That's what I'm hoping to do in some regard. I don't want to write a Christian story, but I also want to be true to my own perspective in my writing

[@toddkurzbard]

FRODO does not destroy the ring. He is "corrupted" by it and claims it for himself. GOLLUM (unintentionally) destroys the ring. Once it is destroyed, its' influence over Frodo disappears.

[@mossfree]

Much incorrect information in this video

[@someguyfromsomewhere]

Are the elves in the universe also called Eldar like in warhammer 40k? Or am I hearing it wrong? It sounds like Eldar. Or maybe he's saying elder

[@King-balloon]

you hear it correct it’s eldar

[@someguyfromsomewhere]

@@King-balloon thanks 😊

[@TheSwiftCreek2]

There are no origins for Iluvatar.

[@artemismoonbow2475]

Christian influence because of his own history? Yes, but in the tradition of the Mystics and not the Institutionalists. The Christian Mystic tradition is profoundly Monistic (Unity of all of existence, Sacred And Profane, Transcendent And Immanent, As above so below, Body is mind is emotion is spirit, etc, etc). The mystics are highly Platonic and Idealistic and closer to Eastern Hindu Philosophies with a Christian accent. The Traditional or Institutional Christian religions are Dualistic, bottom line (Subject is not Object, Sacred is not Profane, Transcendent is not in the Immanent, Body is not Mind, and so on and so forth). It is highly Aristotelian and Realist in bent. There is no overlap between the material and spiritual. Whether Tolkien would frame it this way himself is beyond the point, when reading his works from this prospective, it is obvious. Melkor IS Eru as is Manwe and Varda et al. He could no more wipe out Melkor as a human can not remove their own Will and darker aspects because they serve a purpose.

[@ryancruz1876]

Tolkien explicitly said that Eru is the God of Catholicism and stated that The Lord of the Rings is a “fundamentally Catholic work”.

[@driveramd12]

Are you sure is not you, providing an allegory or inventing your own? Everyone has his religion, even atheist is in a way a “religion” as you go somewhere- to nowhere when you die. I think you are inventing Tolkien masterpiece allegorical analogy of God and religion.

[@ccptube3468]

Fu for putting Cthulhu on thumbnail!

[@thecontainerthecontents6889]

is Tolkien a great author -- yes -- but the entire story is the bible told another way.

[@greenkostia]

Totally wrong. Yes the elves knew of him but so did the numenoreans. Or why would they try to sail to the undying lands. He actually gave them their land!

[@Trygvar13]

He did say that the Numenoreans worshipped Eru Illuvatar... at first.

[@StopFear]

ok so does not make any more sense than the real world religious cosmology

[@shreyvaghela3963]

yes. and theres nothing wrong with it

[@StopFear]

@@shreyvaghela3963 I didn’t imply there was anything wrong with it. I wrote that to emphasize that even in a fantasy setting a philosopher writer like Tolkien still can’t explain the universe but only create something that approximates the real world.

[@supersaiyantayt]

a light and abit wrong history of middle earth lol the one was melkor........

[@lukebaker1998]

Eru illuvatar = cthulu monster.... Strange but kind of like it.